Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Chuck Hast]

I too miss the 4:3 ratio, the present 16:9 is OK for watching video, but
just not
what I want when I am working with spreadsheets and  other data that is more
vertical. I have a screen on my desktop that is rotated 90 degrees, when I
need
to do documents or other vertical data I pull it over to that screen off of
the reg-
ular monitor.

And so far I even enjoy the T42 for the screen, and it is really not that
slow. Just
do not load up a bunch of stuff that is not needed.


On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Richard Owlett 
wrote:

> On 11/12/2017 07:25 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>> She most liked the big screen and the keyboard on that T42 is
>> something that she really likes (not sure why but it sure is).
>>
>> [snip] But she wanted a bigger screen and a keyboard. I asked
>> if she wanted a desktop, she said no a laptop, and pointed at
>> my X301, and told me she wanted one like that but with a bigger
>> screen. I pulled out the old T42 and set it up and now she is happy.
>>
>>
> Just for the heck of it I pulled out my T43 and installed Debian 9.1 with
> MATE desktop. I see no problem with it. I got reminded of why I liked it -
> the *PROPER* screen aspect ratio. I had switched to a T510 as the HDD was
> too small and the CD had problems. Loading SeaMonkey is slower but I saw no
> operational problem.
>
> YMMV
>
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/12/2017 07:25 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:

[snip]
She most liked the big screen and the keyboard on that T42 is
something that she really likes (not sure why but it sure is).

[snip] But she wanted a bigger screen and a keyboard. I asked
if she wanted a desktop, she said no a laptop, and pointed at
my X301, and told me she wanted one like that but with a bigger
screen. I pulled out the old T42 and set it up and now she is happy.



Just for the heck of it I pulled out my T43 and installed Debian 9.1 
with MATE desktop. I see no problem with it. I got reminded of why I 
liked it - the *PROPER* screen aspect ratio. I had switched to a T510 as 
the HDD was too small and the CD had problems. Loading SeaMonkey is 
slower but I saw no operational problem.


YMMV


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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Chuck Hast]

Well, so far she seems to be happy with it. I tried the tablet iPad offer
but got a
"no I want a computer" I showed it to her and she played with it a bit and
said
it was good. I told her that if she continued to feel that way and started
to feel
it was slow we would get something faster, she said that was good, but now
what we have is exactly what she needs. She most liked the big screen and
the keyboard on that T42 is something that she really likes (not sure why
but it
sure is).

Now we will see how it really goes. I have tried to set up desktops, she
went
out and got a Samsung tablet some years ago, but never used it, she does use
her phone constantly. But she wanted a bigger screen and a keyboard. I asked
if she wanted a desktop, she said no a laptop, and pointed at my X301, and
told me she wanted one like that but with a bigger screen. I pulled out the
old
T42 and set it up and now she is happy.

If momma ain't happy nobody's happy Ahh how true...

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Tomas Kuchta 
wrote:

> Wow, so many responses. Wonderful.
>
> First - as much as I love vintage stuff - 15 years old computers sucks for
> many reasons. Keep it as your pet vintage car type of project. Consider
> something new, perhaps Chuwi 12.3, it looks like iPad, so non PC people are
> not scared of it, and it is very affordable - not fast, but much better
> than T42.
>
> Second - talk and LISTEN to your wife what she would like the computer for.
> If like you said it is light browsing and calling people with iPads and
> iPods - then iPad is probably the best choice. You cannot win over everyone
> constantly moaning about that she should just have iPad. It doesn't matter
> how shallow it might be - enjoy talking about other things than computers.
>
> If your wife really want/need a computer, you need to ask her what for. In
> any case Ubuntu is probably the best choice because it is simple, it works
> and your kids will be able to figure things out for her.
>
> Hope it helps,
> -T
>
> On Nov 11, 2017 5:19 PM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:
>
> > Just went and looked at it, nice laptop from what I can see, and you can
> > get
> > it with Linux pre-installed.
> >
> > Speaking of relatives, I have to go and put linux on my mom's computer
> she
> > got one with Windows 10 and it is such a mess, slow, the monitor will not
> > wake
> > up (it did but there was some update and messed that up) so I am going to
> > move her to Linux too. The computer is a Dell and it is new so I can put
> a
> > full distro on there, but I will just put the things she needs, add Cairo
> > Dock so
> > she can find others, and that should put a stop to all of that.
> >
> > I will move them one by one off of the other OS.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Russell Senior <
> russ...@personaltelco.net
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Fwiw, the CHUWI 12.3 is a 3:2 aspect ratio screen, and is high res, so
> no
> > > jaggies.
> > >
> > > On Nov 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > All well taken, these are good pointers, perhaps we should publish a
> > > > book...
> > > >
> > > > Here is what I am planning, the T42 is set up and running just fine.
> If
> > > it
> > > > works
> > > > out I will get her a newer ThinkPad. I figure that if she gets
> through
> > a
> > > > few weeks
> > > > or months with it, then I will move her up to something faster, only
> > > issue
> > > > is she
> > > > LIKES the screen size on the ol' T42.
> > > >
> > > > As to 32 bits, yep the choices are rapidly going away. Though I was
> not
> > > > planniing
> > > > on putting a real large distro on it, If she can just do her web
> stuff
> > > and
> > > > learn it.
> > > > The machine is way faster than she can type right now, so I am  not
> too
> > > > worried
> > > > about speed. It pays music and videos, and she can look at all she
> > wants.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Galen Seitz 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 11/11/17 12:38, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > > > > > Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She
> wants
> > to
> > > > > learn
> > > > > > how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now
> computer)
> > > so
> > > > I
> > > > > am
> > > > > > going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on
> the
> > > > > desktop
> > > > > > and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If
> this
> > > > fails
> > > > > > then I will
> > > > > > try to get her to go for the iPad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alternatively, you may want to consider a Chromebook.  This is what
> > > I've
> > > > > done for relatives.
> > > > >
> > > > > galen
> > > > > --
> > > > > Galen Seitz
> > > > > gal...@seitzassoc.com
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > 

Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Tomas Kuchta]

Wow, so many responses. Wonderful.

First - as much as I love vintage stuff - 15 years old computers sucks for
many reasons. Keep it as your pet vintage car type of project. Consider
something new, perhaps Chuwi 12.3, it looks like iPad, so non PC people are
not scared of it, and it is very affordable - not fast, but much better
than T42.

Second - talk and LISTEN to your wife what she would like the computer for.
If like you said it is light browsing and calling people with iPads and
iPods - then iPad is probably the best choice. You cannot win over everyone
constantly moaning about that she should just have iPad. It doesn't matter
how shallow it might be - enjoy talking about other things than computers.

If your wife really want/need a computer, you need to ask her what for. In
any case Ubuntu is probably the best choice because it is simple, it works
and your kids will be able to figure things out for her.

Hope it helps,
-T

On Nov 11, 2017 5:19 PM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:

> Just went and looked at it, nice laptop from what I can see, and you can
> get
> it with Linux pre-installed.
>
> Speaking of relatives, I have to go and put linux on my mom's computer she
> got one with Windows 10 and it is such a mess, slow, the monitor will not
> wake
> up (it did but there was some update and messed that up) so I am going to
> move her to Linux too. The computer is a Dell and it is new so I can put a
> full distro on there, but I will just put the things she needs, add Cairo
> Dock so
> she can find others, and that should put a stop to all of that.
>
> I will move them one by one off of the other OS.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Russell Senior  >
> wrote:
>
> > Fwiw, the CHUWI 12.3 is a 3:2 aspect ratio screen, and is high res, so no
> > jaggies.
> >
> > On Nov 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:
> >
> > > All well taken, these are good pointers, perhaps we should publish a
> > > book...
> > >
> > > Here is what I am planning, the T42 is set up and running just fine. If
> > it
> > > works
> > > out I will get her a newer ThinkPad. I figure that if she gets through
> a
> > > few weeks
> > > or months with it, then I will move her up to something faster, only
> > issue
> > > is she
> > > LIKES the screen size on the ol' T42.
> > >
> > > As to 32 bits, yep the choices are rapidly going away. Though I was not
> > > planniing
> > > on putting a real large distro on it, If she can just do her web stuff
> > and
> > > learn it.
> > > The machine is way faster than she can type right now, so I am  not too
> > > worried
> > > about speed. It pays music and videos, and she can look at all she
> wants.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Galen Seitz 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11/11/17 12:38, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > > > > Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She wants
> to
> > > > learn
> > > > > how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now computer)
> > so
> > > I
> > > > am
> > > > > going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on the
> > > > desktop
> > > > > and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If this
> > > fails
> > > > > then I will
> > > > > try to get her to go for the iPad.
> > > >
> > > > Alternatively, you may want to consider a Chromebook.  This is what
> > I've
> > > > done for relatives.
> > > >
> > > > galen
> > > > --
> > > > Galen Seitz
> > > > gal...@seitzassoc.com
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
> > > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
> > > Ph 4:13 KJV
> > > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
> > > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Russell Senior]

Fwiw, the CHUWI 12.3 is a 3:2 aspect ratio screen, and is high res, so no
jaggies.

