Re: xorg: Maximum number of clients reached

[Michael Butash]

Yeah, I've run into that first, I blew out/increased my ulimit's to 
those to some 768k from a default 32k (chrome, thanks), and didn't seem 
to hit those last time, rather just the xclient limit.  Not really sure 
how much I *should* open them really, considering 32k is default, even 
setting to 3/4 of a million seems absurd, or a bug, or just google + now 
kodi.


I haven't used windoze in so long - do they just not limit anything ala 
fork-bomb style file descriptors?  It's that old paranoia that linux 
bothers to set some limits (justified, I had an old security-inclined 
buddy fubar a system of mine once to prove it, single-user style to 
recover), but seems there just aren't limits under windoze that people 
consider.


Guess people are just used to windoze tipping over and rebooting. 
Granted, so am I at this point linux.


-mb


On 06/14/2015 09:32 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:
I was just googling around and found someone who mentioned that the 
"Maximum number of clients reached" can mean literally that, or can 
mean that your system has run out of file descriptors.
Check the output of lsof instead of xlsclients and see if you can 
figure out what is eating your system since it sounds like it's more 
of an FD type problem than a max client problem.


Brian Cluff

On 06/14/2015 09:22 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

And right after, could no longer unlock my desktop to get at it, even
switch ctrl-alt-F1 and back to F7, which normally works until the system
just comes unglued.

So there's apparently 2 layers of problems:

1) xorg clients exceed counts

2) system craps the bed as a result, not able to spawn new applications
via xorg display's

Odd that system level things like simple-locker break when doing so,
simply no longer rendering.  Upon montior wake-up, I'll see my full
desktop, even able to mouse over some things like cairo-dock that
respond to compositing (of which I killed as a test, no kwin/desktop
effects running since boot), but cannot otherwise interact enough to
restart/unlock/reboot the window-manager or system.

Side note, my tty's seem to bind to the non-existent intel sh*t
card/port on the mobo, so even when ctrl-alt-F1, I don't actually get a
term.  I can ssh to it, but have tried this, restarting lightdm just
hangs the system.  Hard reset like a windoze box time.

And it's back for a few days, again.

I really don't think my usage that abnormal, but seems no one else runs
into these things.  Very frustrating.

-mb


On 06/14/2015 08:55 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

Ah, xbmc/kodi seems to be a big reason.

Fired kodi up to catch certain season ending content tonight, and
yeah, took me from 118 xclients before to max after.  At least I got
to watch though.

I tried to launch something after moving it to the background, no
launch, no error, just usual telltale signs of brokenness, so 
checked...


mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
Maximum number of clients reachedxlsclients:  unable to open display 
":0"

0

Thought what changed from an hour ago, nothing more than launching
kodi.  Killed it (kill -9 pids, kodi wouldn't die otherwise), and 
voila.


mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
118

As usual, probably plugins developed on windoze that doesn't bother to
limit exploit of the os (probably more encouraged by the nsa).  But
hey, at least I know I need to yell at someone there to figure out how
to code it and their plugins properly.

Just an fyi.

Side note, this isn't the ultimate evil it seems but a significant
one.  Tried to launch a gl-based game last night too, and get things
like sdl() failures to spawn a window, so there's something else
getting run-down over time.  Craptastic part is absolutely nothing
errors system-wise, even doing a blanket tail -f on /var/log/*, hoping
something would bark to indicate such.  I still think amd binary
drivers are crap.

-mb


On 06/14/2015 12:33 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

It's gotten *that* unstable lately, it's hardly worse than rebooting
every few days.

-mb




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Re: OT: Laptop Disposal

[Greg Warner]

I did some searching a few weeks ago on the topic of laptop recycling.

It sounds like Goodwill in partnership with Dell recycles, though I'm not
sure if all do:
http://www.goodwill.org/press-releases/goodwill-and-dell-expand-free-computer-recycling-programs/

I found this company, but they never responded to my inquiry.  Benefit here
is it sounds like they do a good job of erasing your disks (though I
recommend doing it yourself if you can):
http://arizonacomputerrecycling.com/

