date:20120710

It is commented out.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:37 PM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.com wrote:

 One other quick item, in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file check to see of the
 following line is comment out or not:

 AuthorizedKeyFile%h/.ssh/authorized_keys  (default is commented out)

 If it isn't commented out and you still can't access simple ssh then
 comment it out and restart ssh.  Once you have simple known_host resolution
 and want to reestablish keys than remove the # write and save the
 sshd_config and restart ssh


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Re: networking problem

well... I'll tell you... I deleted known_hosts on the computer that will
not rsync or ssh and ran the reset command to find no gain in the
situation. I the tried to ssh from  the laptop and after logging in I was
presented with a message that I needed to reboot. I did but there was no
improvement in the situation.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is commented out.

 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:37 PM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.comwrote:

 One other quick item, in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file check to see of
 the following line is comment out or not:

 AuthorizedKeyFile%h/.ssh/authorized_keys  (default is commented out)

 If it isn't commented out and you still can't access simple ssh then
 comment it out and restart ssh.  Once you have simple known_host resolution
 and want to reestablish keys than remove the # write and save the
 sshd_config and restart ssh


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Re: g++

2012-07-10 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com

An IDE will be an unnecessary complication for you.
There is nothing that an IDE can do that can not be accomplished by
vi/grep/find/ctags.
There even *EXISTS* a GUI Vim! :)

One of the things I despise about a Micro$haft environment is that the lack
of tools and convoluted environment DEMANDS the IDE.

I am an experienced C++ programmer (in both, *nix and M$) and I know enough
about g++ to be dangerous. I'll be more than glad to guide your steps over
software development the way that 'real men' write software! ;-)

Feel free to contact me at your convenience, I am heading out of town until
Friday.
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If you have any question,
you will get any answer...

Trent Shipley writes:

I am reading a C++ book on Kindle and I am enjoying it. I could just download the free Microsoft C++ compiler and IDE, but I would like to work in a Linux (Ubuntu) environment.

I have obtained the g++ package. I have obtained Eclipse, which seems to have a C++ plug-in.

Is there a good, recent gcc|g++ book I can read? Failing that is there a way to get the documentation on my tablet (perhaps a PDF)?

How do I get the plug-in for Eclipse?

How do I integrate g++ and Eclipse?

(You can see that I'm angling for an IDE. If I can't get the IDE to work it's
back to Microsoft.)

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Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees

2012-07-10 Thread keith smith


Andrew makes a good point of things must be win-win.  Sounds like they are 
not.  If the business is not viable, it may be time to cut your losses.  A sad 
fact, however this decision is the harsh reality of being in business.

It does sound like the business is hanging in there though.  Might be a good 
time to re-negotiate a more limited relationship.  From what you are saying you 
are not that easily replaced - from a financial perspective.  Of course you 
will have to take into consideration what your desired compensation is.  I 
would guess the business owner knows things are not as good as they could be 
for all involved.  

Maybe if you start by educating the business owner about your current 
compensation level, market compensation for a PHP consultant, you being at 
risk, etc, and then ask how to make this arrangement win-win, you might be 
surprised at what might be offered.





Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 7/9/12, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

From: AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com
Subject: Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 11:52 PM


  


  
  
Hi All,



First of all thanks to those folks who responded with some helpful
points.

To clarify some of the questions asked:



I understand with glaring clarity that I'm am replaceable and know
making demands never works.  Over the years, the company's revenue
has increased. But also over the years, I've spent more time adding
features. It was probably my fault for not clearly detailing how
much time I'd spend adding features  functionality versus just
maintaining the existing application.  Last year I did a bit of
calculation on how much time I spend on maintaining and improving
the application versus my percentage of revenue compensation and I
came to a rate of about $15/hour. 



While in the very beginning of this project, I did it more for the
learning of building a large application and the money was a nice
side job. But now, it seems the hours got longer (due to
significantly increased code base) and the pay didn't keep pace.  At
~$15/hr it's just not worth the time to keep staying on the
project.  However, to get the compensation to a more market-rate
level seems very difficult.  The revenues for this business market
(its academia  government) has been going steady down (the
owner must keep lowering bids each year to get a contract). Looking
at the numbers coming in, if he had to pay me a market-rate for
programming, his IT budget would double or more and the business
would go under.  Which leads me to think that perhaps this isn't a
viable business anymore if one can't make enough income to cover the
costs of infrastructure.



Maybe it's time to let this one go...



Thanks for letting me rant!



Peter







On 7/9/2012 8:01 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

  I don't quite understand what is going on.
  Has their gross revenue remained flat for all these years, do
you are not making add much as before? Or, are you now thinking
that the percentage is too low? 
  Are you spending more time maintaining their servers and
performing updates than when you started? Are you creating new
functionality for them? 
  Mark
  On Jul 9, 2012 7:16 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com

wrote:


   Hi

  All,

  

  I'm in a bit of a quandary about fees I'm receiving from a
  long time client and thought I'd tap the PLUG brain-trust
  to get some input.

  

  This situation is this:

  

  A few years ago I developed a PHP application that a
  client uses to run their business (its a typical LAMP
  platform). Without getting into tedious details, this
  software application is used to run their entire
  business.  It is understood that the software ownship
  resides with me and they are paying for its use -
  licensing it, if you will.  At the start of this project,
  we agreed upon a certain percentage of gross revenue that
  I would receive as payment for use of this software.

  

  In return, I would maintain the software, provide various
  updates or additions, and some light server admin work to
  keep the application running.  This arrangement has been
  working quite well and the business relationship is
  excellent. However, I feel now that the percentage I
  receive is too low (it hasn't been changed since the start
  of this venture).  I have broached the subject of having
  to update our

OT: Android Dev Questions

2012-07-10 Thread keith smith


Posted to PLUG, TFUG, AzPHP



I wondering about trends.  Currently I
make my living as a LAMP developer.  The market seems strong and lots
of main stream apps are built with PHP.  So I expect the market to
continue to be strong for 10 – 15 years.  That is the time frame I
am interested in.  




Things are moving rather fast now. 
Cheap hardware is now a reality.  It looks like a smart phone has
more CPU and RAM than the laptop I bought 10 year ago, and the
desktop I bought 7 year ago.  I think I saw a smart phone that had a
dual core 1.5ghtz processor and a gig of RAM.  My first 2 computers
didn't even have hard drives.. 




I'm intrigued by Android development. 
Seems there is really only one option and that is the Android SDK
that is modified Java.  I don't find Java to be intuitive, however I
can live with it.   




