Python help (finding duplicates)

2010-08-28 Thread Kevin Faulkner
I was trying to pull duplicates out of 2 different files. Needless to say there 
are duplicates I would place a # next to the duplicate. Example files:
file 1: file 2:
433.3   947.3
543.1   749.0
741.1   859.2
238.5   433.3
839.2   229.1
583.6   990.1
863.4   741.1
859.2   101.8

import string
i=1
primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload')
for line in primaryfile:
   pcompare = line
   print(pcompare)
   for row in secondaryfile:
 i = i + 1
 print(i)
 scompare = row
 if pcompare == scompare:
   print(scompare)
   secondaryfile.write('#')
With this code it should go through the files and find a duplicate and place a 
'#' next to it. But for some reasonson it doesn't even get to the second for 
statement. I don't know what else to do. Please offer some assistance. :)
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Re: Python help (finding duplicates)

2010-08-28 Thread Joseph Sinclair
I hope these are small files, the algorithm you wrote is not going to run well 
as file size gets large (over 10,000 entries)
Have you checked the space/tab situation?  Python uses indentation changes to 
indicate the end of a block, so inconsistent use of tabs and spaces freaks it 
out.
Here are a couple questions:
Are these always numbers?
Do the files have to remain in their original order, or can you reorder them 
during processing?
How often does this have to run?
Do you have to comment the duplicate, or can you remove it?
Are there any other requirements not obvious from the description below?

Kevin Faulkner wrote:
 I was trying to pull duplicates out of 2 different files. Needless to say 
 there 
 are duplicates I would place a # next to the duplicate. Example files:
 file 1:   file 2:
 433.3 947.3
 543.1 749.0
 741.1 859.2
 238.5 433.3
 839.2 229.1
 583.6 990.1
 863.4 741.1
 859.2 101.8
 
 import string
 i=1
 primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
 secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload')
 for line in primaryfile:
pcompare = line
print(pcompare)
for row in secondaryfile:
  i = i + 1
  print(i)
  scompare = row
  if pcompare == scompare:
print(scompare)
secondaryfile.write('#')
 With this code it should go through the files and find a duplicate and place 
 a 
 '#' next to it. But for some reasonson it doesn't even get to the second for 
 statement. I don't know what else to do. Please offer some assistance. :)
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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread Steve Holmes
I thought I had it bad having to pay $750 per month but it is an HMO
so we don't have those God-awful high deductibles.  I retired from
state service this year, after getting laid off this spring.  

Sorry for the politics, but I think we need a good strong single payer
system like they have in Germany; I always heard that their system was
quite excellent.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:21:32AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
 
 She helps me in the business. Yikes!!
 
 
 
 Keith Smith
 
 --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote:
 
 From: Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage
 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 10:00 AM
 
 Is there any possibility your wife could take a job somewhere with 
 insurance?  Both times I've been self employed that's what we did.  Full 
 family coverage for ~ $400/month with a very low deductible.
 
 Some part time gigs even offer (more expensive) insurance.  Still less 
 than self-employed rates.
 
 On 08/17/2010 10:52 AM, keith smith wrote:
 
 
  Hi,
 
  I am self employed and have gone without health insurance for a while. I
  have been very healthy, with the exception of bouts of high blood
  pressure and high cholesterol. I was told both could be treated with
  diet and exercise. Both in place.
 
  Here is my dilemma. I am older so I am more high risk. The best
  insurance I can find cost close to $500/month for my wife and I and it
  has a $3000 deductible for each of us. Basically we will be paying
  $6000/year for catastrophic insurance and will pay $3000 for each of us
  until the insurance kicks in. If we just have some preventative care, we
  could end up spending upwards of $8000 a year without accessing the
  Insurance.
 
  Any suggestions from others who are self employed?
 
  Thanks!
 
  
  Keith Smith
 
 
 
 
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Re: Firefox problem

2010-08-28 Thread Steve Holmes
I'm not sure what distros have to do with Firefox working or not but I
use ArchLinux here and I use Firefox all the time.  I mainly use
downloaded binaries from trunk instead of the Arch binary because I
want latest version so I can try and keep up with accessibility bug
fixes.  In the case of trunk binaries, I just download the tarball and
extract into a firefox directory in my $HOME directory and run it from
there.  I'm not aware of any problems doing it that way.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 05:21:48PM -0800, Clayton Stapleton wrote:
Thanks, I pinged yahoo.com and it works fine. Opera is not on my distro
but Arora is and it works fine and so did Firefox. The only problem with
Arora is the yahoo only recognizes Firefox so that does away with Arora.
Tried
Suse 11.3 as a live cd and Firefox works fine. Ubuntu's Firefox does not
recognize either yahoo.com or the URL. So now I am looking for a new
distro that Works with Firefox.
 