And then there's this:
http://www.azstrut.org/

No first hand experience here.  I'd also love to know if anybody has any
experience in this regard.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Stephen Partington 
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> There are some similar parts between the 610 and the 620
> On Jun 13, 2015 5:45 PM, "Mark Phillips" 
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if it would work on a Dell D620? I have one of those that works
>> (I think) but the screen is dead.
>>
>> Or, perhaps we are both in need of a donation drop for laptops? ;)
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:27 PM, AZ Pete  wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have an old laptop that I need to dispose of. I've never had to
>>> dispose of a laptop before and want to know where I can properly
>>> dispose of this thing.  I live in N. Scottsdale, so somewhere close by
>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> BTW, if anyone wants an old, non-functioning Dell Latitude D610, come get
>>> it . No charge.
>>> It boots to the the "Dell" screen and freezes. Never gets to the O/S.  Maybe
>>> good for parts??
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
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Re: xorg: Maximum number of clients reached

[Brian Cluff]

I was just googling around and found someone who mentioned that the 
"Maximum number of clients reached" can mean literally that, or can mean 
that your system has run out of file descriptors.
Check the output of lsof instead of xlsclients and see if you can figure 
out what is eating your system since it sounds like it's more of an FD 
type problem than a max client problem.


Brian Cluff

On 06/14/2015 09:22 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

And right after, could no longer unlock my desktop to get at it, even
switch ctrl-alt-F1 and back to F7, which normally works until the system
just comes unglued.

So there's apparently 2 layers of problems:

1) xorg clients exceed counts

2) system craps the bed as a result, not able to spawn new applications
via xorg display's

Odd that system level things like simple-locker break when doing so,
simply no longer rendering.  Upon montior wake-up, I'll see my full
desktop, even able to mouse over some things like cairo-dock that
respond to compositing (of which I killed as a test, no kwin/desktop
effects running since boot), but cannot otherwise interact enough to
restart/unlock/reboot the window-manager or system.

Side note, my tty's seem to bind to the non-existent intel sh*t
card/port on the mobo, so even when ctrl-alt-F1, I don't actually get a
term.  I can ssh to it, but have tried this, restarting lightdm just
hangs the system.  Hard reset like a windoze box time.

And it's back for a few days, again.

I really don't think my usage that abnormal, but seems no one else runs
into these things.  Very frustrating.

-mb


On 06/14/2015 08:55 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

Ah, xbmc/kodi seems to be a big reason.

Fired kodi up to catch certain season ending content tonight, and
yeah, took me from 118 xclients before to max after.  At least I got
to watch though.

I tried to launch something after moving it to the background, no
launch, no error, just usual telltale signs of brokenness, so checked...

mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
Maximum number of clients reachedxlsclients:  unable to open display ":0"
0

Thought what changed from an hour ago, nothing more than launching
kodi.  Killed it (kill -9 pids, kodi wouldn't die otherwise), and voila.

mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
118

As usual, probably plugins developed on windoze that doesn't bother to
limit exploit of the os (probably more encouraged by the nsa).  But
hey, at least I know I need to yell at someone there to figure out how
to code it and their plugins properly.

Just an fyi.

Side note, this isn't the ultimate evil it seems but a significant
one.  Tried to launch a gl-based game last night too, and get things
like sdl() failures to spawn a window, so there's something else
getting run-down over time.  Craptastic part is absolutely nothing
errors system-wise, even doing a blanket tail -f on /var/log/*, hoping
something would bark to indicate such.  I still think amd binary
drivers are crap.

-mb


On 06/14/2015 12:33 AM, Michael Butash wrote:

It's gotten *that* unstable lately, it's hardly worse than rebooting
every few days.

-mb




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Re: xorg: Maximum number of clients reached

[Michael Butash]

  
  
And right after, could no longer unlock
  my desktop to get at it, even switch ctrl-alt-F1 and back to F7,
  which normally works until the system just comes unglued.
  
  So there's apparently 2 layers of problems:
  
  1) xorg clients exceed counts
  
  2) system craps the bed as a result, not able to spawn new
  applications via xorg display's
  
  Odd that system level things like simple-locker break when doing
  so, simply no longer rendering.  Upon montior wake-up, I'll see my
  full desktop, even able to mouse over some things like cairo-dock
  that respond to compositing (of which I killed as a test, no
  kwin/desktop effects running since boot), but cannot otherwise
  interact enough to restart/unlock/reboot the window-manager or
  system.
  
  Side note, my tty's seem to bind to the non-existent intel sh*t
  card/port on the mobo, so even when ctrl-alt-F1, I don't actually
  get a term.  I can ssh to it, but have tried this, restarting
  lightdm just hangs the system.  Hard reset like a windoze box
  time.
  
