Re: ubuntu and kvm

2015-07-31 Thread Kevin Fries
Discover Vagrant and watch your happiness factor go through the roof.  I
don't do VMs any longer without it.  Lately been coupling it with Docker to
build apps for my Kubernetes cluster... swwt!

Kevin
On Jul 31, 2015 8:50 PM, "Amy Nielsen"  wrote:

> I got so fed up that I put crunch bang on here instead, and now I can run
> my vm's with both virtual box and vmware.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:
>
>> I ditched the buntus also about 2 years ago.  Had enough, and Unity just
>> sucks.  Not loving what Gnome has been doing lately to Gnome Shell either.
>> So my latest is Arch, with KDE5 Plasma... KDE started to annoy me, but the
>> activities desktops and yaquake are really starting to make me so much more
>> productive.
>>
>> But, back to the VMs...
>>
>> My company issued me a Windows7 desktop, and in a moment of insanity...
>> gave me admin rights.   I used to run Arch in a VM to do development work
>> in, then ssh'd to the servers.  I discovered MobaXTerm, and it made the
>> entire experience tolerable.
>>
>> Eventually, they issued me a Windows7 VM, and the Windows on my desktop
>> just became redundant.  So I pushed it to the side and installed Arch as
>> the primary booting OS.  For virtualizing Linux processes (i.e. to try out
>> something without polluting my day to day machine) I use Docker
>> Containers.  To run Windows processes, I have dedicated one of my four
>> desktops, on my default activity to Windows.  It runs that VM instance IT
>> set up for me, full screen using rdesktop and SeamlessRDP.  PERFECT!  Now
>> my regular desktop, and VM, are seamlessly integrated.
>>
>> The most fun was when our desktop admin asked me one day to pull
>> something up on my desktop... I knew that meant in Windows, which is on
>> desktop 1, and I was on Desktop 4.  CTRL->ALT->LEFT->UP and snap, I had the
>> desktop up... the screens flipped so quickly our a desktop admin almost got
>> dizzy.  I think he is now afraid of my desktop... ha ha ha ha
>>
>> Good Luck, but to the OP, I would ditch Ubuntu until they get their s
>> together.
>>
>> Kevin
>> On May 14, 2015 1:33 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Your experience generally sums up every attempt I've made at making
>>> things work with any of the *buntu versions. I have spent enough time to
>>> get really frustrated with it and eventually go to something else.
>>>
>>> For a short time I was concerned because Fedora was too unstable with
>>> systemd, ubuntu just sucks for everything beyond running from a live disc
>>> (and even that half the time), and openSuSE while awesome would suddenly
>>> crap out after a few reboots. Never really figured that one out and was
>>> really disappointed.
>>>
>>> Finally with Fedora 21 things are stable again. F20 got better later in
>>> its life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-05-13 17:31, Michael Butash wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the comments from Stephen and James.

 This has unfortunately been a very frustrating experience, having
 tried VirtualBox, KVM, and now even VMware Workstation, just try to
 get something working, and each is fubar for some reason under ubuntu.

 Virtualbox always works well, but for some reason won't import the
 disk (some kind of uuid issue reading the disk image).
 KVM packages just seem broken under ubuntu, as does apparmor (as usual).
 VMware Workstation/Player 11 does nothing but give me "permission
 denied" when trying to make a vm as a user, then as root tells me
 there is no space left with 40gb in the volume.

 I haven't seen this many f'd up package or app installs under ubuntu
 in a while, though I expect it of VMware - they can't make linux
 clients to save their life.  KVM I was surprised to see it's as much a
 basketcase under ubuntu as it was.  Seems if people use it, they do so
 with the rh variants, for a reason.

 All I wanted was a stupid F5 load-balancer virtual appliance to run to
 lab, instead 3 days wasted.  Ugh.

 Thanks again all.

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Re: ubuntu and kvm

2015-07-31 Thread Amy Nielsen
I got so fed up that I put crunch bang on here instead, and now I can run
my vm's with both virtual box and vmware.

