Re: OT: How to add a column of numbers in oo writer?
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 00:03 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote: How can I add up a column of numbers in oo writer? are they in a table? If so, you can enter formulas into the table as though you are in calc, and they will be processed. just go to an empty cell, hit =, then start typing a formula. you can even click/drag to select table regions. If they're not in a table for whatever reason, you can put them in a table by highlighting them, and hitting ctrl+F12, or going to Insert Table. I don't know how else you could do this... I tried inserting a formula with Insert Fields Other and going to formula, but I couldn't reference any numbers that way. Hope that helps! -- Andrew _ Registered Linux User: 473690 Registered Ubuntu User: 22747 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to add a column of numbers in oo writer?
Additionally, if/once they are in a table and there is a blank cell below the column/right of the row the tool tip that pops up has the summation symbol in it and you can click on that and assuming the formula that shows up is correct, just hit enter or tab. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Andrew Farris flyindrag...@aol.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 00:03 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote: How can I add up a column of numbers in oo writer? are they in a table? If so, you can enter formulas into the table as though you are in calc, and they will be processed. just go to an empty cell, hit =, then start typing a formula. you can even click/drag to select table regions. If they're not in a table for whatever reason, you can put them in a table by highlighting them, and hitting ctrl+F12, or going to Insert Table. I don't know how else you could do this... I tried inserting a formula with Insert Fields Other and going to formula, but I couldn't reference any numbers that way. Hope that helps! -- Andrew _ Registered Linux User: 473690 Registered Ubuntu User: 22747 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Determining hard drive state
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Kirk Bauer k...@kaybee.org wrote:
For the record, I have both ntfs and ext4 partitions on the drive,
both mounted at all times under Ubuntu 9.10, and the drive remains in
a standby state except when I'm actually using the drives.
Interesting. If I may ask, I'd like more details for my own education.
How do you know the drive is in standby?
I know when it is in standby by running hdparm -C /dev/sda (as I
learned on this list).
How do you know when you are actually using the drive?
For me, the only thing I have on the drive is my Windows partition
(which I virtually never use) and my data stores for VMWare Server.
So even though the drives are mounted, and even though VMWare Server
is running, until I actually access the Windows filesystem or
create/start a virtual machine, the drive isn't being used.
As you start using it, is there any latency or pause before the access
starts? If so, how long does it last? (Not looking for hard numbers,
just a felt guess.)
Definitely a 2-second delay when I first access the drive when it is in standby.
After you use it, how long before they go back to standby?
30 seconds (because of the -S setting below)
Did you do any special settings or configuration to achieve this behavior?
Default Ubuntu 9.10 settings, except I added this to /etc/hdparm.conf
(not sure what the default would have been though).
command_line {
hdparm -B 1 -S 6 /dev/sda
}
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Re: Determining hard drive state
Nice explanation, Kirk. Thanks.
Alan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Kirk Bauer k...@kaybee.org wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Kirk Bauer k...@kaybee.org wrote:
For the record, I have both ntfs and ext4 partitions on the drive,
both mounted at all times under Ubuntu 9.10, and the drive remains in
a standby state except when I'm actually using the drives.
Interesting. If I may ask, I'd like more details for my own education.
How do you know the drive is in standby?
I know when it is in standby by running hdparm -C /dev/sda (as I
learned on this list).
How do you know when you are actually using the drive?
For me, the only thing I have on the drive is my Windows partition
(which I virtually never use) and my data stores for VMWare Server.
So even though the drives are mounted, and even though VMWare Server
is running, until I actually access the Windows filesystem or
create/start a virtual machine, the drive isn't being used.
As you start using it, is there any latency or pause before the access
starts? If so, how long does it last? (Not looking for hard numbers,
just a felt guess.)
Definitely a 2-second delay when I first access the drive when it is in
standby.
After you use it, how long before they go back to standby?
30 seconds (because of the -S setting below)
Did you do any special settings or configuration to achieve this behavior?
