Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
IF the signal is strong enough to go through the cable, it doesn't care where the source is probably. The only caveat is the further the run from the source, the more loss in the cable. Worst case is you might have to spend some money and get an amplifier for one of the rooms depending on how far and how weak the signal is if the antenna doesn't send enough down one line. So IF a good signal is received elsewhere that can be the 'entry' point for the rf signal to the tv's. After all, it is electrically just one wire even tho it goes to several points. The only other problem might be if you have a splitter to a vcr or such now. But if the signal goes to the wall plug directly then the wire(s) in the wall all get that signal. I assume it works okay the way it is to send the antenna's signal to all rooms now, so it should. IF the chosen room doesn't get a good over the air signal into the antenna, then you might have a problem. Like my bedroom tv. The 'powered antenna' in the living room sends the signal here okay. But more that same antenna in here directly plugged into the tv and NO signal or too weak a signal on most stations!! So position does matter, you will have to play and find where the wall/outside trees/nearby buildings/etc let a good signal in at. The 'chosen' room may not receive. Our two bedrooms are on the south end next to each other. There is a tree right against the building between them. I have to get the signal from some where else. In the other bedroom, nearer to south mountain, a simple loop of wire works okay w/o an amplifier at all!! In the living room, I get most channels. IF on top of the tv, even prescott channel 7 digital!! But other local break up!! In the window, no prescott channel 7 but all the local solid including the cable from the window to a splitter and 40 feet and two splices to this tv!! Go figure that one out!! So yes, it Should work from another room depending on air signal strength in that room. I have a 2meter hand held. I litterly, in the living room when listening to 147.340 mhz can move a few inches and loose the signal. But outside, fine anywhere I have tried. The 5/8 wave stuck through a small hole drilled in the kitchen ceiling and mag mounted to the top of the refrig for ground plane works great!! Cannot hit a single south mountain repeater directly tho. No line of sight!! Like I said, I get good signals solid 99.9 percent of the time...two afternoons a month or so ago one channel broke up... And obivously not line of sight. I CAN hit the repeaters on Mt Ord half way to Payson, The Usery one, and Pinal repeater tho. Scottsdale's 147.180...never anywhere and I am not the only ham here that cannot. The above is just to show that POSITION POSITION POSITION is important almost as much as design is for antennas. IF the signal isn't there, it isn't there!! Oh, the Tempe buttes..never heard them except when In or Near Tempe!! It is litterly easier for me to talk with a ham in Flagstaff via the Mt Ord repeater than someone in Phx unless I get over 'the hump'!! And that is with 144-148 mhz, which bends slightly more that the uhf signals do!! Just fyi. Basically any signal faster than about 30 mhz doesn't bend back enough but just goes line of sight..mostly.. Right now, worst or bottom of the sunspot cycle and comms are 'iffy' at best. Ed/ke7feg Did I mention, 2/23/07 the FCC dropped all cw (AKA Morse code) testing for any class of license as a ham? Just pass the written exams. --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Main PLUG discussion list" > > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 1:50 PM > Thanks, plugger friends, for your responses. > > So, may I ask one more related question: > > Since there are cable jacks in three rooms in our house, > could I just relocate in the unsightly "set-top" > UHF antenna > that I now have sitting on top of the TV in the living room > and > perhaps use a double-male coupler (is there such a thing) > to plug that simple antenna into the cabling that runs > through > the house and thereby obtain a signal for the other two > rooms? > > > On 7/4/08, eculbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ANY good uhf antenna IS a hdtv antenna. As long as it will > receive > in the 800mhz band, don't waste your money on > 'special hdtv antennas'. > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
I think in some ways this is kind of jumping the gun a bit. Once the law is passed, if there is a problem with it, the public will take it up with the courts in that state, and if it is indeed found to be fundamentally flawed in the ways that have been pointed out here, it will be struck down immediately. It is the beauty of our system. Although it can sometimes work against us However in this case, I don't see any reason why the courts would uphold it. The idea in some ways is sound to me, but I would think that if they really want to do something like this they will need to change the rules regarding how one becomes a PI. Or set the PI status as only available to the person during the time they are doing said work that would require it. Anyways.. Just another possibly bad law passed with good intentions. Sincerely, Judd Pickell --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SMTP auth problem
Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 20:03 -0700, Joey Prestia wrote: >> Craig White wrote: >>> Is saslauthd running? >>> /sbin/service saslauthd status >>> or better yet... >>> /sbin/service saslauthd restart >>> then look at the bottom of /var/log/messages and /var/log/maillog to >>> make sure there isn't any errors. >>> >>> Are all the users stored in /etc/passwd or mysql or ldap? >>> >>> Craig >> Craig, >> >> Yes all accounts are stored in /etc/passwd >> saslauthd is running and performed a restart >> >> maillog: >> >> Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[27068]: server_exit : master >> exited: 27068 >> Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[30273]: detach_tty : master pid >> is: 30273 >> Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[30273]: ipc_init: listening >> on socket: /var/run/saslauthd/mux >> >> So restarting caused no errors I just tried to send this via a another >> wireless network with no success > > are you sure that you have enabled secure authentication on your client > program? > > can you try another mail program? You could try to authenticate via > command line but that's infinitely trickier to do with ssl. > I have tried with both kmail and thunderbird. My usual settings are tls if available and and smtp auth with username and password I thought at first that this was the problem it was using the old password so I removed the default smtp server settings and removed the passwords. So it would force me to manually enter the password again I did this while on another network and tried to send with no success. As soon as I disconnected from the neighboring lan and connected to the local lan it took and sent but I am unsure if it is using auth it seems like it is only sending because its on my lan how would I verify the authentication process is working at all? Thanks -- Joey Prestia --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SMTP auth problem
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 20:03 -0700, Joey Prestia wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > > > Is saslauthd running? > > /sbin/service saslauthd status > > or better yet... > > /sbin/service saslauthd restart > > then look at the bottom of /var/log/messages and /var/log/maillog to > > make sure there isn't any errors. > > > > Are all the users stored in /etc/passwd or mysql or ldap? > > > > Craig > > Craig, > > Yes all accounts are stored in /etc/passwd > saslauthd is running and performed a restart > > maillog: > > Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[27068]: server_exit : master > exited: 27068 > Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[30273]: detach_tty : master pid > is: 30273 > Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[30273]: ipc_init: listening > on socket: /var/run/saslauthd/mux > > So restarting caused no errors I just tried to send this via a another > wireless network with no success are you sure that you have enabled secure authentication on your client program? can you try another mail program? You could try to authenticate via command line but that's infinitely trickier to do with ssl. Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SMTP auth problem
Craig White wrote: > > Is saslauthd running? > /sbin/service saslauthd status > or better yet... > /sbin/service saslauthd restart > then look at the bottom of /var/log/messages and /var/log/maillog to > make sure there isn't any errors. > > Are all the users stored in /etc/passwd or mysql or ldap? > > Craig Craig, Yes all accounts are stored in /etc/passwd saslauthd is running and performed a restart maillog: Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[27068]: server_exit : master exited: 27068 Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[30273]: detach_tty : master pid is: 30273 Jul 4 20:04:40 linuxamd saslauthd[30273]: ipc_init: listening on socket: /var/run/saslauthd/mux So restarting caused no errors I just tried to send this via a another wireless network with no success -- Joey Prestia --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
