Re: [PLUG] Neo900 (was: handheld data collection)

[Tomas Kuchta]

It was probably mentioned her before - Purism is working on their Librem 5
smartphone. That one should be pretty open and free out of the box.

That is perhaps the easiest and the only free user serving smartphone since
the failed Ubuntu phones.

Check it out at https://puri.sm/

Maybe that is what you are looking for.

Tomas

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 10:30 AM Keith Lofstrom  On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 08:43:23PM -0800, Nat Taylor wrote:
> >  https://neo900.org/
>
> The Neo900 sounds fascinating.  At $550, I don't need
> another timesink, but if this has a good chance to evolve
> into a useful "smart" phone managed by an open source
> community, I might consider joining the crowdfunding
> effort and committing the time to learn to use the
> device when it "goes beta".
>
> I spent a couple of months fiddling with an Android,
> hoping I could jailbreak it into a device that served
> /me/ rather than serving me to Google's paying customers
> (advertisers, NSA, Palantir, etc.).  It was modifying me
> faster than I was modifying it, so I'm back to a
> brickphone for now.
>
> So, I'm /not/ looking for a pseudo-Android, but a window
> into an independent global project dedicated to freedom
> and collaboration, not distraction and consumption.
>
> What are the chances that Neo900 might evolve into this?
> What are the barriers on the way?
>
> Keith
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Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/12/2018 07:29 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:

Here's a dual boot linux/android pda in production.
You might be able to get it without android, or delete android yourself...


Being dual boot deals my objections to Android.


https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/gemini-pda/products/gemini-pda-wifi-only?variant=6314880499739


There was some missing information and a bad link on that page.
I've requested clarification.

Even when buying on line I favor brick-n-mortar companies and have never 
made an international transaction. My future could be interesting ;/


Thanks.





On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:15 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:


On 11/11/2018 10:43 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:

How about the Nokia N900 or the Neo900? https://neo900.org/


Quotes from URL:> This is a crowdfunded project and the device is
currently in development.
&

You can now place down payments to partially fund Neo900 devices and

NeoN boards in our shop!

If it makes it to production before I find something else, it may be
suitable.


I guess they have cellular modems. > The Nokia N770 N800 and N810 all

have no cellular modem.

Evidently no longer in production
[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products#Past_products_and_services
]



You could put a raspberry pi (zero or no) in your own custom case with
touchscreen...


https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/

Lists only discontinued or DIY items.


https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/


Not yet in production.




On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM Richard Owlett 

wrote:



I had seen some about it before or as starting production.
I does not meet my "current production" requirement as
"By March 2018, Next Thing Co. had entered insolvency. Many customers
still had not received their pre-orders."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Thing_Co.#Milestones]

On 11/11/2018 10:36 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:

Did you happen to find the pocketChip in your search?
https://makerprojectlab.com/pocket-chip-review/
https://shop.pocketchip.co/

There is probably plans on thingy for a 3d printed case.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:13 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:



On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:


I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.


  eBay probably has them for sale. I bought backup Treo 700ps and a

Palm

Pilot on eBay because they are so useful (the Palm Pilot is for the

time

all
the Treos die.)

Rich




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[PLUG] Neo900 (was: handheld data collection)

[Keith Lofstrom]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 08:43:23PM -0800, Nat Taylor wrote:
>  https://neo900.org/

The Neo900 sounds fascinating.  At $550, I don't need
another timesink, but if this has a good chance to evolve
into a useful "smart" phone managed by an open source
community, I might consider joining the crowdfunding
effort and committing the time to learn to use the
device when it "goes beta".

I spent a couple of months fiddling with an Android,
hoping I could jailbreak it into a device that served
/me/ rather than serving me to Google's paying customers
(advertisers, NSA, Palantir, etc.).  It was modifying me
faster than I was modifying it, so I'm back to a
brickphone for now.

So, I'm /not/ looking for a pseudo-Android, but a window
into an independent global project dedicated to freedom
and collaboration, not distraction and consumption.

What are the chances that Neo900 might evolve into this?
What are the barriers on the way?