Default Ubuntu 9.10 settings, except I added this to /etc/hdparm.conf
(not sure what the default would have been though).
command_line {
hdparm -B 1 -S 6 /dev/sda
}
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linux distro
Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss My Eee has an Atheros wireless card; works well with Fedora, Mandriva, Ubuntu. Try the live-cd versions to figure out which works for you. -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com Voice: 480.288.8195x201 Fax: 480.406.6753 http://www.twingeckos.com It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - J Krishnamurtihttp://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/randomquotes/%7E3/G2PjcLJ0ONI/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
I don't need current hardware... this computer is circa. 93 (about) . This is why linux rules to run an up-to date distro you don't need current hardware. It is not like M$ where xp hardware won't run on vista os; and xp won't run on earlier hardware; etc. I think M$ in in cahoots with hardware manufacturers! On 12/1/09, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
Has anyone noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of viable desktop/laptop/netbook distros? (And Chrome to rule them all.) Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:02 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: linux distro I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
How do you mean? On 12/1/09, tship...@deru.com tship...@deru.com wrote: Has anyone noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of viable desktop/laptop/netbook distros? (And Chrome to rule them all.) Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:02 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: linux distro I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
My bcm4311 and athk5 work fine in ArchLinux Funny thing is I was trying out distros to put on my eee900 and downloaded PuppyLinux 4.3.1. It worked great, but I didn't like the interface compared to Easy Peasey. Screen real estate is at a premium for sure on a netbook. The Atheros worked on the eee AND my bcm 4311 worked on the LIVE CD! That was a first for me. Of course Puppy comes from AU. Vi^3PP -- GNUPG validated with key 0xD537A8E1. Questionable validations please verify by phone for authenticity. RTF, TXT, LaTeX, PDF and DJVU files inline or by attachment are gladly accepted. Confidentiality guaranteed only by strong encrypted formats. Windows GNUPG Version: ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.10b.exe Bcrypt encryption, all platforms: http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ Proudly made by your nearest Mutt and Vim using Linux. pgpiHeBMpK2c9.pgp Description: PGP signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
For you? Ubuntu 9.10 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: linux distro
Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros, Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial. There was a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking at the desktop as a potential market. The survivors seem to have headed for big servers or special cases. Meanwhile, a lot of activity has opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's Android and Chrome. mike havens wrote: How do you mean? On 12/1/09, *tship...@deru.com mailto:tship...@deru.com* tship...@deru.com mailto:tship...@deru.com wrote: Has anyone noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of viable desktop/laptop/netbook distros? (And Chrome to rule them all.) Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:02 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: linux distro I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:48 -0800, mike havens wrote: Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff? I'd recommend Ubuntu 9.10, or Linux Mint 8 (based on Ubuntu). I've got Ubuntu on all my computers currently, and it works great. I haven't used Mint much, but I'm considering switching to it on my laptop at least. Have fun! -- Andrew _ Registered Linux User: 473690 Registered Ubuntu User: 22747 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux distro
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 15:27 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros, Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial. There was a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking at the desktop as a potential market. The survivors seem to have headed for big servers or special cases. Meanwhile, a lot of activity has opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's Android and Chrome. I think that Android and Chrome serve different purposes than the main stream Linux distributions - they are intended for lighterweight hardware, smaller cpu, smaller screens etc. and thus far, telephone and similar devices and netbooks have been their target. There clearly is a need for both lightweight desktops and full featured desktops. Any distribution looking to sell a Desktop OS is going to have to ramp put the technical support for it because people will have questions and expect answers. I gather that some of the early release images of Chrome have been dominating the torrents lately. I would like to point out that I just got a Moto Droid the other day and it is an extremely complicated device and I'm still discovering things about it. I thought at first it was curious that before the dude at the VZ store would hand me the telphone, he downloaded and installed 'Advanced Task Killer (Free)' and wanted to show me how to use it. I didn't need the demo, I understood what it was for but apparently at some level, VZ made a decision to teach people how to use these things because they are also holding classes on Android (one of my friends bought one and was very grateful for the class he went to). But I will point out things I didn't realize until after I got the Droid... - Evolution calendars sync rather well with Gmail calendars - Evolution contacts can mount Gmail contacts and contacts can be moved or copied back and forth (beware that certain punctuation like $/\ can cause problems) Not all fields work...but enough work - Evolution task lists however - fahgettabouddit It occurred to me that in this case, I was lucky because Linux desktop essentially already integrated support for Gmail while on Apple or Microsoft (especially Outlook), there are extra hoops. I also found when doing my google search thing for this, that the KDE PIM stuff can sync with Google but I don't use the KDE PIM stuff very much. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Droid/Android
Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 15:27 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros, Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial. There was a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking at the desktop as a potential market. The survivors seem to have headed for big servers or special cases. Meanwhile, a lot of activity has opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's Android and Chrome. I think that Android and Chrome serve different purposes than the main stream Linux distributions - they are intended for lighterweight hardware, smaller cpu, smaller screens etc. and thus far, telephone and similar devices and netbooks have been their target. There clearly is a need for both lightweight desktops and full featured desktops. Any distribution looking to sell a Desktop OS is going to have to ramp put the technical support for it because people will have questions and expect answers. I gather that some of the early release images of Chrome have been dominating the torrents lately. I would like to point out that I just got a Moto Droid the other day and it is an extremely complicated device and I'm still discovering things about it. I thought at first it was curious that before the dude at the VZ store would hand me the telphone, he downloaded and installed 'Advanced Task Killer (Free)' and wanted to show me how to use it. I didn't need the demo, I understood what it was for but apparently at some level, VZ made a decision to teach people how to use these things because they are also holding classes on Android (one of my friends bought one and was very grateful for the class he went to). But I will point out things I didn't realize until after I got the Droid... - Evolution calendars sync rather well with Gmail calendars - Evolution contacts can mount Gmail contacts and contacts can be moved or copied back and forth (beware that certain punctuation like $/\ can cause problems) Not all fields work...but enough work - Evolution task lists however - fahgettabouddit It occurred to me that in this case, I was lucky because Linux desktop essentially already integrated support for Gmail while on Apple or Microsoft (especially Outlook), there are extra hoops. I also found when doing my google search thing for this, that the KDE PIM stuff can sync with Google but I don't use the KDE PIM stuff very much. Craig I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK. It sounds like your (Craig's) experience jives with the reviews, Droid is a phone geeks will love. That means it's a niche product. OS X is the best consumer OS I've worked in. I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users I've known hate. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Droid/Android
anyone try this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android -jmz On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 15:27 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros, Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial. There was a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking at the desktop as a potential market. The survivors seem to have headed for big servers or special cases. Meanwhile, a lot of activity has opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's Android and Chrome. I think that Android and Chrome serve different purposes than the main stream Linux distributions - they are intended for lighterweight hardware, smaller cpu, smaller screens etc. and thus far, telephone and similar devices and netbooks have been their target. There clearly is a need for both lightweight desktops and full featured desktops. Any distribution looking to sell a Desktop OS is going to have to ramp put the technical support for it because people will have questions and expect answers. I gather that some of the early release images of Chrome have been dominating the torrents lately. I would like to point out that I just got a Moto Droid the other day and it is an extremely complicated device and I'm still discovering things about it. I thought at first it was curious that before the dude at the VZ store would hand me the telphone, he downloaded and installed 'Advanced Task Killer (Free)' and wanted to show me how to use it. I didn't need the demo, I understood what it was for but apparently at some level, VZ made a decision to teach people how to use these things because they are also holding classes on Android (one of my friends bought one and was very grateful for the class he went to). But I will point out things I didn't realize until after I got the Droid... - Evolution calendars sync rather well with Gmail calendars - Evolution contacts can mount Gmail contacts and contacts can be moved or copied back and forth (beware that certain punctuation like $/\ can cause problems) Not all fields work...but enough work - Evolution task lists however - fahgettabouddit It occurred to me that in this case, I was lucky because Linux desktop essentially already integrated support for Gmail while on Apple or Microsoft (especially Outlook), there are extra hoops. I also found when doing my google search thing for this, that the KDE PIM stuff can sync with Google but I don't use the KDE PIM stuff very much. Craig I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK. It sounds like your (Craig's) experience jives with the reviews, Droid is a phone geeks will love. That means it's a niche product. OS X is the best consumer OS I've worked in. I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users I've known hate. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Droid/Android
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 17:45 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK. It sounds like your (Craig's) experience jives with the reviews, Droid is a phone geeks will love. That means it's a niche product. OS X is the best consumer OS I've worked in. I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users I've known hate. well, I was sort of focused on the Linux desktop and the various alternatives and mentioned the integration but... My friend Scott is clearly not a geek and he loves his Motorola Droid. As far as I can tell, Most iPhone users also struggle with getting beyond basic usage/features and either need classes at the Apple store or a geek friend to show them things so I am not so convinced that there is that much difference. In the final analysis though, Apple is locked and Droid is not locked. Same choices for a desktop computer as a mobile telephone. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Mysql Injection Scanner
Hey all, Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to follow and not require too much to be installed on the server. The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts). Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*. I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it. Anything else anyone would recommend? -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Mysql Injection Scanner