My main question has to do with
compatibility.  A friend tells me he thinks there are comparability
issues between manufactures since they modify Android to met their
needs and the lack of standards. After exchanging emails, it sounds
like writing Android code is like writing JavaScript that needs to
run in all the currently available browsers.  We have JavaScript
solutions – MooTools, jQuery … etc.  However in the short time
I've been looking at Android development, I have not found any
information on compatibility issues (however I have not search
either).



I have lots of questions.



What is the life expectancy of
Android?  Will it be around 15 years from now?
How hard is it to upgrade a phone
to a newer version of Android?
Are there any compatibility
issues?
How does one monetize Android
application development skills?
Where can I find quality used
Android phones? 

What device would you recommend I
use to learn Android development – Phone, Tablet, Simulator? 





Thank you so much for all your insight.



   





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RE: OT: Software Licensing Fees

Yeah, I feel your pain, but more than you know - I did a fixed bid deal many 
years ago and quit keeping track of my hours when I reached the wonderful rate 
of $1/hour.

Yep.  $1/hour.  Yes, that was 20 years ago, but I had much more work to do on a 
fixed bid job, so it went below that amount 

Rusty


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...maintaining the existing application.  Last year I did a bit of
calculation on how much time I spend on maintaining and improving
the application versus my percentage of revenue compensation and I
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Re: networking problem

Mike,

A few questions -
  which box is client and which is host (for purposes of ssh)?
  On which box is the rsync program running?
  Are you using static IP addresses for both boxes?
  On the client box do you have a known_hosts file in ~/.ssh
  If you see known_hosts file type cat known_hosts while in the directory
~/.ssh do you see the line id-rsa= with a bunch of numbers and letter pairs?
  On client do you see id_rsa and id_rsa.pub in ~/.ssh?
  On the host box do you see a file named authorized_keys in ~/.ssh?


well... I'll tell you... I deleted known_hosts on the computer that will
 not rsync or ssh and ran the reset command to find no gain in the
 situation. I the tried to ssh from  the laptop and after logging in I was
 presented with a message that I needed to reboot. I did but there was no
 improvement in the situation.




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Re: networking problem

Also you mentioned networking problems with the address that you are using
in for Openssh can you ping the box?  try pinging the host box from client
using ping -c4 host ip address  check for packet loss.  If you are losing
packets and/or the host cannot be reached than you have a network problem
other than just ssh and you will need to solve this first.

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Re: OT: Android Dev Questions

2012-07-10 Thread Mark Phillips

Gmail seems to have a problem with inline answers today, so I will add them
here...


   1.

   What is the life expectancy of Android? Will it be around 15 years from
   now?

   I haven't a clue. I hope I am around 15 years from now! ;)
   2.

   How hard is it to upgrade a phone to a newer version of Android?

   If your carrier wants to upgrade the phone, then they will send you an
   upgrade package OTA and your phone will upgrade. If you want to upgrade
   manually, then you will have to root your phone and apply the upgrade
   manually. Just google for your phone type and the upgrade you want.
   Generally speaking, US carriers don't want to spend the time upgrading
   phones - they want you to buy a new one because they subsidize part of the
   cost to get you to buy a plan. In Europe, you pay the full price for the
   phone, so you can upgrade it as you wish. As a result, the versions change
   slowly - 86.7% of the phones out there are at version 2.3.3, and version 4
   was just released. This percentage would be even higher if it weren't for
   tablets (versions 3 and 4 added a lot of tablet stuff).


   1.

   Are there any compatibility issues?

   Yes and no. Some older early Android hardware will have problems with
   the newer android versions, but for the most part they are supposed to be
   backward compatible. The big moving target is screen resolution - ie
   tablets versus larger screen phones. It takes some ui redesign to move from
   a small screen to a giant one, and to be compatible with all of them.
   However, the underlying non-ui parts are the same.
   2.

   How does one monetize Android application development skills?

   Write a killer app and sell it. ;) The google market is huge, so it is
   harder to get noticed (ie rated and found), and there is no easy way to
   talk to anyone at google about issues with your account. However, other
   markets exists - amazon looks promising, but I believe they take a larger
   cut, but provide better customer support. Of course, if your app is free,
   it does not matter.
   3.

   Where can I find quality used Android phones?

   I am not sure what quality means, but in the usual places - craig's
   list, ebay, etc. Friends as well.it does not take much time to download
   an app run it and then remove it. The Android SDK comes with a good
   emulator, so you can catch lots of issues with that tool. Again, the
   biggest issue I have found is varying screen resolutions and making sure
   everything looks right. The emulator helps, and I have not found a need to
   have every phone on the market in my possession to test. There are also
   testing services you can use - some free and some for pay.
   4.

   What device would you recommend I use to learn Android development –
   Phone, Tablet, Simulator?

   Start with the SDK and the emulator. Also, take a look at this page -
   http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html to see where to
   target your development. Then read the android developer docs - they are
   very very good. Depending on how you learn, you may want to pick up a book
   or two, but they are totally out of date except for the basics. Another
   good source is http://commonsware.com/mmurphy. You can pay for the
   e-book and get all the updates and changes for a year. Mark Murphy hangs
   out in the developer forum and provides very good answers to questions,
   especially for newbies.

Hope that helps.and no, I have not created any killer apps yet so I can
retire on the millions in royalty checks from google...so YMMV!

Good luck!

Mark

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:27 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Posted to PLUG, TFUG, AzPHP


  I wondering about trends. Currently I make my living as a LAMP
 developer. The market seems strong and lots of main stream apps are built
 with PHP. So I expect the market to continue to be strong for 10 – 15
 years. That is the time frame I am interested in.


  Things are moving rather fast now. Cheap hardware is now a reality. It
 looks like a smart phone has more CPU and RAM than the laptop I bought 10
 year ago, and the desktop I bought 7 year ago. I think I saw a smart phone
 that had a dual core 1.5ghtz processor and a gig of RAM. My first 2
 computers didn't even have hard drives..


  I'm intrigued by Android development. Seems there is really only one
 option and that is the Android SDK that is modified Java. I don't find Java
 to be intuitive, however I can live with it.


  My main question has to do with compatibility. A friend tells me he
 thinks there are comparability issues between manufactures since they
 modify Android to met their needs and the lack of standards. After
 exchanging emails, it sounds like writing Android code is like writing
 JavaScript that needs to run in all the currently available browsers. We
 have JavaScript solutions – MooTools, jQuery … etc. However in the short
 time I've been looking at Android

Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees

2012-07-10 Thread Mark Phillips

I agree with JD.