Clay
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Re: Firefox problem

2010-08-28 Thread Dazed_75
Neither has anything to do with the problem.  Something in his environment
specific to Firefox like an add-on or a firewall setting is blocking it.  I
use that combination on at least 2 machines and have no problem at all.  He
says he didn't have a problem with a SUSE LiveCD but he would also have no
problem with an Ubuntu LiveCD.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Steve Holmes st...@holmesgrown.com wrote:

 I'm not sure what distros have to do with Firefox working or not but I
 use ArchLinux here and I use Firefox all the time.  I mainly use
 downloaded binaries from trunk instead of the Arch binary because I
 want latest version so I can try and keep up with accessibility bug
 fixes.  In the case of trunk binaries, I just download the tarball and
 extract into a firefox directory in my $HOME directory and run it from
 there.  I'm not aware of any problems doing it that way.

 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 05:21:48PM -0800, Clayton Stapleton wrote:
 Thanks, I pinged yahoo.com and it works fine. Opera is not on my
 distro
 but Arora is and it works fine and so did Firefox. The only problem
 with
 Arora is the yahoo only recognizes Firefox so that does away with
 Arora.
 Tried
 Suse 11.3 as a live cd and Firefox works fine. Ubuntu's Firefox does
 not
 recognize either yahoo.com or the URL. So now I am looking for a new
 distro that Works with Firefox.
 
 Clay
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Re: Python help (finding duplicates)

2010-08-28 Thread Kevin Faulkner
Sorry about the time issue.
On Friday 27 August 2010 23:50:00 you wrote:
 I hope these are small files, the algorithm you wrote is not going to run
 well as file size gets large (over 10,000 entries) Have you checked the
 space/tab situation?  Python uses indentation changes to indicate the end
 of a block, so inconsistent use of tabs and spaces freaks it out. Here are
 a couple questions:
This is not a school project, so you won't be doing my homework or anything :)
The space/tab issue is okay, but the script does not even get to the print(i), 
I even tried for line in secondaryfile: and the for loop still wouldn't be 
executed.
 Are these always numbers?
Yes, they are IP's from an Apache error log. 
 Do the files have to remain in their original order, or can you reorder
 them during processing? How often does this have to run?
they are not in order because one list is 852 entries and another list is 3300 
entries. This script only needs to run once.
 Do you have to comment the duplicate, or can you remove it?
The plan is to remove it, but I wanted to see if my removal method would work, 
so I was trying to put a comment next to it.
 Are there any other requirements not obvious from the description below?
No real requirements, if anyone would like the original files I can give them 
to you, a lot of them are bots.
Thank you :)
-Kevin
 
 Kevin Faulkner wrote:
  I was trying to pull duplicates out of 2 different files. Needless to say
  there are duplicates I would place a # next to the duplicate. Example
  files: file 1:  file 2:
  433.3   947.3
  543.1   749.0
  741.1   859.2
  238.5   433.3
  839.2   229.1
  583.6   990.1
  863.4   741.1
  859.2   101.8
  
  import string
  i=1
  primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
  secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload')
  
  for line in primaryfile:
 pcompare = line
 print(pcompare)
 
 for row in secondaryfile:
   i = i + 1
   print(i)
   scompare = row
   
   if pcompare == scompare:
 print(scompare)
 secondaryfile.write('#')
  
  With this code it should go through the files and find a duplicate and
  place a '#' next to it. But for some reasonson it doesn't even get to
  the second for statement. I don't know what else to do. Please offer
  some assistance. :) ---
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Re: Python help (finding duplicates)

2010-08-28 Thread Joseph Sinclair
OK,
  I've attached a complete program that works, if you want to just get it done, 
but I've also described what went wrong in your first attempt below.

# the i value was just for debugging, so I dropped it
primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
# read the primary file into a list for speed and so you aren't reading more 
than once
primary_lines = primaryfile.readlines()
# you didn't specify a mode for this, so it defaulted to read-only.  Be 
explicit for clarity
secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload', 'r')
# Open a separate file for output, otherwise you would have been writing and 
reading the same file over and over again, which usually causes errors
outputfile = open('/tmp/result-file', 'w')
# read the second file into a list, then you can scan through it over and over 
without hammering disk and re-reading a file you might have modified.
secondary_lines = secondaryfile.readlines()
# print is a statement, not a function.
print 'opened files'
# loop through the list, not the file
for line in primary_lines:
   pcompare = line
   # print is a statement, use the formatting operator to print variable values
   print 'primary line = %s' % (pcompare)
   # loop through the list, not the file
   for row in secondary_lines:
 scompare = row
 if pcompare == scompare:
   # print as a statement, not a function
   print 'secondary line = %s' % (scompare)
   # you were writing random # characters in a file (most likely after the 
line read), this writes a comment to a new file, which is usually clearer.
   # invert the test, and add the line to a set here then write out the set 
at the end to get an output of lines without duplication.
   outputfile.write('#%s' % (scompare))
print 'Done'