open source cartoon? (sorta)
http://www.angelfire.com/vamp/shoopshoop/deathstar2.jpg -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SMTP auth problem
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 19:42 -0700, Joey Prestia wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 18:05 -0700, Joey Prestia wrote: > >> Hi All, > >> > >> On a server I am running RHEL 5.0 sendmail with saslauth for > >> authenticated relay and recently logged in through ssh and changed a > >> user password and now the user can not send authenticated relayed mail > >> the password I thought might be the problem. Maybe it was stored in > >> thunderbird e-mail client smtp password and username but I removed the > >> users smtp account and reconfigured to use the new password but no luck > >> So I thought that perhaps saslpassword could be the problem and not > >> being familiar with this I thought I would ask here. Do I need to create > >> a saslauth password? > > > > how is smtp auth configured? postfix? sendmail? what are the auth > > details? > > > > I am administering a e-mail server running RHEL 5 with sendmail 8.13 and > using dovecot imap most of the users are going to need to be able to > send mail from their laptops and i have no idea what network they will > be utilizing. I am using saslauthd and never created sasl passwords but > folloing the guide at http://www.joreybump.com/code/howto/smtpauth.html > was able to get it working. now after 6 months of no problem and a > simple user password change i cannot relay from anywhere. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# sasldblistusers2 > listusers failed > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# > > is this my problem? I wouldn't think so because you would have had to be maintaining the dblist all along. Is saslauthd running? /sbin/service saslauthd status or better yet... /sbin/service saslauthd restart then look at the bottom of /var/log/messages and /var/log/maillog to make sure there isn't any errors. Are all the users stored in /etc/passwd or mysql or ldap? Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 17:12 -0700, Jason Spatafore wrote: > > honestly, after reading your earlier diatribe, I couldn't help but > > wonder what it has to do with Linux - after all, this is a Linux list. > > > > Yes, Microsoft, like other companies is heavily invested in technologies > > that seek to tie usage to a valid sale and they engage in this because > > they believe it to be a worthwhile strategy. I fail to see how/why this > > is of interest to a Linux mail list though. > > > > I find some of their other tactics such as their restrictive EULA, their > > active efforts into DRM at the expense of access to devices and > > documents are far more egregious than the activation scheme that you are > > railing about. Personally, I found it easy enough to just enter the > > installation codes after a sysprep install (in fact, you can automate > > the installation code process of sysprep). > > Because, as I stated earlier, Red Hat and Novell are heading down the > same path. HOWEVER, RHEL and SLED/S are not crippling the system from > activation like MS did. (which is a plus in my book.) > > Keep in mind the "Windows Sucks" email came first. I added the "OT" to > the subject line to accommodate the mail filters that are set up to > remove off topic discussions. Is this some type of etiquette violation > that you're speaking of here? I don't see the reason to address this > post as being of no interest to the Linux community.etiquette > guidelines were followed...you have me quite perplexed on why such a > post is being singled out as of no interest to the Linux mail list. I > have seen several postings to the list that have been off-topic with no > declaration of being off-topic. I'm not list mom and I've certainly posted enough OT stuff myself so I'm sorry that I chastised you. I did ignore the first one. Feel free to post away and I'll shut up. Clearly Microsoft is not the only company using 'activation' - as you pointed out there are Linux distributions doing 'activation' as well as many proprietary companies doing it. It's virtually a standard practice. I guess I just found the whole diatribe about activation mis-targeted because your issue seemed more targeted towards sysprep or just the process of system cloning in general (wrt Windows). The process of 'activation' itself is pretty much automatic for virtually every software package I've seen (notwithstanding the initial release of Quark Express 6.0 which I had a pile of installations to do at an ad agency and Internet activation failed 100% which required a call to Quark's 800, which routed to India and which fell on an Indian holiday which meant that they were 100% SOL). That day, I hated 'activations' - normally...it's no big deal. Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SMTP auth problem
Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 18:05 -0700, Joey Prestia wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> On a server I am running RHEL 5.0 sendmail with saslauth for >> authenticated relay and recently logged in through ssh and changed a >> user password and now the user can not send authenticated relayed mail >> the password I thought might be the problem. Maybe it was stored in >> thunderbird e-mail client smtp password and username but I removed the >> users smtp account and reconfigured to use the new password but no luck >> So I thought that perhaps saslpassword could be the problem and not >> being familiar with this I thought I would ask here. Do I need to create >> a saslauth password? > > how is smtp auth configured? postfix? sendmail? what are the auth > details? > I am administering a e-mail server running RHEL 5 with sendmail 8.13 and using dovecot imap most of the users are going to need to be able to send mail from their laptops and i have no idea what network they will be utilizing. I am using saslauthd and never created sasl passwords but folloing the guide at http://www.joreybump.com/code/howto/smtpauth.html was able to get it working. now after 6 months of no problem and a simple user password change i cannot relay from anywhere. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# sasldblistusers2 listusers failed [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# is this my problem? -- Joey Prestia --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SMTP auth problem
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 18:05 -0700, Joey Prestia wrote: > Hi All, > > On a server I am running RHEL 5.0 sendmail with saslauth for > authenticated relay and recently logged in through ssh and changed a > user password and now the user can not send authenticated relayed mail > the password I thought might be the problem. Maybe it was stored in > thunderbird e-mail client smtp password and username but I removed the > users smtp account and reconfigured to use the new password but no luck > So I thought that perhaps saslpassword could be the problem and not > being familiar with this I thought I would ask here. Do I need to create > a saslauth password? how is smtp auth configured? postfix? sendmail? what are the auth details? Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
SMTP auth problem
Hi All, On a server I am running RHEL 5.0 sendmail with saslauth for authenticated relay and recently logged in through ssh and changed a user password and now the user can not send authenticated relayed mail the password I thought might be the problem. Maybe it was stored in thunderbird e-mail client smtp password and username but I removed the users smtp account and reconfigured to use the new password but no luck So I thought that perhaps saslpassword could be the problem and not being familiar with this I thought I would ask here. Do I need to create a saslauth password? -- Joey Prestia --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
