Linux (and Related classes) at MCC

2007-08-10 Thread Phillip Waclawski


Linux (and related) Classes at MCC This Fall
(Taught by Phil Waclawski)

CIS126DL  Linux OS Section 7053  MW 5:20-7:00pm
   Start off by learning the power of the linux command line, then 
install your own copy of CentOS 5 and continue to learn the power of 
the command line (with some of the GUI stuff thrown in of course ;). 
Including setting up users/groups, sudo, yum repositories, basic 
security concepts, introduction to shell scripting and much much more!
You need to provide a 10Gig or bigger IDE/EIDE HD, we provide the HD 
bays and CD's.

(In the Spring we will be offering CIS226AL, Internet Server Linux )

CIS166AE  Web Scripting with Python/MySQL Section 7083 T-Th 5:20-7:00pm
We will first focus on learning the basics of the Python Scripting 
language (very hand for sys admin tasks, and many of the Redhat GUI 
config scripts are written in Python), then hook it into web page 
development and database connectivity. Pre-Requesite of CIS133DA 
(Internet/Web Development level I) or permission of instructor (just 
demonstrate to me that you can do basic HTML/XHTML including form 
development).

CIS151 Computer Game Development (using PyGames) sect 0928 T-Th 3-
4:15pm
Learn basic game programming using PyGames (and a bit of ALICE). 
New course, should be a lot of fun.

Also CIS133DA (Internet/Web Development with XHTML Leavel I) sect 7064 
M from 7:10pm-9:50pm and CIS233DA (Level II) Tues 7:10-9:50pm sect 0982

If interested, please sign up as soon as you can to make sure the 
class has enough students.

Taught by Phillip Waclawski, residential CIS Faculty, Mesa Community 
College Business Department

Phillip Waclawski
480 461 7468
Best way to contact: Email  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Good news day for Freedom and Open!

2007-08-10 Thread Alan Dayley
"Court Rules: Novell owns the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights! Novell has
right to waive!"
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070810165237718

"OOXML Approval Vote Fails in INCITS"
(This means the US has voted "No" on approval of OOXML as an ISO standard)
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20070810112044631

Nice way to start the weekend!

Alan




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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 06:51:40PM -0700, Mike Garfias wrote:
> RH puts many things in /etc/sysconfig that belong in either the top  
> level /etc dir or their own dir under /etc (ex: /etc/apache/)
> granted some are in the right place, but at best its an inconsistent  
> mess
> 
> also another bitch:
> wtf is /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts?
> why not one dir
> 
> its very non-intuitive.  With my experience I shouldn't have to hunt  
> for things for a few minutes, it should be obvious.  Solaris never  
> confused me like this, nor has any of the BSDs (tho the BSD init  
> process bugs the shit out of me).

Ok, I've *almost* entered this discussion about 5 times. The BSD mention
finally drew me out. ;-)

SysV init annoys some, and BSD init makes others crazy. I'm not going to
argue one vs. the other. It's just a fact of life. This split happened a
long time ago, and at least there's been a while to get used to it.

> I should also point out that 99.999% of the time I'm doing server  
> stuff.  And a lot of servers at that which means I use lots of  
> scripts and configuration management.

This is the real issue. For the VAST majority of home desktop users none
of this matters at all as long as the GUI config works. So if whoever at
the distro decides to do it a certain way and the GUI works with that,
then it's all fine. For those of us who deal with servers in quantity,
in racks, or in colo it's a very different picture. I don't give a
tinker's darn about GUI config panels. Hey, some of my boxes have
neither a video card not a place to put one! I'm not crazy about
commandline config tools, either. There's really not much need for them,
as long as you can keep configs in a repository, and do a little
scripting, etc., etc. If you can't, then you probably should outsource
your server admin to someone who can. So, it's nice to have configs in
some sensible format, and in some well known place. Why all these
distros felt the need to reinvent the wheel on this is beyond me. It
just makes life more difficult for people doing admin in a heterogenous
environment. It's like the weird djb directories all over again: it
doesn't matter if you're right if you violate longstanding conventions
and confuse everyone.

So there! ;-)

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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Mike Garfias
RH puts many things in /etc/sysconfig that belong in either the top  
level /etc dir or their own dir under /etc (ex: /etc/apache/)
granted some are in the right place, but at best its an inconsistent  
mess

also another bitch:
wtf is /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts?
why not one dir

its very non-intuitive.  With my experience I shouldn't have to hunt  
for things for a few minutes, it should be obvious.  Solaris never  
confused me like this, nor has any of the BSDs (tho the BSD init  
process bugs the shit out of me).