On Nov 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:

> All well taken, these are good pointers, perhaps we should publish a
> book...
>
> Here is what I am planning, the T42 is set up and running just fine. If it
> works
> out I will get her a newer ThinkPad. I figure that if she gets through a
> few weeks
> or months with it, then I will move her up to something faster, only issue
> is she
> LIKES the screen size on the ol' T42.
>
> As to 32 bits, yep the choices are rapidly going away. Though I was not
> planniing
> on putting a real large distro on it, If she can just do her web stuff and
> learn it.
> The machine is way faster than she can type right now, so I am  not too
> worried
> about speed. It pays music and videos, and she can look at all she wants.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Galen Seitz 
> wrote:
>
> > On 11/11/17 12:38, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > > Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She wants to
> > learn
> > > how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now computer) so
> I
> > am
> > > going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on the
> > desktop
> > > and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If this
> fails
> > > then I will
> > > try to get her to go for the iPad.
> >
> > Alternatively, you may want to consider a Chromebook.  This is what I've
> > done for relatives.
> >
> > galen
> > --
> > Galen Seitz
> > gal...@seitzassoc.com
> > ___
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> > PLUG@pdxlinux.org
> > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
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> Ph 4:13 KJV
> Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Russell Senior]

Oh, yeah, actually I lied. Several of my relatives have Chromebooks. Two of
the three are running GalliumOS, which is a lightweight xfce desktop on an
Ubuntu base with Chromebook tweaks.

On Nov 11, 2017 1:08 PM, "Galen Seitz"  wrote:

> On 11/11/17 12:38, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She wants to
> learn
> > how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now computer) so I
> am
> > going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on the
> desktop
> > and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If this fails
> > then I will
> > try to get her to go for the iPad.
>
> Alternatively, you may want to consider a Chromebook.  This is what I've
> done for relatives.
>
> galen
> --
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Nat Taylor]

Xubuntu with Cairo Dock is a nice, easy to use setup as well...

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Galen Seitz  wrote:

> On 11/11/17 12:38, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She wants to
> learn
> > how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now computer) so I
> am
> > going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on the
> desktop
> > and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If this fails
> > then I will
> > try to get her to go for the iPad.
>
> Alternatively, you may want to consider a Chromebook.  This is what I've
> done for relatives.
>
> galen
> --
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Galen Seitz]

On 11/11/17 12:38, Chuck Hast wrote:
> Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She wants to learn
> how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now computer) so I am
> going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on the desktop
> and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If this fails
> then I will
> try to get her to go for the iPad.

Alternatively, you may want to consider a Chromebook.  This is what I've
done for relatives.

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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Russell Senior]

All my relatives that have ever asked for my help use Ubuntu Gnome,
and I immediately fire up Tweak Tool to turn on the Application and
Place menus, Window Bar at the bottom, and the minimize/maximize
buttons on windows.  I'd also recommend something better than the T42.
I still have a T42, but 32-bit support is getting harder to come by.
Also, get something with 4GB of RAM or more or you'll be running out
of memory for Firefox when she opens the 95th tab.  The other weaselly
advice idea is to get her something you'd like, in case she decides
she doesn't want one after all.  The CHUWI 12.3-inch LAPBOOK is
modern, 4-core, 6GB RAM, not too expensive ($329 on Amazon), and has a
very nice display.  Although, the touchpad could be better, I
typically use an external mouse.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Dan Bolduc  wrote:
> My first thought was, "mint".
>
> Guess I wasn't the only one!
>
> Also seconding the iPad comment, as long as it doesnt get me banned from
> the list Women really do love them. My wife uses hers everywhere.
>
> Also, that is a very old thinkpad. Thinkpads up to the t430 series are
> still very good and quite inexpensive on ebay. After that, don't bother.
>
> On Nov 11, 2017 11:00 AM, "Wayne"  wrote:
>
> Linux Mint
> Wayne
>
>
> On 11/11/2017 10:50 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
>> Folks, my wife finally conceded that she needed to learn how to use a
>> computer,
>> that has been an uphill battle for years, I am looking at starting her out
>> on a
>> T42 Thinkpad which I have here. At this point all she needs is a browser,
>> some-
>> thing to play music and watch videos. Later on I will show her how to use
>> LO.
>>
>> So what should I put on that T42 that will work reasonably well for her to
>> get
>> started but will not be too much. I am going to set it up with a very
>> limited
>> amount of things, and let her work up. Big thing is I do not want her to
>> open
>> something, get flustered and then back away
>>
>> I have been thinking about either Lubuntu or
>>
>>
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Chuck Hast]

Well I put Lubuntu on it and so far it does pretty good. She wants to learn
how to use the computer, (I offered a tablet, but no, now computer) so I am
going to take a poke at Lubuntu. I will put the needed apps on the desktop
and let her go at it. Thank you all for all the good ideas. If this fails
then I will
try to get her to go for the iPad.



