Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Chuck Hast]

I had a similar one to this, I was setting up a NVR on Ubuntu
server. I would put a jump drive in the server and boot off of
it, all of the ethernet ports were visible, But the server install
would not see them. I started looking to see what was missing
ended up going into /etc/netplan/yadayada.yaml whatever name
it gives your .yaml file) and found it was empty I ended up
adding all of the needed bits and pieces and viola! there was
working ethernet ports (I only needed 2 of the 4 on the server
box) after I got the correct drivers in there I still had to add the
port stanzas to the .yaml file.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:34 PM Bill Barry  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:29 PM Michael Barnes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:26 PM Bill Barry  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:19 PM Michael Barnes 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Update. I got a USB-Ethernet adapter and am at least connected for
> now. I
> > > > really want to  use the onboard NIC if possible. I was able to
> install
> > > > pciutils so I can see things.  lspci shows:
> > > > 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125
> > > 2.5GbE
> > > > Controller (rev 04)
> > > >
> > > > so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg,
> but I
> > > am
> > > > not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.
> > >
> > > I have the rev 05 version of that controller. I have been using the
> > > driver from here
> > > https://github.com/heri16/r8125
> > >
> > > Bill Barry
> > > 
> > >
> >
> > I went to that page. Apparently, I am not smart enough to use it.  All I
> > see is the README instructions. I cannot seem to find the tarball on that
> > page.
> >
> > Michael
>
> Click on the green button that says Code and there is a Download Zip link.
> Alternatively there is a link to the right of that for the official
> Realtek website download which is a bit of a maze but should work
> also.
>
> Bill
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Bill Barry]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:29 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:26 PM Bill Barry  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:19 PM Michael Barnes 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Update. I got a USB-Ethernet adapter and am at least connected for now. I
> > > really want to  use the onboard NIC if possible. I was able to install
> > > pciutils so I can see things.  lspci shows:
> > > 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125
> > 2.5GbE
> > > Controller (rev 04)
> > >
> > > so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg, but I
> > am
> > > not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.
> >
> > I have the rev 05 version of that controller. I have been using the
> > driver from here
> > https://github.com/heri16/r8125
> >
> > Bill Barry
> > 
> >
>
> I went to that page. Apparently, I am not smart enough to use it.  All I
> see is the README instructions. I cannot seem to find the tarball on that
> page.
>
> Michael

Click on the green button that says Code and there is a Download Zip link.
Alternatively there is a link to the right of that for the official
Realtek website download which is a bit of a maze but should work
also.

Bill
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Michael Barnes]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:26 PM Bill Barry  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:19 PM Michael Barnes 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Update. I got a USB-Ethernet adapter and am at least connected for now. I
> > really want to  use the onboard NIC if possible. I was able to install
> > pciutils so I can see things.  lspci shows:
> > 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125
> 2.5GbE
> > Controller (rev 04)
> >
> > so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg, but I
> am
> > not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.
>
> I have the rev 05 version of that controller. I have been using the
> driver from here
> https://github.com/heri16/r8125
>
> Bill Barry
> 
>

I went to that page. Apparently, I am not smart enough to use it.  All I
see is the README instructions. I cannot seem to find the tarball on that
page.

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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[TomasK]

On Tue, 2020-12-15 at 12:19 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, 2020-12-11 at 16:53 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > > > > > > Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a
> > > > > > > > Biostar
> > 
> > B550GTA
> > > > > > > > Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went
> > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug
> > > > > > > > in the
> > 
> > Ethernet
> > > > > > > > cable
> > > > > > > > and get a good light on the switch and a blinking
> > > > > > > > yellow light
> > 
> > on the
> > > > > > > > jack
> > > > > > > > in the computer. Cable verified good.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run
> > > > > > > > the
> > 
> > network
> > > > > > > > utility
> > > > > > > > nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few
> > > > > > > > years, so
> > 
> > I have
> > > > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the
> > > > > > > > Motherboard
> > 
> > setup
> > > > > > > > and find
> > > > > > > > nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > 
> 
> Update. I got a USB-Ethernet adapter and am at least connected for
> now. I
> really want to  use the onboard NIC if possible. I was able to
> install
> pciutils so I can see things.  lspci shows:
> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125
> 2.5GbE
> Controller (rev 04)
> 
> so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg, but
> I am
> not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.
> 

Did you also install and configured new-er kernel (5.3+) to be able to
use (not just see) the device?

-T

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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[David Bridges]

> 
> Update. I got a USB-Ethernet adapter and am at least connected for
> now. I
> really want to  use the onboard NIC if possible. I was able to
> install
> pciutils so I can see things.  lspci shows:
> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125
> 2.5GbE
> Controller (rev 04)
> 
> so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg, but
> I am
> not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.

I have the rev 05 version of that controller. I have been using the
driver from here
https://github.com/heri16/r8125

Perhaps looking over the pages at
https://forums.centos.org/viewtopic.php?t=75891=319289 or more
specifically 
https://centos.pkgs.org/7/elrepo-x86_64/kmod-r8125-9.003.05-1.el7_8.elrepo.x86_64.rpm.html
will help you get this going as long as you don't mind using a third
party repository on the system.

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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 15 Dec 2020, Michael Barnes wrote:


so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg, but I am
not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.


Michael,

What does 'ifconfig -a' show you?

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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Bill Barry]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:19 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:

>
> Update. I got a USB-Ethernet adapter and am at least connected for now. I
> really want to  use the onboard NIC if possible. I was able to install
> pciutils so I can see things.  lspci shows:
> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125 2.5GbE
> Controller (rev 04)
>
> so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg, but I am
> not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.