  And it's back for a few days, again.
  
  I really don't think my usage that abnormal, but seems no one else
  runs into these things.  Very frustrating.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 06/14/2015 08:55 PM, Michael Butash wrote:


  
  Ah, xbmc/kodi seems to be a big
reason.

Fired kodi up to catch certain season ending content tonight,
and yeah, took me from 118 xclients before to max after.  At
least I got to watch though.

I tried to launch something after moving it to the background,
no launch, no error, just usual telltale signs of brokenness, so
checked...

mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
Maximum number of clients reachedxlsclients:  unable to open
display ":0"
0

Thought what changed from an hour ago, nothing more than
launching kodi.  Killed it (kill -9 pids, kodi wouldn't die
otherwise), and voila.

mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
118

As usual, probably plugins developed on windoze that doesn't
bother to limit exploit of the os (probably more encouraged by
the nsa).  But hey, at least I know I need to yell at someone
there to figure out how to code it and their plugins properly.

Just an fyi.

Side note, this isn't the ultimate evil it seems but a
significant one.  Tried to launch a gl-based game last night
too, and get things like sdl() failures to spawn a window, so
there's something else getting run-down over time.  Craptastic
part is absolutely nothing errors system-wise, even doing a
blanket tail -f on /var/log/*, hoping something would bark to
indicate such.  I still think amd binary drivers are crap.

-mb


On 06/14/2015 12:33 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
  
  

It's gotten *that* unstable lately, it's hardly worse than
rebooting every few days.
 
  -mb

  
  
  
  
  
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Re: xorg: Maximum number of clients reached

[Michael Butash]

  
  
Ah, xbmc/kodi seems to be a big reason.
  
  Fired kodi up to catch certain season ending content tonight, and
  yeah, took me from 118 xclients before to max after.  At least I
  got to watch though.
  
  I tried to launch something after moving it to the background, no
  launch, no error, just usual telltale signs of brokenness, so
  checked...
  
  mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
  Maximum number of clients reachedxlsclients:  unable to open
  display ":0"
  0
  
  Thought what changed from an hour ago, nothing more than launching
  kodi.  Killed it (kill -9 pids, kodi wouldn't die otherwise), and
  voila.
  
  mb@host:~$ xlsclients -a | sort | wc -l
  118
  
  As usual, probably plugins developed on windoze that doesn't
  bother to limit exploit of the os (probably more encouraged by the
  nsa).  But hey, at least I know I need to yell at someone there to
  figure out how to code it and their plugins properly.
  
  Just an fyi.
  
  Side note, this isn't the ultimate evil it seems but a significant
  one.  Tried to launch a gl-based game last night too, and get
  things like sdl() failures to spawn a window, so there's something
  else getting run-down over time.  Craptastic part is absolutely
  nothing errors system-wise, even doing a blanket tail -f on
  /var/log/*, hoping something would bark to indicate such.  I still
  think amd binary drivers are crap.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 06/14/2015 12:33 AM, Michael Butash wrote:


  
  It's gotten *that* unstable lately, it's hardly worse than
  rebooting every few days.
   
-mb
  


  

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Re: lightening

[Michael Havens]

I just realized something. The surge had to jump two devices to get to my
computer! (modem/router connected to a router (using as switch) connected
to the computer).

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:

>  Poor grounding and circuit isolation.  Probably more common than not
> with the race to make cheaper/self-destructing devices so they can sell you
> another.
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On 06/14/2015 12:41 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
> Yeah I was on my computer during a thunder storm. Bad boy! I fried my
> NIC. Why I am telling you this is the surge went through the modem and
> fried my NIC. How did it bypass the modem? (for more info:
> http://thesimplefromthesimple.blogspot.com/2015/06/toast.html
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Re: lightening

[Michael Butash]

  
  
I doubt it was introduced via an actual
  piece of coax/twisted-pair (dsl) or ethernet anyways, probably
  more a surge in the power lines themselves, and some devices
  reacted more adversely than others.  Could have just been akin to
  an electromagnetic pulse being released as well, or striking a
  transformer much the same tends to wreak havoc on things not
  particularly shielded to EMI.
  
