Re: [PLUG] Three questions - Google Fiber in PDX ? Consider AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink.? City of Portland & Dark Fiber ?
On 08/03/2018 04:50 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: <...> Oh, and one more thing: During all this I learned that fiber is not as forgiving as copper. You can bend a copper wire to a 90 degree angle, but don't try that with fiber. One of the hazards of today's society's tendency for abbreviation is that sometimes important information is left out. Fiber makes us think of cloth, which is quite flexible. Data fiber, however, is glass fiber, and glass doesn't bend that well when pinched. :-) Most folks will never have a reason to come in contact with the bare end of a glass fiber, but should you be exposed to one, do be careful because they can puncture the skin and break off. Not a comfortable thing to have to deal with. I remember technicians with EC's Voice and Data department grousing about that from time to time when I worked there 20 years ago. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Three questions - Google Fiber in PDX ? Consider AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink.? City of Portland & Dark Fiber ?
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 12:33:49 -0700 Russell Senior dijo: >Gigabit from CenturyLink is (afaik) currently $80. ... >You would find further information by calling and talking >to them, but don't be surprised if their billing department and their >sales department aren't on the same page. The billing department is >the more important one. When I got my CL Gigabit service they were having a big promotion - $50 or $100 credit (I forget the amount), but you got it only if you signed up at their office in Hollywood District, not if you signed up with one of their door-to-door salespersons. (I don't know if this is still going.) Needless to say, I went to their office, where I found the staff very helpful and nice. They assured me that there was no data cap and that they guaranteed 85% of what I am paying for. I told them that eventually I wanted to get my own equipment, but to start with I would use theirs, and then return theirs after I got mine. They had no problem with that plan. They made an appointment for their installer to come out at a convenient time for me. The installer also turned out to be very nice and he knew what he was doing. As he installed their 'modem' (really a router) he explained how to disconnect it when I returned it. He listened to my suggestions about how to route the fiber from the street to my office (yes, I have fiber right to the wall in my office), and he agreed with me as to the routing. To get the fiber from the box on the side of the house to my office meant stringing it through the attic, so I helped a bit by standing in the attic and pulling it in as he fed it in from the outside. Later Russell brought me a D-Link DIR-660L which he had flashed with open source software and set it up it work with CenturyLink fiber. He did that for me because he knows I am not clever enough with these things to do it myself. :) Later I went to their office and returned their router. The fellow who waited on me found that it had not been entered into their computers as installed, so he fixed that and printed me out a receipt. He cautioned me to be sure to save the receipt because it is not uncommon for customers to not get the credit they are due - returning their equipment meant I should get $10 off my monthly bill. But when the next bill arrived I didn't get the $10 off. So back to their office I went, and when I got there a nice lady agreed that the bill was wrong and corrected it. In the process she mentioned that their billing department is famous for screwing up and they spend a lot of time fixing peoples' bills. So what Russell says about their billing department and their sales department not being on the same page is correct. Later I was going some work on my house and suddenly my connection died. I called up and the next day their installer came out (same guy), and discovered that there was apparently a kink in the line between the box on the outside of the house and the wall in my office. He re-strung the line (again with my minor assistance) and got it all working again. It was probably my fault, but there was no charge. I think the installer just decided not to charge me. A couple months later I was continuing my house remodeling and needed a fiber patch cable and jack for the wall in my office. I was shopping online for what I might need and then, fortuitously, I was driving by a McDonalds and there in the parking lot was a CL van. I pulled in and parked right next to it. Just as I got out the CL guy came out of the restaurant (it was my same installer!) and I told him what I needed. He opened his van and rummaged around for a minute, and handed me all kinds of connecting devices. No charge. So I am pleased with my CL service. The billing department is a mess, but the rest of the organization works as it should, and their local people are great. Oh, and one more thing: During all this I learned that fiber is not as forgiving as copper. You can bend a copper wire to a 90 degree angle, but don't try that with fiber. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Three questions - Google Fiber in PDX ? Consider AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink.? City of Portland & Dark Fiber ?