I have the rev 05 version of that controller. I have been using the
driver from here
https://github.com/heri16/r8125

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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Michael Barnes]

> > > > > On Fri, 2020-12-11 at 16:53 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > > > > > Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar
> B550GTA
> > > > > > > Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the
> Ethernet
> > > > > > > cable
> > > > > > > and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light
> on the
> > > > > > > jack
> > > > > > > in the computer. Cable verified good.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the
> network
> > > > > > > utility
> > > > > > > nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so
> I have
> > > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard
> setup
> > > > > > > and find
> > > > > > > nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>

Update. I got a USB-Ethernet adapter and am at least connected for now. I
really want to  use the onboard NIC if possible. I was able to install
pciutils so I can see things.  lspci shows:
06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125 2.5GbE
Controller (rev 04)

so at least it is being seen. I find no reference to it in dmesg, but I am
not a dmesg guru, so I don't know if it should show up there.
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Russell Senior]

The specs for your board says the on-board NIC is an RTL8125, The
driver was merged into the kernel about a year ago:

commit 087f5b8758ae9f1b1968bc469bb3f5fae53e639b
Author: Heiner Kallweit 
Date:   Fri Aug 9 20:45:14 2019 +0200

net: phy: realtek: add support for the 2.5Gbps PHY in RTL8125

This adds support for the integrated 2.5Gbps PHY in Realtek RTL8125.
Advertisement of 2.5Gbps mode is done via a vendor-specific register.
Same applies to reading NBase-T link partner advertisement.
Unfortunately this 2.5Gbps PHY shares the PHY ID with the integrated
1Gbps PHY's in other Realtek network chips and so far no method is
known to differentiate them. As a workaround use a dedicated fake PHY ID
that is set by the network driver by intercepting the MDIO PHY ID read.

v2:
- Create dedicated PHY driver and use a fake PHY ID that is injected by
  the network driver. Suggested by Andrew Lunn.

Signed-off-by: Heiner Kallweit 
Reviewed-by: Andrew Lunn 
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller 


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:48 PM Russell Senior
 wrote:
>
> Even a USB-ethernet dongle will get you going. A USB3 dongle can do
> gigabit pretty easily.
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:43 PM Russell Senior
>  wrote:
> >
> > Can you install another NIC that is supported?
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:39 PM Michael Barnes  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 5:37 PM TomasK  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > CentOS 7 is pretty old (predates it by years) for your hardware - you
> > > > need kernel 5.3 or newer for this to work properly.
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if you can get this new kernel from CentOS 7
> > > > repositories. If you are used to CentOS - try CentOS stream or Fedora
> > > > with newer kernel.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps,
> > > > Tomas
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2020-12-11 at 16:53 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > > > Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar B550GTA
> > > > > Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the Ethernet
> > > > > cable
> > > > > and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light on the
> > > > > jack
> > > > > in the computer. Cable verified good.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the network
> > > > > utility
> > > > > nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so I have
> > > > > likely
> > > > > forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard setup
> > > > > and find
> > > > > nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > First, the computer I had was too old. Now, it is too new. I have to use
> > > CentOS7 for the application I am running, which uses qt4. CentOS8 only has
> > > qt5, which is not backwards compatible. And, so far, everything I have 
> > > seen
> > > says because CentOS Stream is based on pre-release RHEL, it is not ready
> > > for production use. Looks like I'm getting caught between a rock and a 
> > > hard
> > > place.
> > >
> > > I wanted to see what it said about the nic, so I ran lspci and got 
> > > "command
> > > not found". I guess I need to install pciutils, which is on the
> > > installation DVD, but I don't know how to install it from that. Only have
> > > the command line at this time.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Russell Senior]

Even a USB-ethernet dongle will get you going. A USB3 dongle can do
gigabit pretty easily.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:43 PM Russell Senior
 wrote:
>
> Can you install another NIC that is supported?
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:39 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 5:37 PM TomasK  wrote:
> >
> > > CentOS 7 is pretty old (predates it by years) for your hardware - you
> > > need kernel 5.3 or newer for this to work properly.
> > >
> > > I am not sure if you can get this new kernel from CentOS 7
> > > repositories. If you are used to CentOS - try CentOS stream or Fedora
> > > with newer kernel.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps,
> > > Tomas
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2020-12-11 at 16:53 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > > Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar B550GTA
> > > > Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.
> > > >
> > > > Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the Ethernet
> > > > cable
> > > > and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light on the
> > > > jack
> > > > in the computer. Cable verified good.
> > > >
> > > > If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the network
> > > > utility
> > > > nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so I have
> > > > likely
> > > > forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard setup
> > > > and find
> > > > nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > First, the computer I had was too old. Now, it is too new. I have to use
> > CentOS7 for the application I am running, which uses qt4. CentOS8 only has
> > qt5, which is not backwards compatible. And, so far, everything I have seen
> > says because CentOS Stream is based on pre-release RHEL, it is not ready
> > for production use. Looks like I'm getting caught between a rock and a hard
> > place.
> >
> > I wanted to see what it said about the nic, so I ran lspci and got "command
> > not found". I guess I need to install pciutils, which is on the
> > installation DVD, but I don't know how to install it from that. Only have
> > the command line at this time.
> >
> > Michael
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Bill Barry]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:39 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:

> First, the computer I had was too old. Now, it is too new. I have to use
> CentOS7 for the application I am running, which uses qt4. CentOS8 only has
> qt5, which is not backwards compatible. And, so far, everything I have seen
> says because CentOS Stream is based on pre-release RHEL, it is not ready
> for production use. Looks like I'm getting caught between a rock and a hard
> place.
>
> I wanted to see what it said about the nic, so I ran lspci and got "command
> not found". I guess I need to install pciutils, which is on the
> installation DVD, but I don't know how to install it from that. Only have
> the command line at this time.
>
> Michael

How about installing CentOS7 in a virtual machine and putting a more
up to date OS on the hardware.