Kevin Faulkner wrote:
 Sorry about the time issue.
 On Friday 27 August 2010 23:50:00 you wrote:
 I hope these are small files, the algorithm you wrote is not going to run
 well as file size gets large (over 10,000 entries) Have you checked the
 space/tab situation?  Python uses indentation changes to indicate the end
 of a block, so inconsistent use of tabs and spaces freaks it out. Here are
 a couple questions:
 This is not a school project, so you won't be doing my homework or anything :)
 The space/tab issue is okay, but the script does not even get to the 
 print(i), 
 I even tried for line in secondaryfile: and the for loop still wouldn't be 
 executed.
 Are these always numbers?
 Yes, they are IP's from an Apache error log. 
 Do the files have to remain in their original order, or can you reorder
 them during processing? How often does this have to run?
 they are not in order because one list is 852 entries and another list is 
 3300 
 entries. This script only needs to run once.
 Do you have to comment the duplicate, or can you remove it?
 The plan is to remove it, but I wanted to see if my removal method would 
 work, 
 so I was trying to put a comment next to it.
 Are there any other requirements not obvious from the description below?
 No real requirements, if anyone would like the original files I can give them 
 to you, a lot of them are bots.
 Thank you :)
 -Kevin
 Kevin Faulkner wrote:
 I was trying to pull duplicates out of 2 different files. Needless to say
 there are duplicates I would place a # next to the duplicate. Example
 files: file 1:  file 2:
 433.3   947.3
 543.1   749.0
 741.1   859.2
 238.5   433.3
 839.2   229.1
 583.6   990.1
 863.4   741.1
 859.2   101.8

 import string
 i=1
 primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
 secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload')

 for line in primaryfile:
pcompare = line
print(pcompare)

for row in secondaryfile:
  i = i + 1
  print(i)
  scompare = row
  
  if pcompare == scompare:
print(scompare)
secondaryfile.write('#')

 With this code it should go through the files and find a duplicate and
 place a '#' next to it. But for some reasonson it doesn't even get to
 the second for statement. I don't know what else to do. Please offer
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def sort_and_compare_files(extract, unload, clean_extract, clean_unload, clean_combined):
  try:
input_extract = open(extract, 'r')
input_unload = open(unload, 'r')
output_extract = open(clean_extract, 'w')
output_unload = open(clean_unload, 'w')
output_combined = open(clean_combined, 'w')
extract_set = set(input_extract)
unload_set = set(input_unload)
extract_unique = extract_set.difference(unload_set)

Re: Python help (finding duplicates)

2010-08-28 Thread Dazed_75
if you are just looking for a list of unique values, why not just do:

cat file1 file2 | sort | uniq  file3

Obviously you could have reasons why this won't suffice for your need, but
I've not seen that in your description yet

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kevin Faulkner 
kondo...@encryptedforest.net wrote:

 Sorry about the time issue.
 On Friday 27 August 2010 23:50:00 you wrote:
  I hope these are small files, the algorithm you wrote is not going to run
  well as file size gets large (over 10,000 entries) Have you checked the
  space/tab situation?  Python uses indentation changes to indicate the end
  of a block, so inconsistent use of tabs and spaces freaks it out. Here
 are
  a couple questions:
 This is not a school project, so you won't be doing my homework or anything
 :)
 The space/tab issue is okay, but the script does not even get to the
 print(i),
 I even tried for line in secondaryfile: and the for loop still wouldn't be
 executed.
  Are these always numbers?
 Yes, they are IP's from an Apache error log.
  Do the files have to remain in their original order, or can you reorder
  them during processing? How often does this have to run?
 they are not in order because one list is 852 entries and another list is
 3300
 entries. This script only needs to run once.
  Do you have to comment the duplicate, or can you remove it?
 The plan is to remove it, but I wanted to see if my removal method would
 work,
 so I was trying to put a comment next to it.
  Are there any other requirements not obvious from the description below?
 No real requirements, if anyone would like the original files I can give
 them
 to you, a lot of them are bots.
 Thank you :)
 -Kevin
 
