Re: vpn
I have set up Samba before, but find I can do most of the "sharing" I need between Windows and Linux using Putty (on Windows) and SSH. Putty is a free SSH implementation for Windows and can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ HTH, Richard Wilson - On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 04:18 +, Michael Havens wrote: > Is therte an easy way to get the linux box and the windows box to see each > other to share stuff with each other? > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: vpn
On Wednesday 30 January 2008 21:41, Mike Garfias wrote: > If you're doing that, I recommend looking at OpenVPN. Compared to > something like FreeS/WAN its a freaking cake walk to setup. It still > takes time + effort + reading, but its not THAT bad. And it works on > windows, mac, and linux. at work everyone uses Cisco vpn to get to work. then I use rdesktop to get to my windows box. > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:18:07AM +, Michael Havens wrote: > >> Is therte an easy way to get the linux box and the windows box to > >> see each > >> other to share stuff with each other? > > > > Ummm... the subject says vpn, but you don't have much info in your > > message about vpn. > > > > If you put Samba on your Linux box you can do share and stuff and the > > Windows box should see it. > > > > You should not need a vpn unless you are connecting the two machines > > through an untrusted network (over the internet, over poorly secured > > wireless, etc). > > > > -- > > Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://phxbug.org/ | > > http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert > > | Global BUG Federation > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Happy Trails! Jerry KE7JVW Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown Registered Linux User: 275424 This email's random fortune: Advancement in position. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: vpn
If you're doing that, I recommend looking at OpenVPN. Compared to something like FreeS/WAN its a freaking cake walk to setup. It still takes time + effort + reading, but its not THAT bad. And it works on windows, mac, and linux. On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:18:07AM +, Michael Havens wrote: >> Is therte an easy way to get the linux box and the windows box to >> see each >> other to share stuff with each other? > > Ummm... the subject says vpn, but you don't have much info in your > message about vpn. > > If you put Samba on your Linux box you can do share and stuff and the > Windows box should see it. > > You should not need a vpn unless you are connecting the two machines > through an untrusted network (over the internet, over poorly secured > wireless, etc). > > -- > Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ > http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG > Federation > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Apple's time has come?
On Jan 30, 2008 8:19 PM, Darrin Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, they are fine packed into their boxes. > > If you turn one on and put it on the internet you are still the operator > even if you leave it. lol... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: vpn
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:18:07AM +, Michael Havens wrote: > Is therte an easy way to get the linux box and the windows box to see each > other to share stuff with each other? Ummm... the subject says vpn, but you don't have much info in your message about vpn. If you put Samba on your Linux box you can do share and stuff and the Windows box should see it. You should not need a vpn unless you are connecting the two machines through an untrusted network (over the internet, over poorly secured wireless, etc). -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: vpn
On Jan 30, 2008 8:18 PM, Michael Havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is therte an easy way to get the linux box and the windows box to see each > other to share stuff with each other? samba? -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Apple's time has come?
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 08:04:05PM -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > A computer is only as secure as the user operating it. > > That's not really true. Computers can be insecure without any operator... No, they are fine packed into their boxes. If you turn one on and put it on the internet you are still the operator even if you leave it. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: Apple's time has come?
On Jan 30, 2008 7:52 PM, Matt Nesteruk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This article is weak! > milw0rm is for kiddies. Yups...feed them :-) > A computer is only as secure as the user operating it. That's not really true. Computers can be insecure without any operator... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Apple's time has come?