Keith

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Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error

[wes]

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:09 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Rich Shepard wrote:
>
> > Yesterday rsync copied ~/ from the current desktop (salmo) to the new
> > desktop (baetis) using this command from ~/ on the new desktop: rsync -av
> > salmo: .
>
>Today I tried using rsync again rather than ssh. I don't know where to
> look to see the error:
>

You said "rather than ssh" - did you test ssh again after you started
getting this error? What command and parameters do you use to make the ssh
connection?

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Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS

[Nat Taylor]

It's Debian!
https://liliputing.com/2018/01/hands-gemini-pda-handheld-pc-android-linux-6-inch-display.html

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:29 PM Nat Taylor  wrote:

> Here's a dual boot linux/android pda in production.
> You might be able to get it without android, or delete android yourself...
>
> https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/gemini-pda/products/gemini-pda-wifi-only?variant=6314880499739
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:15 AM Richard Owlett 
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2018 10:43 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
>> > How about the Nokia N900 or the Neo900? https://neo900.org/
>>
>> Quotes from URL:> This is a crowdfunded project and the device is
>> currently in development.
>> &
>> > You can now place down payments to partially fund Neo900 devices and
>> NeoN boards in our shop!
>>
>> If it makes it to production before I find something else, it may be
>> suitable.
>>
>> > I guess they have cellular modems. > The Nokia N770 N800 and N810 all
>> have no cellular modem.
>>
>> Evidently no longer in production
>> [
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products#Past_products_and_services
>> ]
>>
>> >
>> > You could put a raspberry pi (zero or no) in your own custom case with
>> > touchscreen...
>> >
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/
>>
>> Lists only discontinued or DIY items.
>>
>> > https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
>>
>> Not yet in production.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM Richard Owlett 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had seen some about it before or as starting production.
>> >> I does not meet my "current production" requirement as
>> >> "By March 2018, Next Thing Co. had entered insolvency. Many customers
>> >> still had not received their pre-orders."
>> >> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Thing_Co.#Milestones]
>> >>
>> >> On 11/11/2018 10:36 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:
>> >>> Did you happen to find the pocketChip in your search?
>> >>> https://makerprojectlab.com/pocket-chip-review/
>> >>> https://shop.pocketchip.co/
>> >>>
>> >>> There is probably plans on thingy for a 3d printed case.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:13 AM Rich Shepard > >> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> 
>> > I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.
>> 
>>   eBay probably has them for sale. I bought backup Treo 700ps and
>> a
>> >> Palm
>>  Pilot on eBay because they are so useful (the Palm Pilot is for the
>> time
>>  all
>>  the Treos die.)
>> 
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Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS

[Nat Taylor]

Here's a dual boot linux/android pda in production.
You might be able to get it without android, or delete android yourself...
https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/gemini-pda/products/gemini-pda-wifi-only?variant=6314880499739

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:15 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 11/11/2018 10:43 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:
> > How about the Nokia N900 or the Neo900? https://neo900.org/
>
> Quotes from URL:> This is a crowdfunded project and the device is
> currently in development.
> &
> > You can now place down payments to partially fund Neo900 devices and
> NeoN boards in our shop!
>
> If it makes it to production before I find something else, it may be
> suitable.
>
> > I guess they have cellular modems. > The Nokia N770 N800 and N810 all
> have no cellular modem.
>
> Evidently no longer in production
> [
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products#Past_products_and_services
> ]
>
> >
> > You could put a raspberry pi (zero or no) in your own custom case with
> > touchscreen...
> >
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/
>
> Lists only discontinued or DIY items.
>
> > https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
>
> Not yet in production.
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM Richard Owlett 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I had seen some about it before or as starting production.
> >> I does not meet my "current production" requirement as
> >> "By March 2018, Next Thing Co. had entered insolvency. Many customers
> >> still had not received their pre-orders."
> >> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Thing_Co.#Milestones]
> >>
> >> On 11/11/2018 10:36 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:
> >>> Did you happen to find the pocketChip in your search?
> >>> https://makerprojectlab.com/pocket-chip-review/
> >>> https://shop.pocketchip.co/
> >>>
> >>> There is probably plans on thingy for a 3d printed case.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:13 AM Rich Shepard  >> wrote:
> >>>
>  On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.
> 
>   eBay probably has them for sale. I bought backup Treo 700ps and a
> >> Palm
>  Pilot on eBay because they are so useful (the Palm Pilot is for the
> time
>  all
>  the Treos die.)
> 
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[PLUG] Thanks for the fun visit....:-)