  Kevin Faulkner wrote:
   I was trying to pull duplicates out of 2 different files. Needless to
 say
   there are duplicates I would place a # next to the duplicate. Example
   files: file 1:  file 2:
   433.3   947.3
   543.1   749.0
   741.1   859.2
   238.5   433.3
   839.2   229.1
   583.6   990.1
   863.4   741.1
   859.2   101.8
  
   import string
   i=1
   primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
   secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload')
  
   for line in primaryfile:
  pcompare = line
  print(pcompare)
  
  for row in secondaryfile:
i = i + 1
print(i)
scompare = row
  
if pcompare == scompare:
  print(scompare)
  secondaryfile.write('#')
  
   With this code it should go through the files and find a duplicate and
   place a '#' next to it. But for some reasonson it doesn't even get to
   the second for statement. I don't know what else to do. Please offer
   some assistance. :) ---
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Re: Small Quiet PC recommendations

2010-08-28 Thread gm5729

 10. Re: Small  Quiet PC recommendations (Tuna)


I'm actually partial to Asus Netbooks. I have had a 700, 900 and 1000
series. I still have to two later ones. The reason for the whole netbook
is that it has it's own UPS, you don't have to drag out a monitor if
something goes tits up, and it's designed to run off of USB pretty much
completely from boot to finish.

They are quiet, and pretty unobtrusive. The only thing you need to make sure
about is that you place any netbook on a hard surface without any clothe, so
it can breathe and won't overheat. It's pretty much par for the course with
any laptop anyway.

I looked through some of the posts about FreeNAS. Personally I would never
touch the OS again if someone paid me. I had 3x where for whatever reason
after having it for the most part configured and doing some final stuff in
the Web interface that the whole OS locked up. This was only the beginning
of troubles. When I finally could regain control of the machine the OS, or
the filesystem itself and/or all my data was destroyed. Needless to say I
wasn't happy. I converted it back over to a Linux box and had no issues.

vp
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Compact Flash cards

2010-08-28 Thread gm5729
So far the cheapest cards from Kingston with Lifetime warranties run about
$75 for 32GB. I am actually planning on getting a couple of these to retire
one hdd that I have had in service for backups the past 3 years or so. Temp
Ranges are generally -25C to 85C and are waterproof. So with the offsite
backups I am using through DataStorageUnit.com and what is in my machine
should be more than sufficient. I have one of the 25N1 multi slot readers so
I can pretty much read any media I want. SD cards seem to be just about as
durable, at least a close 2nd, but about the same price. I wouldn't look at
any USB flash drives because I literally have had 2-3 in the past few months
fall apart in my hands. With my data on it. Another lets not make me a happy
camper issue. As far as compact flash goes I really haven't seen any 64 GB
cards that at present would be in the price of us mortal humans. Right now
that 32 GB would fit what I think is critical to backups and in the next 6
months, most likely after the holidays prices should drop on 64GB
sufficiently. The idea is compactness, durability not necessarily size of
the drive at present.

Does anyone else use anything else that I may not be thinking of at the
moment?

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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:01:41AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
 
 Anytime you get the government involved you have a recipe for disaster. And it
 is unconstitutional.
 
 We have a problem and it needs to be fixed.  I believe in a free market
 solution.

The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market
system forever. How's that been working out? Not so good?

 I believe everyone should pay for their own health insurance. 
 Remove this from the employer.  Then the payer and consumer will be the same. 
 It will not take long for the market to adjust once that happens.

You're advocating the elimination of group coverage with it's lower
premiums. Good luck buying an individual policy with it's exclusions for
pre-existing conditions.  

   ...snip..

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Re: Compact Flash cards

2010-08-28 Thread Joseph Sinclair
CompactFlash cards have the advantage of being an IDE interface, so it only 
takes a very simple (i.e. cheap) adapter to plug one into a motherboard IDE 
connector.

For large capacity, I'd wait a bit with SD, as the SDXC cards and peripherals 
are just showing up, and there's a big improvement in headroom from SDHC to 
SDXC.

If you want something internal, there are actual 2.5 SATA SSD drives in the 
32G range on NewEgg for about $75 as well.


gm5729 wrote:
 So far the cheapest cards from Kingston with Lifetime warranties run about
 $75 for 32GB. I am actually planning on getting a couple of these to retire
 one hdd that I have had in service for backups the past 3 years or so. Temp
 Ranges are generally -25C to 85C and are waterproof. So with the offsite
 backups I am using through DataStorageUnit.com and what is in my machine
 should be more than sufficient. I have one of the 25N1 multi slot readers so
 I can pretty much read any media I want. SD cards seem to be just about as
 durable, at least a close 2nd, but about the same price. I wouldn't look at
 any USB flash drives because I literally have had 2-3 in the past few months
 fall apart in my hands. With my data on it. Another lets not make me a happy
 camper issue. As far as compact flash goes I really haven't seen any 64 GB
 cards that at present would be in the price of us mortal humans. Right now
 that 32 GB would fit what I think is critical to backups and in the next 6
 months, most likely after the holidays prices should drop on 64GB
 sufficiently. The idea is compactness, durability not necessarily size of
 the drive at present.
 