This article is weak! milw0rm is for kiddies. A computer is only as secure as the user operating it. -Matt On 1/28/08, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > target for exploit says Sophos > > > http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2008/01/security-report.html > > Craig > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On 1/30/08, Kristian Erik Hermansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 2:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > center. I find myself having to hobble my own skills and training in > > order to please the various parochial department managers and other > > kinds of 'self-proclaimed geniouses' when working in Phx. For > > instance encountering someone who insists that a CS degree is > > meaningless but knowledge of 'smart pointers' in C++ is invaluable and > > an objective metric of your total knowledge. -jmz > > Interesting. That is another discussion entirely, but requiring a CS > degree does weed out a lot of people who have no idea about computer > architecture. Most importantly it shows who put their chips in the pot. A CS degree is not something you just mail away for, it takes hard work, drive, and most importantly direction. I can't tell you how many self-described 'technical experts' I've run into who basically picked up PHP a few months ago and hung out a shingle. > This is usually a good thing, because such people > usually build poor software. However, there are many tech geniuses > that have no formal degrees. Michal Zalewski is one I can think of > off the top of my head. The best hackers come from E. Europe because the disparity in currency value. If you live there you can make a decent living learning the arcana of the TCP/IP stack for instance. Secondly, the education rate there is comparitively higher than other comparable 3rd world nations due to the influence of the now defunct USSR. Finally there are few laws that punish nefarious activity on the wire. So if Michal is now working for Google, good for him! -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On Jan 30, 2008 2:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > center. I find myself having to hobble my own skills and training in > order to please the various parochial department managers and other > kinds of 'self-proclaimed geniouses' when working in Phx. For > instance encountering someone who insists that a CS degree is > meaningless but knowledge of 'smart pointers' in C++ is invaluable and > an objective metric of your total knowledge. -jmz Interesting. That is another discussion entirely, but requiring a CS degree does weed out a lot of people who have no idea about computer architecture. This is usually a good thing, because such people usually build poor software. However, there are many tech geniuses that have no formal degrees. Michal Zalewski is one I can think of off the top of my head. Go read his book: Silence on the Wire. Very interesting. Google hired him last year, but he has been hacking industry code for a long time... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On 1/30/08, Kristian Erik Hermansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 1:38 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Speaking only of the 'marketable skills' aspect, I disagree. When we are > > interviewing > > potential new linux people, I prefer one who has gentoo experience. > > Specifically > > because of what you need to go through to get it installed and working. > > Now, thats not > > to say I disqualify someone who doesn't have gentoo exp. However, given 2 > > almost > > identical candidates, I'll go with the one with gentoo exp. Heck, they > > don't even have > > to be identical... > > I'd have to somewhat agree with that, but not so strictly. I > definitely learned a lot from doing a stage1 install and being an > early 2001 RC Gentoo user. Another good interview question though is > to ask your candidate to name as many two character unix commands in > one minute. See how many they get and compare that result against the > others :-) > -- these kinds of folks may be useful in some situations, but I find that they can be absolutely terrible when it comes to considering costs. You may know 1500 unix shell commands, but there are other skills that are important in system construction. Being aware of solutions markets is one of them. In most cases I find that people have a strong tendency to hire what looks to be a smaller or dumber version of themselves - which is a surefire way to have an utterly useless company. This is one reason why big companies can win out- I find hiring practices among small companies (esp. in the Phoenix) to be somewhat Kafkaesque. Many of the business owners in the 'Valley' are just sitting on (rapidly depreciating) house equity and are generally pretty clueless about trends in media, finance, etc. It is these kinds of things that seriously weigh against Phoenix as a tech center. I find myself having to hobble my own skills and training in order to please the various parochial department managers and other kinds of 'self-proclaimed geniouses' when working in Phx. For instance encountering someone who insists that a CS degree is meaningless but knowledge of 'smart pointers' in C++ is invaluable and an objective metric of your total knowledge. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
On Jan 30, 2008 1:47 PM, stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, the main differences between Gentoo and Debian is that Debian uses > binary files from the Debian repositories, while Gentoo is essentially > compiled directly from source code, which is why it takes so long. With > Gentoo, OTOH, you can get the latest "bleeding edge" stuff, while Debian > tends to use the "stable" versions that have been around for awhile. (I > remember having to compile Inkscape 4.3 because the Debian repos were still > using 4.1) > What other differences might make one system preferable to the other? > (Not trying to start a Distro war here! I believe the real strength of Linux > is hidden within it's diversity!) You can get up to date versions of software from Ubuntu's 'backports' repository, or if you are quite daring, running the unreleased alpha of Ubuntu as it is being tested. People think I'm crazy because I routinely use ubuntu+1 starting the first day of the alpha1 release. This puts me 5 months ahead of everyone else and gives me a chance to partake in making Ubuntu better for everyone. I only do this on machines where I can deal with issues, such as a home computer. I would never do something like that in production or on a corporate machine. However, you would be surprised at the surprisingly low number of bugs I have encountered even running Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) since last November :-) You can find some of my bug reports on launchpad.net... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On 1/30/08, Kristian Erik Hermansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 1:21 PM, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure Gentoo is loads of fun if you're a hobbiest of some kind, > > but I doubt it will gain any serious traction in the corporate realm. > > So if your goal is marketable skills, Gentoo is clearly not the the > > way to go. Configurability can sometimes be a minus, as it adds to > > the number of variables that need to be managed = cost++ = ROI--. If > > anyone knows of any specialty niches for Gentoo in the corporate > > arena, I'd be interested to know. > > Perhaps a specialized back-end service where fast/custom binaries are > needed, such as in media transcoding... I would guess it would be in this area if at all... -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On Jan 30, 2008 1:38 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking only of the 'marketable skills' aspect, I disagree. When we are > interviewing > potential new linux people, I prefer one who has gentoo experience. > Specifically > because of what you need to go through to get it installed and working. Now, > thats not > to say I disqualify someone who doesn't have gentoo exp. However, given 2 > almost > identical candidates, I'll go with the one with gentoo exp. Heck, they don't > even have > to be identical... I'd have to somewhat agree with that, but not so strictly. I definitely learned a lot from doing a stage1 install and being an early 2001 RC Gentoo user. Another good interview question though is to ask your candidate to name as many two character unix commands in one minute. See how many they get and compare that result against the others :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On 1/30/08, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - "Joshua Zeidner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sure Gentoo is loads of fun if you're a hobbiest of some kind, > > but I doubt it will gain any serious traction in the corporate realm. > > So if your goal is marketable skills, Gentoo is clearly not the the > > way to go. Configurability can sometimes be a minus, as it adds to > > the number of variables that need to be managed = cost++ = ROI--. If > > anyone knows of any specialty niches for Gentoo in the corporate > > arena, I'd be interested to know. > > > > -jmz > > > > Speaking only of the 'marketable skills' aspect, I disagree. When we are > interviewing > potential new linux people, I prefer one who has gentoo experience. > Specifically > because of what you need to go through to get it installed and working. Now, > thats not > to say I disqualify someone who doesn't have gentoo exp. However, given 2 > almost > identical candidates, I'll go with the one with gentoo exp. Heck, they don't > even have > to be identical... > > David ahhh... just go with the 20 year old! He'll work for peanuts and learn just about anything you tell him as long as you maintain the 'startup' image around the office (bean bag chairs, wacky clothing and eyeglass frames, etc.). He will build feature-rich systems with his brazen can-do attitude and somewhat disconcerting and totally irrational self-confidence. Of course the rest of the people who work for you and actually have a function will stay clear away from him, but hey its a /startup/! -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On 1/30/08, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - "Joshua Zeidner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sure Gentoo is loads of fun if you're a hobbiest of some kind, > > but I doubt it will gain any serious traction in the corporate realm. > > So if your goal is marketable skills, Gentoo is clearly not the the > > way to go. Configurability can sometimes be a minus, as it adds to > > the number of variables that need to be managed = cost++ = ROI--. If > > anyone knows of any specialty niches for Gentoo in the corporate > > arena, I'd be interested to know. > > > > -jmz > > > > Speaking only of the 'marketable skills' aspect, I disagree. When we are > interviewing > potential new linux people, I prefer one who has gentoo experience. > Specifically > because of what you need to go through to get it installed and working. Amen. I learned *tons* by keeping a Gentoo box going. Now, I use (x|k|ed)?ubuntu almost exclusively. I love that I can install a package in less than 3 hours, but there is a down side to that too: I'm more detached, disconnected, and sheltered from my machines' inner thoughts. ;-) Only if there were more hours in a day --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
> > The thing to do with Gentoo is to read the Gentoo Handbook (how to install > Gentoo) first. Print out a copy (if you have a printer) or have another > machine available to read the Handbook on while you're installing. It > takes ... 8 to 9 hours to "emerge kde" on a 2200 MHz Athlon with 1G, so > do that (or emerge gnome, or whatever) overnight. > IIRC, the main differences between Gentoo and Debian is that Debian uses binary files from the Debian repositories, while Gentoo is essentially compiled directly from source code, which is why it takes so long. With Gentoo, OTOH, you can get the latest "bleeding edge" stuff, while Debian tends to use the "stable" versions that have been around for awhile. (I remember having to compile Inkscape 4.3 because the Debian repos were still using 4.1) What other differences might make one system preferable to the other? (Not trying to start a Distro war here! I believe the real strength of Linux is hidden within it's diversity!) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
- "Joshua Zeidner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure Gentoo is loads of fun if you're a hobbiest of some kind, > but I doubt it will gain any serious traction in the corporate realm. > So if your goal is marketable skills, Gentoo is clearly not the the > way to go. Configurability can sometimes be a minus, as it adds to > the number of variables that need to be managed = cost++ = ROI--. If > anyone knows of any specialty niches for Gentoo in the corporate > arena, I'd be interested to know. > > -jmz > Speaking only of the 'marketable skills' aspect, I disagree. When we are interviewing potential new linux people, I prefer one who has gentoo experience. Specifically because of what you need to go through to get it installed and working. Now, thats not to say I disqualify someone who doesn't have gentoo exp. However, given 2 almost identical candidates, I'll go with the one with gentoo exp. Heck, they don't even have to be identical... David -- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." --Darth Vader --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Gentoo for Business?
