Opinions on Zorin OS
Wondering what the consensus is regarding it. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
Yet another make linux look like windoze distro? I forget the last few that tried to sell linux to do that and withered away eventually. Seems like the only thing it has is playonlinux and wine probably a bit better baked out of box installed to make gaming or winapps accessible, rest is just premium themes to (ack) make it look like win. Better off just installing them on something like ubuntu that is much more generally supported if/when needed. Check gnome-look.org for themes, im sure you can find something (free) to make it look like winxp/7 if you really, really must. -mb On 07/04/2012 11:21 PM, Wayne Davis wrote: Wondering what the consensus is regarding it. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
I like what I saw I will be downloading it. Brian On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Wayne Davis waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.comwrote: Wondering what the consensus is regarding it. --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Brian Fields arizona.r...@gmail.com An amateur practices 'til they get it right, a professional practices 'til they can't get it wrong. - Anon. if it isn't armour, or you can't take it to bed, it isn't worth havin' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
I HAVE installed it on a drive. The pay apps are mostly games and magaziines from what I see so far. Im interested, but not blown away by any means. I'm looking for a distro that works well for people weaned off Winblows. So far, school's out for this one, but i'm giving it a chance for a while for it to grow on me so to speak. On 07/05/2012 12:30 AM, AZ RUNE wrote: I like what I saw I will be downloading it. Brian On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Wayne Davis waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.com mailto:waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering what the consensus is regarding it. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Brian Fields arizona.r...@gmail.com mailto:arizona.r...@gmail.com An amateur practices 'til they get it right, a professional practices 'til they can't get it wrong. - Anon. if it isn't armour, or you can't take it to bed, it isn't worth havin' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
Well same here, and for the pure spirited 'no its another skin of Windows' try watching Jupiter Broadcasting Linux Sucks on Youtube where they are addressing why Linux doesn't work in the desktop, laptop arena. Made me re evaluate a few things and I am die hard linux fan living in a mixed environment at work. Brian On Jul 5, 2012 7:20 AM, Wayne Davis waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.com wrote: I HAVE installed it on a drive. The pay apps are mostly games and magaziines from what I see so far. Im interested, but not blown away by any means. I'm looking for a distro that works well for people weaned off Winblows. So far, school's out for this one, but i'm giving it a chance for a while for it to grow on me so to speak. On 07/05/2012 12:30 AM, AZ RUNE wrote: I like what I saw I will be downloading it. Brian On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Wayne... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
I've been having pretty good results with Linux Mint Maya v13 using the MATE desktop for the last week or so now. I don't run the newest fastest hardware. I was a big Ubuntu fan for the longest time, but I just cannot warm up to the Unity desktop on a desktop PC, although it's OK on my netbook with a small screen. Gnome3 desktop wasn't working out for me either. The last straw was updating Ubuntu to 12.04 and it hosed up two machines. Sure, a fresh install likely would have worked, but I was due for a new desktop. Just my two cents. distrowatch.org is good reference for selecting a distro best for you. -Ken --- On Thu, 7/5/12, Wayne Davis waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a distro that works well for people weaned off Winblows. So far, school's out for this one, but i'm giving it a chance for a while for it to grow on me so to speak. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
My 20-year-old HP laser printer is acting up so I've been scouting craigslist for a replacement. Found a nice option that has everything I want for a good price, but it's not wireless. Since I need to put it in another room, just wondered if it is possible to connect it to my network with some kind of wireless dongle? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
Yes, Simply unplug it... sorry had to... HP and a few others make wireless print servers. Some netgear routers have USB port's on them to allow you to host the printer on your router. James Finstrom On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:26 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: My 20-year-old HP laser printer is acting up so I've been scouting craigslist for a replacement. Found a nice option that has everything I want for a good price, but it's not wireless. Since I need to put it in another room, just wondered if it is possible to connect it to my network with some kind of wireless dongle? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