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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Russell Senior]

Can you install another NIC that is supported?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:39 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 5:37 PM TomasK  wrote:
>
> > CentOS 7 is pretty old (predates it by years) for your hardware - you
> > need kernel 5.3 or newer for this to work properly.
> >
> > I am not sure if you can get this new kernel from CentOS 7
> > repositories. If you are used to CentOS - try CentOS stream or Fedora
> > with newer kernel.
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> > Tomas
> >
> > On Fri, 2020-12-11 at 16:53 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar B550GTA
> > > Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.
> > >
> > > Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the Ethernet
> > > cable
> > > and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light on the
> > > jack
> > > in the computer. Cable verified good.
> > >
> > > If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the network
> > > utility
> > > nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
> > >
> > > I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so I have
> > > likely
> > > forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard setup
> > > and find
> > > nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Michael
> > >
> >
>
> First, the computer I had was too old. Now, it is too new. I have to use
> CentOS7 for the application I am running, which uses qt4. CentOS8 only has
> qt5, which is not backwards compatible. And, so far, everything I have seen
> says because CentOS Stream is based on pre-release RHEL, it is not ready
> for production use. Looks like I'm getting caught between a rock and a hard
> place.
>
> I wanted to see what it said about the nic, so I ran lspci and got "command
> not found". I guess I need to install pciutils, which is on the
> installation DVD, but I don't know how to install it from that. Only have
> the command line at this time.
>
> Michael
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Michael Barnes]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 5:37 PM TomasK  wrote:

> CentOS 7 is pretty old (predates it by years) for your hardware - you
> need kernel 5.3 or newer for this to work properly.
>
> I am not sure if you can get this new kernel from CentOS 7
> repositories. If you are used to CentOS - try CentOS stream or Fedora
> with newer kernel.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Tomas
>
> On Fri, 2020-12-11 at 16:53 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar B550GTA
> > Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.
> >
> > Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the Ethernet
> > cable
> > and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light on the
> > jack
> > in the computer. Cable verified good.
> >
> > If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the network
> > utility
> > nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
> >
> > I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so I have
> > likely
> > forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard setup
> > and find
> > nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael
> >
>

First, the computer I had was too old. Now, it is too new. I have to use
CentOS7 for the application I am running, which uses qt4. CentOS8 only has
qt5, which is not backwards compatible. And, so far, everything I have seen
says because CentOS Stream is based on pre-release RHEL, it is not ready
for production use. Looks like I'm getting caught between a rock and a hard
place.

I wanted to see what it said about the nic, so I ran lspci and got "command
not found". I guess I need to install pciutils, which is on the
installation DVD, but I don't know how to install it from that. Only have
the command line at this time.

Michael
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[TomasK]

CentOS 7 is pretty old (predates it by years) for your hardware - you
need kernel 5.3 or newer for this to work properly.

I am not sure if you can get this new kernel from CentOS 7
repositories. If you are used to CentOS - try CentOS stream or Fedora
with newer kernel.

Hope that helps,
Tomas

On Fri, 2020-12-11 at 16:53 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar B550GTA
> Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.
> 
> Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the Ethernet
> cable
> and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light on the
> jack
> in the computer. Cable verified good.
> 
> If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the network
> utility
> nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
> 
> I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so I have
> likely
> forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard setup
> and find
> nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Michael
> 
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Re: [PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Russell Senior]

dmesg might give some clues. You might be missing a firmware for the
NIC. I recall running into that on a server with some weird Broadcom
NICs.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:53 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:
>
> Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar B550GTA
> Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.
>
> Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the Ethernet cable
> and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light on the jack
> in the computer. Cable verified good.
>
> If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the network utility
> nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.
>
> I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so I have likely
> forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard setup and find
> nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
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[PLUG] New Computer - No Ethernet

[Michael Barnes]

Just got a new computer a friend built. It is using a Biostar B550GTA
Motherboard. I installed CentOS 7 in it, which went well.

Problem is, I cannot get a network connection. I plug in the Ethernet cable
and get a good light on the switch and a blinking yellow light on the jack
in the computer. Cable verified good.

If I do an 'ip a' it only shows io, no eth0. If I run the network utility
nmtui, it does not show any Ethernet devices.

I haven't worked on machines at this level in a few years, so I have likely
forgotten all the obvious stuff. I went into the Motherboard setup and find
nothing regarding enable/disable onboard Ethernet.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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[PLUG] New computer is running!

[John Jason Jordan]

It took about three hours t copy /home from my old computer to the new
one, and then a couple hours fixing boot problems. The old
computer had / and /home defined in fstab by LABEL=Boot and LABEL=Home,
plus several external drives. I anticipated this would be a problem, so
I used a Knoppix USB stick to # the external drives, and changed 'Boot'
to 'Root,' because that is the label that I used on the new
partition. But it still wouldn't boot. It took a while to figure out
that it wasn't finding /home and /, but when I eventually realized what
was happening I changed them to /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2, but
still no joy. Then I tried /dev/nvme1 and /dev/nvme2, and when they also
failed I was ready to tear my hair out. Finally I used UUIDs, and then I
heaved a sigh of relief when the familiar Xubuntu login screen
appeared. And here I am, typing my first e-mail on this shiny new
Thinkpad.

Side note: In the process I discovered that Ctrl-Alt-t does not open a
terminal window in Knoppix.

There are still some things to fix - font sizes are first on my list.
The old monitor was 1920x1080 and the new one is 3840x2160 UHD. I was
amazed that Xubuntu finally delivered the right resolution - there were
quite a few error messages about NVIDIA, due probably to different
drivers.

In the process I used a live Grub Boot Repair ISO, and I'm happy to say
that my 'Error: No symbol table' messages are gone.

Many, many thanks to all who helped with moving my Xubuntu 18.04 to the
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Keith Lofstrom]

John's shiny new computer may contain marginal components
that are unable to play together.  

This happens, and happens more often as complexity and
performance go up, and hardware quality asymptotes towards
the minimum acceptable (which means that some fraction of
production output fails).  Wherever there is an engineer
designing systems for improved performance and quality,
there is a bean counter using those new techniques to
turn the dial back towards "just barely worth buying". 
Then hide the defects with advertising and social media.