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Joe li...@joefleming.net wrote: Hey all, Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to follow and not require too much to be installed on the server. The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts). Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*. I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it. Anything else anyone would recommend? -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss It isn't an injection scanner but I recommend you install mod_security on your web server to help prevent these kinds of attacks. Also do not allow external access to mysql. A quick scan of source forge brought back this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/paros/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlmap/ -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com Voice: 480.288.8195x201 Fax: 480.406.6753 http://www.twingeckos.com Love all, trust a few. - Shakespearehttp://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/randomquotes/%7E3/G2PjcLJ0ONI/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Mysql Injection Scanner
The classic recommendation to protect yourself from SQL injection is to use parameterized queries religiously. A potential SQL injection point is anywhere you concatenate SQL including user contributed text instead of putting the user text into a SQL parameter. A side effect of parameterized queries is that the SQL parser in the RDBMS can often/usually pre-parse and optimize the parameterized queries so they run faster. But you probably already knew that. That said, a magic static code analyzer that would effortlessly find all potential SQL injection points for you would be nice. It will also be dependent on the procedural language you are using. Are you using PHP#? Joe wrote: Hey all, Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to follow and not require too much to be installed on the server. The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts). Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*. I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it. Anything else anyone would recommend? -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Droid/Android
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK. It sounds like your (Craig's) experience jives with the reviews, Droid is a phone geeks will love. That means it's a niche product. OS X is the best consumer OS I've worked in. I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users I've known hate. My wife and I picked up the MyTouch phones from T-Mobile a couple of months ago. She is technically savvy, loves her 2-year-old iPod Touch, decidedly not a geek and has declared that she loves her Android-based phone. One of my co-workers and his wife have the G1. His wife is even less geek than my wife and she loves her G1. My impression is that Android is not as polished and slick as iPhone, but is very close and is quite usable for a non-geek. BTW, this morning we could not connect through the work firewall to get to a vendor FTP site. I downloaded a no-cost FTP client from Android Market, FTPed the needed file to my phone, connected the phone to his computer as a USB mass storage device and got the job done in about 5 minutes. That was so geek-fun! Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Mysql Injection Scanner
It's not going to find everything, and it's definitely not a fully-automated tool, but I find the SQLInjectMe plugin for Firefox to be a very useful tool for SQL injection testing. For more automated scanning, you might try Wikto (http://www.sensepost.com/research/wikto/), although I don't know much about it... Joe wrote: Hey all, Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to follow and not require too much to be installed on the server. The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts). Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*. I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it. Anything else anyone would recommend? -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Mysql Injection Scanner
Joseph Sinclair gives us the experiential slant, as usual! * * I like the full set of Backend tools from OWASP: http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Backend_Security_Project_Tools i.e. SQL Dumper I really like the OWASP site for their comprehensive study of this subject: http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Reviewing_Code_for_SQL_Injection#How_to_Locate_Potentially_Vulnerable_Code and: http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Testing_for_SQL_Injection_(OWASP-DV-005) which covers the various types and includes examples and code. Much of this came out of Google Summer of code 2005, I believe. And Webgoat project from OWASP is really powerful if you are using J2EE application servers: http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebGoat_Project If you like command line and simplicity try: SQLscan.py is a great tool as in simple union join injection testing: *python SQLscan.py -g inurl:’.gov’ 200 -s ‘/index.php?offset=-1/**/UNION/**/SELECT/**/1,2,concat(password)/**/FROM/**/TABLE/*’ -write sql_found.txt -v* On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote: It's not going to find everything, and it's definitely not a fully-automated tool, but I find the SQLInjectMe plugin for Firefox to be a very useful tool for SQL injection testing. For more automated scanning, you might try Wikto ( http://www.sensepost.com/research/wikto/), although I don't know much about it... Joe wrote: Hey all, Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to follow and not require too much to be installed on the server. I suggest that you test the way they will. The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts). Keyloggers, puppet or cfengine might assist to trap them in real time, or annoy them by restoring all the files changed on a server every few minutes? Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*. UG! Did you IPTABLE/ACL their source subnets? Generally doing that you see the same traffic from another source IP, as they usually attack from many sites, but watching logs for a string that matches the original signature (like SNORT inline would) and automagically iptable denying them, might help for the immediate, while you get it together to run a full scan and get the developers and dba's to evaluate the results. That bash shell script is easy to build integrated with iptables. I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it. Anything else anyone would recommend? Go through the full list of exploits and check your installations against the known holes by version. Then start with the code. Many PCI compliant applications must purchase a layer 7 application switch because code rewrites are too invasive. I would start with the comprehesive examples from OWASP. -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