The article says "Miller concluded, “It makes no sense to require a computer repairman with 10 or 20 years of experience to get a degree in criminal justice just to continue working in his occupation. This law will drive up the price of computer repair for everyone, and that’s exactly what the private investigations industry wants.”". If a PI license is needed to work with private data, which every company has, then being a PI while possessing computer skills would make one in demand and I would thing their compensation would increase accordingly. So what happens in data centers? Do they close in Texas and move to another state? Seems such a law would have wide reaching consequences, most of them not good! This type of law could put Texas out of business. Keith Smith (520) 207-9877 PHP Programmer --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 5:22 PM On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really don't see where the law states every computer repair shop > requires a license. This sounds like a very poorly written "news" > story. the story has been picked up by the OMG1984! crowd ala Alex Jones, but... there is little question that the law has elevated the legal exposure for computer technicians in the state of Texas. These kinds of laws have ways of repeating themselves in other state legislatures. a good link off the initial story: http://www.ij.org/first_amendment/tx_computer_repair/6_26_08pr.html -jmz > > The law explicitly states what people the law applies to: > > -- Snip -- > Section 1702.102(a), Occupations Code, is amended to read as follows: > (a) Unless the person holds a license as a security services > contractor, a person may not: >(1) act as an alarm systems company, armored car company, courier > company, guard company, [or] guard dog company, locksmith company, _or > private security consultant company_; > -- Snip -- > > > What this tells me is that computer repair shops "cannot act as a > private security consultant company" without the appropriate license to > do so. > > So, this is really based off the type of business. If you're a repair > shop, you wouldn't be subject to this law unless part of your business > is "private security consultant company". > > Of course, spyware and virus removal may fall under "security > consultant" activities. So, the computer repair shop just needs to > change their approach. > > "We can make no recommendations regarding computer security, however, > spyware and viruses are notorious for slowing computer performance. We > are computer performance experts, not computer security experts." > > I think it's just that simple. :) > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
We do not live in a vacuum. I would expect most on the list are exposed to Windows in one shape or form. You are okay as far as I am concerned. Some windows topic comes up every so often. Keith Smith (520) 207-9877 PHP Programmer --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!! To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 5:12 PM > honestly, after reading your earlier diatribe, I couldn't help but > wonder what it has to do with Linux - after all, this is a Linux list. > > Yes, Microsoft, like other companies is heavily invested in technologies > that seek to tie usage to a valid sale and they engage in this because > they believe it to be a worthwhile strategy. I fail to see how/why this > is of interest to a Linux mail list though. > > I find some of their other tactics such as their restrictive EULA, their > active efforts into DRM at the expense of access to devices and > documents are far more egregious than the activation scheme that you are > railing about. Personally, I found it easy enough to just enter the > installation codes after a sysprep install (in fact, you can automate > the installation code process of sysprep). Because, as I stated earlier, Red Hat and Novell are heading down the same path. HOWEVER, RHEL and SLED/S are not crippling the system from activation like MS did. (which is a plus in my book.) Keep in mind the "Windows Sucks" email came first. I added the "OT" to the subject line to accommodate the mail filters that are set up to remove off topic discussions. Is this some type of etiquette violation that you're speaking of here? I don't see the reason to address this post as being of no interest to the Linux community.etiquette guidelines were followed...you have me quite perplexed on why such a post is being singled out as of no interest to the Linux mail list. I have seen several postings to the list that have been off-topic with no declaration of being off-topic. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
I would agree to some extent. I was not trying to introduce oranges into your apples. In the 80's the owners of dBase, Ashton-Tate, found that they actually made more sales when they removed their copy protection which was common during the mid to late 1980's. For the old timers they will recall CopyIIPC. I find Windows with all it's draw backs to be more cost effective than Linux for the Desktop. Twice I have attempted to go Microsoft free. There is a substantial learning curve for Linux on the desktop. I find for me it is best to buy a Dell with the Microsoft o/s pre-installed. All I have to do is load a few applications and configure the network. However I do prefer Linux over Windows in servers. My Dev box runs Linux. It is great. I find most of this is just the cost of doing business. Keith Smith (520) 207-9877 PHP Programmer --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!! To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:27 PM On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 15:11 -0700, keith smith wrote: > > So if someone decides not to go with windows and use Linux, is there > not a learning curve there also. > > What about the cost of learning a new programming language every 6 to > 10 years? Is there a cost to that? > > Writing and re-wringing software is there not a cost to that also? > Writing an app for DOS then migrating it to Windows, then more > windows... then making it web based or browser based. What next? > Doesn't this cost too? > > What if we were still with DOS? WOW most of us would not have a > job. > Keith, I respect your view here. But I must ask you...why are you comparing apples to oranges? Activation has absolutely no bearing on making a product better nor does it have a bearing on *advancing technology*. It was implemented to *reduce costs* and has not done so. I made no attack on progress...I made an attack on wastefulness. Windows Activation is 100% waste. (Much like any activation.) If people want to steal, they will steal your product. Windows XP SP3 is on it's way out$20.00 says pirates have activation disabled within a week of release. Don't punish your users for the immorality of a few. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really don't see where the law states every computer repair shop > requires a license. This sounds like a very poorly written "news" > story. the story has been picked up by the OMG1984! crowd ala Alex Jones, but... there is little question that the law has elevated the legal exposure for computer technicians in the state of Texas. These kinds of laws have ways of repeating themselves in other state legislatures. a good link off the initial story: http://www.ij.org/first_amendment/tx_computer_repair/6_26_08pr.html -jmz > > The law explicitly states what people the law applies to: > > -- Snip -- > Section 1702.102(a), Occupations Code, is amended to read as follows: > (a) Unless the person holds a license as a security services > contractor, a person may not: >(1) act as an alarm systems company, armored car company, courier > company, guard company, [or] guard dog company, locksmith company, _or > private security consultant company_; > -- Snip -- > > > What this tells me is that computer repair shops "cannot act as a > private security consultant company" without the appropriate license to > do so. > > So, this is really based off the type of business. If you're a repair > shop, you wouldn't be subject to this law unless part of your business > is "private security consultant company". > > Of course, spyware and virus removal may fall under "security > consultant" activities. So, the computer repair shop just needs to > change their approach. > > "We can make no recommendations regarding computer security, however, > spyware and viruses are notorious for slowing computer performance. We > are computer performance experts, not computer security experts." > > I think it's just that simple. :) > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
> honestly, after reading your earlier diatribe, I couldn't help but > wonder what it has to do with Linux - after all, this is a Linux list. > > Yes, Microsoft, like other companies is heavily invested in technologies > that seek to tie usage to a valid sale and they engage in this because > they believe it to be a worthwhile strategy. I fail to see how/why this > is of interest to a Linux mail list though. > > I find some of their other tactics such as their restrictive EULA, their > active efforts into DRM at the expense of access to devices and > documents are far more egregious than the activation scheme that you are > railing about. Personally, I found it easy enough to just enter the > installation codes after a sysprep install (in fact, you can automate > the installation code process of sysprep). Because, as I stated earlier, Red Hat and Novell are heading down the same path. HOWEVER, RHEL and SLED/S are not crippling the system from activation like MS did. (which is a plus in my book.) Keep in mind the "Windows Sucks" email came first. I added the "OT" to the subject line to accommodate the mail filters that are set up to remove off topic discussions. Is this some type of etiquette violation that you're speaking of here? I don't see the reason to address this post as being of no interest to the Linux community.etiquette guidelines were followed...you have me quite perplexed on why such a post is being singled out as of no interest to the Linux mail list. I have seen several postings to the list that have been off-topic with no declaration of being off-topic. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
