Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
Ahh the joys of dealing with Windows... What is going to happen with all of this amateur radio software when MS starts monetizing hard all of that stuff? I wish these guys would wake up and move back to where a lot of amateur radio software came from but they will not until it starts hitting them hard in the pocket book. On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 3:23 PM Michael Barnes wrote: > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:29 AM Roderick Anderson > wrote: > > > Michael, Chuck; > > > > Quick message as I'm heading out the door for a meeting. > > > > Am I understanding correctly. You have N3FJP running on a Linux system > > - the server? > > > > > > Rod - K7ZBE > > > > No, N3FJP is running on Windows laptops. Previously, I tried a small > computer running Linux and Samba and hosted the database file and all the > clients connected to it. That was less than successful, mainly due to user > error. Now, the database file is hosted on one Windows laptop and all the > clients connect via Windows File Sharing. The Linux server just handles > background network stuff like dhcp and ntp. Actually, I suppose I could > just use a router for dhcp, but I need GPS time as there will be no > Internet access and I need all machines closely synchronized in time. I'm > still fine tuning this whole package and experimenting with different > configurations. Ultimately, it will all be in a GO-Box that will be pretty > much just a deployable plug-and-play unit. > > Michael WA7SKG > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ph 4:13 KJV Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. Fil 4:13 RVR1960 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:29 AM Roderick Anderson wrote: > Michael, Chuck; > > Quick message as I'm heading out the door for a meeting. > > Am I understanding correctly. You have N3FJP running on a Linux system > - the server? > > > Rod - K7ZBE > No, N3FJP is running on Windows laptops. Previously, I tried a small computer running Linux and Samba and hosted the database file and all the clients connected to it. That was less than successful, mainly due to user error. Now, the database file is hosted on one Windows laptop and all the clients connect via Windows File Sharing. The Linux server just handles background network stuff like dhcp and ntp. Actually, I suppose I could just use a router for dhcp, but I need GPS time as there will be no Internet access and I need all machines closely synchronized in time. I'm still fine tuning this whole package and experimenting with different configurations. Ultimately, it will all be in a GO-Box that will be pretty much just a deployable plug-and-play unit. Michael WA7SKG ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
Yeah switchers don't like square waves On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:27 AM Tomas Kuchta wrote: > Look for "pico PSU" for your 12V power supply needs. > > Like this one: > http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-160-XT > > Also available on Amazon ... Also from alternative sellers. > > That is how I power standard mini-itx systems since AsRock discontinued > their mini-itx DC line two years ago. > > With this power supply you can power up just about anything from car > battery. > > You could also just get true sinus inverter and power low power computer + > network switch + decent access point from ordinary power outlet. > > If you go the power inverter route - always get the true sinus type, > otherwise you will fry your switching PSUs in computer/laptop/etc. > > Tomas > > On Thu, May 23, 2019, 01:53 Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Ahh, field day, yes I can see now exactly what you are looking for. And > yes > > some of your users will be just > > barely able to turn their computers on so it will need to be simple, I > can > > see that. I generally do tech stuff for > > field days (been a while) and one DX-pedition (Cocos Island Costa Rica) > but > > once I have it up and running > > I just keep it running, I do not get on the mic/key/keyboard... OK you > are > > going to use gpsd for disciplining. > > That will keep all the logs lined up, no one can fudge there. > > > > I am assuming that most of what the users will be grabbing are log files. > > The 12vdc POS devices are very > > handy for vehicular use. But they are getting harder and harder to find > > most have gone to 19vdc. BUT, you > > can find a boat load of 12vdc to 5-32 vdc boost switchers on ebay and > > amazon, most less than $20 for that > > service. I know it is one more box to drag but it will let you put those > > 19vdc POS boxes to use in the mobile... > > I have them in my work vehicle so I can just plug my laptops into them > and > > go. > > > > Though I have not used it, (that is on my list of todo's) Ben's > > recommendation of Slackware sounds like a > > good solution for just such things. Remember Murphy is and equal > > opportunity harasser, his momma > > walked the streets before he was born... You want to keep him off at a > > distance especially under that > > sort of environment. > > > > de kp4djt > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:35 PM Michael Barnes > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > May I ask what amateur apps you are going to be using? gprsd and some > > > > others sound like something with > > > > aprs, or it could be with winlink, or a packet radio stack. I am > using > > > > MMDVM on a RPi and it writes a LOT to > > > > the little memory card, but it goes and goes. So even a very busy > aprs > > > > system will not see a lot of writing. I > > > > use the Samsung SSD's. I figure you are using one small POS or other > > > > devices, most are 19vdc but some are > > > > 12vdc (nice for vehicular usage) you indicated it used a 3" SATA > drive, > > > > there are a lot of SSD 2" drives that have > > > > a kit for putting them in a 3" space. As in any device that it > writing > > to > > > > memory make sure your 12v mains are > > > > reliable and will not drop out from under the computer. > > > > Call here is KP4DJT, Google it. > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > > > Getting ready for Field Day. We will have multiple operating positions > > all > > > using the N3FJP Field Day Logging Program. All the laptops will be > > > connected via wireless LAN. The LAN needs to provide basic network > stuff, > > > dhcp, ntp, etc. There will be no Internet connectivity, so the server > > will > > > have a USB GPS puck for time standard. I need a quick and dirty way of > > > grabbing files, so I was thinking of a basic web page users could > browse > > to > > > and click to download files. The users will mostly be barely computer > > > literate Windows users, so everything has to be pretty basic. The files > > > involved will be relatively small. > > > Yes, it is a small POS type device. I already got a Crucial 120GB SSD > and > > > bracket and it is installed. Just got the power cord today, will try to > > > fire it up later. > > > > > > Michael WA7SKG > > > Field Day call W7ORE > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. > > Ph 4:13 KJV > > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. > > Fil 4:13 RVR1960 > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
Look for "pico PSU" for your 12V power supply needs. Like this one: http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-160-XT Also available on Amazon ... Also from alternative sellers. That is how I power standard mini-itx systems since AsRock discontinued their mini-itx DC line two years ago. With this power supply you can power up just about anything from car battery. You could also just get true sinus inverter and power low power computer + network switch + decent access point from ordinary power outlet. If you go the power inverter route - always get the true sinus type, otherwise you will fry your switching PSUs in computer/laptop/etc. Tomas On Thu, May 23, 2019, 01:53 Chuck Hast wrote: > Ahh, field day, yes I can see now exactly what you are looking for. And yes > some of your users will be just > barely able to turn their computers on so it will need to be simple, I can > see that. I generally do tech stuff for > field days (been a while) and one DX-pedition (Cocos Island Costa Rica) but > once I have it up and running > I just keep it running, I do not get on the mic/key/keyboard... OK you are > going to use gpsd for disciplining. > That will keep all the logs lined up, no one can fudge there. > > I am assuming that most of what the users will be grabbing are log files. > The 12vdc POS devices are very > handy for vehicular use. But they are getting harder and harder to find > most have gone to 19vdc. BUT, you > can find a boat load of 12vdc to 5-32 vdc boost switchers on ebay and > amazon, most less than $20 for that > service. I know it is one more box to drag but it will let you put those > 19vdc POS boxes to use in the mobile... > I have them in my work vehicle so I can just plug my laptops into them and > go. > > Though I have not used it, (that is on my list of todo's) Ben's > recommendation of Slackware sounds like a > good solution for just such things. Remember Murphy is and equal > opportunity harasser, his momma > walked the streets before he was born... You want to keep him off at a > distance especially under that > sort of environment. > > de kp4djt > > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:35 PM Michael Barnes > wrote: > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > > Michael, > > > May I ask what amateur apps you are going to be using? gprsd and some > > > others sound like something with > > > aprs, or it could be