Re: OT: How to add a column of numbers in oo writer?

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Farris
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 00:03 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
 How can I add up a column of numbers in oo writer?

are they in a table? If so, you can enter formulas into the table as
though you are in calc, and they will be processed. just go to an empty
cell, hit =, then start typing a formula. you can even click/drag to
select table regions.

If they're not in a table for whatever reason, you can put them in a
table by highlighting them, and hitting ctrl+F12, or going to Insert 
Table. 

I don't know how else you could do this... I tried inserting a formula
with Insert  Fields  Other and going to formula, but I couldn't
reference any numbers that way.

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Re: OT: How to add a column of numbers in oo writer?

2009-12-01 Thread Dazed_75
Additionally, if/once they are in a table and there is a blank cell below
the column/right of the row the tool tip that pops up has the summation
symbol in it and you can click on that and assuming the formula that shows
up is correct, just hit enter or tab.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Andrew Farris flyindrag...@aol.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 00:03 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
  How can I add up a column of numbers in oo writer?

 are they in a table? If so, you can enter formulas into the table as
 though you are in calc, and they will be processed. just go to an empty
 cell, hit =, then start typing a formula. you can even click/drag to
 select table regions.

 If they're not in a table for whatever reason, you can put them in a
 table by highlighting them, and hitting ctrl+F12, or going to Insert 
 Table.

 I don't know how else you could do this... I tried inserting a formula
 with Insert  Fields  Other and going to formula, but I couldn't
 reference any numbers that way.

 Hope that helps!

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Re: Determining hard drive state

2009-12-01 Thread Kirk Bauer
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Kirk Bauer k...@kaybee.org wrote:
 For the record, I have both ntfs and ext4 partitions on the drive,
 both mounted at all times under Ubuntu 9.10, and the drive remains in
 a standby state except when I'm actually using the drives.

 Interesting.  If I may ask, I'd like more details for my own education.

 How do you know the drive is in standby?

I know when it is in standby by running hdparm -C /dev/sda (as I
learned on this list).

 How do you know when you are actually using the drive?

For me, the only thing I have on the drive is my Windows partition
(which I virtually never use) and my data stores for VMWare Server.
So even though the drives are mounted, and even though VMWare Server
is running, until I actually access the Windows filesystem or
create/start a virtual machine, the drive isn't being used.

 As you start using it, is there any latency or pause before the access
 starts?  If so, how long does it last?  (Not looking for hard numbers,
 just a felt guess.)

Definitely a 2-second delay when I first access the drive when it is in standby.

 After you use it, how long before they go back to standby?

30 seconds (because of the -S setting below)

 Did you do any special settings or configuration to achieve this behavior?

Default Ubuntu 9.10 settings, except I added this to /etc/hdparm.conf
(not sure what the default would have been though).

command_line {
   hdparm -B 1 -S 6 /dev/sda
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Re: Determining hard drive state

2009-12-01 Thread Alan Dayley
Nice explanation, Kirk.  Thanks.

Alan

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Kirk Bauer k...@kaybee.org wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Kirk Bauer k...@kaybee.org wrote:
 For the record, I have both ntfs and ext4 partitions on the drive,
 both mounted at all times under Ubuntu 9.10, and the drive remains in
 a standby state except when I'm actually using the drives.

 Interesting.  If I may ask, I'd like more details for my own education.

 How do you know the drive is in standby?

 I know when it is in standby by running hdparm -C /dev/sda (as I
 learned on this list).

 How do you know when you are actually using the drive?

 For me, the only thing I have on the drive is my Windows partition
 (which I virtually never use) and my data stores for VMWare Server.
 So even though the drives are mounted, and even though VMWare Server
 is running, until I actually access the Windows filesystem or
 create/start a virtual machine, the drive isn't being used.

 As you start using it, is there any latency or pause before the access
 starts?  If so, how long does it last?  (Not looking for hard numbers,
 just a felt guess.)

 Definitely a 2-second delay when I first access the drive when it is in 
 standby.

 After you use it, how long before they go back to standby?

 30 seconds (because of the -S setting below)

 Did you do any special settings or configuration to achieve this behavior?

 Default Ubuntu 9.10 settings, except I added this to /etc/hdparm.conf
 (not sure what the default would have been though).

 command_line {
       hdparm -B 1 -S 6 /dev/sda
 }
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linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread mike havens
Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7
came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever  they did,
my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps
on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the
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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7
 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever  they did,
 my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps
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My Eee has an Atheros wireless card; works well with Fedora, Mandriva,
Ubuntu.
Try the live-cd versions to figure out which works for you.

