Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET Can you get me one too? ;) I think i'll be getting one at the end of summer and putting a TMo prepaid card in it. That looks like one heck of a phone. Get a DBoard for it too ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
They don't say what carriers they work with :( On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Openmoko --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Supposedly it works with anything. I have confirmations from T-Mobile and ATT. They do a good job in the mailing list! ET JD Austin writes: They don't say what carriers they work with :( On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Openmoko --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Ryan Rix writes: kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET Can you get me one too? ;) I think i'll be getting one at the end of summer and putting a TMo prepaid card in it. That looks like one heck of a phone. Get a DBoard for it too ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Var-log.com is for SALE!
Make an offer... like 20 bux and see what happenes On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Lisa Kacholdlisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I want it! http://www.sedo.com/search/details.php4?domain=var-log.compartnerid=14460language=eet_cid=25et_lid=65 -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Var-log.com is for SALE!
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Make an offer... like 20 bux and see what happenes Probably cost a fortune! But I did it. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Lisa Kacholdlisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I want it! http://www.sedo.com/search/details.php4?domain=var-log.compartnerid=14460language=eet_cid=25et_lid=65 -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
I want to see the cellphone in a pink mini-skirt too! On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1234%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
so please don't take the conversation off-list. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I want to see the cellphone in a pink mini-skirt too! On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1234%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OWASP Meeting Tonight
Subject: Phoenix OWASP - Web Application Security meet-up Owasp monthly meeting is tonight with an exciting presentation planned that demonstrates ways hackers can use your web application to steal your data and attack servers and databases. Show up, learn how it works, how to defend yourself, and meet some other people interested in Web Application Security! http://www.facebook.com/l/;http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Phoenix -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
My mom Got her data processing Degree and had to program with punch cards when it was part of the Business College... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Alan Dayleyala...@consultpros.com wrote: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
anyhow for those who are curious, the USA coverage/compatibility Map http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Alltel Communications Inc GSM 850/1900 Live ATT Mobility GSM 1900 Live ATT Mobility GSM 850 Live ATT Mobility 3G 850/1900 Live T-Mobile USA, Inc GSM 1900 Live --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Did it.. Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN COLORS!!! All 8 of them! 8) At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards Did it too... Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) Your baby... ET Alan Dayley writes: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Don't recall the processor or system make/model, but my brother and I used to play a game called Offroad that booted from DOS and was just yellow lines on a black screen. Printer was dot matrix with the tear-off feeder holes on each side of the paper. First modem was a 56k, but that was a couple computers later, when we got a 300MHz Compaq Presario. I wonder if I can salvage the network cards out of them... should be good enough for a pfsense setup... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Did it.. Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN COLORS!!! All 8 of them! 8) At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards Did it too... Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) Your baby... ET Alan Dayley writes: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Alan Dayley wrote: At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. FWIW, I did all of these (glad to have started in Jr High). Learned to type on a card punch machine. Any missed key, and you got a blank card, duped up to your mistake, and continued. Missed keys cost a lot of time. Mainframe console was an IBM Selectric typewriter (with the ball). You had to type in a page worth of commands to boot DOS (IBM 360/44). Video displays were a real luxury when they finally came along. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor!
Alan Dayley wrote: According to the following photo, Village Inn restaurant is evidently re-branding themselves as a well known text editor. Some say, the only true text editor. http://twitpic.com/9mndv In lower-case, even! We should have a Stammtisch there sometime. Alan LOL! Very good Alan. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor!
now that made me laugh! On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: According to the following photo, Village Inn restaurant is evidently re-branding themselves as a well known text editor. Some say, the only true text editor. http://twitpic.com/9mndv In lower-case, even! We should have a Stammtisch there sometime. Alan LOL! Very good Alan. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor!
Oh. Nice find. :-) There's a legacy vi near the Intel Chandler campus that closed up sometime back. Maybe they'll re-release under the new banner :-). ymmv, C.G. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: According to the following photo, Village Inn restaurant is evidently re-branding themselves as a well known text editor. Some say, the only true text editor. http://twitpic.com/9mndv In lower-case, even! We should have a Stammtisch there sometime. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Carlos Macedo Gomes http://claimid.com/cmgomes --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor!
On Tue 7 July 2009 7:28:22 pm Alan Dayley wrote: Some say, the only true text editor. Some say?? psh. God coded the universe using vi. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue 7 July 2009 6:53:41 pm Alan Dayley wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Did it.. Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN COLORS!!! All 8 of them! 8) It was WAY COOL! Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) Our high school had one of these beauties: http://www.omnidatasys.net/product/spec_printer_ti820.htm When the terminals acted up, we could use this to get on the district main frame. It was already old then, but not yet uncommon. Alan Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Control Data Institute 1978 Punching cards, reading tapes, Cobol, and memory the size of the room. Where you could look into the core and see the little cores flipping back and forth on the wires. I have pictures too. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:38 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket? My mom Got her data processing Degree and had to program with punch cards when it was part of the Business College... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Alan Dayleyala...@consultpros.com wrote: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor!
and he rested on vii -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:27 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor! On Tue 7 July 2009 7:28:22 pm Alan Dayley wrote: Some say, the only true text editor. Some say?? psh. God coded the universe using vi. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
I had one of those. Dual floppies, and I had visicalc when I was looking to buy my van. When the salesman said he could get my payments down to $200 dollars a month, I took the laptop out, plugged in the $200 and I told him he just cost me $5000 dollars. (over the life of the loan) He fell off his chair !!! -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:56 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: IPCop Network Cards
n Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Eric Copeeric.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I recently installed IPCop on a laptop. I am using a Red + Green installation. I have two questions. 1) How do I switch the ethernet adapters for each zone (one is 10/100 and the other is gigabit)? IPCop is a good choice. There is an interface on the laptop console, not in the remote management interface. One of it's provisions is to change the network settings. You will be able to pick which interface is Red and which Green through those menus. 2) I have a VPN server behind the firewall. Is it better to put it in the green zone and port forward the single port, or have an orange zone? Do I have to have a third network card for an orange zone? It is way better to have an Orange zone. And you must have a third network card to have an Orange zone. Probably hard to add a third with most laptops. You could put the VPN server on a single port forward into the Green, as you state. Probably safe enough but then I'm not a security guru. Because I am not a security guru, I would not do it that way. I would use the knowledge of the IPCop developers and get a different computer that can take three network cards so I have an Orange zone. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor!
Excellent, Bob! Bob Elzer wrote: and he rested on vii -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:27 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: (sort of) Village in is now THE editor! On Tue 7 July 2009 7:28:22 pm Alan Dayley wrote: Some say, the only true text editor. Some say?? psh. God coded the universe using vi. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Google Chrome OS on Linux
Google announced the concept of a new operating system they are calling Google Chrome OS. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application developers, the web is the platform. Will be Open Source with netbooks using it by 2nd half of 2010. Exciting! Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
IPCop Network Cards
Hello all, I recently installed IPCop on a laptop. I am using a Red + Green installation. I have two questions. 1) How do I switch the ethernet adapters for each zone (one is 10/100 and the other is gigabit)? 2) I have a VPN server behind the firewall. Is it better to put it in the green zone and port forward the single port, or have an orange zone? Do I have to have a third network card for an orange zone? Thanks in advance! -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: IPCop Network Cards
Eric Cope wrote: 2) I have a VPN server behind the firewall. Is it better to put it in the green zone and port forward the single port, or have an orange zone? Do I have to have a third network card for an orange zone? I would ditch the separate VPN server and let IPCop handle it. Stock IPCop does IPSec, and can handle OpenVPN with an addon. I've used both with success. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