I really don't see where the law states every computer repair shop requires a license. This sounds like a very poorly written "news" story. The law explicitly states what people the law applies to: -- Snip -- Section 1702.102(a), Occupations Code, is amended to read as follows: (a) Unless the person holds a license as a security services contractor, a person may not: (1) act as an alarm systems company, armored car company, courier company, guard company, [or] guard dog company, locksmith company, _or private security consultant company_; -- Snip -- What this tells me is that computer repair shops "cannot act as a private security consultant company" without the appropriate license to do so. So, this is really based off the type of business. If you're a repair shop, you wouldn't be subject to this law unless part of your business is "private security consultant company". Of course, spyware and virus removal may fall under "security consultant" activities. So, the computer repair shop just needs to change their approach. "We can make no recommendations regarding computer security, however, spyware and viruses are notorious for slowing computer performance. We are computer performance experts, not computer security experts." I think it's just that simple. :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 16:27 -0700, Jason Spatafore wrote: > On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 15:11 -0700, keith smith wrote: > > > > So if someone decides not to go with windows and use Linux, is there > > not a learning curve there also. > > > > What about the cost of learning a new programming language every 6 to > > 10 years? Is there a cost to that? > > > > Writing and re-wringing software is there not a cost to that also? > > Writing an app for DOS then migrating it to Windows, then more > > windows... then making it web based or browser based. What next? > > Doesn't this cost too? > > > > What if we were still with DOS? WOW most of us would not have a > > job. > > > > Keith, > > I respect your view here. But I must ask you...why are you comparing > apples to oranges? Activation has absolutely no bearing on making a > product better nor does it have a bearing on *advancing technology*. It > was implemented to *reduce costs* and has not done so. I made no attack > on progress...I made an attack on wastefulness. Windows Activation is > 100% waste. (Much like any activation.) > > If people want to steal, they will steal your product. Windows XP SP3 is > on it's way out$20.00 says pirates have activation disabled within a > week of release. Don't punish your users for the immorality of a few. honestly, after reading your earlier diatribe, I couldn't help but wonder what it has to do with Linux - after all, this is a Linux list. Yes, Microsoft, like other companies is heavily invested in technologies that seek to tie usage to a valid sale and they engage in this because they believe it to be a worthwhile strategy. I fail to see how/why this is of interest to a Linux mail list though. I find some of their other tactics such as their restrictive EULA, their active efforts into DRM at the expense of access to devices and documents are far more egregious than the activation scheme that you are railing about. Personally, I found it easy enough to just enter the installation codes after a sysprep install (in fact, you can automate the installation code process of sysprep). I would suppose that an argument could be made that by purchasing proprietary software, the purchaser has a vested interest in the economic viability in the company that makes the software and thus would want that company to maximize its revenues which at least on some level, imperils your arguments about activation requirements and the 'immorality of a few.' The level of impairment, like the suitability of activation requirements of Windows itself though really is of minimal interest to the list. Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 15:11 -0700, keith smith wrote: > > So if someone decides not to go with windows and use Linux, is there > not a learning curve there also. > > What about the cost of learning a new programming language every 6 to > 10 years? Is there a cost to that? > > Writing and re-wringing software is there not a cost to that also? > Writing an app for DOS then migrating it to Windows, then more > windows... then making it web based or browser based. What next? > Doesn't this cost too? > > What if we were still with DOS? WOW most of us would not have a > job. > Keith, I respect your view here. But I must ask you...why are you comparing apples to oranges? Activation has absolutely no bearing on making a product better nor does it have a bearing on *advancing technology*. It was implemented to *reduce costs* and has not done so. I made no attack on progress...I made an attack on wastefulness. Windows Activation is 100% waste. (Much like any activation.) If people want to steal, they will steal your product. Windows XP SP3 is on it's way out$20.00 says pirates have activation disabled within a week of release. Don't punish your users for the immorality of a few. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
Example, I am working on a shopping cart. The information stored is for the companies use only not for public consumption. Yikes!!! Sounds like I would need to be a PI Yikes!! Keith Smith (520) 207-9877 PHP Programmer --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 3:49 PM this is no small segment of the economy mind you... that are now required to either seek sponsorship (a way to promote nepotism), or a 3 year degree. As you state if this were in AZ you would be *required* to have sponsorship. a second take on Richard's citation: "(b) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), obtaining or furnishing information includes information obtained or furnished through the review and analysis of, and the investigation into the content of, computer-based data not available to the public." 'computer based data not available to the public' could be construed to just about anything. -jmz On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM, keith smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If some of the largest companies already employ tech with PI licenses, I > suspect they lobbied for the law to force the little guy out. > > In Arizona you must have 3 years of investigative experience to become an > agency and must have a sponsor to become a PI. > > So that leaves ex-police officers, insurance investigators, or those who > have been sponsored by a PI. > > A work around in Arizona would be to hire someone who qualifies to become a > PI agency who could then sponsor all the techies in obtaining a PI license. > > Or so that is how I think it works. > > > > Keith Smith > (520) 207-9877 > PHP Programmer > > > > --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:32 AM > > Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but its a very > interesting development. The only reason why I can imagine they would > put this into effect is for the government to have more control over > the services marketplace. > > http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php > > -- > > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
this is no small segment of the economy mind you... that are now required to either seek sponsorship (a way to promote nepotism), or a 3 year degree. As you state if this were in AZ you would be *required* to have sponsorship. a second take on Richard's citation: "(b) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), obtaining or furnishing information includes information obtained or furnished through the review and analysis of, and the investigation into the content of, computer-based data not available to the public." 'computer based data not available to the public' could be construed to just about anything. -jmz On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM, keith smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If some of the largest companies already employ tech with PI licenses, I > suspect they lobbied for the law to force the little guy out. > > In Arizona you must have 3 years of investigative experience to become an > agency and must have a sponsor to become a PI. > > So that leaves ex-police officers, insurance investigators, or those who > have been sponsored by a PI. > > A work around in Arizona would be to hire someone who qualifies to become a > PI agency who could then sponsor all the techies in obtaining a PI license. > > Or so that is how I think it works. > > > > Keith Smith > (520) 207-9877 > PHP Programmer > > > > --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:32 AM > > Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but its a very > interesting development. The only reason why I can imagine they would > put this into effect is for the government to have more control over > the services marketplace. > > http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php > > -- > > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