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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread Stephen
I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10
as it has a number of new features and very current hardware.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7
 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever  they did,
 my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps
 on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the
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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread mike havens
I don't need current hardware... this computer is circa. 93 (about) . This
is why linux rules to run an up-to date distro you don't need current
hardware. It is not like M$ where xp hardware won't run on vista os; and xp
won't run on earlier hardware; etc. I think M$ in in cahoots with hardware
manufacturers!

On 12/1/09, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10
 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware.


 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7
  came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever  they
 did,
  my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card)
 keeps
  on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the
  box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff?
 
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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread tshipley
Has anyone noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of viable 
desktop/laptop/netbook distros?  (And Chrome to rule them all.)
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-Original Message-
From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:02 
To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: linux distro

I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10
as it has a number of new features and very current hardware.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7
 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever  they did,
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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread mike havens
How do you mean?

On 12/1/09, tship...@deru.com tship...@deru.com wrote:

 Has anyone noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of viable
 desktop/laptop/netbook distros?  (And Chrome to rule them all.)
 Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel


 -Original Message-
 From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:02
 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Subject: Re: linux distro

 I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10
 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware.

 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7
  came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever  they
 did,
  my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card)
 keeps
  on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best out of the
  box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff?
 
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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread GK
My bcm4311 and athk5 work fine in ArchLinux

Funny thing is I was trying out distros to put on my eee900 and
downloaded PuppyLinux 4.3.1. It worked great, but I didn't like the
interface compared to Easy Peasey. Screen real estate is at a premium
for sure on a netbook. The Atheros worked on the eee AND my bcm 4311
worked on the LIVE CD! That was a first for me. Of course Puppy comes
from AU.

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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread Lisa Kachold
For you?

Ubuntu 9.10

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since Windows7
 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded up-whatever  they did,
 my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless card) keeps
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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread Trent Shipley
Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros,
Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial.  There was
a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking
at the desktop as a potential market.  The survivors seem to have headed
for big servers or special cases.  Meanwhile, a lot of activity has
opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's
Android and Chrome.



mike havens wrote:

 How do you mean?

 On 12/1/09, *tship...@deru.com mailto:tship...@deru.com*
 tship...@deru.com mailto:tship...@deru.com wrote:

 Has anyone noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of viable
 desktop/laptop/netbook distros?  (And Chrome to rule them all.)
 Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel


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 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:02
 To: Main PLUG discussion
 listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 mailto:plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Subject: Re: linux distro

 I have liked the Ubuntu for laptops/desktops. Id suggest trying 9.10
 as it has a number of new features and very current hardware.

 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com
 mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since
 Windows7
  came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded
 up-whatever  they did,
  my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros AR5005GS wireless
 card) keeps
  on needing its registry to be cleaned. Which distro works best
 out of the
  box with automatic detection and that kind of stuff?
 
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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Farris
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:48 -0800, mike havens wrote:
 Okay guys. I'm ready to plunge into Linux again. Ever since
 Windows7 came out and certain companiesupdated... upgraded
 up-whatever  they did, my laptop (Toshiba Satellite with an Atheros
 AR5005GS wireless card) keeps on needing its registry to be cleaned.
 Which distro works best out of the box with automatic detection and
 that kind of stuff?

I'd recommend Ubuntu 9.10, or Linux Mint 8 (based on Ubuntu).

I've got Ubuntu on all my computers currently, and it works great. I
haven't used Mint much, but I'm considering switching to it on my laptop
at least.

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Re: linux distro

2009-12-01 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 15:27 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
 Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros,
 Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial.  There was
 a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking
 at the desktop as a potential market.  The survivors seem to have headed
 for big servers or special cases.  Meanwhile, a lot of activity has
 opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's
 Android and Chrome.

I think that Android and Chrome serve different purposes than the main
stream Linux distributions - they are intended for lighterweight
hardware, smaller cpu, smaller screens etc. and thus far, telephone and
similar devices and netbooks have been their target.

There clearly is a need for both lightweight desktops and full featured
desktops.

Any distribution looking to sell a Desktop OS is going to have to ramp
put the technical support for it because people will have questions and
expect answers. 

I gather that some of the early release images of Chrome have been
dominating the torrents lately.

I would like to point out that I just got a Moto Droid the other day and
it is an extremely complicated device and I'm still discovering things
about it. 

I thought at first it was curious that before the dude at the VZ store
would hand me the telphone, he downloaded and installed 'Advanced Task
Killer (Free)' and wanted to show me how to use it. I didn't need the
demo, I understood what it was for but apparently at some level, VZ made
a decision to teach people how to use these things because they are also
holding classes on Android (one of my friends bought one and was very
grateful for the class he went to).