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:

> I ditched the buntus also about 2 years ago.  Had enough, and Unity just
> sucks.  Not loving what Gnome has been doing lately to Gnome Shell either.
> So my latest is Arch, with KDE5 Plasma... KDE started to annoy me, but the
> activities desktops and yaquake are really starting to make me so much more
> productive.
>
> But, back to the VMs...
>
> My company issued me a Windows7 desktop, and in a moment of insanity...
> gave me admin rights.   I used to run Arch in a VM to do development work
> in, then ssh'd to the servers.  I discovered MobaXTerm, and it made the
> entire experience tolerable.
>
> Eventually, they issued me a Windows7 VM, and the Windows on my desktop
> just became redundant.  So I pushed it to the side and installed Arch as
> the primary booting OS.  For virtualizing Linux processes (i.e. to try out
> something without polluting my day to day machine) I use Docker
> Containers.  To run Windows processes, I have dedicated one of my four
> desktops, on my default activity to Windows.  It runs that VM instance IT
> set up for me, full screen using rdesktop and SeamlessRDP.  PERFECT!  Now
> my regular desktop, and VM, are seamlessly integrated.
>
> The most fun was when our desktop admin asked me one day to pull something
> up on my desktop... I knew that meant in Windows, which is on desktop 1,
> and I was on Desktop 4.  CTRL->ALT->LEFT->UP and snap, I had the desktop
> up... the screens flipped so quickly our a desktop admin almost got dizzy.
> I think he is now afraid of my desktop... ha ha ha ha
>
> Good Luck, but to the OP, I would ditch Ubuntu until they get their s
> together.
>
> Kevin
> On May 14, 2015 1:33 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Your experience generally sums up every attempt I've made at making
>> things work with any of the *buntu versions. I have spent enough time to
>> get really frustrated with it and eventually go to something else.
>>
>> For a short time I was concerned because Fedora was too unstable with
>> systemd, ubuntu just sucks for everything beyond running from a live disc
>> (and even that half the time), and openSuSE while awesome would suddenly
>> crap out after a few reboots. Never really figured that one out and was
>> really disappointed.
>>
>> Finally with Fedora 21 things are stable again. F20 got better later in
>> its life.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-05-13 17:31, Michael Butash wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the comments from Stephen and James.
>>>
>>> This has unfortunately been a very frustrating experience, having
>>> tried VirtualBox, KVM, and now even VMware Workstation, just try to
>>> get something working, and each is fubar for some reason under ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Virtualbox always works well, but for some reason won't import the
>>> disk (some kind of uuid issue reading the disk image).
>>> KVM packages just seem broken under ubuntu, as does apparmor (as usual).
>>> VMware Workstation/Player 11 does nothing but give me "permission
>>> denied" when trying to make a vm as a user, then as root tells me
>>> there is no space left with 40gb in the volume.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen this many f'd up package or app installs under ubuntu
>>> in a while, though I expect it of VMware - they can't make linux
>>> clients to save their life.  KVM I was surprised to see it's as much a
>>> basketcase under ubuntu as it was.  Seems if people use it, they do so
>>> with the rh variants, for a reason.
>>>
>>> All I wanted was a stupid F5 load-balancer virtual appliance to run to
>>> lab, instead 3 days wasted.  Ugh.
>>>
>>> Thanks again all.
>>>
>>> -mb
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Re: ubuntu and kvm

2015-05-14 Thread Kevin Fries
I ditched the buntus also about 2 years ago.  Had enough, and Unity just
sucks.  Not loving what Gnome has been doing lately to Gnome Shell either.
So my latest is Arch, with KDE5 Plasma... KDE started to annoy me, but the
activities desktops and yaquake are really starting to make me so much more
productive.

But, back to the VMs...

My company issued me a Windows7 desktop, and in a moment of insanity...
gave me admin rights.   I used to run Arch in a VM to do development work
in, then ssh'd to the servers.  I discovered MobaXTerm, and it made the
entire experience tolerable.

Eventually, they issued me a Windows7 VM, and the Windows on my desktop
just became redundant.  So I pushed it to the side and installed Arch as
the primary booting OS.  For virtualizing Linux processes (i.e. to try out
something without polluting my day to day machine) I use Docker
Containers.  To run Windows processes, I have dedicated one of my four
desktops, on my default activity to Windows.  It runs that VM instance IT
set up for me, full screen using rdesktop and SeamlessRDP.  PERFECT!  Now
my regular desktop, and VM, are seamlessly integrated.

The most fun was when our desktop admin asked me one day to pull something
up on my desktop... I knew that meant in Windows, which is on desktop 1,
and I was on Desktop 4.  CTRL->ALT->LEFT->UP and snap, I had the desktop
up... the screens flipped so quickly our a desktop admin almost got dizzy.
I think he is now afraid of my desktop... ha ha ha ha

Good Luck, but to the OP, I would ditch Ubuntu until they get their s
together.

