Re: HP locking up

[Dazed_75]

Open the box again and check the cpu heat sink.  If it is not getting very
warm, it could be loose or poorly sealed with thermal material.  That could
make for intermittent heating problems.  You might have to remove and
remount the heat sink.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Derek Trotter wrote:

>
> On 11/09/2012 12:19 AM, Dazed_75 wrote:
>
> I don't see anything to give me any definite clues.  But here are a couple
> of questions that might yield a clue:
>
>1. Has this machine sat unused and not plugged in for any length of
>time (could be the CMOS battery is dead/dieing)?
>
>  I bought it in January and used it every day since then.  When it was a
> windows box, I would have it running for several days at a time doing my
> usenet harvesting.
>
>
>
>
>1. When the machine is locked up, can you do Ctrl-Alt-F2 and get a
>console (Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back to the GUI)?
>
>  I can't do anything with it.  I can't get to a console.  I can ping it
> when it's working normally, but when it locks up it doesn't respond to
> pings or anything else.  When it locks up it stops everything.  If I'm
> watching a movie on it when it locks up, the audio stops and the last frame
> is on the screen until I push the power button long enough for the machine
> to turn it off.   I have it and the other box plugged into a netgear
> router.  There's a light on the front of it for each computer that's
> plugged into it.  When I download using this machine, it's light on the
> router blinks.  When the machine locks up, it's light stops blinking.
>
> Also I opened it up and checked for dust bunnies.  There was a little
> dust, but not enough to cause any problems.  Today I opened a terminal and
> sensors -f.  I get results that vary between 40 and 60F.  I do believe I'm
> not getting an accurate reading because it's not that old in here.  Also I
> shut the machine down and checked the heat sink for the processor.  It
> wasn't even warm.
>
>
>
>1. What, exactly, do you mean by "locking up"?  More specifically, can
>you be sure that the machine is locked up or could it just be the display?
>One way to test that theory is to ssh into the machine from another machine
>and run some application that does updates like top or htop, or a looping
>script displaying the time every few seconds.  If the machine seems to lock
>up but the remote machine still shows ongoing changes, then it is not the
>whole machine locking up.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Derek Trotter 
> wrote:
>
>> I have an HP Pavillion p6-2003w pc.  This tinyurl
>> http://tinyurl.com/b36tanr takes you to a page at HP that will give you
>> details about what's in it if the following isn't enough.
>>
>> Motherboard
>> AAHD2-HY (Holly)
>>
>> Processor
>> AMD E2 3200 Processor
>>
>> Memory 4 GB
>> Speed: PC3-10600 MB/sec
>> Type: DDR3-1333
>>
>> Video graphics HD 6370D
>>
>> Sound/Audio Integrated Realtek ALC 656 Audio
>>
>> Networking
>> LAN: 1000-Base-T
>> Interface: PCI Express x1
>> Technology: Realtek RTL8111E gigabit ethernet controller
>>
>> Hard drive 1 TB
>>
>> CD/DVD disc drive SuperMulti DVD Burner drive
>>
>> Memory card reader 6-in-1 multimedia card reader
>>
>> Power Supply Internal 300W (100V-240V)
>>
>>
>> The problem is that it's been freezing at random.  It was really bad on
>> Kubuntu 12.0.4 64 bit.  It was like the bad old windows 3.1 days. I never
>> knew when it would lock up.  Sometimes it would run all night without any
>> problems.  Other times it would lock up a few minutes after I rebooted it
>> the last time it locked up.  Sometimes the image on the monitor would just
>> freeze.  Other times the monitor would go to a background of either blue or
>> gray with thin vertical lilnes.  I upgraded to Kubuntu 12.10 64 bit and it
>> was a little more reliable.  Once it locked up and when I rebooted it, the
>> sound card no longer worked.
>>
>> Is there some bug with this machine? Is there some problem with ubuntu?
>>  I'm wondering because last year my other computer behaved similarly. I
>> posted the problem to this list and someone told me my problem was a
>> defective nvidia card.  They made a bunch of chips that didn't get along
>> with something in windows versions after xp and versions of ubuntu after, I
>> believe 8.04.
>>
>> Any help will be apreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Derek
>>
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Re: HP locking up

[KevinO]

Have you tried running memtest86 on it for a while?

http://www.memtest86.com/

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Re: HP locking up

[Derek Trotter]

I just got the beast rebooted after doing so.  The progress indicator 
got to 44% when the bottom  of the screen turned red and numbers started 
scrolling so fast they were a blur.  So I'm guessing the several million 
errors it found before I rebooted it just might have something to do 
with it.  So I'll send off for another stick of RAM.  Then I'll use the 
old one as something to put on the keyring.