I should also point out that 99.999% of the time I'm doing server  
stuff.  And a lot of servers at that which means I use lots of  
scripts and configuration management.

And don't even get me started on up2date and/or yum.

On Aug 10, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Dan Lund wrote:

> Okay, because you confused me... Red Hat doesn't bury the settings, so
> that's probably what confused me.
>
> /etc and /etc/sysconfig

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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Dan Lund
Okay, because you confused me... Red Hat doesn't bury the settings, so 
that's probably what confused me.

/etc and /etc/sysconfig


Mike Garfias wrote:
> actually i'm mostly bitching about RH
> i found suse to be even worse the one time i tried it
> have since refused to touch it
>
> On Aug 10, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Dan Lund wrote:
>
>   
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Re: hey

2007-08-10 Thread Joshua Zeidner
  hmm... how did that happen?  sorry folks!

   -jmz


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> On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 12:12 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> > got your message... ill get back to you soon. thanks, jmz
>
> No problem, take your time.
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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Mike Garfias
actually i'm mostly bitching about RH
i found suse to be even worse the one time i tried it
have since refused to touch it

On Aug 10, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Dan Lund wrote:

> I assume your talking about SuSE.
>
>
> Mike Garfias wrote:
>> I don't mind tools editing the standard conf files.
>>
>> I do mind some craptastic distro burying the setting in an obscure
>> directory and then making it hard to script (or hand edit) a change.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Dan Lund wrote:
>>
>>
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PLUG members introductory profiles

2007-08-10 Thread Josef Lowder
.
It would be very beneficial, in many respects, if the PLUG website
could include a "gallery" of introductory bios and photos of as
many PLUG members as may be willing to participate.

A preliminary list of reasons and benefits for doing this, along
with a few very preliminary examples of how this might be done,
can be found at the following *temporary* web page:

 http://upquick.com/bios/

Until such time as something like this can be incorporated into
the PLUG website, I have set up this temporary page so that any
PLUG members who might like to participate can do so.

So far, there are five introductory profiles and a dozen member
photos available there.  (About half of the people who attended
last night's PLUG meeting agreed to have their picture taken to
help get this started.)  While this is obviously a very plain
and unglamorous preliminary web page, at least it is a beginning.

I hope many more PLUG members will participate by either sending
a web page link where they have a personal introductory bio or
profile (preferrably with a photo) ... or email their bio and
photo to me and I'll add it to this page.

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Re: hey

2007-08-10 Thread Ted Gould
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 12:12 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> got your message... ill get back to you soon. thanks, jmz

No problem, take your time.

--Ted

PS - You sent this to PLUG ;)


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hey

2007-08-10 Thread Joshua Zeidner
got your message... ill get back to you soon. thanks, jmz


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Mid Level Linux Systems Admin Job!

2007-08-10 Thread Devin Atencio


My company is looking for  JR to Mid-Level Linux Systems Administrator  
position. I have
attached below the job description. If interested please send your  
resume to

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Junior-Mid Level Systems/Network Administrator

myGeek is currently seeking a Junior to Mid Level Systems/Network  
Administrator for a Linux server environment to join our rapidly  
growing, fun, cash-flow positive company.  The successful candidate  
will serve as a subject matter expert, and be able to work  
independently with little direct supervision and guidance given.


The Junior Systems/Network Administrator will assist in architecting,  
developing, managing and support myGeek’s high-capacity clustered  
application service environments and myGeek’s office desktops/ 
network.  The ideal candidate will be able to design and implement  
complete solutions from initial hardware procurement to final backup  
process as well as manage all day-to-day functions.  Problem solving  
and investigation skills are a must, as is the ability to anticipate  
and prevent problems.  The position also requires a good understanding  
of networks, operating systems, and multi-tiered Internet applications.


What myGeek Offers:
Dynamic company with a great culture to work in
We seek balance by providing flexibility between work and family
myGeek is a goal driven, performance based environment
An opportunity to receive compensation for efforts that are beyond  
just a base salary

Excellent health benefits for you and your family
Flexible work hours, goal based perks, and much more!
Free water (& coffee)
Opportunity for individual achievement and team success

What myGeek Does NOT Offer:
Layers of management and bureaucracy
Cool company cars – Not to be confused with Geek Squad from Best Buy  
(we can paint the myGeek logo on your car for a small fee)

Micro-Management
Office Politics

Your Qualifications:
 • 3-4 years enterprise level system/network  
administration experience in a Linux environment

 • 3-4 years professional experience with Red Hat Linux
 • Experience with installing and configuring Linux  
servers.
 • Experience with Linux security & hardening Linux  
systems.
 • Experience with one of the following Scripting skills  
(Perl, PHP, csh, bsh)
 • Systems Administration tools (top, vmstat, sar,  
uptime, ps)
 • Understanding of TCP/IP and related Internet  
protocols, security/firewalls, web servers, and load balancing.