So, one (or more) of John's components may be defective; 
I would bring the system up in a location where there
are multiple components to swap in and out (including
power supplies, keyboards, cables, and other "simple"
stuff), and build upwards from a bare minimum (VGA and
small boot drive) towards the full system, and learn
which additional component breaks it.

Of course, Linux may be that "additional component",
because it uses the hardware somewhat differently than
Windoze.  Windoze sometimes has little built-in tweaks for
buggy hardware that Linux does not.  I've run into both,
over the years.  As always, search many Linux forums for
others using the same hardware, successfully or not.

Specifications do not enforce themselves, and commodity
motherboard and peripheral manufacturers won't remove
bugs from their hardware if Windoze (with patches) can
run on it, even if Linux cannot.

Me, I'd delay investment in new hardware until new CPUs
with fixes for Meltdown and Spectre become available.
That, plus the fixes for the fixes, will take a while.

Keith

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 01:34:12 -0800
Tomas K  dijo:

>For what it is wort it 42.2 will not boot your new HW, you either
>install 42.3 or do not waste your time. I know, I have tried that on
>the same CPU and chipset before.

OK, it booted!

To accomplish this I unplugged all SATA data cables from the
motherboard except the one for the SSD. After seeing OpenSUSE boot with
them all unplugged I plugged them back in and rebooted, one device at a
time, starting (1) with the funny USB device (making sure I was looking
at it sideways), then (2) the WD drive, then (3) the brand new DVD
drive, and finally (4) the Blu-ray drive. Results

(1) No problem with the funny USB device
(2) No problem with the WD drive, except a really long boot time 
(3) OS hangs
(4) OS hangs

So what is it with the optical drives? 

OK, problem solved. As all of us who have worked with this motherboard
know, many things are not labeled, and when they are labeled they are
often wrong, and at least strange. So it is with the SATA connectors.

There are two SATA-Express connectors, one of which is in use for the
funny USB device. The manual shows ten additional connectors but, in
fact, there are only six additional connectors. They are in two banks
of three and they are labeled:

3_0 3_2
3_1 3_3
3_4 3_5

I had connected the SSD to 3_0 and the WD to 3_3 because anything else
increases boot time dramatically. That left four unused, so I plugged
the optical drives (one at a time) into each one of the four, but it
would always hang. Then, struck by inspiration, I noted that the
SATA-Express connectors each had two SATA connectors, and only one
connector was in use for the funny USB device, so I plugged the optical
drives into the two SATA connectors for the other SATA-Express
connector. Voilà!

Now I'm off to see how badly I can screw up installing Xubuntu 17.10.1.

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Tomas K]

For what it is wort it 42.2 will not boot your new HW, you either
install 42.3 or do not waste your time. I know, I have tried that on
the same CPU and chipset before.

I am not trying to start any flame wars, I just do not know much about
this deep into Ubuntu - 42.3 has backported your CPU and chipset
features - that is probably why it booted, installed and worked while
the other distros, do not out of the box.

At this point, I would just try to replicate what we did and what
worked - and that was opensuse 42.3. Opensuse works regardless of the
secure boot enabled/disabled as it is properly signed by MS, so UEFI
trusts it.

Anyway, good luck, time to start a log book, so that you can remember
what you tried and how.

Tomas

On Tue, 2018-02-20 at 22:36 -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:37:29 -0800
> Tomas  dijo:
> 
> > 
> > If this is still relevant, unresolved, understanding you Ubuntu or
> > whatever the distro you want as requirement.
> 
> Still unresolved. Ultimately I want Xubuntu 18.04, but since it is
> not
> released yet my current plan is to install 17.10 and then do a
> dist-upgrade in a couple months. But right now I just want to get
> *something* that will boot.
> 
> The OpenSUSE that you installed will not boot. It starts, and then
> hangs. I burned the ISO to a DVD and tried to use it to reinstall. It
> got as far as 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > OpenSUSE Leap 42.2 installation programv5.0.87
> starting udev...
> And then it hangs.
> For the version you installed there are other options, including a
> recovery mode. I tried it but it hung on:
> 32.9125001 ata10.00: status: { DRDY }
> 32.9125091 ata10: hard resetting link
> 
> I have also tried Xubuntu 17.10, 17.04, 16.04, and they all hang.
> 
> I tried Knoppix 7.7 and it starts, but then hangs on 'Starting
> dbus...'
> 
> > 
> > Try to walk through this list in order:
> > 1. Is your bios up to date? If not, update it first.
> >    That often helps with new shiny things PC.
> 
> The BIOS has a flash utility that will go out to the internet and
> flash
> the BIOS. I used it and t finished saying '"The BIOS is up to date."
> But it made no difference, still can't get anything to boot.
> 
> > 
> > 2. Unless you have done something to the bios settings, boot
> >    priorities or started another installation, you should be
> >    able to get the openSuse installation going.
> 
> It hangs. See above comment.
> 
> > 
> >    - I would walk back the bios changes you might have made
> >    and get that going for piece of mind and to become familiar
> >    with the bios settings - particularly related to UEFI and
> >    various legacy settings.
> >    It is not given that disabling UEFI makes magically things work.
> >    These days UEFI is more reliable than disabling it because
> >    MS Win needs it, and needs it in locked down state.
> >    - UEFI typically depends on number of bios settings - and often
> >    the PC does not boot until the only combination is right.
> >    - You can always use the "Reset CMOS" jumper to set BIOS to
> >    defaults, if there is no Bios way resetting it to defaults.
> 
> This computer will never boot any version of Windows, so that is
> irrelevant.  
> Your comment about resetting the BIOS is something I had not yet
> tried,
> so just now I did it. And I know it was successful because I got a
> different start screen. But I still can't get anything to boot.
> 
> > 
> > 3. Another thing is to try, after you are back to default bios
> >    settings would be to choose the SSD as boot in the boot menu
> > (F11).
> >    Bios sometimes sets the last used boot device as default for
> >    the next boot.
> 
> This BIOS has an option to get the list of drives and what is on them
> by pressing F11 when it boots. I can select either optical drive or
> the
> SSD, and the SSD shows OpenSUSE twice - once as 'secure boot' and the
> other blank. No matter, neither will boot. If there is a bootable USB
> stick that will also appear in the list. 
> 
> > 
> > 4. Failing all the above, try to make yourself opensuse 42.3 usb
> > boot
> >    stick. It just worked, so the chances are that it will just work
> >    again. It would not achieve your favorite distro setup, but it
> >    could take you to the right track and turn the brick to useful
> >    device until you have new Ubuntu in a few months.
> 
> I already tried that, except I burned it to a DVD because I'm running
> out of USB sticks. And I used 42.2 because I already had it
> downloaded.
> It hangs like everything else.
> 
> There is a glimmer of hope: You installed Leap 42.3, so it must have
> booted from your USB stick. As far as I know that is the only time
> when
> any distro has actually booted. Somehow I need to get back to the
> state
> it was in when you did that, but clearing the CMOS didn't do it. 
> 
> It's my bedtime. Maybe in the morning I'll think of something else.
> In
> the meantime, thanks for the 