with winlink, or a packet radio stack. I am using > > > MMDVM on a RPi and it writes a LOT to > > > the little memory card, but it goes and goes. So even a very busy aprs > > > system will not see a lot of writing. I > > > use the Samsung SSD's. I figure you are using one small POS or other > > > devices, most are 19vdc but some are > > > 12vdc (nice for vehicular usage) you indicated it used a 3" SATA drive, > > > there are a lot of SSD 2" drives that have > > > a kit for putting them in a 3" space. As in any device that it writing > to > > > memory make sure your 12v mains are > > > reliable and will not drop out from under the computer. > > > Call here is KP4DJT, Google it. > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > Getting ready for Field Day. We will have multiple operating positions > all > > using the N3FJP Field Day Logging Program. All the laptops will be > > connected via wireless LAN. The LAN needs to provide basic network stuff, > > dhcp, ntp, etc. There will be no Internet connectivity, so the server > will > > have a USB GPS puck for time standard. I need a quick and dirty way of > > grabbing files, so I was thinking of a basic web page users could browse > to > > and click to download files. The users will mostly be barely computer > > literate Windows users, so everything has to be pretty basic. The files > > involved will be relatively small. > > Yes, it is a small POS type device. I already got a Crucial 120GB SSD and > > bracket and it is installed. Just got the power cord today, will try to > > fire it up later. > > > > Michael WA7SKG > > Field Day call W7ORE > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > -- > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. > Ph 4:13 KJV > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. > Fil 4:13 RVR1960 > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
Michael, Chuck; Quick message as I'm heading out the door for a meeting. Am I understanding correctly. You have N3FJP running on a Linux system - the server? Rod - K7ZBE -- On 5/22/19 10:53 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: Ahh, field day, yes I can see now exactly what you are looking for. And yes some of your users will be just barely able to turn their computers on so it will need to be simple, I can see that. I generally do tech stuff for field days (been a while) and one DX-pedition (Cocos Island Costa Rica) but once I have it up and running I just keep it running, I do not get on the mic/key/keyboard... OK you are going to use gpsd for disciplining. That will keep all the logs lined up, no one can fudge there. I am assuming that most of what the users will be grabbing are log files. The 12vdc POS devices are very handy for vehicular use. But they are getting harder and harder to find most have gone to 19vdc. BUT, you can find a boat load of 12vdc to 5-32 vdc boost switchers on ebay and amazon, most less than $20 for that service. I know it is one more box to drag but it will let you put those 19vdc POS boxes to use in the mobile... I have them in my work vehicle so I can just plug my laptops into them and go. Though I have not used it, (that is on my list of todo's) Ben's recommendation of Slackware sounds like a good solution for just such things. Remember Murphy is and equal opportunity harasser, his momma walked the streets before he was born... You want to keep him off at a distance especially under that sort of environment. de kp4djt On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:35 PM Michael Barnes wrote: On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck Hast wrote: Michael, May I ask what amateur apps you are going to be using? gprsd and some others sound like something with aprs, or it could be with winlink, or a packet radio stack. I am using MMDVM on a RPi and it writes a LOT to the little memory card, but it goes and goes. So even a very busy aprs system will not see a lot of writing. I use the Samsung SSD's. I figure you are using one small POS or other devices, most are 19vdc but some are 12vdc (nice for vehicular usage) you indicated it used a 3" SATA drive, there are a lot of SSD 2" drives that have a kit for putting them in a 3" space. As in any device that it writing to memory make sure your 12v mains are reliable and will not drop out from under the computer. Call here is KP4DJT, Google it. Hi Chuck, Getting ready for Field Day. We will have multiple operating positions all using the N3FJP Field Day Logging Program. All the laptops will be connected via wireless LAN. The LAN needs to provide basic network stuff, dhcp, ntp, etc. There will be no Internet connectivity, so the server will have a USB GPS puck for time standard. I need a quick and dirty way of grabbing files, so I was thinking of a basic web page users could browse to and click to download files. The users will mostly be barely computer literate Windows users, so everything has to be pretty basic. The files involved will be relatively small. Yes, it is a small POS type device. I already got a Crucial 120GB SSD and bracket and it is installed. Just got the power cord today, will try to fire it up later. Michael WA7SKG Field Day call W7ORE ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