Thanks for the suggestions folks.

On 11/09/2012 04:30 AM, KevinO wrote:

Have you tried running memtest86 on it for a while?

http://www.memtest86.com/



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virus

[Michael Havens]

could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
that try to scam me?
:-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: virus

[Eric Oyen]

how about lets not and say we did. frankly, this is either silly  or a joke in 
very poor taste.  If you are being serious, then you deserve whatever you get. 

I spend entirely too much time trying to disinfect machines on account of 
clueless user actions. the pay is good, but I grow tired of having to have to 
educate these users time and again.

so, I ask that you PLEASE think about you are asking.

eric oyen (member of the Technomage Order of the Hawke)
On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

> could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves that 
> try to scam me?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: virus

[Stephen]

Not only is it a bad idea from the damage done, likely to people who
do not know better. but it is illegal.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> how about lets not and say we did. frankly, this is either silly  or a joke 
> in very poor taste.  If you are being serious, then you deserve whatever you 
> get.
>
> I spend entirely too much time trying to disinfect machines on account of 
> clueless user actions. the pay is good, but I grow tired of having to have to 
> educate these users time and again.
>
> so, I ask that you PLEASE think about you are asking.
>
> eric oyen (member of the Technomage Order of the Hawke)
> On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves that 
>> try to scam me?
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: virus

[Eric Shubert]

On 11/09/2012 05:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
that try to scam me?
:-)~MIKE~(-:




Not a prudent approach. What goes around comes around.

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Re: virus

[keith smith]

I think he was just blowing off some steam.  If so no harm no foul.



Keith Smith

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From: Eric Shubert 
Subject: Re: virus
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Friday, November 9, 2012, 8:18 AM

On 11/09/2012 05:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
> could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
> that try to scam me?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>

Not a prudent approach. What goes around comes around.

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Re: virus

[Kevin Fries]

Michael,

You are thinking far too one dimensionally.  What you really need is the
routing and account numbers for an account owned by Alcida.  Then let them
steal away.  Let the jerks explain how they illegally obtained this
information to Homeland Security.   Ha ha ha ha

I got your humor, guys ease up and stop taking thing so seriously.

Kevin
On Nov 9, 2012 5:54 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
> that try to scam me?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
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Spam control? (was RE: virus)

[Carruth, Rusty]

Some time back I thought the best solution would be to form a co-op.  Members 
of the co-op would run some sort of program to detect spammers, and then join 
together in a DOS attack on the spammer's MTA.  Detection should be pretty 
easy, I'd think, with minimal false positives.

When I thought of that, it wasn't illegal.  It is now, so I've dropped thinking 
about it, but it would have reduced the spam.  Of course, the collateral damage 
(to clueless users whose machines had been 0wn3d, as a minimum) would have been 
pretty high, and I'm not sure they would have been able to figure out why their 
systems broke down.  Probably would have required a pretty big education 
program, as it were, to get people to either (1) stop using the primary virus 
propagator of the universe (I am, of course, referring to a certain operating 
system); (2) get off the internet; or, (3) keep their virus scanners up to 
date.  Assuming, of course, that most spam comes from 0wn3d machines.  Not sure 
that's a valid assumption.

I've tried running that thing that keeps spammers busy trying to deliver the 
email (tarpit?  I cannot remember - the idea is you keep telling unknown MTAs 
'hold on a moment' for a while - say an hour or more, thus keeping their 
delivery rate low.  I should mention that at home I run my own MTA, so it was 
an option for me.  Anybody using their ISP's MTA (or gmail, or...) cannot do 
this).  The problem is that you need a LOT of people running that for it to do 
much good in spam reduction overall, and I don't' know if it reduced mine (but 
it was satisfying to look at the headers and see that couple of hour delay).  

I finally gave up and just kept changing my email address (and I also used the 
spam detector in my email program).

Rusty

 
> -Original Message-
> On 11/09/2012 05:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
> > could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the
> > thieves that try to scam me?
> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> 
> Not a prudent approach. What goes around comes around.
> 

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Re: Spam control? (was RE: virus)

[Stephen]

Rusty, how did tarpit and that delay time effect non spam users?