Re: [PLUG] New computer

[wes]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:36 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> For the version you installed there are other options, including a
> recovery mode. I tried it but it hung on:
> 32.9125001 ata10.00: status: { DRDY }
> 32.9125091 ata10: hard resetting link
>

"ata" implies storage device, aka hard drive. try booting a USB or DVD with
all storage devices disconnected. I'm more than a little suspicious of that
USB3 attachment doohickey that connects to your SATA ports.. I was
already giving it the side-eye when the team was looking for how to hook it
up.


>   It is not given that disabling UEFI makes magically things work.
> >   These days UEFI is more reliable than disabling it because
> >   MS Win needs it, and needs it in locked down state.
> >   - UEFI typically depends on number of bios settings - and often
> >   the PC does not boot until the only combination is right.
> >   - You can always use the "Reset CMOS" jumper to set BIOS to
> >   defaults, if there is no Bios way resetting it to defaults.
>
> This computer will never boot any version of Windows, so that is
> irrelevant.
>

Never running Windows does not necessarily make UEFI irrelevant. In the
future UEFI will be the only option; in some cases, the future is now. I
don't know if that includes your particular case or not, but don't write it
off yet.

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Jason Barnett]

Try the DVD again, now that you have reset the BIOS.


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:36 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:37:29 -0800
> Tomas  dijo:
>
> >If this is still relevant, unresolved, understanding you Ubuntu or
> >whatever the distro you want as requirement.
>
> Still unresolved. Ultimately I want Xubuntu 18.04, but since it is not
> released yet my current plan is to install 17.10 and then do a
> dist-upgrade in a couple months. But right now I just want to get
> *something* that will boot.
>
> The OpenSUSE that you installed will not boot. It starts, and then
> hangs. I burned the ISO to a DVD and tried to use it to reinstall. It
> got as far as
> >>>OpenSUSE Leap 42.2 installation programv5.0.87
> starting udev...
> And then it hangs.
> For the version you installed there are other options, including a
> recovery mode. I tried it but it hung on:
> 32.9125001 ata10.00: status: { DRDY }
> 32.9125091 ata10: hard resetting link
>
> I have also tried Xubuntu 17.10, 17.04, 16.04, and they all hang.
>
> I tried Knoppix 7.7 and it starts, but then hangs on 'Starting dbus...'
>
> >Try to walk through this list in order:
> >1. Is your bios up to date? If not, update it first.
> >   That often helps with new shiny things PC.
>
> The BIOS has a flash utility that will go out to the internet and flash
> the BIOS. I used it and t finished saying '"The BIOS is up to date."
> But it made no difference, still can't get anything to boot.
>
> >2. Unless you have done something to the bios settings, boot
> >   priorities or started another installation, you should be
> >   able to get the openSuse installation going.
>
> It hangs. See above comment.
>
> >   - I would walk back the bios changes you might have made
> >   and get that going for piece of mind and to become familiar
> >   with the bios settings - particularly related to UEFI and
> >   various legacy settings.
> >   It is not given that disabling UEFI makes magically things work.
> >   These days UEFI is more reliable than disabling it because
> >   MS Win needs it, and needs it in locked down state.
> >   - UEFI typically depends on number of bios settings - and often
> >   the PC does not boot until the only combination is right.
> >   - You can always use the "Reset CMOS" jumper to set BIOS to
> >   defaults, if there is no Bios way resetting it to defaults.
>
> This computer will never boot any version of Windows, so that is
> irrelevant.
> Your comment about resetting the BIOS is something I had not yet tried,
> so just now I did it. And I know it was successful because I got a
> different start screen. But I still can't get anything to boot.
>
> >3. Another thing is to try, after you are back to default bios
> >   settings would be to choose the SSD as boot in the boot menu (F11).
> >   Bios sometimes sets the last used boot device as default for
> >   the next boot.
>
> This BIOS has an option to get the list of drives and what is on them
> by pressing F11 when it boots. I can select either optical drive or the
> SSD, and the SSD shows OpenSUSE twice - once as 'secure boot' and the
> other blank. No matter, neither will boot. If there is a bootable USB
> stick that will also appear in the list.
>
> >4. Failing all the above, try to make yourself opensuse 42.3 usb boot
> >   stick. It just worked, so the chances are that it will just work
> >   again. It would not achieve your favorite distro setup, but it
> >   could take you to the right track and turn the brick to useful
> >   device until you have new Ubuntu in a few months.
>
> I already tried that, except I burned it to a DVD because I'm running
> out of USB sticks. And I used 42.2 because I already had it downloaded.
> It hangs like everything else.
>
> There is a glimmer of hope: You installed Leap 42.3, so it must have
> booted from your USB stick. As far as I know that is the only time when
> any distro has actually booted. Somehow I need to get back to the state
> it was in when you did that, but clearing the CMOS didn't do it.
>
> It's my bedtime. Maybe in the morning I'll think of something else. In
> the meantime, thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:37:29 -0800
Tomas  dijo:

>If this is still relevant, unresolved, understanding you Ubuntu or
>whatever the distro you want as requirement.

