RE: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Carruth, Rusty 
Well, I had a scheme a while back to get away completely from this sort
of stuff, sort of.


The idea was a roof-top (router) box with up to 8 directional 'couplers'
that would connect with your neighbors, at 100Mbs or higher on each of
the 8 directions (and probably gig-e or faster down to the house).  

 

That would tie you and your neighbors together.  You go together and
share a fat pipe to the rest of the world, but as each neighborhood does
this, they connect to THEIR neighbors and so forth, until the majority
of traffic can go rooftop to rooftop, avoiding the standard path
entirely.

 

Yes, there are some (LARGE J) latency issues and the routing table could
get very interesting, but the hardware is ready now...

 

Oh, well, it never got off the ground.

 

Rusty

 

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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread der.hans 

Am 13. Mai, 2014 schwätzte Michael Butash so:

moin moin,

Tempe is sitting on a bunch of fiber. Maybe google is negotiating for
access to that.

I believe the fiber is mostly just in the downtown area. Tempe was putting
in fiber as part of construction contracts years ago. I don't know if
they've continued that practice.

ciao,

der.hans

I'm curious to see the logistics of a company trying to move in and retrofit 
a city for something like fiber.  There's a reason there's really 2 players, 
cox and $mini-bell, they built before things were covered in concrete. I've 
worked for cox and seen that cities can take months to return permits 
(mesa/tempe was the worst) for any construction, which will be required amass 
to deliver anything like that.


New areas will always be prioritized, but for most of phoenix that is 
land-locked and built already, it doesn't mean much for expediency to get 
their google fiber in-town to incumbent areas with tons of dead-weight 
bureaucrats to sit on the permit orders waiting for a pension to kick in.


More competition is better, but I don't think cox is immediately worried with 
shielded coax delivering gigabit speeds soon (plus they are looking to 
replace coax with fiber too), and centurylink is in the same boat as google 
needing to replace dated 2-wire infrastructure with fiber as DSL is hitting 
its limits for year.


If they're smart, they'll work off of each other and just get us composite 
dwdm to our houses at some point.  PON networks seem a bit janky still after 
having built real transport networks.


-mb


On 05/13/2014 10:48 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:

A vpn will make the usage anonymous, but not give you more or less.

And Google fiber is why my move is specifically staying in Tempe :-)






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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Eric Oyen 
about all a VPN does is to keep your traffic private. The ISP's don't have any 
business prying into what data crosses their network to your computer. We can 
already see that with comcast: forcing content vendors to pay extra fees just 
to make sure that the content is streamed in real time. 

Now, earlier this year, I had to move quite a lot of data into a backup 
service. Did the ISP have any business knowing what was in it? no. Then again, 
what is to stop them unless you encrypt the traffic.

The way I see it is this: I pay for access to the net and I expect that access 
to be secure from anyone who has no permissions to look at it. Electronically, 
I am exercising my rights to privacy (or at least as much as I can on the net).

anyway, thats my 2 cents worth. 

-eric

On May 13, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:

> A vpn will make the usage anonymous, but not give you more or less.
> 
> And Google fiber is why my move is specifically staying in Tempe :-)
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:22 AM, AZ Pete  wrote:
> 
>> I use Strong VPN and have been very happy with it.
>> http://www.strongvpn.com/
>> 
>> This is also worth a look.
>> http://www.vpngate.net/en/
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/13/2014 7:48 AM, Quan Nguyen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Anyone using any paid Vpn to avoid being throttled
>> 
>> 
>> Quan
>> 
>> On May 13, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Derek Trotter 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  I hear Google fiber is coming to town.  At least they will provide an
>> alternative to Cox.
>> 
>> On 05/12/2014 10:21 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>> 
>> 300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I don't
>> think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
>> And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.  "Home
>> Office" business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month and need to
>> apparently upgrade to a full business one or they may just drop me. They've
>> gotten greedy
>> 
>> Phil W.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
>>> is there way to work around?
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
>>> Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification
>>> 
>>> Dear Quan Nguyen,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!
>>> 
>>> We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data
>>> usage, and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package
>>> includes a data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household
>>> has used 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.
>>> 
>>> Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account
>>> and checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:
>>> 
>>> https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox
>>> 
>>> thank
>>> 
>>> Quan
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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Michael Butash 
I'm curious to see the logistics of a company trying to move in and 
retrofit a city for something like fiber.  There's a reason there's 
really 2 players, cox and $mini-bell, they built before things were 
covered in concrete. I've worked for cox and seen that cities can take 
months to return permits (mesa/tempe was the worst) for any 
construction, which will be required amass to deliver anything like that.