Yeah, I've got one of those netgear routers - too bad I don't need to run a printer from it J But that doesn't really solve Joe's problem. He needs to hook the printer to his current wireless network. Adding another wireless network probably won't help you, though. I'd say you've got 2 options, or maybe 3: 1 - find an hp (or other) wireless to usb print server (assuming your new printer is usb). 2 - figure a way to run an etherhose from the nearest network location (assuming it's a network printer - or from the nearest network pc if not) to the printer location (its not always as hard as you think to do that J) 3 - get an old PC with wireless, install Linux, set it up as print server. Rusty From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of James Finstrom Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 12:30 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless? Yes, Simply unplug it... sorry had to... HP and a few others make wireless print servers. Some netgear routers have USB port's on them to allow you to host the printer on your router. James Finstrom On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:26 PM, joe@.com wrote: My 20-year-old HP laser printer is acting up so I've been scouting craigslist for a replacement. Found a nice option that has everything I want for a good price, but it's not wireless. Since I need to put it in another room, just wondered if it is possible to connect it to my network with some kind of wireless dongle? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
Oh, yeah, there's a 4th option: get a printer that has wireless already. I have an Epson workforce 610 that works fine with linux and has wireless (but I'm not using the wireless part). Rusty I'd say you've got 2 options, or maybe 3: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
Is your 20 year old printer a laserjet 3? I used to work at GCC in the late 90s and they used a lot of them in the high tech center. Those things were practically indestructible. On 7/5/2012 12:26, j...@actionline.com wrote: My 20-year-old HP laser printer is acting up so I've been scouting craigslist for a replacement. Found a nice option that has everything I want for a good price, but it's not wireless. Since I need to put it in another room, just wondered if it is possible to connect it to my network with some kind of wireless dongle? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss . --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
Is your 20 year old printer a laserjet 3? I used to work at GCC in the late 90s and they used a lot of them in the high tech center. Those things were practically indestructible. It's an HP LaserJet 4 and yes, it has been a reliable workhorse. But it's just a printer, so I'm hoping to find a laser all-in-one. Plenty of cheap all-in-one ink-jets new, but I don't need color printing or the expensive print cartridge replacement cost. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
... options get a printer that has wireless already. I have an Epson workforce 610 that works fine with linux and has wireless Thanks for all the responses. Yes, getting one wireless already would be best. Epson WorkForce 610 Wireless Color Inkjet All-in-One is $488. Too much for me and I'd prefer laser to inkjet. Brother MFC7860DW Wireless B/W Print/Scan/Copy/Fax is $260 on Amazon. Still looking for a lower cost option to do it all ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
They have products that can turn a parallel port into wifi like from edimax. The problem is they don't make them anymore which makes them hard to find and they probably cost 100 dollars or more. http://www.estore.com.au/Edimax_PS-1206PWg_-_1_Parallel_Port_Wireless_Print_Server_EDI1006.aspx?utm_source=myshoppingutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=EDI1006#.T_X2QfXEqM8 From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 1:04 PM Subject: RE: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless? ... options get a printer that has wireless already. I have an Epson workforce 610 that works fine with linux and has wireless Thanks for all the responses. Yes, getting one wireless already would be best. Epson WorkForce 610 Wireless Color Inkjet All-in-One is $488. Too much for me and I'd prefer laser to inkjet. Brother MFC7860DW Wireless B/W Print/Scan/Copy/Fax is $260 on Amazon. Still looking for a lower cost option to do it all ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
I like the Netgear WNCE2001 devices to make a device with a Ethernet port a wireless device. Printer - USB Ethernet Print server - WNCE2001 http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-WNCE2001-Universal-Internet-Adapter/dp/B003KPBRRW The cool thing about the WNCE2001 devices is that once you configure them you can plug them into a switch and then plug other things into the switch to give connectivity to multiple devices. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Carruth, Rusty rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote: Yeah, I’ve got one of those netgear routers – too bad I don’t need to run a printer from it J ** ** But that doesn’t really solve Joe’s problem. He needs to hook the printer to his current wireless network. Adding another wireless network probably won’t help you, though. ** ** I’d say you’ve got 2 options, or maybe 3: ** ** 1 – find an hp (or other) wireless to usb print server (assuming your new printer is usb). 