1. Take a look at what exists today and negotiate a maintenance contract
just for that. Any new features beyond what is there today will entail (1)
a development cost and (2) a maintenance cost for those features. You may
decide to include the maintenance on a new feature is so small it will be
part of the current maintenance contract, but all new features need to be
paid for.

2. Finally, spend you free time figuring out how to automate the
maintenance of what you already have, (ie whatever it takes to reduce the
amount of time you spend on maintenance) and make those changes so the time
spend on maintenance goes down.

Mark

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:23 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 First of all 'Adding new features' is NOT maintenance; did you agree to
 implementing new features as part of your maintenance agreement?.  $15/hour
 is not even close to industry standard.
 You are correct.. it is not worth the time you're spending on it.  I would
 immediately 're-clarify' what you're willing to do for the small amount
 they're paying you; specifically stop creating new features and only
 maintain what you've already created (bug fixes and OS related updates
 only) .  If they want more then it's time to re-negotiate.

 I understand with glaring clarity that I'm am replaceable and know making
 demands never works.


 Anyone they bring in will have to climb the learning curve of the code
 you've created; you're not as replaceable as you think.  I would say don't
 make threats or demands... just be open and honest with them about it.  If
 it were me I would simply state that while you've added new features
 without demanding additional compensation in the past that doing so has
 become a barrier to the success of your business due to the increasing
 amount of time involved and that you can no longer continue to do so.  Say
 you'll continue to support the application you've created for them as
 agreed for the price agreed but that support does not include implementing
 new features.

 Don't feel too bad... I've made the same mistake you have Pete... I tried
 to be 'the low price leader' for way too long   :)
 Charge at least 7 - 10 times what you're charging them; think 'if I had to
 take myself out of the equation how much would I have to spend on a
 competent programmer to do so'   (salary.com is a good indicator).  I too
 was stuck in a situation where I couldn't even hire someone to take over
 the work that was killing my business; bad situation to be in :(

 JD

 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:52 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

  Hi All,

 First of all thanks to those folks who responded with some helpful points.
 To clarify some of the questions asked:

 I understand with glaring clarity that I'm am replaceable and know making
 demands never works.  Over the years, the company's revenue has increased.
 But also over the years, I've spent more time adding features. It was
 probably my fault for not clearly detailing how much time I'd spend adding
 features  functionality versus just maintaining the existing application.
 Last year I did a bit of calculation on how much time I spend on
 maintaining and improving the application versus my percentage of revenue
 compensation and I came to a rate of about $15/hour.

 While in the very beginning of this project, I did it more for the
 learning of building a large application and the money was a nice side job.
 But now, it seems the hours got longer (due to significantly increased code
 base) and the pay didn't keep pace.  At ~$15/hr it's just not worth the
 time to keep staying on the project.  However, to get the compensation to a
 more market-rate level seems very difficult.  The revenues for this
 business market (its academia  government) has been going steady down (the
 owner must keep lowering bids each year to get a contract). Looking at the
 numbers coming in, if he had to pay me a market-rate for programming, his
 IT budget would double or more and the business would go under.  Which
 leads me to think that perhaps this isn't a viable business anymore if one
 can't make enough income to cover the costs of infrastructure.

 Maybe it's time to let this one go...

 Thanks for letting me rant!

 Peter




 On 7/9/2012 8:01 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 I don't quite understand what is going on.

 Has their gross revenue remained flat for all these years, do you are not
 making add much as before? Or, are you now thinking that the percentage is
 too low?

 Are you spending more time maintaining their servers and performing
 updates than when you started? Are you creating new functionality for them?

 Mark
 On Jul 9, 2012 7:16 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

  Hi All,

 I'm in a bit of a quandary about fees I'm receiving from a long time
 client and thought I'd tap the PLUG brain-trust to get some input.

 This situation is this:

 A few years ago I developed a PHP application that a client uses to run

Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees

2012-07-10 Thread Wayne Davis

The issue (I) see is this:   Do you have a written contract?  If so, 
what is WRITTEN is binding.   I see the _possibility_ of all kinds of 
LEGAL troubles.


Suppose:  You say Goodbye, The company dies, He sues you for breach 
of contract... and wins.  OH NOES!


On the other hand, I believe verbal agreements rarely hold up in court.

BEFORE you make any large decision in this matter it may be prudent to 
speak with a lawyer.  As we all know, The U.S. is the MOST litigious 
nation on earth


You have already made the statement that if he were to pay you the going 
rate it would kill the business.

Over the years, the company's revenue has increased
the owner must keep lowering bids each year to get a contract
In essence you are saying that a theoretical maximum increase of costs 
of $31,200 would kill the business,  (Double the IT cost at full time 
(2080 Hrs/yr), MUCH less if you work a few hours a week for him.
 NO owner would willingly cut his own throat.  So, a raise appears to 
me to be out of the question.


Point here now becomes:  Is this revenue stream large enough to put a 
dent in YOUR wallet should it stop?  With the economy as it is, I'd look 
hard at that.

Do you have MARKET RATE work to fill in the gap LONG TERM?

Since the relationship is good, you need to weight THAT too. Does that 
relationship bring work in via referrals etc?
Would severing the relationship harm your other existing streams OR hurt 
your ability to create more streams?
Is the  RELATIONSHIP important to you?   Sometimes it is about more than 
just money.  Add that you said, you are replaceable AND that if you 
walk, you will effectively slit HIS throat.
NOTHING will divide family/ friends/ relationships faster that money 
based issues.  I have personally witnessed a older friend lose a 
lifelong friend since they were both 5 years old and end up not 
speaking... permanently due to arguments regarding money.



Hope I've helped  :-)



Wayne






 07/10/2012 05:41 AM, keith smith wrote:


Andrew makes a good point of things must be win-win. Sounds like they 
are not.  If the business is not viable, it may be time to cut your 
losses.  A sad fact, however this decision is the harsh reality of 
being in business.


It does sound like the business is hanging in there though.  Might be 
a good time to re-negotiate a more limited relationship.  From what 
you are saying you are not that easily replaced - from a financial 
perspective. Of course you will have to take into consideration what 
your desired compensation is.  I would guess the business owner knows 
things are not as good as they could be for all involved.


Maybe if you start by educating the business owner about your current 
compensation level, market compensation for a PHP consultant, you 
being at risk, etc, and then ask how to make this arrangement win-win, 
you might be surprised at what might be offered.