Still unresolved. Ultimately I want Xubuntu 18.04, but since it is not
released yet my current plan is to install 17.10 and then do a
dist-upgrade in a couple months. But right now I just want to get
*something* that will boot.

The OpenSUSE that you installed will not boot. It starts, and then
hangs. I burned the ISO to a DVD and tried to use it to reinstall. It
got as far as 
>>>OpenSUSE Leap 42.2 installation programv5.0.87
starting udev...
And then it hangs.
For the version you installed there are other options, including a
recovery mode. I tried it but it hung on:
32.9125001 ata10.00: status: { DRDY }
32.9125091 ata10: hard resetting link

I have also tried Xubuntu 17.10, 17.04, 16.04, and they all hang.

I tried Knoppix 7.7 and it starts, but then hangs on 'Starting dbus...'

>Try to walk through this list in order:
>1. Is your bios up to date? If not, update it first.
>   That often helps with new shiny things PC.

The BIOS has a flash utility that will go out to the internet and flash
the BIOS. I used it and t finished saying '"The BIOS is up to date."
But it made no difference, still can't get anything to boot.

>2. Unless you have done something to the bios settings, boot
>   priorities or started another installation, you should be
>   able to get the openSuse installation going.

It hangs. See above comment.

>   - I would walk back the bios changes you might have made
>   and get that going for piece of mind and to become familiar
>   with the bios settings - particularly related to UEFI and
>   various legacy settings.
>   It is not given that disabling UEFI makes magically things work.
>   These days UEFI is more reliable than disabling it because
>   MS Win needs it, and needs it in locked down state.
>   - UEFI typically depends on number of bios settings - and often
>   the PC does not boot until the only combination is right.
>   - You can always use the "Reset CMOS" jumper to set BIOS to
>   defaults, if there is no Bios way resetting it to defaults.

This computer will never boot any version of Windows, so that is
irrelevant.  
Your comment about resetting the BIOS is something I had not yet tried,
so just now I did it. And I know it was successful because I got a
different start screen. But I still can't get anything to boot.

>3. Another thing is to try, after you are back to default bios
>   settings would be to choose the SSD as boot in the boot menu (F11).
>   Bios sometimes sets the last used boot device as default for
>   the next boot.

This BIOS has an option to get the list of drives and what is on them
by pressing F11 when it boots. I can select either optical drive or the
SSD, and the SSD shows OpenSUSE twice - once as 'secure boot' and the
other blank. No matter, neither will boot. If there is a bootable USB
stick that will also appear in the list. 

>4. Failing all the above, try to make yourself opensuse 42.3 usb boot
>   stick. It just worked, so the chances are that it will just work
>   again. It would not achieve your favorite distro setup, but it
>   could take you to the right track and turn the brick to useful
>   device until you have new Ubuntu in a few months.

I already tried that, except I burned it to a DVD because I'm running
out of USB sticks. And I used 42.2 because I already had it downloaded.
It hangs like everything else.

There is a glimmer of hope: You installed Leap 42.3, so it must have
booted from your USB stick. As far as I know that is the only time when
any distro has actually booted. Somehow I need to get back to the state
it was in when you did that, but clearing the CMOS didn't do it. 

It's my bedtime. Maybe in the morning I'll think of something else. In
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Tomas]

Hi John,

If this is still relevant, unresolved, understanding you Ubuntu or
whatever the distro you want as requirement.

Try to walk through this list in order:
1. Is your bios up to date? If not, update it first.
   That often helps with new shiny things PC.
2. Unless you have done something to the bios settings, boot
   priorities or started another installation, you should be
   able to get the openSuse installation going.
   - I would walk back the bios changes you might have made
   and get that going for piece of mind and to become familiar
   with the bios settings - particularly related to UEFI and
   various legacy settings.
   It is not given that disabling UEFI makes magically things work.
   These days UEFI is more reliable than disabling it because
   MS Win needs it, and needs it in locked down state.
   - UEFI typically depends on number of bios settings - and often
   the PC does not boot until the only combination is right.
   - You can always use the "Reset CMOS" jumper to set BIOS to
   defaults, if there is no Bios way resetting it to defaults.
3. Another thing is to try, after you are back to default bios
   settings would be to choose the SSD as boot in the boot menu (F11).
   Bios sometimes sets the last used boot device as default for
   the next boot.
4. Failing all the above, try to make yourself opensuse 42.3 usb boot
   stick. It just worked, so the chances are that it will just work
   again. It would not achieve your favorite distro setup, but it
   could take you to the right track and turn the brick to useful
   device until you have new Ubuntu in a few months.

Hope you get it going,
Tomas

On Mon, 2018-02-19 at 22:28 -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:51:49 -0800
> Russell Senior  dijo:
> 
> I tried several different USB ports and I also burned it to a DVD,
> and
> it always hangs. The OS that I'm trying to install is Xubuntu
> 17.10.1.
> At the Clinic Tomas installed OpenSuse to the hard disk, and it hangs
> if I try to boot it.
> 
> Here are the error messages from Xubuntu (hand
> copied):
> 
> [0.00] [Frmware Bug]:TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata:
>   Please update microcode to version: 0x52 (or later)
> [6.660695] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] No caching mode page found
> [6.660709] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
> [35.866524] ata8.00: exception Emask 0x52 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x
>   action 0xe frozen
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Russell Senior]

Have you been able to try switching from UEFI to legacy boot?

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:58 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:38:55 -0800
> Russell Senior  dijo:
>
>>Try a different live-image.  Even 17.04.x (you can always dist-upgrade
>>if you want).
>
> Good idea. But it didn't make any difference. I tried 17.04 and it gave
> me exactly the same error messages, exactly, to the letter. :(
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:38:55 -0800
Russell Senior  dijo:

>Try a different live-image.  Even 17.04.x (you can always dist-upgrade
>if you want).