But I will point out things I didn't realize until after I got the
Droid...
- Evolution calendars sync rather well with Gmail calendars 
- Evolution contacts can mount Gmail contacts and contacts can be moved
or copied back and forth (beware that certain punctuation like $/\ can
cause problems) Not all fields work...but enough work
- Evolution task lists however - fahgettabouddit

It occurred to me that in this case, I was lucky because Linux desktop
essentially already integrated support for Gmail while on Apple or
Microsoft (especially Outlook), there are extra hoops. I also found when
doing my google search thing for this, that the KDE PIM stuff can sync
with Google but I don't use the KDE PIM stuff very much.

Craig


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Droid/Android

2009-12-01 Thread Trent Shipley
Craig White wrote:

 On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 15:27 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
   
 Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros,
 Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial.  There was
 a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking
 at the desktop as a potential market.  The survivors seem to have headed
 for big servers or special cases.  Meanwhile, a lot of activity has
 opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's
 Android and Chrome.
 
 
 I think that Android and Chrome serve different purposes than the main
 stream Linux distributions - they are intended for lighterweight
 hardware, smaller cpu, smaller screens etc. and thus far, telephone and
 similar devices and netbooks have been their target.

 There clearly is a need for both lightweight desktops and full featured
 desktops.

 Any distribution looking to sell a Desktop OS is going to have to ramp
 put the technical support for it because people will have questions and
 expect answers. 

 I gather that some of the early release images of Chrome have been
 dominating the torrents lately.

 I would like to point out that I just got a Moto Droid the other day and
 it is an extremely complicated device and I'm still discovering things
 about it. 

 I thought at first it was curious that before the dude at the VZ store
 would hand me the telphone, he downloaded and installed 'Advanced Task
 Killer (Free)' and wanted to show me how to use it. I didn't need the
 demo, I understood what it was for but apparently at some level, VZ made
 a decision to teach people how to use these things because they are also
 holding classes on Android (one of my friends bought one and was very
 grateful for the class he went to).

 But I will point out things I didn't realize until after I got the
 Droid...
 - Evolution calendars sync rather well with Gmail calendars 
 - Evolution contacts can mount Gmail contacts and contacts can be moved
 or copied back and forth (beware that certain punctuation like $/\ can
 cause problems) Not all fields work...but enough work
 - Evolution task lists however - fahgettabouddit

 It occurred to me that in this case, I was lucky because Linux desktop
 essentially already integrated support for Gmail while on Apple or
 Microsoft (especially Outlook), there are extra hoops. I also found when
 doing my google search thing for this, that the KDE PIM stuff can sync
 with Google but I don't use the KDE PIM stuff very much.

 Craig

   
I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK.  It sounds like your (Craig's)
experience jives with the reviews,  Droid is a phone geeks will love. 
That means it's a niche product.  OS X is the best consumer OS I've
worked in.  I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user
experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users
I've known hate.

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Re: Droid/Android

2009-12-01 Thread Joshua Zeidner
   anyone try this?  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android

 -jmz

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote:
 Craig White wrote:

 On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 15:27 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:

 Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros,
 Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial.  There was
 a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking
 at the desktop as a potential market.  The survivors seem to have headed
 for big servers or special cases.  Meanwhile, a lot of activity has
 opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's
 Android and Chrome.

 
 I think that Android and Chrome serve different purposes than the main
 stream Linux distributions - they are intended for lighterweight
 hardware, smaller cpu, smaller screens etc. and thus far, telephone and
 similar devices and netbooks have been their target.

 There clearly is a need for both lightweight desktops and full featured
 desktops.

 Any distribution looking to sell a Desktop OS is going to have to ramp
 put the technical support for it because people will have questions and
 expect answers.

 I gather that some of the early release images of Chrome have been
 dominating the torrents lately.

 I would like to point out that I just got a Moto Droid the other day and
 it is an extremely complicated device and I'm still discovering things
 about it.

 I thought at first it was curious that before the dude at the VZ store
 would hand me the telphone, he downloaded and installed 'Advanced Task
 Killer (Free)' and wanted to show me how to use it. I didn't need the
 demo, I understood what it was for but apparently at some level, VZ made
 a decision to teach people how to use these things because they are also
 holding classes on Android (one of my friends bought one and was very
 grateful for the class he went to).

 But I will point out things I didn't realize until after I got the
 Droid...
 - Evolution calendars sync rather well with Gmail calendars
 - Evolution contacts can mount Gmail contacts and contacts can be moved
 or copied back and forth (beware that certain punctuation like $/\ can
 cause problems) Not all fields work...but enough work
 - Evolution task lists however - fahgettabouddit

 It occurred to me that in this case, I was lucky because Linux desktop
 essentially already integrated support for Gmail while on Apple or
 Microsoft (especially Outlook), there are extra hoops. I also found when
 doing my google search thing for this, that the KDE PIM stuff can sync
 with Google but I don't use the KDE PIM stuff very much.