Kevin
On May 14, 2015 1:33 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:

>
> Your experience generally sums up every attempt I've made at making things
> work with any of the *buntu versions. I have spent enough time to get
> really frustrated with it and eventually go to something else.
>
> For a short time I was concerned because Fedora was too unstable with
> systemd, ubuntu just sucks for everything beyond running from a live disc
> (and even that half the time), and openSuSE while awesome would suddenly
> crap out after a few reboots. Never really figured that one out and was
> really disappointed.
>
> Finally with Fedora 21 things are stable again. F20 got better later in
> its life.
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-05-13 17:31, Michael Butash wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the comments from Stephen and James.
>>
>> This has unfortunately been a very frustrating experience, having
>> tried VirtualBox, KVM, and now even VMware Workstation, just try to
>> get something working, and each is fubar for some reason under ubuntu.
>>
>> Virtualbox always works well, but for some reason won't import the
>> disk (some kind of uuid issue reading the disk image).
>> KVM packages just seem broken under ubuntu, as does apparmor (as usual).
>> VMware Workstation/Player 11 does nothing but give me "permission
>> denied" when trying to make a vm as a user, then as root tells me
>> there is no space left with 40gb in the volume.
>>
>> I haven't seen this many f'd up package or app installs under ubuntu
>> in a while, though I expect it of VMware - they can't make linux
>> clients to save their life.  KVM I was surprised to see it's as much a
>> basketcase under ubuntu as it was.  Seems if people use it, they do so
>> with the rh variants, for a reason.
>>
>> All I wanted was a stupid F5 load-balancer virtual appliance to run to
>> lab, instead 3 days wasted.  Ugh.
>>
>> Thanks again all.
>>
>> -mb
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Re: ubuntu and kvm

2015-05-14 Thread Nathan England


Your experience generally sums up every attempt I've made at making 
things work with any of the *buntu versions. I have spent enough time to 
get really frustrated with it and eventually go to something else.


For a short time I was concerned because Fedora was too unstable with 
systemd, ubuntu just sucks for everything beyond running from a live 
disc (and even that half the time), and openSuSE while awesome would 
suddenly crap out after a few reboots. Never really figured that one out 
and was really disappointed.


Finally with Fedora 21 things are stable again. F20 got better later in 
its life.





On 2015-05-13 17:31, Michael Butash wrote:

Thanks for the comments from Stephen and James.

This has unfortunately been a very frustrating experience, having
tried VirtualBox, KVM, and now even VMware Workstation, just try to
get something working, and each is fubar for some reason under ubuntu.

Virtualbox always works well, but for some reason won't import the
disk (some kind of uuid issue reading the disk image).
KVM packages just seem broken under ubuntu, as does apparmor (as 
usual).

VMware Workstation/Player 11 does nothing but give me "permission
denied" when trying to make a vm as a user, then as root tells me
there is no space left with 40gb in the volume.

I haven't seen this many f'd up package or app installs under ubuntu
in a while, though I expect it of VMware - they can't make linux
clients to save their life.  KVM I was surprised to see it's as much a
basketcase under ubuntu as it was.  Seems if people use it, they do so
with the rh variants, for a reason.

All I wanted was a stupid F5 load-balancer virtual appliance to run to
lab, instead 3 days wasted.  Ugh.

Thanks again all.

-mb
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Re: ubuntu and kvm

2015-05-13 Thread Michael Butash

Thanks for the comments from Stephen and James.

This has unfortunately been a very frustrating experience, having tried 
VirtualBox, KVM, and now even VMware Workstation, just try to get 
something working, and each is fubar for some reason under ubuntu.


Virtualbox always works well, but for some reason won't import the disk 
(some kind of uuid issue reading the disk image).

KVM packages just seem broken under ubuntu, as does apparmor (as usual).
VMware Workstation/Player 11 does nothing but give me "permission 
denied" when trying to make a vm as a user, then as root tells me there 
is no space left with 40gb in the volume.


I haven't seen this many f'd up package or app installs under ubuntu in 
a while, though I expect it of VMware - they can't make linux clients to 
save their life.  KVM I was surprised to see it's as much a basketcase 
under ubuntu as it was.  Seems if people use it, they do so with the rh 
variants, for a reason.


All I wanted was a stupid F5 load-balancer virtual appliance to run to 
lab, instead 3 days wasted.  Ugh.


Thanks again all.