If some of the largest companies already employ tech with PI licenses, I suspect they lobbied for the law to force the little guy out. In Arizona you must have 3 years of investigative experience to become an agency and must have a sponsor to become a PI. So that leaves ex-police officers, insurance investigators, or those who have been sponsored by a PI. A work around in Arizona would be to hire someone who qualifies to become a PI agency who could then sponsor all the techies in obtaining a PI license. Or so that is how I think it works. Keith Smith (520) 207-9877 PHP Programmer --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:32 AM Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but its a very interesting development. The only reason why I can imagine they would put this into effect is for the government to have more control over the services marketplace. http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Server failover
Modern UltraMonkey now is layer 4. But this looks interesting: http://ultramonkey-l7.sourceforge.jp/index_en.html --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Lisa Kachold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Lisa Kachold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Server failover To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 6:30 PM WEB Server FARMS, clustering and failover: Let's use the "OSI Layer" here: Layer 5-7: If you are running Java in a single tiered model, there are cluster based options in the Application server side. Layer 3.5-4: Network hardware load balancer is an excellent tool. These also allow you do some URL rewriting (the best is a CSS switch; cheap Alteons are available for cheap used). They balance multiple servers for incoming packets and provide failover. Layer 3: drbd or heartbeat works but not really well. The server, not the Apache process will failover, and it not really scalable. Layer 3: Ultra Monkey no arp clustering. This is an Alan Cox kernel hack that will allow you to cluster a great number of servers to take a HUGE amounts of hits. If one quits it is removed from the Director. It works well, and is easy to setup. Ultra Monkey is the name of a product, but the application developed by Alan Cox is a kernel rebuild to route packets based on Mac address rather than IP from and to a Director script/application. Research it and see if you can engineer your own for you distro, or just buy Ultra Monkey. (503)754-4452 Blackberry || www.obnosis.com via USB PPP EDVO/CDMA on Dell Latitude PII - Kubuntu 7.10 --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Server failover To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:40 PM One of the places I worked for used this: http://bb4.com/ however it maybe too big for your needs, I am not sure. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Matt Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: keith smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I am looking for information on how I might be able to mirror one >> server onto another and set them up so if the main server dies >> the second server will take over automatically. > > heartbeat and drbd. http://linux-ha.org/ and http://drbd.org/ to > start. > >> The mirroring would require the website content itself and the >> MySql data. > > drbd works below the filesystem level, if you want to use that. You > really need a dedicated high-speed link between the 2 systems if you > want to use drbd. Unless you use one of the newer and less well > tested filesystems such as GFS, if you use drbd, you have to have the > primary machine mount the filesystem, and the secondary machine can't > mount the filesystem at all. Scripts allow the secondary machine to > become primary if/when the primary flails over. > >> Now if I had 3 servers would I be able to do this by having them >> all three working as a "farm" to serve up multiple websites? > > Not in the way described above. drbd is very much a 2-machine system. > You could have a drbd cluster with large disks acting as the main > fileserver, and 1..N machines that mount the filesystems on that > server via NFS. Then machines 1..N could serve content via apache > or apache combined with ldirectord. > >> Is it possible to do this on a small budget? > > Define "small". You need boxes, time to set it all up, and disks. > > -- > Matt G / Dances With Crows > The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
So if someone decides not to go with windows and use Linux, is there not a learning curve there also. What about the cost of learning a new programming language every 6 to 10 years? Is there a cost to that? Writing and re-wringing software is there not a cost to that also? Writing an app for DOS then migrating it to Windows, then more windows... then making it web based or browser based. What next? Doesn't this cost too? What if we were still with DOS? WOW most of us would not have a job. Keith Smith --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!! To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:21 AM Microsoft lost me at activation. I noticed you didn't list any activation woes in thereyou don't have to activate with *most* flavors of Linux. (RHEL and SLES are going down that route.) Here's something I wrote awhile back on activation. How much money has Microsoft cost the USA since Windows XP has been released? My co-workers and I were having a discussion the other day. They were trying to figure out sysprep, the tool used by OEM's for Windows activation. They spent 2 days working on trying to make a Windows image that would not require activation. Of course, I informed them that it is possible to work with Microsoft on creating such an image as long as legalities are taken care of. But they still needed to learn sysprep and it's options. Not because sysprep is a great tool for Out Of Box Experience (OOBE), but because they need to understand how activation works and what is involved. But why? Why would people need to learn about activation and how it works? That's right, Microsoft said so...and companies have followed suit. I have refused to use Microsoft's operating systems since WinXP locked me out for upgrading my computer too many times (yes, I called MS and was told too bad). I gave Vista a try (work gave me a free *legal* copy)...hoping that MS has fixed the issues. Nope, two upgrades later and I'm locked out (although I could use the computer for limited use, I didn't bother calling MS this time around. Been there, done that). So, I'm on Ubuntu Linux nowI find I don't need Windows. Anyway, enough about me...let's talk about how much Microsoft's Windows Activation has cost the world...specifically, let's talk about the USA's cost. Microsoft started activation to stop piracy...well, lessen piracy. They wanted to stop the casual copier and wanted to make people more aware of what they thought was a serious problem costing them millions of dollars a year. So, they made the decision to include activation, and consequently pass that millions in savings as costs to the end-user. Don't believe me? Let's look at the facts. Fact number one is: Activation takes time to learn by technicians. Yes, people who need to build computers need to learn about Windows activation. This means that every computer technician out there who works on Windows needs to understand activation. Any technician involved in building new systems must spend time to learn activation. With that said, how many technicians are we speaking about and how much time are we talking here? According to the Department of Labor, over 500,000 people are computer support specialists. Now, it would be irresponsible to say that 100% of those people need to learn product activation...I mean, there's at least 10% out there that don't touch Windows at all. So, I am going to go conservative here and say that 60% of the people in the field will know about Windows activation and how it works. That is 300,000 people. In order to understand sysprep and how it works, the time to learn is about 2 hours. That is reading and understanding, not testing and proving. So, 300,000 * 2 = 600,000 hours. Don't stop there...we need to take that time to learn and convert it to dollars. Again, I want to be conservative. Support desk personnel are the lowest paid in this area. Yes, that is a fact. So, let's use their salary to determine the LEAST amount of money Microsoft has cost the country. The lowest wage reported on the DOL site is $25,290/year. Converted to hourly rate, 40 hours/week * 52 weeks / year equals 2080 hours per year (with no paid vacations). Now, divide $25,290 by 2080 hours and you get $12.15 per hour. So, lowest cost for today's workforce to just learn Windows activation: $7,290,000. Windows XP was released in 2001...it is now 2008. In 7 years, Microsoft has cost the United States of America at least $7.29 million. Wow. That is a lot of money to support another company's method of piracy prevention. Fact number two is: Activation takes time. Yes, believe it or not, it does take time. At some point in the process of building a PC and loading Windows, the system had to be activated. There are workarounds, such as activations tied to BIOS strings and so on...but those methods also re
Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