  Did you have some sort of surge suppression on your systems?  Mind
  you, most are likely "surge suppressor" in marketing, I doubt much
  of the cheap chinese crap they produce these days do little to
  suppress anything if actually tested, why I tend to just use a
  decent ups on gaggles of technology around my house.  Cheap enough
  to buy used (craigslist, ebay), and refurb yourself with new
  batteries if you can operate a screwdriver.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 06/14/2015 08:43 AM, Michael Havens wrote:


  I just realized something. The surge had to jump
two devices to get to my computer! (modem/router connected to a
router (using as switch) connected to the computer).
  
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:49 AM,
  Michael Butash 
  wrote:
  

  Poor grounding and circuit isolation.  Probably more
common than not with the race to make
cheaper/self-destructing devices so they can sell you
another.

-mb

  


On 06/14/2015 12:41 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
  

  
  

  
Yeah I was on my computer during
  a thunder storm. Bad boy! I fried my NIC. Why I am
  telling you this is the surge went through the
  modem and fried my NIC. How did it bypass the
  modem? (for more info: http://thesimplefromthesimple.blogspot.com/2015/06/toast.html
  
  
  
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Re: lightening

[Michael Butash]

  
  
Poor grounding and circuit isolation. 
  Probably more common than not with the race to make
  cheaper/self-destructing devices so they can sell you another.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 06/14/2015 12:41 AM, Michael Havens wrote:


  Yeah I was on my computer during a thunder
storm. Bad boy! I fried my NIC. Why I am telling you this is the
surge went through the modem and fried my NIC. How did it bypass
the modem? (for more info: http://thesimplefromthesimple.blogspot.com/2015/06/toast.html



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lightening

[Michael Havens]

Yeah I was on my computer during a thunder storm. Bad boy! I fried my
NIC. Why I am telling you this is the surge went through the modem and
fried my NIC. How did it bypass the modem? (for more info:
http://thesimplefromthesimple.blogspot.com/2015/06/toast.html

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Re: xorg: Maximum number of clients reached

[Michael Butash]

  
  
Biggest problem seems to be the maximum
  framebuffer resolution they seem to bake into cards - kinda why I
  asked what yours reported.  Seems fools that pay that long dollar
  for the really expensive cards don't ever actually run linux to
  post results, nor does any official docs read actual what they
  *do* support under linux.  Why would nvidia actually post real
  working linux results?
  
  Sadly, aforementioned 5800 AMD cards only supported with 6 DP
  ports 8192x8192 framebuffer support (great if using non-hd
  displays), which I could never figure out why wouldn't support a
  single framebuffer until the AMD guy explained it to me with some
  escalation to someone competent.  After, I found most cards won't
  support anything beyond 2-3  displays (ahem, intel) that weren't
  purpose-built for the task.  
  
  Ubuntu at the time was a basketcase to use multiple framebuffers,
  meaning separate $DISPLAY namespaces to bind apps to, and most
  apps would simply come apart if I tried to crash the system.  Even
  carefully launching apps between displays, it seemed the
  system/apps would crash hard within a day.  Scratch.
  
  Long story short, multiple display framebuffers weren't an option
  due to bugs (or lack of anyone conceiving someone might attempt
  this), so it wasn't until I got a card to support a big enough
  framebuffer (amd 6xxx+) did I get any reasonable longevity to
  usage, but still highly buggy with anything actually using gl
  support.  Xinerama support has never been feasible for real use
  imho, breaking all gl support.
  
  I might plunge to try wayland tomorrow.  Was reading about it
  today more, seems kde and other things are building support for it
  into newer releases (kde requires 5.x or better for wayland/weston
  non-hardcoded xorg support), so might be worth an adventure. 
  Worst case I'll fall back to my laptop to work while I kick/beat
  my system to work next week.
  
  It's gotten *that* unstable lately, it's hardly worse than
  rebooting every few days.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 06/14/2015 12:17 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:


  This is a bit of what I had in mind 90 a card. Dual
head. 3 cards for sub 300
  Here is a great deal on the PNY Quadro NVS 310
VCNVS310DVI-PB 512MB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation
Video Card , http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-133-463
I found.
  On Jun 13, 2015 11:53 PM, "Stephen
Partington" 
wrote:

  I think their consumer cards and quadros are
limited to 2 displays. And the nvs line is built for 4. Now
depending on what your system has available you could go
with 3 cheaper desktop cards and run them that way. Makes me
wonder if Matrox is still around doing their thing or not. 
  On Jun 13, 2015 11:43 PM, "Michael
Butash" 
wrote:

  
Interesting note (imho), I went digging around
  nvidia's site today, trying to familiarize myself with
  their line of overpriced video cards aka quadro's. 
  What I found was most of their website doesn't render
  or work properly, half the links were broken, half
  their pdf's didn't download, and in general looks like
  something a 10 year old put together (or me, meh for
  aesthetics).  Wow, you'd think they could afford some
  competent web developers at least.
  