On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Dan Bolduc 
wrote:

> My first thought was, "mint".
>
> Guess I wasn't the only one!
>
> Also seconding the iPad comment, as long as it doesnt get me banned from
> the list Women really do love them. My wife uses hers everywhere.
>
> Also, that is a very old thinkpad. Thinkpads up to the t430 series are
> still very good and quite inexpensive on ebay. After that, don't bother.
>
> On Nov 11, 2017 11:00 AM, "Wayne"  wrote:
>
> Linux Mint
> Wayne
>
>
> On 11/11/2017 10:50 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > Folks, my wife finally conceded that she needed to learn how to use a
> > computer,
> > that has been an uphill battle for years, I am looking at starting her
> out
> > on a
> > T42 Thinkpad which I have here. At this point all she needs is a browser,
> > some-
> > thing to play music and watch videos. Later on I will show her how to use
> > LO.
> >
> > So what should I put on that T42 that will work reasonably well for her
> to
> > get
> > started but will not be too much. I am going to set it up with a very
> > limited
> > amount of things, and let her work up. Big thing is I do not want her to
> > open
> > something, get flustered and then back away
> >
> > I have been thinking about either Lubuntu or
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Dan Bolduc]

My first thought was, "mint".

Guess I wasn't the only one!

Also seconding the iPad comment, as long as it doesnt get me banned from
the list Women really do love them. My wife uses hers everywhere.

Also, that is a very old thinkpad. Thinkpads up to the t430 series are
still very good and quite inexpensive on ebay. After that, don't bother.

On Nov 11, 2017 11:00 AM, "Wayne"  wrote:

Linux Mint
Wayne


On 11/11/2017 10:50 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:

> Folks, my wife finally conceded that she needed to learn how to use a
> computer,
> that has been an uphill battle for years, I am looking at starting her out
> on a
> T42 Thinkpad which I have here. At this point all she needs is a browser,
> some-
> thing to play music and watch videos. Later on I will show her how to use
> LO.
>
> So what should I put on that T42 that will work reasonably well for her to
> get
> started but will not be too much. I am going to set it up with a very
> limited
> amount of things, and let her work up. Big thing is I do not want her to
> open
> something, get flustered and then back away
>
> I have been thinking about either Lubuntu or
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] linux for a Ludite

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

While I was struggling with teaching her Windows (bad) and Mint (better) 
my daughters kept telling to give her an iPad. (We are in our 80s! And 
she was the Valedictorian.) I demurred, but finally gave in. They taught 
her how to use it and the light suddenly went on. The ease with which 
they can do global "videophone" is the last straw in selling this one 
way ticket. (Yes I know about Skype...)


Over the years I've given iPads to daughters and granddaughters around 
the world to their delight. (The males get Linux and Windows.) And they 
gave me iPads in return. I use them when watching TV and running Ham 
Radio remote (FLEX 6300). iPads do have their place and resistance is 
futile in this case. :-D.


-Dave



On 11/11/2017 11:00 AM, Wayne wrote:

Linux Mint
Wayne

On 11/11/2017 10:50 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:

Folks, my wife finally conceded that she needed to learn how to use a
computer,
that has been an uphill battle for years, I am looking at starting 
her out

on a
T42 Thinkpad which I have here. At this point all she needs is a 
browser,

some-
thing to play music and watch videos. Later on I will show her how to 
use

LO.

So what should I put on that T42 that will work reasonably well for 
her to

get
started but will not be too much. I am going to set it up with a very
limited
amount of things, and let her work up. Big thing is I do not want her to
open
something, get flustered and then back away

I have been thinking about either Lubuntu or



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[Chuck Hast]

Folks, my wife finally conceded that she needed to learn how to use a
computer,
that has been an uphill battle for years, I am looking at starting her out
on a
T42 Thinkpad which I have here. At this point all she needs is a browser,
some-
thing to play music and watch videos. Later on I will show her how to use
LO.

So what should I put on that T42 that will work reasonably well for her to
get
started but will not be too much. I am going to set it up with a very
limited
amount of things, and let her work up. Big thing is I do not want her to
open
something, get flustered and then back away

I have been thinking about either Lubuntu or

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Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Ph 4:13 KJV
Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
Fil 4:13 RVR1960
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