[J. Hart]

Just wanted to thank everyone for the enjoyable time I had at the PLUG 
meeting on Nov 1.  I think I got more questions on the carnivorous 
plants than I did on the Linux stuff I was working on:-)

I hope to pass through town again one day.

Back to the daily grind of looking for work again. If anyone hears 
of any interesting Linux openings, please let me know.


Regards,

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Re: [PLUG] Paper tape?

[Russell Senior]

Yeah, the reader part is easy to reproduce. It's the punch that's daunting.
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 8:04 AM Bill Barry  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018, 3:28 AM Russell Senior  wrote:
>
> > Anyone have a paper tape punch/reader? Or, know anyone who does?
> >
> >   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched
> > 
>
>
>
> With some backlighting to shine through the holes you could coax your phone
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Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Rich Shepard wrote:


Yesterday rsync copied ~/ from the current desktop (salmo) to the new
desktop (baetis) using this command from ~/ on the new desktop: rsync -av
salmo: .


  Today I tried using rsync again rather than ssh. I don't know where to
look to see the error:

$ rsync -av salmo:/opt/ .
Permission denied (publickey).
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver]
rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(226) [Receiver=3.1.3]

  The rsync version installed on salmo (the receiver, I presume) is version
3.1.3. How would an issue with source code affect the compiled binary
(again, which worked last Saturday)?

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Hard drive: size discrepancy

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Galen Seitz wrote:


If you can, connect the disk via SATA and post the output of this command:
sudo parted /dev/my_disk print


Galen,

  Aha! it's not internally connected. The multibay enclosure has both USB
and SATA connectors; I've been using the USB one. I'll find an external SATA
port (I think the motherboard has one) and use that.

Best regards,

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Re: [PLUG] Hard drive: size discrepancy

[Galen Seitz]

On 11/12/2018 09:45 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Galen Seitz wrote:


The 32 bit limit that was mentioned in an Ubuntu forum relates to some
USB<->SATA converters. Apparently some controllers have internal sector
registers that are only 32 bits.

Number of 512 byte sectors in 3 TB drive
3e12 / 512 = 5.9e9 sectors

Assuming 32 bit wrapping (modulo 2^32)
5.9e9 - 2^32 = 1.6e9 sectors

Drive size after wrapping
1.6e9 * 512 = 801 GB


Galen,

   So the sector size should be increased?


No, you can't change the sector size.  If you have the disk directly 
connected to your system using SATA, I can't explain why you are having 
this problem.


If you can, connect the disk via SATA and post the output of this command:
sudo parted /dev/my_disk print


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Re: [PLUG] Paper tape?

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Bill Barry wrote:


With some backlighting to shine through the holes you could coax your
phone into reading the tape via the camera/video.


  Won't work if there are any hanging chads.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Hard drive: size discrepancy

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Galen Seitz wrote:


The 32 bit limit that was mentioned in an Ubuntu forum relates to some
USB<->SATA converters. Apparently some controllers have internal sector
registers that are only 32 bits.

Number of 512 byte sectors in 3 TB drive
3e12 / 512 = 5.9e9 sectors

Assuming 32 bit wrapping (modulo 2^32)
5.9e9 - 2^32 = 1.6e9 sectors

Drive size after wrapping
1.6e9 * 512 = 801 GB


Galen,

  So the sector size should be increased?

Thanks,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Hard drive: size discrepancy

[Galen Seitz]

On 11/11/2018 05:31 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:

Disks we're not limited to <3 TB on 32b systems. The only limit there ever
was old MS FAT.


The 32 bit limit that was mentioned in an Ubuntu forum relates to some 
USB<->SATA converters.  Apparently some controllers have internal sector 
registers that are only 32 bits.