-mb
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Re: ubuntu and kvm

2015-05-13 Thread James Crawford
I have not tried on the ubuntu, but I have several Cent 5 and 6 hosts, 
running various cent guests, and a windows instances.


Most of my interaction with the linux hosts is via ssh, but did some gui 
access of the guests while setting them up.


The Windows instance is normal accessed via remote Desktop, but again we 
have used VM Manager  to access it also.

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Re: ubuntu and kvm

2015-05-13 Thread Stephen Partington
I had some very strange issues running qemu/kvm with ubuntu, lacked the
time to track it down and had to move on to a different solution. I cannot
say it was qmeu/kvm or what, but that whole project was scrapped.

MAde me sad too, because proxmox and ceph were exceeding neat to manage.
but if my VM's get wonky and have issues then i cannot use that solution.

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:21 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> Curious if anyone is using (successfully) ubuntu 14.04 with kvm,
> virt-manager, qemu, spice, etc.
>
> I ask because out of frustration with commercial vendors not supporting
> virtualbox (meh oracle, can't blame em), and finally trying kvm now as they
> have an image for that, just to launch this darn thing.  KVM is pretty new
> to me, or modern iterations of it, and it incessantly refuses to import or
> build a vm, seemingly due to an issue with this spice reporting it's not
> built in.  Seemed an easy enough install on the surface
>
> Did some research, spice as the graphic acceleration for console video was
> new to me, seems more of a pain than worth, but I can't seem to work around
> it and simply not use it.  The module is there, yet the binary reports it's
> not, no one else complains on teh googles since 12.04 with the last major
> bug, but this simply refuses to work.  The old references from 12.04 just
> indicate it had to symlink a different binary, the scripts were just broken
> with hard references, but that isn't the case.  This simply says spice
> isn't built into it, when every other thing seems to indicate it is.
>
> Tracking it back, some suggestions were to use the vnc lib vs. spice, and
> that starts complaining that I think ubuntu screwed up the apparmor profile
> as it's denying when I attempt the vnc display profile.  Removing apparmor
> just breaks libvirt and causes a segfault internally without apparmor hook
> completion.  I ended up wasting a better part of today, and finally giving
> up in frustration, just to get a stinking f5 load-balancer appliance to
> boot.
>
> Ugh.  Starting to hate ubuntu again, and f5.
>
> Anyone at all use ubuntu 14.04 with kvm successfully with or without these
> quirks?  Weird I don't see any trace of the same issues from others, but
> really can't see how this is something I did wrong following from a few
> diff "how to" guides on ubuntu 14.04 was was just installing packages and a
> re-login for group perms.
>
> -mb
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ubuntu and kvm

2015-05-13 Thread Michael Butash
Curious if anyone is using (successfully) ubuntu 14.04 with kvm, 
virt-manager, qemu, spice, etc.


I ask because out of frustration with commercial vendors not supporting 
virtualbox (meh oracle, can't blame em), and finally trying kvm now as 
they have an image for that, just to launch this darn thing.  KVM is 
pretty new to me, or modern iterations of it, and it incessantly refuses 
to import or build a vm, seemingly due to an issue with this spice 
reporting it's not built in.  Seemed an easy enough install on the 
surface


Did some research, spice as the graphic acceleration for console video 
was new to me, seems more of a pain than worth, but I can't seem to work 
around it and simply not use it.  The module is there, yet the binary 
reports it's not, no one else complains on teh googles since 12.04 with 
the last major bug, but this simply refuses to work.  The old references 
from 12.04 just indicate it had to symlink a different binary, the 
scripts were just broken with hard references, but that isn't the case.  
This simply says spice isn't built into it, when every other thing seems 
to indicate it is.


Tracking it back, some suggestions were to use the vnc lib vs. spice, 
and that starts complaining that I think ubuntu screwed up the apparmor 
profile as it's denying when I attempt the vnc display profile.  
Removing apparmor just breaks libvirt and causes a segfault internally 
without apparmor hook completion.  I ended up wasting a better part of 
today, and finally giving up in frustration, just to get a stinking f5 
load-balancer appliance to boot.


Ugh.  Starting to hate ubuntu again, and f5.

Anyone at all use ubuntu 14.04 with kvm successfully with or without 
these quirks?  Weird I don't see any trace of the same issues from 
others, but really can't see how this is something I did wrong following 
from a few diff "how to" guides on ubuntu 14.04 was was just installing 
packages and a re-login for group perms.


-mb
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