Good idea. But it didn't make any difference. I tried 17.04 and it gave
me exactly the same error messages, exactly, to the letter. :(
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:51:49 -0800
Russell Senior  dijo:

I tried several different USB ports and I also burned it to a DVD, and
it always hangs. The OS that I'm trying to install is Xubuntu 17.10.1.
At the Clinic Tomas installed OpenSuse to the hard disk, and it hangs
if I try to boot it.

Here are the error messages from Xubuntu (hand copied):

[0.00] [Frmware Bug]:TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata:
Please update microcode to version: 0x52 (or later)
[6.660695] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] No caching mode page found
[6.660709] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[35.866524] ata8.00: exception Emask 0x52 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x
action 0xe frozen

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

Happy happy! I don't need a new monitor!

I finally broke down and went to Fry's where I got an HDMI > DVI
adapter. I plugged it into the monitor's DVI connector and then used my
HDMI cable to connect it to the motherboard's HDMI output. When I
booted the computer it came up with OpenSuse that Tomas had installed
while we had it on the TV at Free Geek. (OpenSuse hangs and won't
finish booting, but I'm going to replace it anyway.)

Once the monitor gets what it thinks is a DVI signal the Menu button
works - that is, it sort of works because I can't find the option to
change the input from DVI to HDMI. But at least the monitor is not
hopelessly broken, as I feared before.

Now I need to get it to boot to a USB stick, but it insists on trying
to boot OpenSuse. According to the motherboard manual it's an AMI BIOS,
but I can't get into it. Every magic key that I tried fails to bring up
the BIOS. And the motherboard manual fails to state what the key is. At
the Clinic Tomas mentioned that the motherboard manual sucks. He was
right.
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Johnathan Mantey]

That doesn't say what was on the other end of the HDMI cable at the monitor
side.  It could have been attached to VGA for all we know, even if that is
unlikely.  It does at least prove the new computer has a functioning HDMI
output.  This implies the monitor may not have auto-detection of the active
video input.  This reinforces the suggestion to use the configuration UI on
the monitor to activate the HDMI input as the primary input.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Tomas Kuchta  wrote:

> We connected to the TV at FreeGeek through it's existing HDMI cable. It all
> worked fine, without any kind of trouble.
>
> Every recent enough TV probably has HDMI these days.
>
> I prefer Display Port over HDMI. It has historically been trouble free
> experience. Though my bad taste for DVI and HDMI is probably skewed by
> using higher resolution high gamut photographic screens. It probably makes
> no difference to ordinary screens these days.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Feb 19, 2018 9:49 AM, "Michael Rasmussen"  wrote:
>
> On 2018-02-19 09:26, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
> > Rich Shepard  dijo:
> >
> >   Did the video work at the clinic?
> >>
> >
> > Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
> > the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
> > connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
> > but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
> > motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.
> >
>
> Do you have a TV with HDMI input?
>
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Tomas Kuchta]

We connected to the TV at FreeGeek through it's existing HDMI cable. It all
worked fine, without any kind of trouble.

Every recent enough TV probably has HDMI these days.

I prefer Display Port over HDMI. It has historically been trouble free
experience. Though my bad taste for DVI and HDMI is probably skewed by
using higher resolution high gamut photographic screens. It probably makes
no difference to ordinary screens these days.

Tomas

On Feb 19, 2018 9:49 AM, "Michael Rasmussen"  wrote:

On 2018-02-19 09:26, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
> Rich Shepard  dijo:
>
>   Did the video work at the clinic?
>>
>
> Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
> the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
> connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
> but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
> motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.
>

Do you have a TV with HDMI input?

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Michael Rasmussen]

On 2018-02-19 09:26, John Jason Jordan wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard  dijo:


  Did the video work at the clinic?


Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and 
DisplayPort.


Do you have a TV with HDMI input?

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:24:25 -0800
Johnathan Mantey  dijo:

>One issue I have run into with a 4U server is that the BIOS was
>configured to only output on the on-board VGA output.  This despite
>having a PCIe graphics card.  Since you are relying on the on-board
>graphics you may want to get a VGA monitor long enough to alter your
>BIOS settings.  Obviously last Sunday you had a working system.  What
>type of display device did you use to complete the build?

Free Geek may have some monitors with HDMI or DisplayPort, but they
were not easily locatable, so we used the TV screen mounted on the wall
in the room we use for the Clinics. The only connectors on the
motherboard are HDMI and DiusplayPort, so we used one of them, probably
HDMI. (I'm not the one who plugged it in.) I can't connect VGA without
some kind of adapter, but if I had one my ASUS monitor has VGA, HDMI
and DVI. Except that I can't get the Menu to work on the monitor so I
can't change it out of DVI. 

This morning my head is clearer and I have decided to just buy a new
monitor. The ASUS is, after all, seven years old, and new ones are not
terribly expensive. 
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.


John,

  So the issue is monitor or cable. That's good to know.


I thought the thrift store changed to being open on Mondays. On the other
hand the roads here are frozen and my only vehicle is a two-wheel drive
pickup - the worst vehicle ever for traction. I do have chains, but
they're a PITA. And I have homework to do for class tomorrow at PSU. And
if I run out of that there is always housecleaning.


  Could be open today; I assumed the store was open only Tu-Sa, but I've not
been there for a while.

  Roads aren't fun here in the east, either.

  Germane to your pickup truck, take a look at . I've
a 4wd, 3/4-ton pickup and crossed the Blue Mountains on I-84 during a
late-April blizzard a number of years ago, but it wasn't fun. Snow's OK, but
with ice it doesn't matter how many wheels are driven, they all slide. Extra
weight in the bed helps in all seasons. When the roads are dry but rough
(such as Portland's potholes) the weight keeps the back from bouncing
around.