Keith Smith

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From: AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com
Subject: Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees
To: Main PLUG discussion list
plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 11:52 PM

Hi All,

First of all thanks to those folks who responded with some helpful
points.
To clarify some of the questions asked:

I understand with glaring clarity that I'm am replaceable and know
making demands never works. *Over the years, the company's revenue
has increased.* But also over the years, I've spent more time
adding features. It was probably my fault for not clearly
detailing how much time I'd spend adding features  functionality
versus just maintaining the existing application.  Last year I did
a bit of calculation on how much time I spend on maintaining and
improving the application versus my percentage of revenue
compensation and I came to a rate of about $15/hour.

While in the very beginning of this project, I did it more for the
learning of building a large application and the money was a nice
side job. But now, it seems the hours got longer (due to
significantly increased code base) and the pay didn't keep pace. 
At ~$*15/hr it's just not worth the time to keep staying on the

project. * However, to get the compensation to a more
market-rate level seems very difficult.  The revenues for this
business market (its academia  government) has been going steady
down (*the owner must keep lowering bids each year to get a
contract*). Looking at the numbers coming in, if he had to pay me
a market-rate for programming, his IT budget would double or more
and the business would go under.  Which leads me to think that
perhaps this isn't a viable business anymore if one can't make
enough income to cover the costs of infrastructure.

Maybe it's time to let this one go...

Thanks for letting me rant!

Peter



On 7/9/2012 8:01 PM,

Re: g++

2012-07-10 Thread Stephen

For windows i like notepad ++ light context highlights and tabs. Very basic
for sure but i really like it. Just wish i had a Linux port.
On Jul 10, 2012 4:21 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com
wrote:

An IDE will be an unnecessary complication for you.
There is nothing that an IDE can do that can not be accomplished by
vi/grep/find/ctags.
There even *EXISTS* a GUI Vim! :)
One of the things I despise about a Micro$haft environment is that the
lack of tools and convoluted environment DEMANDS the IDE.
I am an experienced C++ programmer (in both, *nix and M$) and I know
enough about g++ to be dangerous. I'll be more than glad to guide your
steps over software development the way that 'real men' write software!
;-)
Feel free to contact me at your convenience, I am heading out of town
until Friday.
ET
PS: And remember:
If you have any question,
you will get any answer...

Trent Shipley writes:

I am reading a C++ book on Kindle and I am enjoying it. I could just
download the free Microsoft C++ compiler and IDE, but I would like to work
in a Linux (Ubuntu) environment.
I have obtained the g++ package. I have obtained Eclipse, which seems to
have a C++ plug-in.
Is there a good, recent gcc|g++ book I can read? Failing that is there a
way to get the documentation on my tablet (perhaps a PDF)?
How do I get the plug-in for Eclipse?
How do I integrate g++ and Eclipse?
(You can see that I'm angling for an IDE. If I can't get the IDE to work
it's back to Microsoft.)

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RE: g++

Call me a whatever, but I like the kitchen sink editor.  Which is to
say 'emacs'.  You can even use it as something of an IDE, if you wish.
(And it has syntax highlighting, all that sort of stuff).  To compile,
just 'Macro-x compile' (IIRC, and I think I do), then you can visit each
error/warning, edit, and go to the next.  It will keep track of your
line insertions and deletions such that it will go to the next error
correctly.  If you have the x-enabled version, once your focus is inside
the compilation output window, you even have buttons for 'goto next
error', 'recompile', etc.

 

Others love VI/VIM/VIwhatever.  But let's not get into a flame war
over kitchen sinks vs VI ;-)

 

Or one of the IDEs you mention might work also.  But beware - my (very
limitd) experience with eclipse is that it makes the kitchen sink editor
look small J

 

Um, you are using ubuntu?  Isn't the plugin there in synaptic?  Yeah,
there it is - eclipse-cdt.  So: sudo apt-get install eclipse-cdt if
you don't want to use synaptic.  (I've not used eclipse on linux, so I
have no idea if eclipse-cdt will work with g++, but I'd be a bit
surprised if it didn't)

 

Rusty

 

 

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Stephen
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:18 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: g++

 

For windows i like notepad ++ light context highlights and tabs. Very
basic for sure but i really like it. Just wish i had a Linux port.

...

PS: And remember:
If you have any question,
you will get any answer... 


Trent Shipley writes: 

...I have obtained the g++ package.  I have obtained Eclipse, which
seems to have a C++ plug-in. 
Is there a good, recent gcc|g++ book I can read? Failing that is there a
way to get the documentation on my tablet (perhaps a PDF)? 
How do I get the plug-in for Eclipse? 
How do I integrate g++ and Eclipse? 
(You can see that I'm angling for an IDE.  If I can't get the IDE to
work it's back to Microsoft.)

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Re: g++

2012-07-10 Thread Eric Cope

If we are throwing out editors, I highly recommend Sublime Text 2. It is
very fast, is incredibly good looking. Its not FOSS, but somethings are
worth it :)

Eric

prepares for flame war :)

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Call me a whatever, but I like the kitchen sink editor.  Which is to say
 ‘emacs’.  You can even use it as something of an IDE, if you wish.  (And it
 has syntax highlighting, all that sort of stuff).  To compile, just
 ‘Macro-x compile’ (IIRC, and I think I do), then you can visit each
 error/warning, edit, and go to the next.  It will keep track of your line
 insertions and deletions such that it will go to the next error correctly.
 If you have the x-enabled version, once your focus is inside the
 compilation output window, you even have buttons for ‘goto next error’,
 ‘recompile’, etc.

 ** **

 Others love VI/VIM/VIwhatever.  But let’s not get into a flame war over
 kitchen sinks vs VI ;-)

 ** **

 Or one of the IDEs you mention might work also.  But beware – my (very
 limitd) experience with eclipse is that it makes the kitchen sink editor
 look small J

 ** **

 Um, you are using ubuntu?  Isn’t the plugin there in synaptic?  Yeah,
 there it is – eclipse-cdt.  So: “sudo apt-get install eclipse-cdt” if you
 don’t want to use synaptic.  (I’ve not used eclipse on linux, so I have no
 idea if eclipse-cdt will work with g++, but I’d be a bit surprised if it
 didn’t)

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Stephen
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:18 AM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: g++

 ** **

 For windows i like notepad ++ light context highlights and tabs. Very
 basic for sure but i really like it. Just wish i had a Linux port.