New areas will always be prioritized, but for most of phoenix that is 
land-locked and built already, it doesn't mean much for expediency to 
get their google fiber in-town to incumbent areas with tons of 
dead-weight bureaucrats to sit on the permit orders waiting for a 
pension to kick in.


More competition is better, but I don't think cox is immediately worried 
with shielded coax delivering gigabit speeds soon (plus they are looking 
to replace coax with fiber too), and centurylink is in the same boat as 
google needing to replace dated 2-wire infrastructure with fiber as DSL 
is hitting its limits for year.


If they're smart, they'll work off of each other and just get us 
composite dwdm to our houses at some point.  PON networks seem a bit 
janky still after having built real transport networks.


-mb


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A vpn will make the usage anonymous, but not give you more or less.

And Google fiber is why my move is specifically staying in Tempe :-)



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RE: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Carruth, Rusty 
Don't know for sure about influence, but I just signed up for updates on the 
progress.

And, in fact, I recommend anyone else so interested do the same - the more 
people who sign up for updates the more they will figure they could make money 
on it...


-Original Message-
...

On 2014-05-13 07:40, Derek Trotter wrote:
> I hear Google fiber is coming to town.  At least they will provide an 
> alternative to Cox.

IIRC, they were looking at Tempe and possibly Chandler.  "Looking at", not 
"committed to".  It'd be nice if Cox had some competition, but the decision is 
probably not one that any of us can influence.  I don't think they'd put fiber 
through all of the Phoenix metro area either, since there's so much area to 
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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Matt Graham 

On 05/12/2014 10:21 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.
They've gotten greedy


When you're a monopoly, you can/will do this.  Sigh.

On 2014-05-13 07:40, Derek Trotter wrote:

I hear Google fiber is coming to town.  At least they will provide an
alternative to Cox.


IIRC, they were looking at Tempe and possibly Chandler.  "Looking at", 
not "committed to".  It'd be nice if Cox had some competition, but the 
decision is probably not one that any of us can influence.  I don't 
think they'd put fiber through all of the Phoenix metro area either, 
since there's so much area to cover.


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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Stephen Partington 
A vpn will make the usage anonymous, but not give you more or less.

And Google fiber is why my move is specifically staying in Tempe :-)


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:22 AM, AZ Pete  wrote:

>  I use Strong VPN and have been very happy with it.
> http://www.strongvpn.com/
>
> This is also worth a look.
> http://www.vpngate.net/en/
>
>
>  On 5/13/2014 7:48 AM, Quan Nguyen wrote:
>
>
> Anyone using any paid Vpn to avoid being throttled
>
>
> Quan
>
> On May 13, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Derek Trotter 
> wrote:
>
>   I hear Google fiber is coming to town.  At least they will provide an
> alternative to Cox.
>
>  On 05/12/2014 10:21 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>
> 300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I don't
> think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
> And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.  "Home
> Office" business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month and need to
> apparently upgrade to a full business one or they may just drop me. They've
> gotten greedy
>
>  Phil W.
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen  wrote:
>
>>  Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
>> is there way to work around?
>>
>>  -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
>>  Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification
>>
>>  Dear Quan Nguyen,
>>
>>  Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!
>>
>>  We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data
>> usage, and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package
>> includes a data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household
>> has used 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.
>>
>>  Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account
>> and checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:
>>
>>  https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox
>>
>>  thank
>>
>>  Quan
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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread AZ Pete 