 • Good understanding of Linux and Linux routing.
 • Experience working with various open source  
applications (Apache, LVS, Perl, Bind, NFS, sendmail, qmail, mySQL,  
cvs, etc.)
 • Knowledge of network topology including mail routing  
(MX records), DNS and NFS.

 • Knowledge of Linux and Windows networking
 • Strong work ethic and excellent communication skills,  
with the ability to work with various workgroups and levels (e.g.;  
sales team, service team, management, etc.)

 • Ability to multi-task and prioritize on a regular basis
 • Flexibility in on-call availability is required


Not Required, but Preferred:
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Kernel tuning and performance for Linux
Experience with an enterprise level RDBMS (Oracle, Sybase)
Experience with Cisco PIX Firewalls & Extreme Switches
Experience with Intrusion Detection Systems
Experience with Nagios System Monitoring
Experience with High Capacity Websites.


Are you a geek-worthy?  Apply today!

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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Matt Graham
On Friday 10 August 2007 09:46, after a long battle with technology, 
Daniel P. Stasinski wrote:
> In essence, it is similar to people fleeing California (because
> California sucks?) to come to Arizona, and then they go about trying
> to create the very thing they left by proposing laws, planting grass
> in a desert and not using their turn signals.

I think people do that no matter where they're trying to flee or what 
they're trying to flee from.  It's not quite as ironclad as "upper 
management do completely moronic things", but it's a useful general 
rule.

> I use a spiffy little C compiler called TinyCC that is fast enough to
> compile a Linux kernel from source in about 12 seconds.

Whoa.  Which options were turned on?  Was it a full build, or partial?  
Did the compiled kernel work properly, without userspace displaying 
strange behavior?  I'd guess so, but more info would be interesting.

> Same thing with AOLserver.   People complain that it doesn't have
> Apache features like php and perl modules, .htaccess, etc.   No it
> doesn't.  It's not Apache and hopefully will never be!  It fills a
> very specific need and does it quite well.

"Feature creep".  It happens all over the place.  (Well, maybe not with 
Slackware.)  It's sort of like the old story about Stone Soup, although 
every feature requester tends to put in bugs as well as new features.

> If someone is used to Suse, use Suse!   If they are forced to move to
> a new platform, learn the new platform and don't look back.

Retaining knowledge from the old platform can be really useful in some 
cases, though.  My SuSE knowledge is years out of date, but I could 
probably still fix a SuSE box.  ("grep -ri" is *never* out of date 
though.)

> Every O/S project fills a certain niche market and if we go about 
> trying to unify them all then all we will end up up with is bloated 
> MS type products.

I hear you about the niches.  (You will take my vim and my slrn when 
you've pried my keyboard from the shattered skulls of my enemies!)  
Bloat, though, tends to result from users wanting new features.  And 
they *always* want new features.

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Internet Woes Redux

2007-08-10 Thread Robert N. Eaton
Hi all,


After having installed several distros and actually building a new 
computer, I finally found out on the net why I was having so much 
trouble with Qwest DSL. The default DNS numbers were wrong. The solution:

System > Administrator > Network > DNS TAB:

Primary DNS = 205.171.2.65

Secondary DNS = 205.171.3.65  

Tertiary DNS = Blank

DNS search path set at DEFAULT

That was it. Now I access the net and also my email just as I should. I 
KNEW that the answer to the problem would be something relatively simple 
(although, in this case, obscure). 

I suppose that if I knew more about debugging, I might have found the 
answer myself. Naaah! My hat's off to whoever found that DNS hack.

Bob Eaton
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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Daniel P. Stasinski
> Shame on you Kurt for thinking that Red Hat should pander to your SuSE
> driven expectations.


Though I'm not much interested in the thread anymore, I still find the
psychology of it all pretty interesting.

In essence, it is similar to people fleeing California (because California
sucks?) to come to Arizona, and then they go about trying to create the very
thing they left by proposing laws, planting grass in a desert and not using
their turn signals.

I use a spiffy little C compiler called TinyCC that is fast enough to
compile a Linux kernel from source in about 12 seconds.   One of the demos
is a live CD that compiles the kernel before loading it.  Over the years I
have seen more and more people rant about cramming more and more into it,
that if allowed would turn it into gcc.  If they want gcc, why not just use
gcc?