 …

 PS: And remember:
 If you have any question,
 you will get any answer...


 Trent Shipley writes: 

 …I have obtained the g++ package.  I have obtained Eclipse, which seems
 to have a C++ plug-in.
 Is there a good, recent gcc|g++ book I can read? Failing that is there a
 way to get the documentation on my tablet (perhaps a PDF)?
 How do I get the plug-in for Eclipse?
 How do I integrate g++ and Eclipse?
 (You can see that I'm angling for an IDE.  If I can't get the IDE to work
 it's back to Microsoft.)

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Re: g++

2012-07-10 Thread James Mcphee

Netbeans has a vi plugin.  YAY!

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:

 If we are throwing out editors, I highly recommend Sublime Text 2. It is
 very fast, is incredibly good looking. Its not FOSS, but somethings are
 worth it :)

 Eric

 prepares for flame war :)

 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote:

 Call me a whatever, but I like the kitchen sink editor.  Which is to
 say ‘emacs’.  You can even use it as something of an IDE, if you wish.
 (And it has syntax highlighting, all that sort of stuff).  To compile, just
 ‘Macro-x compile’ (IIRC, and I think I do), then you can visit each
 error/warning, edit, and go to the next.  It will keep track of your line
 insertions and deletions such that it will go to the next error correctly.
 If you have the x-enabled version, once your focus is inside the
 compilation output window, you even have buttons for ‘goto next error’,
 ‘recompile’, etc.

 ** **

 Others love VI/VIM/VIwhatever.  But let’s not get into a flame war over
 kitchen sinks vs VI ;-)

 ** **

 Or one of the IDEs you mention might work also.  But beware – my (very
 limitd) experience with eclipse is that it makes the kitchen sink editor
 look small J

 ** **

 Um, you are using ubuntu?  Isn’t the plugin there in synaptic?  Yeah,
 there it is – eclipse-cdt.  So: “sudo apt-get install eclipse-cdt” if you
 don’t want to use synaptic.  (I’ve not used eclipse on linux, so I have no
 idea if eclipse-cdt will work with g++, but I’d be a bit surprised if it
 didn’t)

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Stephen
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:18 AM
 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: g++

 ** **

 For windows i like notepad ++ light context highlights and tabs. Very
 basic for sure but i really like it. Just wish i had a Linux port.

 …

 PS: And remember:
 If you have any question,
 you will get any answer...


 Trent Shipley writes: 

 …I have obtained the g++ package.  I have obtained Eclipse, which seems
 to have a C++ plug-in.
 Is there a good, recent gcc|g++ book I can read? Failing that is there a
 way to get the documentation on my tablet (perhaps a PDF)?
 How do I get the plug-in for Eclipse?
 How do I integrate g++ and Eclipse?
 (You can see that I'm angling for an IDE.  If I can't get the IDE to work
 it's back to Microsoft.)

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RE: g++

No need to throw out any editor, use whatever one you like!

 

Oh, wait, “throw out” as in “throw out to the wolves”.  “Never mind” ;-)

 

And, I certainly see no reason to flame about editors (I am something of an 
‘olde pharte’, so I’ve seen some pretty stupid editor flamewars ‘back in the 
day’ J )

 

In any case,  I’m just glad that in Linux-land you get to choose your editor 
(and mail client!!! And mail client editor (to a lesser degree)  I hate 
Outbreak’s editor… )

 

Rusty

 

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Eric Cope
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:42 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: g++

 

If we are throwing out editors, I highly recommend Sublime Text 2. It is very 
fast, is incredibly good looking. Its not FOSS, but somethings are worth it :) 

Eric

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Re: g++

2012-07-10 Thread Adam McCullough

I started out as a Vim lover many years ago. A supervisor at my internship
nudged me (in his gentle, wise, fatherly way) into trying to become tool
agnostic.

So, my donation of kerosene to the embers of this editor war: Learn one
editor. Then learn another. Then another! Knowing the basics of vim and
emacs both gives you a lingua franca across Linux, Unix, BSD, OS X,
Windows, and more.

How many programs grok hjkl natively? Or C-n/C-p/C-b/C-f? How many more
have plugins to add such functionality?

Diversity helps. :)

Adam

On 10 July 2012 09:51, Carruth, Rusty rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.comwrote:

 No need to throw out any editor, use whatever one you like!

 ** **

 Oh, wait, “throw out” as in “throw out to the wolves”.  “Never mind” ;-)**
 **

 ** **

 And, I certainly see no reason to flame about editors (I am something of
 an ‘olde pharte’, so I’ve seen some pretty stupid editor flamewars ‘back in
 the day’ J )

 ** **

 In any case,  I’m just glad that in Linux-land you get to choose your
 editor (and mail client!!! And mail client editor (to a lesser degree)
 I hate Outbreak’s editor… )

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Eric Cope
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:42 AM

 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: g++

 ** **

 If we are throwing out editors, I highly recommend Sublime Text 2. It is
 very fast, is incredibly good looking. Its not FOSS, but somethings are
 worth it :)

 Eric

 prepares for flame war :)

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Re: g++

2012-07-10 Thread Eric Cope

On that note, you should definitely know Vi because some day you will have
to SSH to a server, and need to read a file. Knowing Vi makes that really
easy. But my day-to-day programming is in Sublime.

Eric



On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Adam McCullough ajmcc...@asu.edu wrote:

 I started out as a Vim lover many years ago. A supervisor at my internship
 nudged me (in his gentle, wise, fatherly way) into trying to become tool
 agnostic.

 So, my donation of kerosene to the embers of this editor war: Learn one
 editor. Then learn another. Then another! Knowing the basics of vim and
 emacs both gives you a lingua franca across Linux, Unix, BSD, OS X,
 Windows, and more.

 How many programs grok hjkl natively? Or C-n/C-p/C-b/C-f? How many more
 have plugins to add such functionality?

 Diversity helps. :)

 Adam

 On 10 July 2012 09:51, Carruth, Rusty 
 rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.comwrote:

  No need to throw out any editor, use whatever one you like!