 Does anyone else use anything else that I may not be thinking of at the
 moment?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread keith smith

Your employer might be paying upwards of $800 a month for your insurance.  If 
premiums continue to rise, your employer is either going to make you pay more, 
get junk insurance, or drop it all together.

The problem is your employer pays for the insurance so you are out of the 
loop.  You do not have any say in the decision and you do not feel the pain of 
paying the premium.  

The consumer is not the payer.  It is not a real free market solution, however 
I was responding to the suggestion of a single payer system.  Single payer 
sounds like M$ - monopoly. If each person was to buy health insurance like car 
insurance then people would be more educated and the system would have to 
change.

For the most part you are not covered for any pre-existing conditions on your 
employer sponsored group health.  I worked for an HMO in the mid to late 90's.  
They did all kinds of things to determine if you have a pre-existing condition.

As an example they checked every birth to make sure the mother was covered at 
the time of conception.  If there were any questions they would deny the claim.

Another example is someone in a car accident.  You make a claim against the 
other driver and the HMO wants to be reimbursed because you were paid in a 
settlement.

The system is a mess, and most people are unaware.  Let someone pay $800 a 
month and at the end of the year when they have paid out $9,600 and went to the 
doctor 3 times at a cost of $300.00, they will start to look at the system and 
either drop their coverage or find a better way.

The HMO's would be out and grassroots clinics would spout up all over the 
place. 



Keith Smith

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Subject: Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 12:16 PM

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:01:41AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
 
 Anytime you get the government involved you have a recipe for disaster. And it
 is unconstitutional.
 
 We have a problem and it needs to be fixed.  I believe in a free market
 solution.

The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market
system forever. How's that been working out? Not so good?

 I believe everyone should pay for their own health insurance. 
 Remove this from the employer.  Then the payer and consumer will be the same. 
 It will not take long for the market to adjust once that happens.

You're advocating the elimination of group coverage with it's lower
premiums. Good luck buying an individual policy with it's exclusions for
pre-existing conditions.  

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Re: Compact Flash cards

2010-08-28 Thread gm5729
This will be for actual backup purposes. I have an SSD/GPT already for my OS
in my box. This is so I can carry and go. SDXC is $275 for 64GB, a little
more than I want to spend  at present, but a future contender for sure. I
have no IDE slots on my mobo, its all SATA. Welcome to the world of Micro
ATX.


Which by the by for those that don't know.
   gdisk and gnu Parted are the only partitions you can use on SSD/GPT
drives or you destroy the block/geometry mappings. There are no such thing
as logical/extended partitions on them, everything is primary. YOU MUST
after setting the GPT mapping for the MBR set up a min 1MB empty
partition, no filesystem, flagged as bios_grub or ee, kinda like the 82/83
schema. GRUB 2 is best on these devices and grub.org recommends strongly
using a separate /boot, be prepared with a Super Grub2 Disk just in case.
After that you are set as normal with your favorite distro.

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Re: Compact Flash cards

2010-08-28 Thread Alan Dayley
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:19 PM, gm5729 gm5...@gmail.com wrote:

 Which by the by for those that don't know.
    gdisk and gnu Parted are the only partitions you can use on SSD/GPT
 drives or you destroy the block/geometry mappings. There are no such thing
 as logical/extended partitions on them, everything is primary. YOU MUST
 after setting the GPT mapping for the MBR set up a min 1MB empty
 partition, no filesystem, flagged as bios_grub or ee, kinda like the 82/83
 schema. GRUB 2 is best on these devices and grub.org recommends strongly
 using a separate /boot, be prepared with a Super Grub2 Disk just in case.
 After that you are set as normal with your favorite distro.

What does GPT mean?

The SSD should not care about what partitioning tool is used.  So, at
the moment, I am confused about your statements above.  Maybe I don't
understand something.

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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread Lyle Tuttle

At 12:16 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote:

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:01:41AM -0700, keith smith wrote:

 Anytime you get the government involved you have a recipe for 
disaster. And it

 is unconstitutional.

 We have a problem and it needs to be fixed.  I believe in a free market
 solution.

The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market
system forever.


Sorry - that is not correct...big brother govt has had their hand 
in for quite some time, messing up the works.



How's that been working out? Not so good?

 I believe everyone should pay for their own health insurance.
 Remove this from the employer.  Then the payer and consumer will 
be the same.

 It will not take long for the market to adjust once that happens.

You're advocating the elimination of group coverage with it's lower
premiums. Good luck buying an individual policy with it's exclusions for
pre-existing conditions.