In principle, yes. Put the antenna where it will get the best reception. Play with it to determine where that is. Perhaps what you may need is a 'T' connector, depending on your setup. Radio Shack and Fry's have lots of options. Try to use as few connectors as possible. Each one saps signal strength. At one time having a UHF antenna on the TV was considered the epitome of in. The more knobs and gadgets on it the better. Harold -Original Message- From: Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup? Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:50:55 -0700 Thanks, plugger friends, for your responses. So, may I ask one more related question: Since there are cable jacks in three rooms in our house, could I just relocate in the unsightly "set-top" UHF antenna that I now have sitting on top of the TV in the living room and perhaps use a double-male coupler (is there such a thing) to plug that simple antenna into the cabling that runs through the house and thereby obtain a signal for the other two rooms? On 7/4/08, eculbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ANY good uhf antenna IS a hdtv antenna. As long as it will receive in the 800mhz band, don't waste your money on 'special hdtv antennas'. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Server failover
Correction: Ultra Monkey is now FREE: www.ultramonkey.org (503)754-4452 Blackberry || www.obnosis.com via USB PPP EDVO/CDMA on Dell Latitude PII - Kubuntu 7.10 --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Lisa Kachold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Lisa Kachold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Server failover To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 6:30 PM WEB Server FARMS, clustering and failover: Let's use the "OSI Layer" here: Layer 5-7: If you are running Java in a single tiered model, there are cluster based options in the Application server side. Layer 3.5-4: Network hardware load balancer is an excellent tool. These also allow you do some URL rewriting (the best is a CSS switch; cheap Alteons are available for cheap used). They balance multiple servers for incoming packets and provide failover. Layer 3: drbd or heartbeat works but not really well. The server, not the Apache process will failover, and it not really scalable. Layer 3: Ultra Monkey no arp clustering. This is an Alan Cox kernel hack that will allow you to cluster a great number of servers to take a HUGE amounts of hits. If one quits it is removed from the Director. It works well, and is easy to setup. Ultra Monkey is the name of a product, but the application developed by Alan Cox is a kernel rebuild to route packets based on Mac address rather than IP from and to a Director script/application. Research it and see if you can engineer your own for you distro, or just buy Ultra Monkey. (503)754-4452 Blackberry || www.obnosis.com via USB PPP EDVO/CDMA on Dell Latitude PII - Kubuntu 7.10 --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Server failover To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:40 PM One of the places I worked for used this: http://bb4.com/ however it maybe too big for your needs, I am not sure. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Matt Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: keith smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I am looking for information on how I might be able to mirror one >> server onto another and set them up so if the main server dies >> the second server will take over automatically. > > heartbeat and drbd. http://linux-ha.org/ and http://drbd.org/ to > start. > >> The mirroring would require the website content itself and the >> MySql data. > > drbd works below the filesystem level, if you want to use that. You > really need a dedicated high-speed link between the 2 systems if you > want to use drbd. Unless you use one of the newer and less well > tested filesystems such as GFS, if you use drbd, you have to have the > primary machine mount the filesystem, and the secondary machine can't > mount the filesystem at all. Scripts allow the secondary machine to > become primary if/when the primary flails over. > >> Now if I had 3 servers would I be able to do this by having them >> all three working as a "farm" to serve up multiple websites? > > Not in the way described above. drbd is very much a 2-machine system. > You could have a drbd cluster with large disks acting as the main > fileserver, and 1..N machines that mount the filesystems on that > server via NFS. Then machines 1..N could serve content via apache > or apache combined with ldirectord. > >> Is it possible to do this on a small budget? > > Define "small". You need boxes, time to set it all up, and disks. > > -- > Matt G / Dances With Crows > The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
Thanks, plugger friends, for your responses. So, may I ask one more related question: Since there are cable jacks in three rooms in our house, could I just relocate in the unsightly "set-top" UHF antenna that I now have sitting on top of the TV in the living room and perhaps use a double-male coupler (is there such a thing) to plug that simple antenna into the cabling that runs through the house and thereby obtain a signal for the other two rooms? On 7/4/08, eculbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ANY good uhf antenna IS a hdtv antenna. As long as it will receive in the 800mhz band, don't waste your money on 'special hdtv antennas'. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
thanks Richard! perhaps its not so OMG 19841! :) happy 4th to all! -jmz On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Richard Daggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The law states you need a PI License if you (I may be reading this wrong). > > " (b) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), obtaining or > furnishing information includes information obtained or furnished > through the review and analysis of, and the investigation into the > content of, computer-based data not available to the public." > > So you only have to deal with this if you are working for PI or if a PI ask > you to look at somebody's computer. > > Article about the Law: > http://cw33.trb.com/news/kdaf-062608-computerspelpina,0,486476.story > > The article at the bottom has a interview with State Rep Joe Driver and he > explains that it does not affect most shops. > > Copy of the new Law: > http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB02833F.htm > > > Richard > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua > Zeidner > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:16 PM > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Matt Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> After a long battle with technology, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>> Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but >>> http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php >> >> "The name's Route. Trace Route. I got eight slugs in me. One's lead, > the >> rest are WordPress. The blog packs a wallop, and I pack a Leatherman. > I'm a >> private eye. And a computer tech." >> >> ...with most strange laws, the first thing to do is to follow the money. > Does >> some campaign contributor have a stake in a criminal-justice degree > granting >> school? Or is this a ham-fisted way to make techs legally responsible for >> misuse of customer's personal data? > > From what I have read, not only will all techs be required to get a > PI license (that requires either a law enforcement degree of some kind > or apprenticeship), but it is a punishable offense for someone to > purchase services from an unlicensed shop! In this environment it is > relatively easy for the courts to bar a person from the tech services > market (revoke their PI license). What qualifies as this class of > services is anyones guess (web dev?). > > -jmz > > -- > > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
It seems that Bill Gates is just as frustrated as the rest of the windows users: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
The law states you need a PI License if you (I may be reading this wrong). " (b) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), obtaining or furnishing information includes information obtained or furnished through the review and analysis of, and the investigation into the content of, computer-based data not available to the public." So you only have to deal with this if you are working for PI or if a PI ask you to look at somebody's computer. Article about the Law: http://cw33.trb.com/news/kdaf-062608-computerspelpina,0,486476.story The article at the bottom has a interview with State Rep Joe Driver and he explains that it does not affect most shops. Copy of the new Law: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB02833F.htm Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Matt Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After a long battle with technology, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but >> http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php > > "The name's Route. Trace Route. I got eight slugs in me. One's lead, the > rest are WordPress. The blog packs a wallop, and I pack a Leatherman. I'm a > private eye. And a computer tech." > > ...with most strange laws, the first thing to do is to follow the money. Does > some campaign contributor have a stake in a criminal-justice degree granting > school? Or is this a ham-fisted way to make techs legally responsible for > misuse of customer's personal data? From what I have read, not only will all techs be required to get a PI license (that requires either a law enforcement degree of some kind or apprenticeship), but it is a punishable offense for someone to purchase services from an unlicensed shop! In this environment it is relatively easy for the courts to bar a person from the tech services market (revoke their PI license). What qualifies as this class of services is anyones guess (web dev?). -jmz -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Save a document as .doc instead of as odf or pdf