 ** **

 Oh, wait, “throw out” as in “throw out to the wolves”.  “Never mind” ;-)*
 ***

 ** **

 And, I certainly see no reason to flame about editors (I am something of
 an ‘olde pharte’, so I’ve seen some pretty stupid editor flamewars ‘back in
 the day’ J )

 ** **

 In any case,  I’m just glad that in Linux-land you get to choose your
 editor (and mail client!!! And mail client editor (to a lesser degree)
 I hate Outbreak’s editor… )

 ** **

 Rusty

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
 plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Eric Cope
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:42 AM

 *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
 *Subject:* Re: g++

 ** **

 If we are throwing out editors, I highly recommend Sublime Text 2. It is
 very fast, is incredibly good looking. Its not FOSS, but somethings are
 worth it :)

 Eric

 prepares for flame war :)

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RE: g++

Agree completely.  If you don’t know VI, you’re going to wish you did sooner or 
later.  (And remember, I’m the one who brought up emacs! J  Yes, I can use VI – 
I’m no VI expert, but I can hkjl my way around, and even know what :.,$d means 
;-)  (assuming I correctly remember needing the colon…)

 

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How to troubleshoot a printing problem?

2012-07-10 Thread joe


I have an HP LaserJet4 that has worked fine for years printing via 'cups'
from my long reliable Linux box.

But recently it started hanging up with the form feed light lit and when
I would tap the form feed lighted button, it would print a single
document.

Then, a couple weeks later, that quit working and when I would tap the
form feed lighted button, the printer would just print a page with a
single line that reads:

;%-12345x'pjl set pageprotect=auto-*'pjl set manualfeed=off*'pjl set
economode=o...

I am able to print a test page from the printer, so I believe the printer
itself is okay.

When I go to http://localhost:631/admin/ (there is no login to root, as I
understand there is supposed to be), but it just opens to the admin page
automatically ... but I am unable to delete either of the printers listed
there.

Meanwhile, I have been able to print from my wife's xp laptop.

And also, I have been able to print from another laptop on which I just
installed kubuntu.

So, I assume the problem is something wrong with 'cups' on my main desktop
computer

How can I trouble-shoot this and figure out what needs to be corrected?



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Re: networking problem

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:33 AM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 A few questions -
   which box is client and which is host (for purposes of ssh)?


1- I'm embarrassed to say, but I don't know. I think they both are client.
rsync and ssh work from the laptop to the desktop but I can do neither the
other way.
2- As for ping: it will ping from the desktop to the laptop but not the
other way. Is this odd? In my mind it shouldn;t ping from the desktop to
the laptop! seeing as what I said in 1.
3- Static IP addresses? I know I set them up as static when I first set it
up and with each new install they didn't change so I never bothered making
sure they were static again. It is bad of me but i  just assumed everything
was cool.
4- known_hosts file? There is a known_hosts file on the laptop and after it
was deleted it recreated itself. Not so on the desktop. I deleted it and it
didn't recreate itself.
5- id_rsa and id_rsa.pub in ~/.ssh? Neither of those files exist.
6- authorized_keys? On neither of the boxes do I see the
file  authorized_keys. So I suppose that means neither is a host.


  On which box is the rsync program running?
   Are you using static IP addresses for both boxes?
   On the client box do you have a known_hosts file in ~/.ssh
   If you see known_hosts file type cat known_hosts while in the directory
 ~/.ssh do you see the line id-rsa= with a bunch of numbers and letter pairs?
   On client do you see id_rsa and id_rsa.pub in ~/.ssh?
   On the host box do you see a file named authorized_keys in ~/.ssh?



 Also you mentioned networking problems with the address that you are using
 in for Openssh can you ping the box?  try pinging the host box from client
 using ping -c4 host ip address  check for packet loss.  If you are losing
 packets and/or the host cannot be reached than you have a network problem
 other than just ssh and you will need to solve this first.


 well... I'll tell you... I deleted known_hosts on the computer that will
 not rsync or ssh and ran the reset command to find no gain in the
 situation. I the tried to ssh from  the laptop and after logging in I was
 presented with a message that I needed to reboot. I did but there was no
 improvement in the situation.




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Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees

I agree with most of the comments here.  However regarding contracts,  I
won't tell you not to check with an attorney however that can get really
expensive for $15 /hr.worth of programing work.  If you have a written
contract with the business and it does not a have any recitals in it that
require you to pay THEIR attorney fees for any disputes (that they win)
then it will also cost them as much or more to take you to court and with
the chance that they do not win.  In this case you would have as much or
more leverage in the contract as them.

As a senior manager I have seen a lot of contracts and NO contract even if
it is written can force unfair business practices on another entity.  Even
if your contract stated that you must maintain the software forever this
would not meet any legal nexus today.

I say agree to maintain the software only and as others have stated
maximize/automate your maintenance to get your dollars/hr back to where you
are comfortable with the time spent.  Any new features aught to be
re-negotiated based on a cost/benefit analysis to them that is inline with
your rates and expenses.

If you are doing a lot of this work (for others) it may make sense to form
and LLC and move your work under this protection.  I would talk to an
attorney about forming an LLC and moving my work into it.


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Re: How to troubleshoot a printing problem?

2012-07-10 Thread Dazed_75

Try looking at:
/var/log/cups/access_log
/var/log/cups/error_log
/var/log/cups/page_log

If you want to try deleting and re-installing the printer, make sure it's
print queue/spooler is empty.  If you still can't delete the existing
printer just install it again with a new name.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:15 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote:


 I have an HP LaserJet4 that has worked fine for years printing via 'cups'
 from my long reliable Linux box.

 But recently it started hanging up with the form feed light lit and when
 I would tap the form feed lighted button, it would print a single
 document.

 Then, a couple weeks later, that quit working and when I would tap the
 form feed lighted button, the printer would just print a page with a
 single line that reads:

 ;%-12345x'pjl set pageprotect=auto-*'pjl set manualfeed=off*'pjl set
 economode=o...

 I am able to print a test page from the printer, so I believe the printer
 itself is okay.

 When I go to http://localhost:631/admin/ (there is no login to root, as I
 understand there is supposed to be), but it just opens to the admin page
 automatically ... but I am unable to delete either of the printers listed
 there.

 Meanwhile, I have been able to print from my wife's xp laptop.

 And also, I have been able to print from another laptop on which I just
 installed kubuntu.

 So, I assume the problem is something wrong with 'cups' on my main desktop
 computer

 How can I trouble-shoot this and figure out what needs to be corrected?



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presentation for Thu

2012-07-10 Thread der.hans


moin moin,

Brian, in addition to your presentation for Thursday, put me down for a
presentation on text art tools and demos.

###
Title: Text (ASCII) art tools and demos

Description: GNU/Linux has several fun tools for creating text art and
effects. See tools such as sl, figlet and cowsay in action! :)
###

For next month I'll do a new version of my on-the-fly presentation from
last month. Here's a new title and description.