Ahh, field day, yes I can see now exactly what you are looking for. And yes some of your users will be just barely able to turn their computers on so it will need to be simple, I can see that. I generally do tech stuff for field days (been a while) and one DX-pedition (Cocos Island Costa Rica) but once I have it up and running I just keep it running, I do not get on the mic/key/keyboard... OK you are going to use gpsd for disciplining. That will keep all the logs lined up, no one can fudge there. I am assuming that most of what the users will be grabbing are log files. The 12vdc POS devices are very handy for vehicular use. But they are getting harder and harder to find most have gone to 19vdc. BUT, you can find a boat load of 12vdc to 5-32 vdc boost switchers on ebay and amazon, most less than $20 for that service. I know it is one more box to drag but it will let you put those 19vdc POS boxes to use in the mobile... I have them in my work vehicle so I can just plug my laptops into them and go. Though I have not used it, (that is on my list of todo's) Ben's recommendation of Slackware sounds like a good solution for just such things. Remember Murphy is and equal opportunity harasser, his momma walked the streets before he was born... You want to keep him off at a distance especially under that sort of environment. de kp4djt On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:35 PM Michael Barnes wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Michael, > > May I ask what amateur apps you are going to be using? gprsd and some > > others sound like something with > > aprs, or it could be with winlink, or a packet radio stack. I am using > > MMDVM on a RPi and it writes a LOT to > > the little memory card, but it goes and goes. So even a very busy aprs > > system will not see a lot of writing. I > > use the Samsung SSD's. I figure you are using one small POS or other > > devices, most are 19vdc but some are > > 12vdc (nice for vehicular usage) you indicated it used a 3" SATA drive, > > there are a lot of SSD 2" drives that have > > a kit for putting them in a 3" space. As in any device that it writing to > > memory make sure your 12v mains are > > reliable and will not drop out from under the computer. > > Call here is KP4DJT, Google it. > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > Getting ready for Field Day. We will have multiple operating positions all > using the N3FJP Field Day Logging Program. All the laptops will be > connected via wireless LAN. The LAN needs to provide basic network stuff, > dhcp, ntp, etc. There will be no Internet connectivity, so the server will > have a USB GPS puck for time standard. I need a quick and dirty way of > grabbing files, so I was thinking of a basic web page users could browse to > and click to download files. The users will mostly be barely computer > literate Windows users, so everything has to be pretty basic. The files > involved will be relatively small. > Yes, it is a small POS type device. I already got a Crucial 120GB SSD and > bracket and it is installed. Just got the power cord today, will try to > fire it up later. > > Michael WA7SKG > Field Day call W7ORE > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ph 4:13 KJV Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. Fil 4:13 RVR1960 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck Hast wrote: > Michael, > May I ask what amateur apps you are going to be using? gprsd and some > others sound like something with > aprs, or it could be with winlink, or a packet radio stack. I am using > MMDVM on a RPi and it writes a LOT to > the little memory card, but it goes and goes. So even a very busy aprs > system will not see a lot of writing. I > use the Samsung SSD's. I figure you are using one small POS or other > devices, most are 19vdc but some are > 12vdc (nice for vehicular usage) you indicated it used a 3" SATA drive, > there are a lot of SSD 2" drives that have > a kit for putting them in a 3" space. As in any device that it writing to > memory make sure your 12v mains are > reliable and will not drop out from under the computer. > Call here is KP4DJT, Google it. > > Hi Chuck, Getting ready for Field Day. We will have multiple operating positions all using the N3FJP Field Day Logging Program. All the laptops will be connected via wireless LAN. The LAN needs to provide basic network stuff, dhcp, ntp, etc. There will be no Internet connectivity, so the server will have a USB GPS puck for time standard. I need a quick and dirty way of grabbing files, so I was thinking of a basic web page users could browse to and click to download files. The users will mostly be barely computer literate Windows users, so everything has to be pretty basic. The files involved will be relatively small. Yes, it is a small POS type device. I already got a Crucial 120GB SSD and bracket and it is installed. Just got the power cord today, will try to fire it up later. Michael WA7SKG Field Day call W7ORE ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