Best regards,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>   Did the video work at the clinic?

Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.

>   While FreeGeek is not open today 

I thought the thrift store changed to being open on Mondays. On the
other hand the roads here are frozen and my only vehicle is a two-wheel
drive pickup - the worst vehicle ever for traction. I do have chains,
but they're a PITA. And I have homework to do for class tomorrow at
PSU. And if I run out of that there is always housecleaning. 
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Johnathan Mantey]

One issue I have run into with a 4U server is that the BIOS was configured
to only output on the on-board VGA output.  This despite having a PCIe
graphics card.  Since you are relying on the on-board graphics you may want
to get a VGA monitor long enough to alter your BIOS settings.  Obviously
last Sunday you had a working system.  What type of display device did you
use to complete the build?

Johnathan

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
> When I got home with the new HDMI cable I plugged it in, but the monitor
>> just says 'no signal.' I also tried booting to an Ubuntu USB stick, but
>> still no signal to the monitor. My laptop also has an HDMI output so I
>> tried that, but still no signal to the monitor.
>>
>
> John,
>
>   Did the video work at the clinic?
>
>   While FreeGeek is not open today they're a good source for monitors. And
> having a spare on hand is always helpful in determining whether a monitor
> is
> dead or just resting.
>
>   My Acer is many years old, never off, and still works so it might be a
> cable or connection issue with your monitor.
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


When I got home with the new HDMI cable I plugged it in, but the monitor
just says 'no signal.' I also tried booting to an Ubuntu USB stick, but
still no signal to the monitor. My laptop also has an HDMI output so I
tried that, but still no signal to the monitor.


John,

  Did the video work at the clinic?

  While FreeGeek is not open today they're a good source for monitors. And
having a spare on hand is always helpful in determining whether a monitor is
dead or just resting.

  My Acer is many years old, never off, and still works so it might be a
cable or connection issue with your monitor.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:27:23 -0800
Bill Barry  dijo:

>I have a similar monitor. It does not automatically detect where the
>signal is coming from. You have to switch it to HDMI. The button to
>toggle between DVI, HDMI and VGA is the one just to the left of the
>power button.

According to the manual for my monitor you change the setting with the
Menu button, which is three buttons to the left of the power button.
But when I push the Menu button nothing happens.

Also, I just discovered that I lied. I said that the LED for the power
button was not coming on, but in fact it is on. It's just that it
shines down so you can't see that it is on unless your finger is over
it and you can see your flesh light up. 

I think you are right about selecting the HDMI input, but the menu does
not appear so there is no way to change the setting. Maybe the menu
would appear if I sent it a DVI signal, but I no longer have anything
that will output a DVI signal. 
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Bill Barry]

I have a similar monitor. It does not automatically detect where the
signal is coming from. You have to switch it to HDMI. The button to
toggle between DVI, HDMI and VGA is the one just to the left of the
power button.

Bill

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:18 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:49:32 -0800
> a...@clueserver.org dijo:
>
>>Check to make sure all the cards are properly seated. Sometimes moving
>>will knock them out of place.
>
> It does not have a separate video card; I am using the video on the
> motherboard.
>
>>Does it make any beeps when booting?
>
> No noises when booting, but there is no video so I can't tell if it
> actually boots.
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Ben Koenig]

If the monitor has multiple inputs, vga/dvi/hdmi then double check the
input select setting. If you switched from DVI to HDMI then the monitor is
probably expecting a DVI cable, and when it doesn't see one says "no signal
detected" and clicks off to conserve power.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:21 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 23:47:45 -0600
> Carl Karsten  dijo:
>
> >> There is strange stuff going on with the monitor too. According to
> >> the manual when the power switch is on the LED for it is supposed to
> >> be lit up, but it does not light up.
>
> >not light up = not on.
> >Either power isn't plugged in, or it died.
>
> Power is definitely plugged in because when I hit the power switch the
> ASUS logo flashes on the screen. But it flashes for just a moment and
> then disappears. And the LED for the power button never comes on.
>
> I'm thinking the monitor is dead. It is, after all, seven years old,
> and t has been running 24/7 all that time. It's just weird that it died
> right when I plugged in a new computer. I'm already shopping for a new
> one, which is not easy because any monitor I might want to buy locally
> is out of stock.
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 23:47:45 -0600
Carl Karsten  dijo:

>> There is strange stuff going on with the monitor too. According to
>> the manual when the power switch is on the LED for it is supposed to
>> be lit up, but it does not light up.

>not light up = not on.
>Either power isn't plugged in, or it died.

Power is definitely plugged in because when I hit the power switch the
ASUS logo flashes on the screen. But it flashes for just a moment and
then disappears. And the LED for the power button never comes on.

I'm thinking the monitor is dead. It is, after all, seven years old,
and t has been running 24/7 all that time. It's just weird that it died
right when I plugged in a new computer. I'm already shopping for a new
one, which is not easy because any monitor I might want to buy locally
is out of stock.
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:32:31 -0800
Russell Senior  dijo:

>Are you sure the box is booting?  Does the fan run?  Are there lights?
> Can you ping it over the network?

I'm pretty sure it is booting: There are lights, fans are running, and
if I plug in a USB stick that has lights the lights flicker as it
mounts.

I could probably ping it if I had a clue what its IP address is. Oh
wait, I could see that in the D-Link page. Hmmm, D-Link says that
'Devil10' at 192.168.1.146 is connected, but that is the name and IP
address of the old computer, which is sitting in the corner not even
plugged in. But I just tried to ping 192.168.1.146 and there is no
response. Strange. And D-Link does not show anything that could be the
new computer.
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:49:32 -0800
a...@clueserver.org dijo:

>Check to make sure all the cards are properly seated. Sometimes moving
>will knock them out of place.

It does not have a separate video card; I am using the video on the
motherboard.

>Does it make any beeps when booting?

No noises when booting, but there is no video so I can't tell if it
actually boots.
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