 Craig


 I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK.  It sounds like your (Craig's)
 experience jives with the reviews,  Droid is a phone geeks will love.
 That means it's a niche product.  OS X is the best consumer OS I've
 worked in.  I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user
 experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users
 I've known hate.

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Re: Droid/Android

2009-12-01 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 17:45 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
 I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK.  It sounds like your
 (Craig's)
 experience jives with the reviews,  Droid is a phone geeks will
 love. 
 That means it's a niche product.  OS X is the best consumer OS I've
 worked in.  I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user
 experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users
 I've known hate. 

well, I was sort of focused on the Linux desktop and the various
alternatives and mentioned the integration but...

My friend Scott is clearly not a geek and he loves his Motorola Droid. 

As far as I can tell, Most iPhone users also struggle with getting
beyond basic usage/features and either need classes at the Apple store
or a geek friend to show them things so I am not so convinced that there
is that much difference.

In the final analysis though, Apple is locked and Droid is not locked.
Same choices for a desktop computer as a mobile telephone.

Craig


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Mysql Injection Scanner

2009-12-01 Thread Joe
Hey all,

Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL 
injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or 
client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the 
injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to 
be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to 
follow and not require too much to be installed on the server.

The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my 
company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in 
some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious 
scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our 
passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts).

Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to 
look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) 
poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among 
other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the 
passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*.

I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but 
I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and 
attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus 
(http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it 
didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it 
was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy 
(http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty 
comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the 
little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it.

Anything else anyone would recommend?

-Joe
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Re: Mysql Injection Scanner

2009-12-01 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Joe li...@joefleming.net wrote:

 Hey all,

 Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL
 injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or
 client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the
 injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to
 be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to
 follow and not require too much to be installed on the server.

 The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my
 company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in
 some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious
 scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our
 passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts).

 Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to
 look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many)
 poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among
 other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the
 passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*.

 I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but
 I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and
 attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus
 (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it
 didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it
 was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy
 (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty
 comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the
 little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it.

 Anything else anyone would recommend?

 -Joe
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It isn't an injection scanner but I recommend you install mod_security on
your web server to help prevent these kinds of attacks.  Also do not allow
external access to mysql.


A quick scan of source forge brought back this:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/paros/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlmap/

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Re: Mysql Injection Scanner

2009-12-01 Thread Trent Shipley
The classic recommendation to protect yourself from SQL injection is to
use parameterized queries religiously.  A potential SQL injection point
is anywhere you concatenate SQL including user contributed text instead
of putting the user text into a SQL parameter.


A side effect of parameterized queries is that the SQL parser in the
RDBMS can often/usually pre-parse and optimize the parameterized queries
so they run faster.


But you probably already knew that.


That said, a magic static code analyzer that would effortlessly find all
potential SQL injection points for you would be nice.  It will also be
dependent on the procedural language you are using.  Are you using PHP#?



Joe wrote:

 Hey all,

 Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL 
 injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or 
 client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the 
 injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to 
 be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to 
 follow and not require too much to be installed on the server.

 The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my 
 company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in 
 some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious 
 scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our 
 passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts).

 Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to 
 look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) 
 poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among 
 other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the 
 passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*.

 I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but 
 I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and 
 attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus 
 (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it 
 didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it 
 was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy 
 (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty 
 comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the 
 little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it.

 Anything else anyone would recommend?

 -Joe
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Re: Droid/Android

2009-12-01 Thread Alan Dayley
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote:
 I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK.  It sounds like your (Craig's)
 experience jives with the reviews,  Droid is a phone geeks will love.
 That means it's a niche product.  OS X is the best consumer OS I've
 worked in.  I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user
 experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users
 I've known hate.

My wife and I picked up the MyTouch phones from T-Mobile a couple of
months ago.  She is technically savvy, loves her 2-year-old iPod
Touch, decidedly not a geek and has declared that she loves her
Android-based phone.

One of my co-workers and his wife have the G1.  His wife is even less
geek than my wife and she loves her G1.

My impression is that Android is not as polished and slick as iPhone,
but is very close and is quite usable for a non-geek.

BTW, this morning we could not connect through the work firewall to
get to a vendor FTP site.  I downloaded a no-cost FTP client from
Android Market, FTPed the needed file to my phone, connected the phone
to his computer as a USB mass storage device and got the job done in
about 5 minutes.  That was so geek-fun!