Help! I just converted from XP and do enjoy the lack of viruses and all the resulting reformat and reinstall of program exercise. However, I am experiencing a few frustrations. Recently trying to do a resume upload to Monster.com I hit a stone wall when I tried to browse and upload a converted file that was in pdf format. They required .doc format. I spend an hour opening, select all, copy and paste into new window and trying to save in .doc but failed. Finally had to paste directly into the Monster window instead of uploading. Is there a way to do it? And, I recently got bold and asked Mike to change my password and user name on Ubuntu. That seemed easy enough and will keep my kids off my computer. But, alas, there is now a sub account (the new one) and I have to go into it and then arrow up to get to the previous user account and if I want anything there (documents) I have to open and read or print or select all, copy and paste into a new document page in the new user account because I am locked out of the old user account. Is there a way to unlock the old user account? Also, that action resulted in the apparent loss of my quick into yahoo upon click on the link to wifi and also my saved bookmarks. I have searched and searched and cannot find where they have gone. Any suggestions or advice? Thanks Tom --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
I live 'over the hump' that is the hump between camelback mtn. and papago peak. And I have two dtv converters. I have a 30 dollar regular tv amplified pair of rabbit ears fully unscrewed with just the 'loop' hanging in the front westward facing window. Then a splitter to two tv's. One has about a 50 foot run to here..my bedroom. A few weeks ago, had a short period of breakups about sundown, but otherwise plenty of signals. ANY good uhf antenna IS a hdtv antenna. As long as it will receive in the 800mhz band, don't waste your money on 'special hdtv antennas'. This from a general class ham and plenty of discussions have shown up basically stating that on the ham radio lists I belong to. I understand that down the road, there will be a need for SOME stations to revert to vhf, so don't cut or destroy the vhf...longer straight rabbit ears or elements on the antenna just yet. Mine unscrewed and are stored. I am less than 1/4 mile west of the Indian Bend Wash so very 'tucked in' behind the hump and cannot see south mountain if you bulldozed off all the buildings or anything in a direct path to the stations on the mountain. But get 'good to solid' and voice and video is great even on the 'converter box' which I am sure and have been told 'isn't nearly as good as the built in tuner is' in a true hdtv tv. Those $75-200 ripoffs for special hdtv antennas are just that..a ripoff. You could go to radio shack, buy a 'signal booster' and build just as good an antenna for about $5 more than the booster costs. And if your engineering is good enough, probably a better signal amplifier device!! I can only get one station w/o the probably weak amplifier include in the $30 rabbit ears antenna I use. I did have to hang it from the curtain rod, but we seldom open that window anyway. Just my two cents worth. Don't become a sucker for 'special antennas' as there is NOTHING special about the signal, it is just 800 band uhf that happens to be one of the digital modes. IF I am correct instead of Frequency modulated, it is basically either frequency shifted much like teletype or on/off frequency much like cw...haven't checked it out that far, and don't need to. Some of the OLD freqs are not going to be used, but that doesn't make the ones that will be remaining on uhf and those vhf ones to need a different antenna than the old analog type signals. All an antenna cares about is the frequency, not the mode. So go spend the money if your wallet is fat, the crooks will love itvacationing in the south pacific at your expense. Oh, I am having way less problem SINCE I got the dtv boxes than on the old system with the SAME antenna setup!! You MAY get better signals from a $100 plus 'hdtv' antenna...only because MAYBE it has a better amplifier for the signal.. Not because the elements that make up the antenna are special but because as stated it MIGHT have a better $50 amplifier attached to $3 extra metal housing/marking/packaging/wording/whatever that does nothing for receiving the signal in the antenna part. Nice profit for them!! Ed Culbertson, former electronic test tech and general licensed ham. Ed/ke7feg Did I mention, 2/23/07 the FCC dropped all cw (AKA Morse code) testing for any class of license as a ham? Just pass the written exams. --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup? > To: "Plug" > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 11:22 AM > What do recommend as the best HDTV antenna setup? > > Does signal strength need to be boosted if I put an antenna > in my attic > and run a long coax cable to connect it into my house cable > with 3 devices > connected? > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Matt Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After a long battle with technology, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but >> http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php > > "The name's Route. Trace Route. I got eight slugs in me. One's lead, the > rest are WordPress. The blog packs a wallop, and I pack a Leatherman. I'm a > private eye. And a computer tech." > > ...with most strange laws, the first thing to do is to follow the money. Does > some campaign contributor have a stake in a criminal-justice degree granting > school? Or is this a ham-fisted way to make techs legally responsible for > misuse of customer's personal data? From what I have read, not only will all techs be required to get a PI license (that requires either a law enforcement degree of some kind or apprenticeship), but it is a punishable offense for someone to purchase services from an unlicensed shop! In this environment it is relatively easy for the courts to bar a person from the tech services market (revoke their PI license). What qualifies as this class of services is anyones guess (web dev?). -jmz -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
Try this link. http://www.hdtvantennalabs.com/hdtv-antenna-hype.php It says in essence there is no such thing as a HDTV antenna. An antenna is an antenna. Signal boosters will amplify the bad along with the good. Try it without and see what you get. You can always spend money later. Harold -Original Message- From: Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list To: Plug Subject: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup? Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:22:17 -0700 What do recommend as the best HDTV antenna setup? Does signal strength need to be boosted if I put an antenna in my attic and run a long coax cable to connect it into my house cable with 3 devices connected? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
What do recommend as the best HDTV antenna setup? Does signal strength need to be boosted if I put an antenna in my attic and run a long coax cable to connect it into my house cable with 3 devices connected? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
After a long battle with technology, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but > http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php "The name's Route. Trace Route. I got eight slugs in me. One's lead, the rest are WordPress. The blog packs a wallop, and I pack a Leatherman. I'm a private eye. And a computer tech." ...with most strange laws, the first thing to do is to follow the money. Does some campaign contributor have a stake in a criminal-justice degree granting school? Or is this a ham-fisted way to make techs legally responsible for misuse of customer's personal data? -- "To avoid being eaten, the puffer fish blows itself up" -- Debbie Maizels My blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: New Law In Texas Requires PI License for Computer Techs
Not sure if this kind of law will find its way to AZ, but its a very interesting development. The only reason why I can imagine they would put this into effect is for the government to have more control over the services marketplace. http://www.gearlog.com/2008/06/new_texas_law_requires_pi_lice.php -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Re: windows SUCKS!!!