  Sadly seems every card that can do "mosaic" mode,
  including sli to achieve nvidia's qualifications to
  support sli were $500+ used on ebay, needing multiple
  cards of them, in the kepler (K) line of cards or
  better to achieve.  I guess it's one of those
  ymmv/"get what you pay for" sort of things to support
  what I don't necessarily expect should cost me $1000+
  to support my 6 displays, and really not sure even
  that is any better/worse than AMD's support until I
  see it.
  
  Seeing as no one at AMD gives a real darn about real
  linux support (hark! yet another COD windoze game came
  out with broken dx rendering, support!), it might be
  worth the price, but the childish/broken website from
  nvidia makes me loathe to want to invest there either,
  figuring I'll see the same brokenness I see with amd.
  
  -mb
  
   

Re: xorg: Maximum number of clients reached

[Stephen Partington]

This is a bit of what I had in mind 90 a card. Dual head. 3 cards for sub
300

Here is a great deal on the PNY Quadro NVS 310 VCNVS310DVI-PB 512MB 64-bit
DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card ,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-133-463
I found.
On Jun 13, 2015 11:53 PM, "Stephen Partington"  wrote:

> I think their consumer cards and quadros are limited to 2 displays. And
> the nvs line is built for 4. Now depending on what your system has
> available you could go with 3 cheaper desktop cards and run them that way.
> Makes me wonder if Matrox is still around doing their thing or not.
> On Jun 13, 2015 11:43 PM, "Michael Butash"  wrote:
>
>>  Interesting note (imho), I went digging around nvidia's site today,
>> trying to familiarize myself with their line of overpriced video cards aka
>> quadro's.  What I found was most of their website doesn't render or work
>> properly, half the links were broken, half their pdf's didn't download, and
>> in general looks like something a 10 year old put together (or me, meh for
>> aesthetics).  Wow, you'd think they could afford some competent web
>> developers at least.
>>
>> Sadly seems every card that can do "mosaic" mode, including sli to
>> achieve nvidia's qualifications to support sli were $500+ used on ebay,
>> needing multiple cards of them, in the kepler (K) line of cards or better
>> to achieve.  I guess it's one of those ymmv/"get what you pay for" sort of
>> things to support what I don't necessarily expect should cost me $1000+ to
>> support my 6 displays, and really not sure even that is any better/worse
>> than AMD's support until I see it.
>>
>> Seeing as no one at AMD gives a real darn about real linux support (hark!
>> yet another COD windoze game came out with broken dx rendering, support!),
>> it might be worth the price, but the childish/broken website from nvidia
>> makes me loathe to want to invest there either, figuring I'll see the same
>> brokenness I see with amd.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On 06/12/2015 06:45 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>
>> I need to install and check.
>> On Jun 12, 2015 4:20 PM, "Michael Butash"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Stephen, out of curiosity, what does your xrandr show as a max
>>> framebuffer size on your quadro?
>>>
>>> mb@host:~$ xrandr | grep maximum
>>> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 11520 x 1200, maximum 16384 x 16384
>>>
>>> This was a big limiter for me, in the past I couldn't figure out why my
>>> old ATI 5800 card with 6 ports wouldn't support a full, single framebuffer,
>>> but was internally limited to 8192x8192, with the 6xxx+ supporting
>>> 16384x16384.  Xorg wasn't too forthcoming with that info, and it was prior
>>> to xrandr support in their drivers, so totally left me scratching my head
>>> until escalating with AMD support to an engineer with a clue that told me
>>> that.
>>>
>>> With the advent of 4k displays, they still seem limited to that, which
>>> means I can only do 4x wide until vendors give to open that up.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/12/2015 03:55 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>>>
>>> Next time I have an absolute need to upgrade hardware, I plan on
>>> avoiding ati/amd at all costs.  After dealing with them for a good 5 years
>>> as the only real viable option to run my displays, only to be wrought with
>>> constant disappointment, problems, and frustration.  Buying highly
>>> overpriced quadro cards might be money well spent at this point, but I
>>> still despise nvidia that they're really little other than rebranded, and
>>> marked-up normal video cards with driver-locked (to bios-id) features.
>>>
>>> That said, going to set up some ebay agents to look for decent quadro's
>>> to snipe.  I had good luck getting my last few amd cards that way on the
>>> cheap, gotta love jbidwatcher for cheating some other person with a
>>> last-second bid.
>>>
>>> Thanks as always for the input Stephen.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/12/2015 03:20 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have almost given up on ATI, if i want just multiple screens i would
>>> look into the Quadro NVS cards. Such as the NVS 510 or the K1200. They may
>>> be very proprietary to get running, but my success with Nvidia cards in
>>> both linux and windows really makes it worthwhile. These cards will only do
>>> a single monitor, but they are cheap enough to run 2 cards with reasonable
>>> usability. or one NVS and one more Gamer friendly card.
>>>
>>>
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Re: xorg: Maximum number of clients reached