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Re: Mysql Injection Scanner

2009-12-01 Thread Joseph Sinclair
It's not going to find everything, and it's definitely not a fully-automated 
tool, but I find the SQLInjectMe plugin for Firefox to be a very useful tool 
for SQL injection testing.

For more automated scanning, you might try Wikto 
(http://www.sensepost.com/research/wikto/), although I don't know much about 
it...

Joe wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL 
 injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or 
 client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the 
 injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to 
 be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to 
 follow and not require too much to be installed on the server.
 
 The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my 
 company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in 
 some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious 
 scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our 
 passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts).
 
 Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to 
 look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many) 
 poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among 
 other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the 
 passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*.
 
 I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but 
 I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and 
 attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus 
 (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it 
 didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it 
 was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy 
 (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty 
 comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the 
 little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use it.
 
 Anything else anyone would recommend?
 
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Re: Mysql Injection Scanner

2009-12-01 Thread Lisa Kachold
Joseph Sinclair gives us the experiential slant, as usual!
*
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I like the full set of Backend tools from OWASP:
http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Backend_Security_Project_Tools  i.e.
SQL Dumper

I really like the OWASP site for their comprehensive study of this subject:

http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Reviewing_Code_for_SQL_Injection#How_to_Locate_Potentially_Vulnerable_Code

and:

http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Testing_for_SQL_Injection_(OWASP-DV-005)

which covers the various types and includes examples and code.  Much of this
came out of Google Summer of code 2005, I believe.

And Webgoat project from OWASP is really powerful if you are using J2EE
application servers:
http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebGoat_Project

If you like command line and simplicity try:
SQLscan.py is a great tool  as in simple union join injection testing:

*python SQLscan.py -g inurl:’.gov’ 200 -s
‘/index.php?offset=-1/**/UNION/**/SELECT/**/1,2,concat(password)/**/FROM/**/TABLE/*’
-write sql_found.txt -v*

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Joseph Sinclair
plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote:

 It's not going to find everything, and it's definitely not a
 fully-automated tool, but I find the SQLInjectMe plugin for Firefox to be a
 very useful tool for SQL injection testing.

 For more automated scanning, you might try Wikto (
 http://www.sensepost.com/research/wikto/), although I don't know much
 about it...

 Joe wrote:
  Hey all,
 
  Can anyone (Lisa, I'm looking in your direction) recommend a decent SQL
  injection scanner? I don't really care if it's server-side or
  client-side since it's my server, and I don't need to *exploit* the
  injection points, I just need an easy way to find them. I'd like it to
  be easy to figure out, generate output or reports that are easy to
  follow and not require too much to be installed on the server.

 I suggest that you test the way they will.


  The reason I'm looking for something is that the server on which my
  company hosts its websites has been compromised and I've been putting in
  some considerable hours trying to fix things. I've removed malicious
  scripts, fixed or removed the exploited code and changed all of our
  passwords (from ssh to mysql to user accounts).


Keyloggers, puppet or cfengine might assist to trap them in real time, or
annoy them by restoring all the files changed on a server every few
minutes?



 Today, I happened to catch a SQL injection scan and now I'm trying to
  look down that path some more. Basically, they used one of our (many)
  poorly escaped queries to poll password data for our site login (among
  other things). Luckily, I shut the scan down before they got the
  passwords so I didn't have to have users reset them *again*.

 UG!  Did you IPTABLE/ACL their source subnets?

Generally doing that you see the same traffic from another source IP, as
they usually attack from many sites, but watching logs for a string that
matches the original signature (like SNORT inline would) and automagically
iptable denying them, might help for the immediate, while you get it
together to run a full scan and get the developers and dba's to evaluate the
results.  That bash shell script is easy to build integrated with iptables.


  I've cleaned up a bunch of the sql code over the past could days, but
  I'm wondering if there's a way for me to scan for injections myself and
  attack code that is more vulnerable than others. I found sqlsus
  (http://sqlsus.sourceforge.net/), which looked pretty impressive, but it
  didn't run properly and it wasn't really a scanning tool so much as it
  was an exploiting tool. I also found Pixy
  (http://pixybox.seclab.tuwien.ac.at/pixy/), which looked pretty
  comprehensive, but the output looked a little intimidating. Plus, the
  little I read of the docs wasn't really clear about how to actually use
 it.
 
  Anything else anyone would recommend?

 Go through the full list of exploits and check your installations against
the known holes by version. Then start with the code.  Many PCI compliant
applications must purchase a layer 7 application switch because code
rewrites are too invasive.

I would start with the comprehesive examples from OWASP.

 -Joe
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