On Jan 30, 2008 1:21 PM, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure Gentoo is loads of fun if you're a hobbiest of some kind, > but I doubt it will gain any serious traction in the corporate realm. > So if your goal is marketable skills, Gentoo is clearly not the the > way to go. Configurability can sometimes be a minus, as it adds to > the number of variables that need to be managed = cost++ = ROI--. If > anyone knows of any specialty niches for Gentoo in the corporate > arena, I'd be interested to know. Perhaps a specialized back-end service where fast/custom binaries are needed, such as in media transcoding... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Gentoo for Business?
I'm sure Gentoo is loads of fun if you're a hobbiest of some kind, but I doubt it will gain any serious traction in the corporate realm. So if your goal is marketable skills, Gentoo is clearly not the the way to go. Configurability can sometimes be a minus, as it adds to the number of variables that need to be managed = cost++ = ROI--. If anyone knows of any specialty niches for Gentoo in the corporate arena, I'd be interested to know. -jmz On 1/30/08, Matt Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 11:55 am, Technomage-hawke wrote: > >> you guys should try gentoo sometime. it makes debian look dead easy. > > The config file management in Gentoo is pretty nice. The annoying > thing is setting up the USE flags properly. Even with ufed, it takes > a while to find all the stuff you need and set it to Y. > > > I haven't jumped into the Gentoo pool yet, but I'd like to give it a try > > sometime. I do like the way I can net-install a base Debian system then pick > > > and choose whatever else I want. > > The thing to do with Gentoo is to read the Gentoo Handbook (how to install > Gentoo) first. Print out a copy (if you have a printer) or have another > machine available to read the Handbook on while you're installing. It > takes ... 8 to 9 hours to "emerge kde" on a 2200 MHz Athlon with 1G, so > do that (or emerge gnome, or whatever) overnight. > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
From: stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 11:55 am, Technomage-hawke wrote: >> you guys should try gentoo sometime. it makes debian look dead easy. The config file management in Gentoo is pretty nice. The annoying thing is setting up the USE flags properly. Even with ufed, it takes a while to find all the stuff you need and set it to Y. > I haven't jumped into the Gentoo pool yet, but I'd like to give it a try > sometime. I do like the way I can net-install a base Debian system then pick > and choose whatever else I want. The thing to do with Gentoo is to read the Gentoo Handbook (how to install Gentoo) first. Print out a copy (if you have a printer) or have another machine available to read the Handbook on while you're installing. It takes ... 8 to 9 hours to "emerge kde" on a 2200 MHz Athlon with 1G, so do that (or emerge gnome, or whatever) overnight. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
I haven't jumped into the Gentoo pool yet, but I'd like to give it a try sometime. I do like the way I can net-install a base Debian system then pick and choose whatever else I want. In fact, I have an old PII 300 laptop running my own dedicated version of Debian Etch hidden in my desk at work for when I need to edit/create graphics and sound files for presentations, which I then transfer to my "work" desktop via usb stick. On Wednesday 30 January 2008 11:55 am, Technomage-hawke wrote: > hehehehe > you guys should try gentoo sometime. it makes debian look dead easy. > > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 06:20, Michael Havens wrote: > > this is why I ask so many questions! > > > > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 12:36 am, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > > On 1/29/08, Technomage-hawke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I use a command line tool in debian called sysv-rc-conf. its a > > > > nvurses front end that works nicely for this kind of stuff > > > > > > Oh, cool. Never knew about this one! Thx... > > > > ^^^ > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Microsoft needs people who can do as they're told... GNU/Linux needs people who can TELL as they DO! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: who is alex morton
On Jan 29, 2008 2:28 PM, Josh Coffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure if anyone else has seen this or if I'm just ignorant: > http://www.litvision.org/morton.html > > It's a little long, and leave me wondering what Unix software Alex > Morton wrote. Anyone know? Confirmed fictional: http://www.litvision.org/archive.html -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: who is alex morton
On Jan 30, 2008 10:02 AM, Tony Wasson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The article is listed under the fiction archive here: > http://www.litvision.org/archive.html My dreams of meeting all those characters have been squashed :-( -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