###
Title: Online security, privacy and password management

Description: Tools and tips for giving you more control over your online
security and privacy. Recent breaches at LinkedIn, eHarmony and Last.FM
prove that we can't rely on cloud services to protect our data.

Password managers such as KeePassX help us easily use different, strong
passwords for each site. They also enable several other good security
practices. Other tools can also make it easy for you to take charge of
your online security and privacy.

In addition to good practices for online security, the presentation will
cover tools and practices that can be used to effectively keep your online
accounts seperate from each other so that a security breach at one company
doesn't expose your other accounts.
###

ciao,

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Re: presentation for Thu

2012-07-10 Thread Brian Cluff


OK, I have us down for the following on thurs:

Presenter: Brian Cluff
Title: Kdenlive
Description: Demonstration of the kdenlive nonlinear video editor.  If 
you are using Openshot or thinking about using it, I think it will be 
worth your time to check out kdenlive instead.


Presenter: Der.Hans
Title: Text (ASCII) art tools and demos

Description: GNU/Linux has several fun tools for creating text art and
effects. See tools such as sl, figlet and cowsay in action!

I also have next months topic in the website and it will be published 
just after this thursdays meeting finishes. :)


I hope to see everyone there.

Brian

On 07/10/2012 11:42 AM, der.hans wrote:

moin moin,

Brian, in addition to your presentation for Thursday, put me down for a
presentation on text art tools and demos.

###
Title: Text (ASCII) art tools and demos

Description: GNU/Linux has several fun tools for creating text art and
effects. See tools such as sl, figlet and cowsay in action! :)
###

For next month I'll do a new version of my on-the-fly presentation from
last month. Here's a new title and description.

###
Title: Online security, privacy and password management

Description: Tools and tips for giving you more control over your online
security and privacy. Recent breaches at LinkedIn, eHarmony and Last.FM
prove that we can't rely on cloud services to protect our data.

Password managers such as KeePassX help us easily use different, strong
passwords for each site. They also enable several other good security
practices. Other tools can also make it easy for you to take charge of
your online security and privacy.

In addition to good practices for online security, the presentation will
cover tools and practices that can be used to effectively keep your online
accounts seperate from each other so that a security breach at one company
doesn't expose your other accounts.
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Re: OT: Android Dev Questions

2012-07-10 Thread Stephen

Android is way to popular to disappear anytime soon. I know eclipse has
some built in tools for android sdk and the new emulators help a ton. Mark
covered allot but did not mention there are two ways to build an app one is
more modular the other being more closely tied to hardware.

But getting into the rom/mod community will get you some good contacts for
android development and places to promote applications or find testers.
On Jul 10, 2012 6:27 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Posted to PLUG, TFUG, AzPHP


  I wondering about trends. Currently I make my living as a LAMP
 developer. The market seems strong and lots of main stream apps are built
 with PHP. So I expect the market to continue to be strong for 10 – 15
 years. That is the time frame I am interested in.


  Things are moving rather fast now. Cheap hardware is now a reality. It
 looks like a smart phone has more CPU and RAM than the laptop I bought 10
 year ago, and the desktop I bought 7 year ago. I think I saw a smart phone
 that had a dual core 1.5ghtz processor and a gig of RAM. My first 2
 computers didn't even have hard drives..


  I'm intrigued by Android development. Seems there is really only one
 option and that is the Android SDK that is modified Java. I don't find Java
 to be intuitive, however I can live with it.


  My main question has to do with compatibility. A friend tells me he
 thinks there are comparability issues between manufactures since they
 modify Android to met their needs and the lack of standards. After
 exchanging emails, it sounds like writing Android code is like writing
 JavaScript that needs to run in all the currently available browsers. We
 have JavaScript solutions – MooTools, jQuery … etc. However in the short
 time I've been looking at Android development, I have not found any
 information on compatibility issues (however I have not search either).


  I have lots of questions.



1.

What is the life expectancy of Android? Will it be around 15 years
from now?
2.

How hard is it to upgrade a phone to a newer version of Android?
3.

Are there any compatibility issues?
4.

How does one monetize Android application development skills?
5.

Where can I find quality used Android phones?
6.

What device would you recommend I use to learn Android development –
Phone, Tablet, Simulator?


  Thank you so much for all your insight.




 
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Re: networking problem

*1- I'm embarrassed to say, but I don't know. I think they both are client.
 rsync and ssh work from the laptop to the desktop but I can do neither the
 other way.  *My apologies, let me clarify.  Openssh installs as both
 server and client on each machine, so both computers are both.  However the
 computer requesting access is the client and the remote is the server.
 Since rsync can both push and pull data, which direction and from what
 machine is it running.  Are you using rsync installed on the laptop to push
 and/or pull data to the desktop or the other way around?  In this case the
 laptop is the ssh client and desktop is the ssh server.




 *2- As for ping: it will ping from the desktop to the laptop but not the
 other way. Is this odd? In my mind it shouldn;t ping from the desktop to
 the laptop! seeing as what I said in 1. *This could be a number of
 things.  Laptop is not responding to the IP address sent, DNS addressing in
 the desktop is not set correctly, or the port through which you are trying
 to access the laptop is not allowing either the desktop to use it or the
 laptop to see.  Do you have a router or other gateway device port
 forwarding between the desktop and the laptop, any user set firwall
 settings in ufw you have added?



 *3- Static IP addresses? I know I set them up as static when I first set
 it up and with each new install they didn't change so I never bothered
 making sure they were static again. It is bad of me but i  just assumed
 everything was cool.  *I would double check these first in
 /etc/network/interfaces for each system. Make sure you are using the right
 addresses.



 *4- known_hosts file? There is a known_hosts file on the laptop and after
 it was deleted it recreated itself. Not so on the desktop. I deleted it and
 it didn't recreate itself. * This tells me that the each machine has at
 one time been both a client and a host.  it also confirms that the laptop
 was able to at least negotiate with the desktop and create a known_host
 file on the laptop to generate the key.



 *5- id_rsa and id_rsa.pub in ~/.ssh? Neither of those files exist.   *This
 tells me that public keys have not been generated for either machine
 (unless they were erased).  Not an issue you should be able to simply use
 host-key authentication.