2 – figure a way to run an etherhose from the nearest network location (assuming it’s a network printer – or from the nearest network pc if not) to the printer location (its not always as hard as you think to do that J) 3 – get an old PC with wireless, install Linux, set it up as print server. ** ** Rusty *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *James Finstrom *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2012 12:30 PM *To:* Main PLUG discussion list *Subject:* Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless? ** ** Yes, Simply unplug it... sorry had to... HP and a few others make wireless print servers. Some netgear routers have USB port's on them to allow you to host the printer on your router. James Finstrom On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:26 PM, joe@.com wrote: My 20-year-old HP laser printer is acting up so I've been scouting craigslist for a replacement. Found a nice option that has everything I want for a good price, but it's not wireless. Since I need to put it in another room, just wondered if it is possible to connect it to my network with some kind of wireless dongle? ** ** --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
WHOA! I bought mine a few years back for under $100, AFAIR! Wow! On the inkjet vs laser - I was a died-in-the-wool Laser fan for years (still have a soft spot in my heart for a good old laser printer - and indeed I even have a color laser printer at home that someone threw away some years back. Replacement set of toner thingies is about $120 - but very nice to not have to worry about them drying out!) And up till recently I've spent more on new ink cartridges for inkjets than the crazy printer was worth! Until a friend mentioned that new printers keep track of when they need to print to avoid drying out the print head (as long as you keep them powered up), and that he's had great luck with refillable cartridges. My cost on the refillables is amazingly low. Bought one set of refillable carts a year or 3 ago (to replace the previous set I'd had that died) (cost was under $40 (And ISTR under $20) for all 4), and 2 sets of refill ink (about $10 per set) since then. And my family prints a fair amount... My only complaint is that the stupid Epson printer every once in a while decides that it doesn't like the non-Epson cartridges, and you have to fiddle with the stupid thing to get it to like them again. I'm not completely happy, and if I die my wife will be out of luck (probably switch back to the laser printer)... ... options get a printer that has wireless already. I have an Epson workforce 610 that works fine with linux and has wireless Thanks for all the responses. Yes, getting one wireless already would be best. Epson WorkForce 610 Wireless Color Inkjet All-in-One is $488. Too much for me and I'd prefer laser to inkjet. Brother MFC7860DW Wireless B/W Print/Scan/Copy/Fax is $260 on Amazon. Still looking for a lower cost option to do it all ;) Well, an old junker PC running linux and a wireless card (or an old laptop, for that matter) - if like me you've got 8 of them laying around anyway just gathering dust... Well, that's pretty cheap :-) Rusty --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
I hold in my hand a Linksys wireless-G Print Server that i no longer need WPS54G Will that help? At 12:26 PM 7/5/2012, j...@actionline.com wrote: My 20-year-old HP laser printer is acting up so I've been scouting craigslist for a replacement. Found a nice option that has everything I want for a good price, but it's not wireless. Since I need to put it in another room, just wondered if it is possible to connect it to my network with some kind of wireless dongle? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
I can understand the desire for a laser printer. With one there isn't the need for expensive paper when printing pictures. Great results can be had with ordinary paper. Also I've been told it's cheaper to print a page of text with a laser printer vs an ink jet printer. On 7/5/2012 13:04, j...@actionline.com wrote: ... options get a printer that has wireless already. I have an Epson workforce 610 that works fine with linux and has wireless Thanks for all the responses. Yes, getting one wireless already would be best. Epson WorkForce 610 Wireless Color Inkjet All-in-One is $488. Too much for me and I'd prefer laser to inkjet. Brother MFC7860DW Wireless B/W Print/Scan/Copy/Fax is $260 on Amazon. Still looking for a lower cost option to do it all ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss . --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