I use Strong VPN and have been very happy with it.
http://www.strongvpn.com/

This is also worth a look.
http://www.vpngate.net/en/


On 5/13/2014 7:48 AM, Quan Nguyen wrote:


Anyone using any paid Vpn to avoid being throttled


Quan

On May 13, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Derek Trotter mailto:expat.arizo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I hear Google fiber is coming to town.  At least they will provide an 
alternative to Cox.

On 05/12/2014 10:21 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I don't 
think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.  "Home Office" 
business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month and need to apparently upgrade to 
a full business one or they may just drop me. They've gotten greedy

Phil W.


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen mailto:nguyen...@cox.net>> wrote:

Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
is there way to work around?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) mailto:nore...@cox.net>>
Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification

Dear Quan Nguyen,

Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!

We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data usage, 
and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package includes a data 
plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household has used 300 
Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.

Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account and 
checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:

https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox

thank

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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Bob Elzer 
A VPN would still use your data allocation.
On May 13, 2014 7:48 AM, "Quan Nguyen"  wrote:

>
> Anyone using any paid Vpn to avoid being throttled
>
>
> Quan
>
> On May 13, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Derek Trotter 
> wrote:
>
> I hear Google fiber is coming to town.  At least they will provide an
> alternative to Cox.
>
>  On 05/12/2014 10:21 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>
> 300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I don't
> think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
> And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.  "Home
> Office" business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month and need to
> apparently upgrade to a full business one or they may just drop me. They've
> gotten greedy
>
>  Phil W.
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen  wrote:
>
>>  Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
>> is there way to work around?
>>
>>  -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
>>  Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification
>>
>>  Dear Quan Nguyen,
>>
>>  Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!
>>
>>  We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data
>> usage, and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package
>> includes a data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household
>> has used 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.
>>
>>  Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account
>> and checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:
>>
>>  https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox
>>
>>  thank
>>
>>  Quan
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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Quan Nguyen 

Anyone using any paid Vpn to avoid being throttled


Quan

> On May 13, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Derek Trotter  wrote:
> 
> I hear Google fiber is coming to town.  At least they will provide an 
> alternative to Cox.
> 
>> On 05/12/2014 10:21 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>> 300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I don't 
>> think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
>> And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.  "Home 
>> Office" business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month and need to 
>> apparently upgrade to a full business one or they may just drop me. They've 
>> gotten greedy
>> 
>> Phil W.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen  wrote:
>>> Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
>>> is there way to work around?
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
>>> Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification
>>> 
>>> Dear Quan Nguyen,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!
>>> 
>>> We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data usage, 
>>> and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package includes a 
>>> data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household has used 
>>> 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.
>>> 
>>> Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account and 
>>> checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:
>>> 
>>> https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox
>>> 
>>> thank
>>> 
>>> Quan
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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Derek Trotter 
I hear Google fiber is coming to town. At least they will provide an 
alternative to Cox.


On 05/12/2014 10:21 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I 
don't think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts. 
 "Home Office" business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month 
and need to apparently upgrade to a full business one or they may just 
drop me. They've gotten greedy


Phil W.


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen > wrote:


Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
is there way to work around?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) mailto:nore...@cox.net>>
Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification

Dear Quan Nguyen,

Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!

We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly
data usage, and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet
package includes a data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05,
2014, your household has used 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the
current billing cycle.

Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your
account and checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:

https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox

thank

Quan

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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Stephen Partington 
I was getting these monthly while on premier. But i have about 6 people at
any given time pulling data, Gaming, Streaming video, ect. so i would pop
my cap  pretty readily, pushing upwards of 450GB/month.