 *6- authorized_keys? On neither of the boxes do I see the
 file  authorized_keys. So I suppose that means neither is a host.  *Not
 necessarily, Openssh has two different ways in which to authenticate; host
 keys which authenticate computers and identity keys which authenticate
 users.  Both use the same type of key (RSA or DSA) but the keys are stored
 in different locations (host keys are store in known_hosts and identity
 keys are stored in authorized_keys)



Openssh Authentication Overview
There are two ways to authenticate Openssh, through host-keys and identity
keys.  You only need to authenticate one method.

Method 1 - Host-key identification is the simplest because you don't have
to create the key.  it is created for you when you use ssh the first time.
Both machines talk to each other and generate the keys themselves.  This is
the key that is placed in known_hosts.  When authenticating, ssh uses this
key to authenticate the computer (not the user) you are trying to connect
to.  If the keys match (in Known_hosts) than you are given the login as
prompt to identify yourself.  This authentication type will always require
you to login as your username and password which is the username and
password on the remote box you are trying to connect to.

Method 2 - Identity-keys or Public Key Authentication is user based and
allows you log into multiple hosts with the same login or passphrase (that
is separate from your username and password).  You the user must generate
this key and then place it on both computers in the authorized_keys file
-- 

Since both key types require keys on both machines and the known_host file
is not reinitializing on the desktop, this tells me that the desktop is not
talking to the laptop.  This is consistent with the fact that you cannot
ping the laptop from the desktop.

James
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Re: OT: Android Dev Questions

My brother has 2 partners that started developing for the iphone.  Their
clients started screaming for Android versions within a year of the success
of their iphone apps, and they can't port fast enough.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Android is way to popular to disappear anytime soon. I know eclipse has
 some built in tools for android sdk and the new emulators help a ton. Mark
 covered allot but did not mention there are two ways to build an app one is
 more modular the other being more closely tied to hardware.

 But getting into the rom/mod community will get you some good contacts for
 android development and places to promote applications or find testers.
 On Jul 10, 2012 6:27 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Posted to PLUG, TFUG, AzPHP


  I wondering about trends. Currently I make my living as a LAMP
 developer. The market seems strong and lots of main stream apps are built
 with PHP. So I expect the market to continue to be strong for 10 – 15
 years. That is the time frame I am interested in.


  Things are moving rather fast now. Cheap hardware is now a reality. It
 looks like a smart phone has more CPU and RAM than the laptop I bought 10
 year ago, and the desktop I bought 7 year ago. I think I saw a smart phone
 that had a dual core 1.5ghtz processor and a gig of RAM. My first 2
 computers didn't even have hard drives..


  I'm intrigued by Android development. Seems there is really only one
 option and that is the Android SDK that is modified Java. I don't find Java
 to be intuitive, however I can live with it.


  My main question has to do with compatibility. A friend tells me he
 thinks there are comparability issues between manufactures since they
 modify Android to met their needs and the lack of standards. After
 exchanging emails, it sounds like writing Android code is like writing
 JavaScript that needs to run in all the currently available browsers. We
 have JavaScript solutions – MooTools, jQuery … etc. However in the short
 time I've been looking at Android development, I have not found any
 information on compatibility issues (however I have not search either).


  I have lots of questions.



1.

What is the life expectancy of Android? Will it be around 15 years
from now?
2.

How hard is it to upgrade a phone to a newer version of Android?
3.

Are there any compatibility issues?
4.

How does one monetize Android application development skills?
5.

Where can I find quality used Android phones?
6.

What device would you recommend I use to learn Android development –
Phone, Tablet, Simulator?


  Thank you so much for all your insight.




 
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Re: networking problem

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.comwrote:

  which direction and from what machine is it running.  Are you using rsync
 installed on the laptop to push and/or pull data to the desktop or the
 other way around?


The laptop can both pull and push the data. The desktop can do neither. T
issued command is:
rsync -vva --exclude=.*mozilla* --exclude=.*chromium* ~/
bmike2@192.168.0.3:/home/bmike2/;rsync
-vva --exclude=.*mozilla* --exclude=.*chromium*
bmike2@192.168.0.3:/home/bmike2/
~/


 Do you have a router or other gateway device port forwarding between the
 desktop and the laptop, any user set firwall settings in ufw you have added?

 Nothing  has been added to ufw and and my router is just the modem.

*3- Static IP addresses? I know I set them up as static when I first set it
 up and with each new install they didn't change so I never bothered making
 sure they were static again. It is bad of me but i  just assumed everything
 was cool.  *I would double check these first in /etc/network/interfaces
 for each system. Make sure you are using the right addresses.


So what do *I do*? Should I put the computers ip address in?.
This is what I did and then I restarted the service on the desktop. But
when I tried to restart it on the laptop:

bmike1@MikesLaptop:~$ sudo service ssh reload
ssh: unrecognized service
bmike1@MikesLaptop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
sudo: /etc/init.d/ssh: command not found
bmike1@MikesLaptop:~$

so this means ssh is not running on the laptop? Then why does it rsync only
from the laptop
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Re: Resize partition solution -and- problem.

2012-07-10 Thread Lisa Kachold

I would try the things in red in my post first.

You don't really want a dual boot box anyway.  Run XP in a Virtualbox?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:40 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

  Joe, I do not know that partitioning tool so I do not know for sure it
 can
  be trusted to safely shrink the ntfs partition on which your XP was
  running.  What should have happened if it did the right things is that
  when you next booted XP, the XP bootloader would note the change in the
  partition size and run chkdsk to check it out and then XP would load.
 
  So here are a couple of questions:
  1 - Did you reboot XP after resizing the partition but before installing
  kubuntu (not required but tell us so we know)

 No. I did not.  After the resize, I installed kubuntu

  2 - When you say the 5th GRUB menu item (XP) does not work, what do you
  mean.  In other words, what does and does not happen.  Is there any
 output
  such as error messages. or ...?

 No error messages.  I just see a blinking cursor at the top left of a
 black screen.

 So, I guess I'm sunk, as Lisa said. Just thought I would ask.

 Surely all of the Windows partition is still there intact since I did
 chkdsk and defrag (several times) before resizing, and the defrag
 process showed (graphically) that all data sectors were in less than
 half the hard drive.  And I made sure to resize considerably less than
 half the HD size. (only about 40%).



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Firewire support under VirtualBox

2012-07-10 Thread Kenn

I (almost always) agree. I have an M-Audio FireWire Solo recording interface. 
Basically an external sound card with balanced inputs  outputs and a higher 
sampling rate. Problem is, only Windows and Mac drivers are available and 
VirtualBox doesn't seem to have firewire support. 

Has anyone out there in linuxland tried this? 







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