If 100% of the people bought, we would have much lower pricingand 
if tort reform came about, even more.100% would buy if we quit 
giving it to them free.





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Re: Compact Flash cards

2010-08-28 Thread gm5729
 GPT disk

A GPT disk uses the GUID partition table (GPT) disk partitioning system. A
GPT disk offers these benefits:
•

Allows up to 128 primary partitions. (MBR disks can support up to four
primary partitions and an infinite number of partitions inside an extended
partition.)
•

Allows a much larger volume size - greater than 2 TB, which is the limit for
MBR disks.
•

Provides greater reliability due to replication and cyclical redundancy
check (CRC) protection of the partition table.
•

Can be used as a storage volume on all x64-based platforms.

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Re: Compact Flash cards

2010-08-28 Thread Alan Dayley
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:48 PM, gm5729 gm5...@gmail.com wrote:

 GPT disk

 A GPT disk uses the GUID partition table (GPT) disk partitioning system. A
 GPT disk offers these benefits:
 •

 Allows up to 128 primary partitions. (MBR disks can support up to four
 primary partitions and an infinite number of partitions inside an extended
 partition.)
 •

 Allows a much larger volume size - greater than 2 TB, which is the limit
 for MBR disks.
 •

 Provides greater reliability due to replication and cyclical redundancy
 check (CRC) protection of the partition table.
 •

 Can be used as a storage volume on all x64-based platforms.

 Very interesting.  Thank you.

You stated:

gdisk and gnu Parted are the only partitions you can use on SSD/GPT drives
or you destroy the block/geometry mappings.

Is the destruction of the geometry mappings a bug in other tools or a side
effect of using GPT or what?  I'm trying to understand how the drive would
allow an outside tool to muck about in it's mapping data.  In general, such
data is simply not available to outside tools.

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Re: Compact Flash cards

2010-08-28 Thread gm5729
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 16:48, gm5729 gm5...@gmail.com wrote:

  GPT disk

 A GPT disk uses the GUID partition table (GPT) disk partitioning system. A
 GPT disk offers these benefits:
 •

 Allows up to 128 primary partitions. (MBR disks can support up to four
 primary partitions and an infinite number of partitions inside an extended
 partition.)
 •

 Allows a much larger volume size - greater than 2 TB, which is the limit
 for MBR disks.
 •

 Provides greater reliability due to replication and cyclical redundancy
 check (CRC) protection of the partition table.
 •

 Can be used as a storage volume on all x64-based platforms.

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Yes I did. cfdisk and fdisk will ruin the mappings on the drive. I have
found with most installers that upon ELF trying to boot there is a GPT error
and the installer won't let you continue. IF you can continue and you use
the above tools in their present state you will probably in the very
strongly realm get instabilities. If you add such things as LVM2, RAID, etc
etc they can increase.

In my case and this has taken me 6 months to figure out along with someone
who is developing a hybrid iso/usb installer. My MBR got overwritten by the
/boot partition by 2 bytes. Doesn't sound like much, until you install a
bootloader and it overwrites the /boot partition by that 2 bytes. Now if
your computer is having a bad day, which in this case it is you might not be
able to boot or you might have no /boot. So I would encourage using the
proper tools so as not get surprises in your xmas stocking.

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Re: Python help (finding duplicates)

2010-08-28 Thread Kevin Faulkner
On Saturday 28 August 2010 11:48:10 Joseph Sinclair wrote:
 OK,
   I've attached a complete program that works, if you want to just get it
 done, but I've also described what went wrong in your first attempt below.
 
I really appreciate what you have done. I more so like the description of what 
I did wrong. Using readlines() is a better approach like you said, less disk 
thrashing. I was using /usr/bin/python3, so print() is now a function. My next 
step is to take the host list and identify where the IP is using pygeoip.
Thank you again. :)
-Kevin
 # the i value was just for debugging, so I dropped it
 primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
 # read the primary file into a list for speed and so you aren't reading
 more than once primary_lines = primaryfile.readlines()
 # you didn't specify a mode for this, so it defaulted to read-only.  Be
 explicit for clarity secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload', 'r')
 # Open a separate file for output, otherwise you would have been writing
 and reading the same file over and over again, which usually causes errors
 outputfile = open('/tmp/result-file', 'w')
 # read the second file into a list, then you can scan through it over and
 over without hammering disk and re-reading a file you might have modified.
 secondary_lines = secondaryfile.readlines()
 # print is a statement, not a function.
 print 'opened files'
 # loop through the list, not the file
 for line in primary_lines:
pcompare = line
# print is a statement, use the formatting operator to print variable
 values print 'primary line = %s' % (pcompare)
# loop through the list, not the file
for row in secondary_lines:
  scompare = row
  if pcompare == scompare:
# print as a statement, not a function
print 'secondary line = %s' % (scompare)
# you were writing random # characters in a file (most likely after
 the line read), this writes a comment to a new file, which is usually
 clearer. # invert the test, and add the line to a set here then write out
 the set at the end to get an output of lines without duplication.
 outputfile.write('#%s' % (scompare))
 print 'Done'
 

 Kevin Faulkner wrote:
  Sorry about the time issue.
  