I watched the 2012 WLS one, and he's mostly right, but far over-dramatizes it I think. Linux definitely does not suck as a desktop, but if calling it that helps fix bits that do - sure. I use linux exclusively for home and work, which is generally no small feat, relegating windows to vm only. My wife as a non-sysadmin user runs linux natively as well, doing Minecraft, facebook games, gimp for graphics, openoffice, and general every day use. While it gives me grief at times, it also gives me far more potential than any windoze system would without installing linux in vm or cygwin on it. I thought my big desktop system had issues until I used a customer dual-head win7 system for a few days for systems access, and there were far more split desktop rendering issues than I would have expected for modern winos. I suddenly appreciated linux that much more with or without my compiz/ati issues. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:32 AM, AZ RUNE wrote: Well same here, and for the pure spirited 'no its another skin of Windows' try watching Jupiter Broadcasting Linux Sucks on Youtube where they are addressing why Linux doesn't work in the desktop, laptop arena. Made me re evaluate a few things and I am die hard linux fan living in a mixed environment at work. Brian --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
From a new user perspective, mint (or others) may be better out-of-install, but a lack of features like install methods for raid/lvm/crypto functions just tell me its immature or a sub-grade knock-off. I'm not an enterprise, just security aware and conscious of mtbf on drives to want/expect enterprise features (it *is* linux still), and more people should too (especially when mint uses ubuntu as a base already). I'd rather just use ubuntu as the distro without unity on it as a base and get general industry support, especially for video driver blob support as it and fedora/cent are the standard vendors are willing to support. I'd like to see what kind of experience mint users have with dist-upgrades as well. Something tells me if canonical isn't catching the big things that break the os, Mint isn't going to either. As for windoze-y linuxes, this odd distro is still going... Remembered this from years ago that looked waaay too much like windoze if that's what you're looking for: http://www.ylmf.org/en/index.html It *is* based on 10.04 LTS, so at least you get some software support, and hopefully not just odd tcp socket connections back to chinese ip addresses. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:39 AM, Kenn wrote: I've been having pretty good results with Linux Mint Maya v13 using the MATE desktop for the last week or so now. I don't run the newest fastest hardware. I was a big Ubuntu fan for the longest time, but I just cannot warm up to the Unity desktop on a desktop PC, although it's OK on my netbook with a small screen. Gnome3 desktop wasn't working out for me either. The last straw was updating Ubuntu to 12.04 and it hosed up two machines. Sure, a fresh install likely would have worked, but I was due for a new desktop. Just my two cents. distrowatch.org is good reference for selecting a distro best for you. -Ken --- On *Thu, 7/5/12, Wayne Davis /waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.com/* wrote: I'm looking for a distro that works well for people weaned off Winblows. So far, school's out for this one, but i'm giving it a chance for a while for it to grow on me so to speak. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
CAN you get Ubuntu to NOT use that stupid unity interface? (Goodness, people, this is a desktop computer, NOT a phone!) I stopped using anything Ubuntu newer than 10.10 as soon as I saw the disaster that was ALL the window managers that I could find in the time I had to spend looking (not much). When I saw mint at work due to a test I was running for a customer, I switched to it. While I still like the old interface better, at least its usable (don't like cinnamon, obviously. I'm using Mate)... I'd rather just use ubuntu as the distro without unity on it as a base and get general industry support, especially for video driver blob support as it and fedora/cent are the standard vendors are willing to support. Me too, but someone have a pointer to a howto? (since I really don't have time to spend being an administrator and finding all that out, or breaking my system while trying to figure it out, really. That's why I switched to Ubuntu in the first place!) Thanks! Rusty --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
I tried out the new unity interface and found it to be useable, if a bit stupid. You can use pretty much any desktop environment and window manager your heart desires. The old gnome is still available. That's what I'm using right now. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Carruth, Rusty rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote: CAN you get Ubuntu to NOT use that stupid unity interface? (Goodness, people, this is a desktop computer, NOT a phone!) I stopped using anything Ubuntu newer than 10.10 as soon as I saw the disaster that was ALL the window managers that I could find in the time I had to spend looking (not much). When I saw mint at work due to a test I was running for a customer, I switched to it. While I still like the old interface better, at least its usable (don't like cinnamon, obviously. I'm using Mate)... I'd rather just use ubuntu as the distro without unity on it as a base and get general industry support, especially for video driver blob support as it and fedora/cent are the standard vendors are willing to support. Me too, but someone have a pointer to a howto? (since I really don't have time to spend being an administrator and finding all that out, or breaking my system while trying to figure it out, really. That's why I switched to Ubuntu in the first place!) Thanks! Rusty --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