[Michael Butash]

  
  
Hah, I thought about that, matrox and
  their old crappy pci cards with many display ports.  They never
  supported linux for anything, nor did anything 3d to save their
  life with any performance, even under windoze xp, so I don't
  expect they'd like any sort of modern compositor which any linux
  is hell-bent to insist on.
  
  I was eyeing the nvs line, as those kept turning up under ebay
  searches for quadro's at a not insane price, but seems for mosaic
  mode you need keplers, most only had 3-4 ports on each, which is
  what amd's eyefiniti feature does.  I can get asus amd cards with
  6 ports still, without the insane "workstation" price, if only
  their drivers didn't suck so much.  I think even amd gave up on
  selling overpriced firegl cards, but somehow nvidia still thinks
  the world is their oyster.
  
  If I weren't so spoiled by devices of my own creation, I'd
  probably just back to 2-3 displays for stability, but I enjoy the
  stereo vision of wrap-around monitors, even if it does bring out
  my ADHD.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 06/13/2015 11:53 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:


  I think their consumer cards and quadros are limited
to 2 displays. And the nvs line is built for 4. Now depending on
what your system has available you could go with 3 cheaper
desktop cards and run them that way. Makes me wonder if Matrox
is still around doing their thing or not. 
  On Jun 13, 2015 11:43 PM, "Michael
Butash" 
wrote:

  
Interesting note (imho), I went digging around nvidia's
  site today, trying to familiarize myself with their line
  of overpriced video cards aka quadro's.  What I found was
  most of their website doesn't render or work properly,
  half the links were broken, half their pdf's didn't
  download, and in general looks like something a 10 year
  old put together (or me, meh for aesthetics).  Wow, you'd
  think they could afford some competent web developers at
  least.
  
  Sadly seems every card that can do "mosaic" mode,
  including sli to achieve nvidia's qualifications to
  support sli were $500+ used on ebay, needing multiple
  cards of them, in the kepler (K) line of cards or better
  to achieve.  I guess it's one of those ymmv/"get what you
  pay for" sort of things to support what I don't
  necessarily expect should cost me $1000+ to support my 6
  displays, and really not sure even that is any
  better/worse than AMD's support until I see it.
  
  Seeing as no one at AMD gives a real darn about real linux
  support (hark! yet another COD windoze game came out with
  broken dx rendering, support!), it might be worth the
  price, but the childish/broken website from nvidia makes
  me loathe to want to invest there either, figuring I'll
  see the same brokenness I see with amd.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 06/12/2015 06:45 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:


  I need to install and check. 
  On Jun 12, 2015 4:20 PM, "Michael
Butash" 

wrote:

  
Stephen, out of curiosity, what does your
  xrandr show as a max framebuffer size on your
  quadro?
  
  mb@host:~$ xrandr | grep maximum
  Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 11520 x 1200,
  maximum 16384 x 16384
  
  This was a big limiter for me, in the past I
  couldn't figure out why my old ATI 5800 card with
  6 ports wouldn't support a full, single
  framebuffer, but was internally limited to
  8192x8192, with the 6xxx+ supporting 16384x16384. 
  Xorg wasn't too forthcoming with that info, and it
  was prior to xrandr support in their drivers, so
  totally left me scratching my head until
  escalating with AMD support to an engineer with a
  clue that told me that.
  
  With the advent of 4k displays, they still seem
  limited to that, which means I can only do 4x wide
  until vendors give to open that up.
  
  Thanks!
  
  -mb