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Carruth, Rusty
 wrote:
> Some time back I thought the best solution would be to form a co-op.  Members 
> of the co-op would run some sort of program to detect spammers, and then join 
> together in a DOS attack on the spammer's MTA.  Detection should be pretty 
> easy, I'd think, with minimal false positives.
>
> When I thought of that, it wasn't illegal.  It is now, so I've dropped 
> thinking about it, but it would have reduced the spam.  Of course, the 
> collateral damage (to clueless users whose machines had been 0wn3d, as a 
> minimum) would have been pretty high, and I'm not sure they would have been 
> able to figure out why their systems broke down.  Probably would have 
> required a pretty big education program, as it were, to get people to either 
> (1) stop using the primary virus propagator of the universe (I am, of course, 
> referring to a certain operating system); (2) get off the internet; or, (3) 
> keep their virus scanners up to date.  Assuming, of course, that most spam 
> comes from 0wn3d machines.  Not sure that's a valid assumption.
>
> I've tried running that thing that keeps spammers busy trying to deliver the 
> email (tarpit?  I cannot remember - the idea is you keep telling unknown MTAs 
> 'hold on a moment' for a while - say an hour or more, thus keeping their 
> delivery rate low.  I should mention that at home I run my own MTA, so it was 
> an option for me.  Anybody using their ISP's MTA (or gmail, or...) cannot do 
> this).  The problem is that you need a LOT of people running that for it to 
> do much good in spam reduction overall, and I don't' know if it reduced mine 
> (but it was satisfying to look at the headers and see that couple of hour 
> delay).
>
> I finally gave up and just kept changing my email address (and I also used 
> the spam detector in my email program).
>
> Rusty
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> On 11/09/2012 05:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>> > could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the
>> > thieves that try to scam me?
>> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> Not a prudent approach. What goes around comes around.
>>
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RE: Spam control? (was RE: virus)

[Carruth, Rusty]

As I remember (but remember whose memory we are talking about :-) -

I had 3 lists - those known to be spammers, those known to be ok, and
anybody else.  (Ok, so the 'anybody else' wasn't actually a LIST, it was
anybody not in the first 2 lists)

Known spammers got some huge delay (I think I finally ended up with 24
hours!), known safe senders got zero delay, and unknown got a few
seconds (or maybe I made it zero, I don't remember).

So non spammers got either zero or minimal delay.

If I can remember, I'll see if I still have that config file somewhere,
cause now you got me curious!

I should mention that there IS one 'small' downside - if you get ALL
your internet sockets tied up with spammers then you cannot receive (or
send) email (or do anything else network-related until one of the
sockets frees up).  I don't think I ever hit that limit, but then I only
do email for my family...

Rusty

> -Original Message-
> 
> Rusty, how did tarpit and that delay time effect non spam users?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Carruth, Rusty
>  wrote:
> > 
> >
> > I've tried running that thing that keeps spammers busy trying to
> deliver the email (tarpit?  I cannot remember - the idea is you keep
> telling unknown MTAs 'hold on a moment' for a while - say an hour or
> more, thus keeping their delivery rate low.  I should mention that at
> home I run my own MTA, so it was an option for me.  Anybody using
their
> ISP's MTA (or gmail, or...) cannot do this).  The problem is that you
> need a LOT of people running that for it to do much good in spam
> reduction overall, and I don't' know if it reduced mine (but it was
> satisfying to look at the headers and see that couple of hour delay).
> ...

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Wascally Widget

[Wayne Davis]

Kubuntu 12.10

I installed a  timer widget from the widget download link.  "TIMER" by 
Davide Bettio


I cannot UNINSTALL it. there is no uninstall button.   Arrrgghh


I did search the web, and found similar instructions. but they do not 
pertain to 12.10 were not 'close enough' to provide a solution.


So, the question is:   How can I manually whack it from my 12.10 system?

TIA
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Re: virus

[Michael Havens]

Well... back in 96 (before I ran linux) someone sent me a 'game'. I opened
the 'game' and my computer locked up and had to be restored. That is
actually what I wanted :) Also, I would never send it to a US based scammer.