Same thing with AOLserver.   People complain that it doesn't have Apache
features like php and perl modules, .htaccess, etc.   No it doesn't.  It's
not Apache and hopefully will never be?   It fills a very specific need and
does it quite well.

If someone is used to Suse, use Suse!   If they are forced to move to a new
platform, learn the new platform and don't look back.  Every O/S project
fills a certain niche market and if we go about trying to unify them all
then all we will end up up with is bloated MS type products.

Sorry for the ramble/rant.

Daniel
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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Dan Lund
I assume your talking about SuSE.


Mike Garfias wrote:
> I don't mind tools editing the standard conf files.
>
> I do mind some craptastic distro burying the setting in an obscure  
> directory and then making it hard to script (or hand edit) a change.
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Dan Lund wrote:
>
>   

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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Tony E - Jaraeth

Mike Garfias wrote:
> I don't mind tools editing the standard conf files.
> 
> I do mind some craptastic distro burying the setting in an obscure  
> directory and then making it hard to script (or hand edit) a change.

But the argument can be made, again, that if you are familiar with a
distro, then it's not as big a deal.  In my job, my coworkers & I often
times write scripts, be they Perl or Bash scripts, that rewrite, or
alter configuration files.

Myself, I am very familiar with Gentoo, Slackware & RedHat (CentOS) and
can find any config file I generally want... and all three distros vary
greatly from one another.  This goes the same for people who like SuSe &
Debian, even though myself, I don't like them at all.  But... to each
their own.

~ Tony E
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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Mike Garfias
I don't mind tools editing the standard conf files.

I do mind some craptastic distro burying the setting in an obscure  
directory and then making it hard to script (or hand edit) a change.


On Aug 10, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Dan Lund wrote:

> This argument has gone on since the beginning of Red Hat being the
> "Windows" of Linux.  Thankfully Red Hat has done a bit of shifting in
> their strategy and become less like that.
> It smacks of remnants of that argument, just completely backwards...
> back then it was people saying that it's better to edit the files
> directly versus using a tool.  Now we have someone saying that there's
> not enough tools?
> lol
>
>
> On 8/9/07, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 16:03 -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote:
>>> Craig White wrote:
 Shame on you Kurt for thinking that Red Hat should pander to  
 your SuSE
 driven expectations.
>>>
>>> Yes, shame on me for expecting that Red Hat behave like an OS  
>>> worthy of
>>> being the class leader.
>> 
>> somewhat argumentative considering that you are not using an  
>> installer
>> but rather an image created by others. The reality is, changing
>> hostname, etc. is a rather simple process for those who know Red Hat
>> topology and for those who are reduced to Linux server management via
>> Yast, it's going to be painful. From your perspective, I can see  
>> where
>> you're coming from. From a Red Hat perspective, you bring a limited
>> skill set that they are unlikely to satisfy regardless of their  
>> efforts.
>> Installing X and the various system-config-*utils* or Webmin are the
>> most reasonable options.
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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Dan Lund
This argument has gone on since the beginning of Red Hat being the
"Windows" of Linux.  Thankfully Red Hat has done a bit of shifting in
their strategy and become less like that.
It smacks of remnants of that argument, just completely backwards...
back then it was people saying that it's better to edit the files
directly versus using a tool.  Now we have someone saying that there's
not enough tools?
lol


On 8/9/07, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 16:03 -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote:
> > Craig White wrote:
> > > Shame on you Kurt for thinking that Red Hat should pander to your SuSE
> > > driven expectations.
> >
> > Yes, shame on me for expecting that Red Hat behave like an OS worthy of
> > being the class leader.
> 
> somewhat argumentative considering that you are not using an installer
> but rather an image created by others. The reality is, changing
> hostname, etc. is a rather simple process for those who know Red Hat
> topology and for those who are reduced to Linux server management via
> Yast, it's going to be painful. From your perspective, I can see where
> you're coming from. From a Red Hat perspective, you bring a limited
> skill set that they are unlikely to satisfy regardless of their efforts.
> Installing X and the various system-config-*utils* or Webmin are the
> most reasonable options.
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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Daniel P. Stasinski
On 8/10/07, der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The firstboot routine is a script, isn't it? Can it be run again later to
> go through the same questions for setting up the system?



Yes, edit /etc/sysconfig/firstboot and set to YES/

Daniel

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Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread der.hans

Am 09. Aug, 2007 schw�tzte Craig White so:


hostname & ethernet configurations, date/time, etc. are also part of the
'firstboot' routine which apparently wasn't included in your 'image'
either - too bad...not Red Hat's fault.


The firstboot routine is a script, isn't it? Can it be run again later to
go through the same questions for setting up the system?

ciao,

der.hans
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