Number of 512 byte sectors in 3 TB drive
3e12 / 512 = 5.9e9 sectors

Assuming 32 bit wrapping (modulo 2^32)
5.9e9 - 2^32 = 1.6e9 sectors

Drive size after wrapping
1.6e9 * 512 = 801 GB


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Re: [PLUG] Paper tape?

[Bill Barry]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018, 3:28 AM Russell Senior  Anyone have a paper tape punch/reader? Or, know anyone who does?
>
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched
> 



With some backlighting to shine through the holes you could coax your phone
into reading the tape via the camera/video.
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Re: [PLUG] Paper tape?

[Frank Filz]

> Wow,
> That brings back fond memories, model 28 and model 35 Teletype machines
and
> loading DEC machines with paper tape. Then there were the "high speed"
paper
> readers and punches at 1200 baud. Also had to deal with both 5 and 8 level
> codes. Have not seen any of that in ages. Used to have a collection of
model
> 28's and a model 35. Miss that stuff for some strange reason.

Poor kids of today don't get to make a tape of BEL characters, run it
through the reader in the teletype machine in their dad's office, and then
tape it into a loop...

Frank

> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 6:18 PM Russell Senior 
> wrote:
> 
> > 8 would be better
> > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 3:09 PM Neal  wrote:
> > >
> > > 5- or 8- bit?
> > >
> > > NealS
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:28 AM Russell Senior <
> > russ...@personaltelco.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anyone have a paper tape punch/reader? Or, know anyone who does?
> > > >
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Re: [PLUG] Paper tape?

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Chuck Hast wrote:


Wow, That brings back fond memories, model 28 and model 35 Teletype
machines and loading DEC machines with paper tape. Then there were the
"high speed" paper readers and punches at 1200 baud. Also had to deal with
both 5 and 8 level codes. Have not seen any of that in ages. Used to have
a collection of model 28's and a model 35. Miss that stuff for some
strange reason.


  Don't forget the Cauzin strip and reader that was promoted in the early
days of microcomputers as a substitute for floppy disks.

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Re: [PLUG] Hard drive: size discrepancy

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Tomas Kuchta wrote:


Disks we're not limited to <3 TB on 32b systems. The only limit there ever
was old MS FAT.


Tomas,

  Whatever the reason, this one does not want to reveal all its capabilites.
Yet. I checked the Seagate site (as the disk label suggests) and found only
information for Windows users on installation, formatting, and similar
topics. No e-mail contact for non-warranty repair technical support. So,
time to ask on a hardware-related forum (perhaps Tom's Hardware or LQ).

  MS FAT is an appropriate description.

Regards,

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Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/11/2018 10:43 PM, Nat Taylor wrote:

How about the Nokia N900 or the Neo900? https://neo900.org/


Quotes from URL:> This is a crowdfunded project and the device is 
currently in development.

&

You can now place down payments to partially fund Neo900 devices and NeoN 
boards in our shop!


If it makes it to production before I find something else, it may be 
suitable.



I guess they have cellular modems. > The Nokia N770 N800 and N810 all have no 
cellular modem.


Evidently no longer in production 
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products#Past_products_and_services]




You could put a raspberry pi (zero or no) in your own custom case with
touchscreen...
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/


Lists only discontinued or DIY items.


https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/


Not yet in production.




On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:


I had seen some about it before or as starting production.
I does not meet my "current production" requirement as
"By March 2018, Next Thing Co. had entered insolvency. Many customers
still had not received their pre-orders."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Thing_Co.#Milestones]

On 11/11/2018 10:36 AM, Larry Brigman wrote:

Did you happen to find the pocketChip in your search?
https://makerprojectlab.com/pocket-chip-review/
https://shop.pocketchip.co/

There is probably plans on thingy for a 3d printed case.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:13 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:



On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Richard Owlett wrote:


I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.


 eBay probably has them for sale. I bought backup Treo 700ps and a

Palm

Pilot on eBay because they are so useful (the Palm Pilot is for the time
all
the Treos die.)

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