How do I discover where 'phx.gbl'. traceroute gets to 10 hops then gives me:

   * * *

the last 'real' return I get is:

   10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.peer1.net (216.187.124.129)  153.151 ms
 153.577 ms
  154.080 ms

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Kevin Fries  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> You are thinking far too one dimensionally.  What you really need is the
> routing and account numbers for an account owned by Alcida.  Then let them
> steal away.  Let the jerks explain how they illegally obtained this
> information to Homeland Security.   Ha ha ha ha
>
> I got your humor, guys ease up and stop taking thing so seriously.
>
> Kevin
> On Nov 9, 2012 5:54 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>
>> could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
>> that try to scam me?
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
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Ubuntu Usage

[Lyle Tuttle]

http://gigaom.com/europe/podio-sees-surprisingly-high-ubuntu-numbers-delivers-one-integration/?utm_source=General+Users&utm_campaign=dc63652193-c%3Amob%2Ctec%2Cvid%2Ccld+d%3A11-09&utm_medium=email



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Re: virus

[Bob Elzer]

I too read frustration and sarcasm in his post

It did remind me of one linux operator that got tired of rogue machines 
probing his linux box trying to infect it with windows exploits. One in 
particular, that I can't remember now.


He wrote a script that targeted that particular exploit and would infect 
the machine attacking him and actually clean the exploit off the 
infected machine and then remove itself.


Even so, it was illegal for him to do that, but I do wish someone would 
allow this kind of script to clean up all the infected machines.



On 11/9/2012 8:27 AM, keith smith wrote:


I think he was just blowing off some steam.  If so no harm no foul.


Keith Smith

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From: Eric Shubert 
Subject: Re: virus
To: "Main PLUG discussion list"

Date: Friday, November 9, 2012, 8:18 AM

On 11/09/2012 05:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
> could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the
thieves
> that try to scam me?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>

Not a prudent approach. What goes around comes around.

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Re: virus

[Lisa Kachold]

Hello All!

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Bob Elzer  wrote:

>  I too read frustration and sarcasm in his post
>
> It did remind me of one linux operator that got tired of rogue machines
> probing his linux box trying to infect it with windows exploits. One in
> particular, that I can't remember now.
>
> He wrote a script that targeted that particular exploit and would infect
> the machine attacking him and actually clean the exploit off the infected
> machine and then remove itself.
>
> Even so, it was illegal for him to do that, but I do wish someone would
> allow this kind of script to clean up all the infected machines.
>

That's an interesting response, however fraught with consequences.

First year computer science students are often asked, as flow charting
exercise, to model "ethics" in society.  Golden Rule, Turn the Other Cheek,
Hit Back with a Bigger Hammer, are all modeled into a virtual society.
 Interestingly in this exercise, which do you think was found to be most
successful?

Yes, it is "Hit Back with a Bigger Hammer"

Of course, the only part that was not modeled was the consequences of the
law, assuming that if there was no law available to resolve the problem,
there would be no consequences.

There are things that can be done with regards to various types of scammers:

1) These scams can be reported to various authorities:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/global-resorts-network.aspx

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/FBI_LocalOffices.php

2) Tracking via cookies

Setting tracking cookies in response email can provide additional
information related to the end source.   Many people will be surprised to
learn they are actually originating in the US but hopscotching to other
countries to reduce the chances of their arrest.

3) Depending on the scam, scam the scammers (aka scambaiting):

http://www.troyhunt.com/2012/02/scamming-scammers-catching-virus-call.html

http://www.419eater.com/

There are various discussions of how to straddle that thin grey line
between joining the criminal and staying in the solution.



>
> On 11/9/2012 8:27 AM, keith smith wrote:
>
>
> I think he was just blowing off some steam.  If so no harm no foul.
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Fri, 11/9/12, Eric Shubert  *wrote:
>
>
> From: Eric Shubert  
> Subject: Re: virus
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> 
> Date: Friday, November 9, 2012, 8:18 AM
>
> On 11/09/2012 05:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
> > could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
> > that try to scam me?
> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >
> >
>
> Not a prudent approach. What goes around comes around.
>
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November HackFest Saturday @ DeVry Phoenix 11AM - 2PM

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We have a great Hackfest for you this Saturday at DeVry University in
Phoenix from 11AM -2PM.

Scott Becerra and a behind the scenes contributer named Ruben, have built
up a very holy system for our edification and elucidation!
Ruben is an awesome pen tester; he's discovered several vulnerabilities and
has contributed to the metasploit project.
You can check out his website at http://www.thehackerin.me/

You can also check out Scott's site at
:http://www.thriftstorehacker.**com/

The first half of the meeting will be pen-testing; where we assist everyone
to do recon and investigation, use tools and evaluate the target.

The last half of the meeting we walk through the process of discovery and
exploitation to help those that may still be stuck. Our goal is to design
it so that there are easy, medium and more difficult flags and any needed
tools are already included with Backtrack5r3.