yeah, I tried it in vmware. works ok, but compiling under athlon64 sux. tried to install kde and got a lot of b0rked dependencies On Wednesday 30 January 2008 11:13, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 8:55 AM, Technomage-hawke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hehehehe > > you guys should try gentoo sometime. it makes debian look dead easy. > > Yeah, Gentoo is great, and I still use it sometimes when I have a free > weekend to compile everything :-P The following weekend I can > actually use the computer...hehehe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: who is alex morton
On Jan 30, 2008 11:02 AM, Tony Wasson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 29, 2008 8:17 PM, Kristian Erik Hermansen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2008 6:53 PM, Richard Daggett > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Found this article about Alex Morton. He created a mouse in 1992, but not > > > much on that either. > > > > > > http://www.robelle.com/ftp/newsletter/1992/w1992-06.txt > > > > > > MotorMouse: Just in Time for Christmas! > > > > Interesting. So is this guy real or not? Or were just the characters made > > up? > > The article is listed under the fiction archive here: > http://www.litvision.org/archive.html > Hmm.. seems doubtful that the story is factual. -- Regards, Josh http://www.computeristsolutions.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
On Jan 30, 2008 8:55 AM, Technomage-hawke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hehehehe > you guys should try gentoo sometime. it makes debian look dead easy. Yeah, Gentoo is great, and I still use it sometimes when I have a free weekend to compile everything :-P The following weekend I can actually use the computer...hehehe -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: who is alex morton
On Jan 29, 2008 8:17 PM, Kristian Erik Hermansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 29, 2008 6:53 PM, Richard Daggett > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Found this article about Alex Morton. He created a mouse in 1992, but not > > much on that either. > > > > http://www.robelle.com/ftp/newsletter/1992/w1992-06.txt > > > > MotorMouse: Just in Time for Christmas! > > Interesting. So is this guy real or not? Or were just the characters made > up? The article is listed under the fiction archive here: http://www.litvision.org/archive.html --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: swap space
IIRC floppies run at 150Kbs! Hard drives now days run at a MINIMUM of 33 mb/s, most 66 to over 100 mbs. Divide 33,000,000 by 150,000 and you get 220 times faster for the 33mb/s hard drive faster than a floppy!! Plus the other peoples comments still apply..too small, and undependable. Now days, 33mb/s hard drives are 'slow'!! Ed --- Michael Havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to make use of my floppy disk; thus I wish to > use it as my swap space. > How many bytes > > I was wondering a flopy drive is very much > useless. Why not use it as the > swap space? If we were going to how many > bytes/blocks are in a floppy? > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Ed/ke7feg Did I mention, 2/23/07 the FCC dropped all cw (AKA Morse code) testing for any class of license as a ham? Just pass the written and "U's a ham"!! Many sites test online, but you have to go for the real test. $14 for as high as you can climb in one session. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
hehehehe you guys should try gentoo sometime. it makes debian look dead easy. On Wednesday 30 January 2008 06:20, Michael Havens wrote: > this is why I ask so many questions! > > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 12:36 am, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > On 1/29/08, Technomage-hawke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I use a command line tool in debian called sysv-rc-conf. its a nvurses > > > front end that works nicely for this kind of stuff > > > > Oh, cool. Never knew about this one! Thx... > > ^^^ > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
wireless router
how cool! I called linkksys and they told me I needed to download some stuff. I did that and the laptop came up. I was happy! I went to bed and in the morning and I becam overjoyed... it detected the linux box!! YIPE --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: services
this is why I ask so many questions! On Wednesday 30 January 2008 12:36 am, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On 1/29/08, Technomage-hawke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use a command line tool in debian called sysv-rc-conf. its a nvurses > > front end that works nicely for this kind of stuff > > Oh, cool. Never knew about this one! Thx... ^^^ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