  On Friday 27 August 2010 23:50:00 you wrote:
  I hope these are small files, the algorithm you wrote is not going to
  run well as file size gets large (over 10,000 entries) Have you checked
  the space/tab situation?  Python uses indentation changes to indicate
  the end of a block, so inconsistent use of tabs and spaces freaks it
  out. Here are
  
  a couple questions:
  This is not a school project, so you won't be doing my homework or
  anything :) The space/tab issue is okay, but the script does not even
  get to the print(i), I even tried for line in secondaryfile: and the for
  loop still wouldn't be executed.
  
  Are these always numbers?
  
  Yes, they are IP's from an Apache error log.
  
  Do the files have to remain in their original order, or can you reorder
  them during processing? How often does this have to run?
  
  they are not in order because one list is 852 entries and another list is
  3300 entries. This script only needs to run once.
  
  Do you have to comment the duplicate, or can you remove it?
  
  The plan is to remove it, but I wanted to see if my removal method would
  work, so I was trying to put a comment next to it.
  
  Are there any other requirements not obvious from the description below?
  
  No real requirements, if anyone would like the original files I can give
  them to you, a lot of them are bots.
  Thank you :)
  -Kevin
  
  Kevin Faulkner wrote:
  I was trying to pull duplicates out of 2 different files. Needless to
  say there are duplicates I would place a # next to the duplicate.
  Example files: file 1:file 2:
  433.3 947.3
  543.1 749.0
  741.1 859.2
  238.5 433.3
  839.2 229.1
  583.6 990.1
  863.4 741.1
  859.2 101.8
  
  import string
  i=1
  primaryfile = open('/tmp/extract','r')
  secondaryfile = open('/tmp/unload')
  
  for line in primaryfile:
 pcompare = line
 print(pcompare)
 
 for row in secondaryfile:
   i = i + 1
   print(i)
   scompare = row
   
   if pcompare == scompare:
 print(scompare)
 secondaryfile.write('#')
  
  With this code it should go through the files and find a duplicate and
  place a '#' next to it. But for some reasonson it doesn't even get to
  the second for statement. I don't know what else to do. Please offer
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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 02:39:06PM -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
 At 12:16 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote:
 

  snip.

  We have a problem and it needs to be fixed.  I believe in a free market
  solution.
 
 The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market
 system forever.
 
 
 Sorry - that is not correct...big brother govt has had their hand in for
 quite some time, messing up the works.

Oh. That's probably the reason rates have *far* outstripped inflation.
Yup, too much regulation. Couldn't be the profit motive.

  .snip.
 
 
 If 100% of the people bought, we would have much lower pricing

That's a feature of the health care package.the feature that causes
conservatives to have a stroke.

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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread keith smith


Based on a recent experience, other life experiences, and much reading I would 
say health insurance premiums are increasing do a great extent based on and the 
cause of extremely expensive rates is based on the uninsured who utilize and do 
not pay.

We have a ton of guests who use the emergency room as their PCP.  You and I 
pay for that in many ways.  Directly and indirectly.  It also affects our 
taxes. 

I know you are going to cry foul.  I think you might change your tune if you 
had to pay $800 a month for insurance you can hardly use.

The quotes I have been receiving are in the $400 plus range and have a $9000 
deductible.  That means I pay $4800 a year plus all medical costs up to $9000.  
My out of pocket would be $13,800 before I would get into a 70% / 30% where I 
would pay up to another $3000 and then the insurance kicks in.  That means I 
would spend $16,800 before the insurance takes over.

This is all true.




Keith Smith

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From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 5:23 PM

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 02:39:06PM -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
 At 12:16 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote:
 

              snip.

      We have a problem and it needs to be fixed.  I believe in a free market
      solution.
 
     The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market
     system forever.
 
 
 Sorry - that is not correct...big brother govt has had their hand in for
 quite some time, messing up the works.

Oh. That's probably the reason rates have *far* outstripped inflation.
Yup, too much regulation. Couldn't be the profit motive.

          .snip.
 
 
 If 100% of the people bought, we would have much lower pricing

That's a feature of the health care package.the feature that causes
conservatives to have a stroke.

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Key ID: 8D549279
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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread Lyle Tuttle

At 05:23 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote:

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 02:39:06PM -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
 At 12:16 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote:


  snip.