I have about a dozen 120g mixed brands. All work fine. No failures of any kind. For ~$20 you can't go too wrong... On 5/18/2019 11:14 AM, Tyrell Jentink wrote: For your purposes, it probably doesn't ultimately matter much... You aren't running a Data center, you aren't archiving emails, you aren't filing taxes. Get a cheap one, do sensible backups. Samsung Evo 960 series drives are consistently getting excellent reviews in the blogs for best general purpose SSDs... But they are generally a bit more expensive than what people have been suggesting... Probably lends itself to the point that "Even cheap ones are good enough." For what it's worth... My laptop is currently sporting a 500GB Evo 960 SATA SSD, and it's performing very well. On Sat, May 18, 2019, 11:04 Michael Barnes wrote: On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:07 AM Dave Lien W7DAL wrote: Michael- I use $20 SSDs from Newegg and they work fine for general use. SSDs are direct replacements for mechanical drives. For a low budget you can just duct tape them in place if needed. Not a problem. You will be amazed at how much faster they are. Good luck. -Dave Looked at Newegg. They have a huge selection of KingDian SSDs. Never heard of KingDian. Are they any good? Many options I have no idea what is what. That's what I get being out of the hardware game for over 10 years. No idea what TLC or MLC or any of the other options are. Suggestions appreciated. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
For your purposes, it probably doesn't ultimately matter much... You aren't running a Data center, you aren't archiving emails, you aren't filing taxes. Get a cheap one, do sensible backups. Samsung Evo 960 series drives are consistently getting excellent reviews in the blogs for best general purpose SSDs... But they are generally a bit more expensive than what people have been suggesting... Probably lends itself to the point that "Even cheap ones are good enough." For what it's worth... My laptop is currently sporting a 500GB Evo 960 SATA SSD, and it's performing very well. On Sat, May 18, 2019, 11:04 Michael Barnes wrote: > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:07 AM Dave Lien W7DAL > wrote: > > > Michael- > > > > I use $20 SSDs from Newegg and they work fine for general use. SSDs are > > direct replacements for mechanical drives. For a low budget you can just > > duct tape them in place if needed. Not a problem. You will be amazed at > > how much faster they are. Good luck. > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > Looked at Newegg. They have a huge selection of KingDian SSDs. Never heard > of KingDian. Are they any good? Many options I have no idea what is what. > That's what I get being out of the hardware game for over 10 years. No idea > what TLC or MLC or any of the other options are. Suggestions appreciated. > > Michael > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:07 AM Dave Lien W7DAL wrote: > Michael- > > I use $20 SSDs from Newegg and they work fine for general use. SSDs are > direct replacements for mechanical drives. For a low budget you can just > duct tape them in place if needed. Not a problem. You will be amazed at > how much faster they are. Good luck. > > -Dave > > > Looked at Newegg. They have a huge selection of KingDian SSDs. Never heard of KingDian. Are they any good? Many options I have no idea what is what. That's what I get being out of the hardware game for over 10 years. No idea what TLC or MLC or any of the other options are. Suggestions appreciated. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] SSD Advice Needed
This is not a laptop, but a small 12V computer with a mini-atx (I think) type mainboard. I also just found out it uses an Atom 550 processor. As previously stated, it had a regular 3.5 inch drive, so I'll need an adapter to mount a laptop drive. This will normally run headless once I get the OS installed, so no GUI environment needed. I'm thinking with this, maybe CentOS is overkill. As I said, I only need some basic networking stuff, dhcp, ntp, gpsd, etc. Reviewing my other needs, I'm not sure I will even need file storage. A web server might be handy for a few static pages and ability to pull down some small files that way. All of the help so far has been greatly appreciated, thanks. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