Lyle wrote: I hold in my hand a Linksys wireless-G Print Server that i no longer need... I'll reply privately. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
Yes, either use metacity --replace to kill compiz (and unity), or I also use a cairo-dock plugin called composite manager to flip between them. I use a startup launch for cairo and awn, using them to replace unity, the menu, tasks, and systray items, so I don't even notice unity being gone. Between reducing from 2 framebuffers to 1 with a new video card, and disabling compiz/unity, I'd gotten a few weeks of uptime until yesterday whereas prior I'd get about 3 days of stable use. I need to run through and try different desktops now, though anything but unity pooped itself (sad to say) when presented with very large desktop framebuffers. -mb On 07/05/2012 01:46 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: CAN you get Ubuntu to NOT use that stupid unity interface? (Goodness, people, this is a desktop computer, NOT a phone!) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
You all know me. I'm the self-proclaimed village idiot. I use linux 100% on both of my computers. If the village idiot can do it amyone can. I run Mint12 on my laptop and Ubuntu on the desktop. The only grief I've had with this is when I first installed mint it would panic when I was running it on the battery. Thanks to you guys' recommendation that `lil problem was solved by upgrading the kernel. (I then tried upgrading to an even newer kernel but it started to panic on battery again so I reset it to the kernel I knew worked. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote: I watched the 2012 WLS one, and he's mostly right, but far over-dramatizes it I think. Linux definitely does not suck as a desktop, but if calling it that helps fix bits that do - sure. I use linux exclusively for home and work, which is generally no small feat, relegating windows to vm only. My wife as a non-sysadmin user runs linux natively as well, doing Minecraft, facebook games, gimp for graphics, openoffice, and general every day use. While it gives me grief at times, it also gives me far more potential than any windoze system would without installing linux in vm or cygwin on it. I thought my big desktop system had issues until I used a customer dual-head win7 system for a few days for systems access, and there were far more split desktop rendering issues than I would have expected for modern winos. I suddenly appreciated linux that much more with or without my compiz/ati issues. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:32 AM, AZ RUNE wrote: Well same here, and for the pure spirited 'no its another skin of Windows' try watching Jupiter Broadcasting Linux Sucks on Youtube where they are addressing why Linux doesn't work in the desktop, laptop arena. Made me re evaluate a few things and I am die hard linux fan living in a mixed environment at work. Brian --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
Mike, you make choose to be 'village idiot', it's your right. But your persistance handsomely makes up for whatever you think you lack. If I had half of your persistance, I would actully accomplish things. Hang in there pal, you're doing good... :) ET Michael Havens writes: You all know me. I'm the self-proclaimed village idiot. I use linux 100% on both of my computers. If the village idiot can do it amyone can. I run Mint12 on my laptop and Ubuntu on the desktop. The only grief I've had with this is when I first installed mint it would panic when I was running it on the battery. Thanks to you guys' recommendation that `lil problem was solved by upgrading the kernel. (I then tried upgrading to an even newer kernel but it started to panic on battery again so I reset it to the kernel I knew worked. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote: I watched the 2012 WLS one, and he's mostly right, but far over-dramatizes it I think. Linux definitely does not suck as a desktop, but if calling it that helps fix bits that do - sure. I use linux exclusively for home and work, which is generally no small feat, relegating windows to vm only. My wife as a non-sysadmin user runs linux natively as well, doing Minecraft, facebook games, gimp for graphics, openoffice, and general every day use. While it gives me grief at times, it also gives me far more potential than any windoze system would without installing linux in vm or cygwin on it. I thought my big desktop system had issues until I used a customer dual-head win7 system for a few days for systems access, and there were far more split desktop rendering issues than I would have expected for modern winos. I suddenly appreciated linux that much more with or without my compiz/ati issues. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:32 AM, AZ RUNE wrote: Well same here, and for the pure spirited 'no its another skin of Windows' try watching Jupiter Broadcasting Linux Sucks on Youtube where they are addressing why Linux doesn't work in the desktop, laptop arena. Made me re evaluate a few things and I am die hard linux fan living in a mixed environment at work. Brian --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Is it possible to make a printer wireless?