Microsoft lost me at activation. I noticed you didn't list any activation woes in thereyou don't have to activate with *most* flavors of Linux. (RHEL and SLES are going down that route.) Here's something I wrote awhile back on activation. How much money has Microsoft cost the USA since Windows XP has been released? My co-workers and I were having a discussion the other day. They were trying to figure out sysprep, the tool used by OEM's for Windows activation. They spent 2 days working on trying to make a Windows image that would not require activation. Of course, I informed them that it is possible to work with Microsoft on creating such an image as long as legalities are taken care of. But they still needed to learn sysprep and it's options. Not because sysprep is a great tool for Out Of Box Experience (OOBE), but because they need to understand how activation works and what is involved. But why? Why would people need to learn about activation and how it works? That's right, Microsoft said so...and companies have followed suit. I have refused to use Microsoft's operating systems since WinXP locked me out for upgrading my computer too many times (yes, I called MS and was told too bad). I gave Vista a try (work gave me a free *legal* copy)...hoping that MS has fixed the issues. Nope, two upgrades later and I'm locked out (although I could use the computer for limited use, I didn't bother calling MS this time around. Been there, done that). So, I'm on Ubuntu Linux nowI find I don't need Windows. Anyway, enough about me...let's talk about how much Microsoft's Windows Activation has cost the world...specifically, let's talk about the USA's cost. Microsoft started activation to stop piracy...well, lessen piracy. They wanted to stop the casual copier and wanted to make people more aware of what they thought was a serious problem costing them millions of dollars a year. So, they made the decision to include activation, and consequently pass that millions in savings as costs to the end-user. Don't believe me? Let's look at the facts. Fact number one is: Activation takes time to learn by technicians. Yes, people who need to build computers need to learn about Windows activation. This means that every computer technician out there who works on Windows needs to understand activation. Any technician involved in building new systems must spend time to learn activation. With that said, how many technicians are we speaking about and how much time are we talking here? According to the Department of Labor, over 500,000 people are computer support specialists. Now, it would be irresponsible to say that 100% of those people need to learn product activation...I mean, there's at least 10% out there that don't touch Windows at all. So, I am going to go conservative here and say that 60% of the people in the field will know about Windows activation and how it works. That is 300,000 people. In order to understand sysprep and how it works, the time to learn is about 2 hours. That is reading and understanding, not testing and proving. So, 300,000 * 2 = 600,000 hours. Don't stop there...we need to take that time to learn and convert it to dollars. Again, I want to be conservative. Support desk personnel are the lowest paid in this area. Yes, that is a fact. So, let's use their salary to determine the LEAST amount of money Microsoft has cost the country. The lowest wage reported on the DOL site is $25,290/year. Converted to hourly rate, 40 hours/week * 52 weeks / year equals 2080 hours per year (with no paid vacations). Now, divide $25,290 by 2080 hours and you get $12.15 per hour. So, lowest cost for today's workforce to just learn Windows activation: $7,290,000. Windows XP was released in 2001...it is now 2008. In 7 years, Microsoft has cost the United States of America at least $7.29 million. Wow. That is a lot of money to support another company's method of piracy prevention. Fact number two is: Activation takes time. Yes, believe it or not, it does take time. At some point in the process of building a PC and loading Windows, the system had to be activated. There are workarounds, such as activations tied to BIOS strings and so on...but those methods also require time to develop, negotiate, and implement. Now, time can vary significantly here. It can be as simple as 1 minute for online activation to 10 minutes on a phone call with Microsoft explaining why you need to activate your computer. For simplicity sake, I am going to say 1 minute for every copy of Windows XP sold in the United States of America. Remember, I'm keeping this limited to USA expense, not worldwide. Worldwide would be much more time. Anyway, let's say 1 minute for each copy of Windows XP sold in the United States of America. Let's also keep in mind that Windows Server 2003, Server 2008, and Windows Vista are not being included in these numbers. This is a bare minimum estimate. According to Wikipedia, there are an estimated 400,000,000 cop
windows SUCKS!!!
This is the second time I have composed this email. The first subject was a bit more diplomatic. I was writing an email to share a post ( http://blog.sontek.net/2008/06/30/windows-hater-in-response-to-linux-hater/ ) that I read about the failings of MS-Windows. Ironically in the middle of typing the email *on my windows machine*, I got a BSOD followed by an immediate self-reboot! It was like it *knew* that I was dissing windows :) To add to the irony, after my machine rebooted, my onboard NIC did not exist according to the OS, so I couldn't get back online until I shut down and rebooted. My first draft said something along the lines of, that after reading the article I have to agree with most if not all of the points made. Installing drivers is a bit easier than he makes out, but maybe only because I have a lot of experience with using (and fixing) windows machines. So, I'm leaving my new email subject intact, as it reflects the frustration that Windows causes me probably on a weekly basis. I don't recall ever wanting to break things to relieve stress of running Linux, or worry that it will randomly pull the carpet out from under me like Windows apparently can and will at any given moment. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