We have a good number of flags, easily won with Backtrack5r3 DVD live disks
you can pickup and use in the lab machines.

We have ready willing and able team members ready to jump in and assist you
in your attack(s).

We also have room for Open Discussion, Spectators, and those who want to
watch or copy various DefCon 20 materials.

We have resurrected the Dummy Drills - Answer a (hard) question (from David
Demland - Adjutant Professor) (or capture a flag) and get an "Anatomy of a
Linux Hacker" Tee shirt FREE.

https://it-clowns.com/c/index.php/hackfests

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Re: virus

[Michael Havens]

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> how about lets not and say we did. frankly, this is either silly  or a
> joke in very poor taste.  If you are being serious, then you deserve
> whatever you get.
>
> I spend entirely too much time trying to disinfect machines on account of
> clueless user actions. the pay is good, but I grow tired of having to have
> to educate these users time and again.
>
> so, I ask that you PLEASE think about you are asking.
>
> eric oyen (member of the Technomage Order of the Hawke)
> On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
> > could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves
> that try to scam me?
> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: Spam control? (was RE: virus)

[Derek Trotter]

I don't remember the url, but a few years ago I found a site that had an 
interesting  idea to fight those who try to con people into handing over 
account information.  If you got one of these scam emaills, you would 
submit the url the phishers included.  Their system would generate 
random strings of text and submit these to the phishing site over and 
over again. The result being the phishers would have lots of bogus 
account data and would waste their time trying it.


On 11/09/2012 08:51 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:

As I remember (but remember whose memory we are talking about :-) -

I had 3 lists - those known to be spammers, those known to be ok, and
anybody else.  (Ok, so the 'anybody else' wasn't actually a LIST, it was
anybody not in the first 2 lists)

Known spammers got some huge delay (I think I finally ended up with 24
hours!), known safe senders got zero delay, and unknown got a few
seconds (or maybe I made it zero, I don't remember).

So non spammers got either zero or minimal delay.

If I can remember, I'll see if I still have that config file somewhere,
cause now you got me curious!

I should mention that there IS one 'small' downside - if you get ALL
your internet sockets tied up with spammers then you cannot receive (or
send) email (or do anything else network-related until one of the
sockets frees up).  I don't think I ever hit that limit, but then I only
do email for my family...

Rusty


-Original Message-

Rusty, how did tarpit and that delay time effect non spam users?

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Carruth, Rusty
 wrote:



I've tried running that thing that keeps spammers busy trying to

deliver the email (tarpit?  I cannot remember - the idea is you keep
telling unknown MTAs 'hold on a moment' for a while - say an hour or
more, thus keeping their delivery rate low.  I should mention that at
home I run my own MTA, so it was an option for me.  Anybody using

their

ISP's MTA (or gmail, or...) cannot do this).  The problem is that you
need a LOT of people running that for it to do much good in spam
reduction overall, and I don't' know if it reduced mine (but it was
satisfying to look at the headers and see that couple of hour delay).
...

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PLUG Hackfest Saturday 11AM-2PM 11/10/2012 DeVry Phoenix

[Lisa Kachold]

We have a great Hackfest for you this Saturday at DeVry University in
Phoenix from 11AM -2PM.

Scott Becerra and a behind the scenes contributer named Ruben, have built
up a very holy system for our edification and elucidation!
Ruben is an awesome pen tester; he's discovered several vulnerabilities and
has contributed to the metasploit project.
You can check out his website at http://www.thehackerin.me/

You can also check out Scott's site at
:http://www.thriftstorehacker.**com/

The first half of the meeting will be pen-testing; where we assist everyone
to do recon and investigation, use tools and evaluate the target.

The last half of the meeting we walk through the process of discovery and
exploitation to help those that may still be stuck. Our goal is to design
it so that there are easy, medium and more difficult flags and any needed
tools are already included with Backtrack5r3.

We have a good number of flags, easily won with Backtrack5r3 DVD live disks
you can pickup and use in the lab machines.

We have ready willing and able team members ready to jump in and assist you
in your attack(s).

We also have room for Open Discussion, Spectators, and those who want to
watch or copy various DefCon 20 materials.

We have resurrected the Dummy Drills - Answer a (hard) question (from David
Demland - Adjutant Professor) (or capture a flag) and get an "Anatomy of a
Linux Hacker" Tee shirt FREE.

https://it-clowns.com/c/index.php/hackfests

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