If your router/firewall supports it turn on metering and watch where you
pull data and how. If there is a client you don't recognize then you might
want to kick it off your network to see.

I actually increased my service because i use the data, and want the extra
speed, but not because of their email. Right now it is only a notification,
but i imagine new service will eventually have a surcharge associated with
it. and then pushing people of into a fully metered service, much like
mobile providers.


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> it depends on the tier you are paying for. I get 250 GB a month here and
> (with the exception of january and february) I have yet to even get close
> to that amount.
>
> Right now, these notices are only advisory in nature. However, at some
> point, they will start enforcing the caps. Until that happens, All I can
> say is keep an eye on the situation.
>
> -eric
>
> On May 12, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen wrote:
>
> > Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
> > is there way to work around?
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
> > Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification
> >
> > Dear Quan Nguyen,
> >
> > Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!
> >
> > We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data
> usage,
> > and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package includes a
> > data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household has used
> > 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.
> >
> > Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account
> and
> > checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:
> >
> > https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox
> >
> > thank
> >
> > Quan
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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-13 Thread Eric Oyen 
it depends on the tier you are paying for. I get 250 GB a month here and (with 
the exception of january and february) I have yet to even get close to that 
amount.

Right now, these notices are only advisory in nature. However, at some point, 
they will start enforcing the caps. Until that happens, All I can say is keep 
an eye on the situation.

-eric

On May 12, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen wrote:

> Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
> is there way to work around?
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
> Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification
> 
> Dear Quan Nguyen,
> 
> Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!
> 
> We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data usage,
> and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package includes a
> data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household has used
> 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.
> 
> Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account and
> checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:
> 
> https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox
> 
> thank
> 
> Quan
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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-12 Thread der.hans 

Am 12. Mai, 2014 schwätzte Phil Waclawski so:


300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I don't
think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.  "Home
Office" business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month and need to
apparently upgrade to a full business one or they may just drop me. They've
gotten greedy


gotten?

ciao,

der.hans


Phil W.


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Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
is there way to work around?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification

Dear Quan Nguyen,

Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!

We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data usage,
and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package includes a
data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household has used
300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.

Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account
and checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:

 https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox

thank

Quan

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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-12 Thread der.hans 

Am 12. Mai, 2014 schwätzte Quan Nguyen so:

Are you actually using that much data? No need to tell us, but if it
doesn't fit your bandwidth use check for other traffic on your network.

ciao,

der.hans


Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
is there way to work around?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification

Dear Quan Nguyen,

Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!

We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data usage,
and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package includes a
data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household has used
300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.

Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account and
checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:

https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox

thank

Quan



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Re: Cox Data Usage Notification

2014-05-12 Thread Phil Waclawski 
300 Gigabytes?  That's a bit over 10gigs a day for a home account? I don't
think I could ever download that many distros in a month ;)
And I noticed as of May 1 they changed a lot of their contracts.  "Home
Office" business accounts are gone, I'm now on a month to month and need to
apparently upgrade to a full business one or they may just drop me. They've
gotten greedy

Phil W.


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Quan Nguyen  wrote:

> Anyone getting Cox Data Usage Notification from Cox.
> is there way to work around?
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Cox Internet Support Team (no reply) 
> Subject: Cox Data Usage Notification
>
> Dear Quan Nguyen,
>
> Thank you for choosing Cox, we appreciate your business!
>
> We have provided notice to you recently regarding your monthly data usage,
> and as a reminder your current Cox High Speed Internet package includes a
> data plan of 250 Gigabytes.  As of May 05, 2014, your household has used
> 300 Gigabytes of usage data in the current billing cycle.
>
> Remember that you can view your data usage by logging into your account
> and checking your data usage meter in Internet Tools:
>
>  https://myaccount.cox.net/internettools/datausage/usage.cox
>
> thank
>
> Quan
>
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