Fry's has recently has both Samsung and Brother Network Laser printers for $70. I happen to know that only some of those have had built in wireless but some have. Personally I prefer Brother but that is because I have one and it has been a workhorse. Brother also has higher capacity toner cartridges. If you don't find one with wireless, get a cheap used wireless router for $20, configure it as a repeater or whatever to be the wireless client and plug the printer into one of the switch ports. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Lyle wrote: I hold in my hand a Linksys wireless-G Print Server that i no longer need... I'll reply privately. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
howtogeek.com has a number of articles about adding different desktops to Ubuntu and ubuntu supports you having as many as you want. Once you have selected one at the login screen, it will use that one until you change it. I did a demo for SLUG where I installed 10 or 12 desktops during the meeting and simply had to log out and back in the change between any of them (including MATE BTW). The only one that caused me any grief was XFCE and the only problem was that it changed the splash screen forever. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote: Yes, either use metacity --replace to kill compiz (and unity), or I also use a cairo-dock plugin called composite manager to flip between them. I use a startup launch for cairo and awn, using them to replace unity, the menu, tasks, and systray items, so I don't even notice unity being gone. Between reducing from 2 framebuffers to 1 with a new video card, and disabling compiz/unity, I'd gotten a few weeks of uptime until yesterday whereas prior I'd get about 3 days of stable use. I need to run through and try different desktops now, though anything but unity pooped itself (sad to say) when presented with very large desktop framebuffers. -mb On 07/05/2012 01:46 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: CAN you get Ubuntu to NOT use that stupid unity interface? (Goodness, people, this is a desktop computer, NOT a phone!) --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
Thanks, buddy! On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:07 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Mike, you make choose to be 'village idiot', it's your right. But your persistance handsomely makes up for whatever you think you lack. If I had half of your persistance, I would actully accomplish things. Hang in there pal, you're doing good... :) ET Michael Havens writes: You all know me. I'm the self-proclaimed village idiot. I use linux 100% on both of my computers. If the village idiot can do it amyone can. I run Mint12 on my laptop and Ubuntu on the desktop. The only grief I've had with this is when I first installed mint it would panic when I was running it on the battery. Thanks to you guys' recommendation that `lil problem was solved by upgrading the kernel. (I then tried upgrading to an even newer kernel but it started to panic on battery again so I reset it to the kernel I knew worked. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote: I watched the 2012 WLS one, and he's mostly right, but far over-dramatizes it I think. Linux definitely does not suck as a desktop, but if calling it that helps fix bits that do - sure. I use linux exclusively for home and work, which is generally no small feat, relegating windows to vm only. My wife as a non-sysadmin user runs linux natively as well, doing Minecraft, facebook games, gimp for graphics, openoffice, and general every day use. While it gives me grief at times, it also gives me far more potential than any windoze system would without installing linux in vm or cygwin on it. I thought my big desktop system had issues until I used a customer dual-head win7 system for a few days for systems access, and there were far more split desktop rendering issues than I would have expected for modern winos. I suddenly appreciated linux that much more with or without my compiz/ati issues. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:32 AM, AZ RUNE wrote: Well same here, and for the pure spirited 'no its another skin of Windows' try watching Jupiter Broadcasting Linux Sucks on Youtube where they are addressing why Linux doesn't work in the desktop, laptop arena. Made me re evaluate a few things and I am die hard linux fan living in a mixed environment at work. Brian --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoe**nix.az.ushttp://phoenix.az.us PLUG-discuss@lists.**plug.phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss http://lists.PLUG.**phoenix.az.us/mailman/**listinfo/plug-discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Looking for Router Suggestions
I am looking for a router with the following characteristics: * No wifi * 4 gigabit LAN ports * 1 WAN port to connect to my Cox Cable Modem * 400 MHZ+ processor so I can run OpenVPN SSL for a max of 4 remote users to access the LAN at the same time. The last point comes from reading various forums about running openvpn on the router, and they all say get the fastest possible cpu. I probably have to run dd-wrt on the router to get openvpn running on the router, but I am open to other options (most of the open source router packages support openvpn, so anyone will do). Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: entering command in nautilus
Larry I just wanted to reiterate my gratitude in sharing this with me. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: I generally install nautilus-terminal to give me a terminal built-in to nautilus. Extremely handy. Here are the instructions from my changelog: Added nautilus terminal (terminal within a nautilus window) as shown on http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/nautilus-terminal-embeds-terminal-into.htmland http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/nautilus-embedded-terminal-gets.html using: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:flozz/flozzsudo apt-get updatesudo apt-get install nautilus-terminalnautilus -q On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Sam Kreimeyer skrei...@gmail.com wrote: Backtrack lacks a lot of the user-friendly functionality that you would get with a standard Ubuntu distribution. Because Backtrack is often used as a live distribution, the focus is on keeping it as lean as possible. Synaptic should be on board, though. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Also remove all of the addresses from the message body before forwarding the message. These simple measures prevent spy programs from capturing the addresses shown in the recipient list and the message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