AWS stands for Amazon Web Service - I really meant it as - rent a computer on the internet with 1Gb/s + SSD + static IP for $10/month or less instead of paying overpriced ISP $20/month just for the IP + lousy high latency connection. Look up the details on: https://aws.amazon.com/ - LightSail is probably what you need https://www.linode.com/ Or any other service you might like In my experience - I get much better value, network speed and service using Linode and AWS than I could from any ISP available to me. And if you need connection to home you can either VPN tunnel thought AWS/Linode or DDNS privately or through one of the free services. Hope that gives you good enough lead. Tomas On Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 4:30 AM mitch Stanley wrote: > Hi, I forgot about Google Fiber , is it available in PDX ? > > > In regards to considering these 2 options - AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + > 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink , where would I find further information.? > > > Finally, When I took my Certificate in Telecom Admin at PCC we had people > who were aware of City of Portland reserving one or more strands of Fiber > Optic Cable . Did the City roll out any > services since then ( After the year ~ 2005) using these strands of > Fiber ? > > > Thank you, Mitch Stanley > > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 12:53:48 -0700 > From: Tomas Kuchta > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Returning to SW Portland after 6 Years- > Suggestions for Broadband incl Cable , DSL & Fiber Optic. > Message-ID: > hdrezza5wqzmhd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I do not know all the details, but $115 per month for 75Mb/s internet does > not show/prove any ability on your part to negotiate a price. On the > contrary. > > If you think that that is good deal, perhaps because of the 5 IPv4s - I > would look into AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink. > > For $57.50 per month for the next 3 years fixed contract, I will teach you > how to do it and even maintain the setup for you. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > On Aug 3, 2018 4:30 AM, "mitch Stanley" wrote: Hi, I forgot about Google Fiber , is it available in PDX ? In regards to considering these 2 options - AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink , where would I find further information.? Finally, When I took my Certificate in Telecom Admin at PCC we had people who were aware of City of Portland reserving one or more strands of Fiber Optic Cable . Did the City roll out any services since then ( After the year ~ 2005) using these strands of Fiber ? Thank you, Mitch Stanley Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 12:53:48 -0700 From: Tomas Kuchta To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Returning to SW Portland after 6 Years- Suggestions for Broadband incl Cable , DSL & Fiber Optic. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I do not know all the details, but $115 per month for 75Mb/s internet does not show/prove any ability on your part to negotiate a price. On the contrary. If you think that that is good deal, perhaps because of the 5 IPv4s - I would look into AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink. For $57.50 per month for the next 3 years fixed contract, I will teach you how to do it and even maintain the setup for you. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Three questions - Google Fiber in PDX ? Consider AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink.? City of Portland & Dark Fiber ?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:29 AM, mitch Stanley wrote: > Hi, I forgot about Google Fiber , is it available in PDX ? > No. In 2014 Google announced that they were looking to deploy in Portland. They went as far as negotiating a franchise agreement and a revised franchise agreement, but in 2016 Google pulled the plug on any new deployments nationwide. It had nothing to do with Portland specifically. There are some theories floating around that Portland was being difficult, but I have it straight from the Google Fiber manager in Portland that they were very helpful. > > > In regards to considering these 2 options - AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + > 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink , where would I find further information.? > Gigabit from CenturyLink is (afaik) currently $80. They use PPPoE for provisioning IP addresses. They use 6rd to provision IPv6, which makes your IPv6 allocation dependent on the IPv4 address they happen to give you. With any restart of the PPPoE connection, you get a new IPv4 address. Three years ago, when I got my service, my address was changing twice a day, on average. Other people report theirs is more stable. To get a single static IPv4 address cost me $75 to set up and $10/month. I believe you can also get a /29 allocation of IPv4 for a bit more. You would find further information by calling and talking to them, but don't be surprised if their billing department and their sales department aren't on the same page. The billing department is the more important one. > > > Finally, When I took my Certificate in Telecom Admin at PCC we had people > who were aware of City of Portland reserving one or more strands of Fiber > Optic Cable . Did the City roll out any > services since then ( After the year ~ 2005) using these strands of > Fiber ? > > > Thank you, Mitch Stanley > > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 12:53:48 -0700 > From: Tomas Kuchta > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Returning to SW Portland after 6 Years- > Suggestions for Broadband incl Cable , DSL & Fiber Optic. > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I do not know all the details, but $115 per month for 75Mb/s internet does > not show/prove any ability on your part to negotiate a price. On the > contrary. > > If you think that that is good deal, perhaps because of the 5 IPv4s - I > would look into AWS or using IPv6 + DNS + 1Gb/s @ $70/month CenturyLink. > > For $57.50 per month for the next 3 years fixed contract, I will teach you > how to do it and even maintain the setup for you. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