  We have a problem and it needs to be fixed.  I believe in a 
free market

  solution.

 The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market
 system forever.


 Sorry - that is not correct...big brother govt has had their 
hand in for

 quite some time, messing up the works.

Oh. That's probably the reason rates have *far* outstripped inflation.
Yup, too much regulation. Couldn't be the profit motive.


Of COURSE profit motive enters the picture..but get govt OUT and 
let the FREE MARKET work!




  .snip.


 If 100% of the people bought, we would have much lower pricing

That's a feature of the health care package.the feature that causes
conservatives to have a stroke.


You just haven't received the bill yet...for example, did you know 
you will soon get to pay a 3.8% tax on the selling price of your 
home, with that tax going to heqlth care?  Now, I ask you, what 
the heck does selling a house have to do with health care?  Nothing, 
they are just hiding the real cost...there ain't no free lunch - they 
may be putting them out on consignment for now, but sooner or later.


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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread Dazed_75
Keith, you are correct though you have no idea why.  I am uninsured.  The
reason why I am no longer in a group is complicated.  The reason I am
uninsured is not complicated at all.

My individual premium had reached over $1600/month with a $1 deductible
and prescription coverage that was worse than just mail ordering
prescriptions from Canada.  At the time I was making 2 doctor visits per
year, with blood work each time, getting 4 prescriptions and had no
additional medical costs for years.

Once I dropped that useless insurance, I tried several group discount plans
which was a waste.  I quit going to doctors and all medication for 7 years.
I just recently started going again because I found a lump under my arm (it
turned out to be an infected hair follicle).  Now I am paying full bore
costs for everything and it scares the hell out of me that something serious
will happen.  The last blood work series listed out at nearly $1000.  I pay
that much because the medical facilities have to overcharge (and set
precedents) of high costs because medicare and insurance companies underpay
for everything.  The free market driven system and government controls
BOTH suck ... largely because there is no free market.  The bottom line
mentality today drives everything and hurts everyone but the rich and
powerful.

Sorry, I had promised I would not get involved in this thread and have
failed badly.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 5:39 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Based on a recent experience, other life experiences, and much reading I
 would say health insurance premiums are increasing do a great extent based
 on and the cause of extremely expensive rates is based on the uninsured who
 utilize and do not pay.

 We have a ton of guests who use the emergency room as their PCP.  You and
 I pay for that in many ways.  Directly and indirectly.  It also affects our
 taxes.

 I know you are going to cry foul.  I think you might change your tune if
 you had to pay $800 a month for insurance you can hardly use.

 The quotes I have been receiving are in the $400 plus range and have a
 $9000 deductible.  That means I pay $4800 a year plus all medical costs up
 to $9000.  My out of pocket would be $13,800 before I would get into a 70% /
 30% where I would pay up to another $3000 and then the insurance kicks in.
 That means I would spend $16,800 before the insurance takes over.

 This is all true.



 
 Keith Smith

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 From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
 Subject: Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage
 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 5:23 PM


 On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 02:39:06PM -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
  At 12:16 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote:
 

   snip.

   We have a problem and it needs to be fixed.  I believe in a free
 market
   solution.
 
  The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market
  system forever.
 
 
  Sorry - that is not correct...big brother govt has had their hand in
 for
  quite some time, messing up the works.

 Oh. That's probably the reason rates have *far* outstripped inflation.
 Yup, too much regulation. Couldn't be the profit motive.

   .snip.

 
  If 100% of the people bought, we would have much lower pricing

 That's a feature of the health care package.the feature that causes
 conservatives to have a stroke.

 --
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 Key ID: 8D549279
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that I wish it always to be kept alive.
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Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage

2010-08-28 Thread Bryan O'Neal
If you are in the self employed for the long hall you may want to join a
small business group policy. Basically the policy managers take a chunk off
the top but present a group of several thousand to the insurance company so
they get a corporate like deal. Typically it works out to be cheaper but the
last time I looked into it they all wanted a 2 year contract.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:52 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Hi,

 I am self employed and have gone without health insurance for a while.  I
 have been very healthy, with the exception of bouts of high blood pressure
 and high cholesterol.  I was told both could be treated with diet and
 exercise.  Both in place.

 Here is my dilemma.  I am older so I am more high risk.  The best insurance
 I can find cost close to $500/month for my wife and I and it has a $3000
 deductible for each of us.  Basically we will be paying $6000/year for
 catastrophic insurance and will pay $3000 for each of us until the insurance
 kicks in.  If we just have some preventative care, we could end up spending
 upwards of $8000 a year without accessing the Insurance.

 Any suggestions from others who are self employed?

 Thanks!

 
 Keith Smith

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