Re: virus
I too read frustration and sarcasm in his post It did remind me of one linux operator that got tired of rogue machines probing his linux box trying to infect it with windows exploits. One in particular, that I can't remember now. He wrote a script that targeted that particular exploit and would infect the machine attacking him and actually clean the exploit off the infected machine and then remove itself. Even so, it was illegal for him to do that, but I do wish someone would allow this kind of script to clean up all the infected machines. On 11/9/2012 8:27 AM, keith smith wrote: I think he was just blowing off some steam. If so no harm no foul. Keith Smith --- On *Fri, 11/9/12, Eric Shubert /e...@shubes.net/* wrote: From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net Subject: Re: virus To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, November 9, 2012, 8:18 AM On 11/09/2012 05:54 AM, Michael Havens wrote: could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves that try to scam me? :-)~MIKE~(-: Not a prudent approach. What goes around comes around. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us /mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot- who do I forward unwanted emails to?
My idea was Cliff Claven lol On 10/28/2012 6:59 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: Try presid...@whitehouse.gov. :-) On 10/28/2012 3:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I am receiving an inordinate amount of spam lately. Whom should I forward it to to get them to follow the law about spam? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Google Voice question.
Why not transfer you long established number to google voice, then you could take advantage of all the features On 9/13/2012 5:46 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I think you misunderstand what Google Voice is. Is it wrong of me to want to use the many good features of Google Voice that I very much appreciate in the way that I want to use it (and keeping my 20-year established and widely published land line number as my primary, ring-first number)? I do not want to go through the nuisance and annoyance of changing my primary, published telephone number everywhere. 1) It is NOT voicemail. It has voicemail, but it's intended to function opposite to a voicemail service. To each his own. 2) People should be calling your Google Voice number directly; it then forwards to (rings) one or more actual phones (home phone, cellphone, gmail, etc...) and redirects to voicemail if you don't pick up. That is just not what I need or want. The idea is that you give everyone your Google Voice number, but not your home or cell number(s). Then you can change home or cell service without impact to people who want to call you. Again, that is not what I need or want. You also gain control options, such as setting some callers to only ring through on weekdays, or setting some callers to ring the home phone but not the cellphone. Again, that is not what I need or want. So the reason it doesn't work the way you want is that your concept has it behind your normal phone; it's actually the reverse in that your normal phone is *behind* Google Voice. Again, I just want my normal land-line phone to be my primary telephone and my primary telephone number. Is it wrong to want that and to want to use Google Voice in the way I want and need to use it? I have two different Google Voice numbers for two different applications, one personal and one business. For the business application, *all* calls to my toll free number are forwarded instantly and directly to my business Google Voice number and I need that number answered by voice mail on the *first ring* because that toll free number is *never* answered live and the 25 second (five+ ring) delay is a serious detriment. All calls *must* be recorded for my business application and the transcribing that Google Voice does for those calls is extremely valuable. The 25-second five-ring delay is extremely detrimental. Judging from the many posts on the 'net on this same subject, many, many other people have the same need that I have. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: What's the best high speed internet option?
I have Virgin mobile no contract, I signed up and still have the $25 rate which has now been changed to $35 You get 300 minutest a month and unlimited web/data/email which they call unlimited=2.5GB was 5 then 3 I never use that much, so I am very happy, but they do have a 1200minute for $45 and Unlimited minutes for $55 On 5/10/2012 5:04 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: . What's the best high speed internet option? I currently have Qwest/Century-Link DSL with my home phone land line, and no internet with my little-used, pay-as-you-go cell phone, or for my laptop and tablet other than wireless whenever we travel and find a connection. So, what other options might be good to consider? i.e. is there a viable, cost-effective mobile hot-spot internet alternative for multiple devices that I could use both at home and on the go? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss . --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: What's the best high speed internet option?
If you reach 2.5GB of data in a month, you will receive a text message letting you know your data speeds will be reduced for the rest of your plan month. You can check how much data you've used at any time during the month by logging in to your account I believe most if not all carriers define what unlimited is. you can check out the info here http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phone-plans/beyond-talk-plans.jsp# I do not like to pay ungodly amounts for a phone I don't use that much for talking. Since I've got this play a year and a half ago, I mostly use the web on it, I've never gone over my minutes or the data. Obviously your mileage may vary. As far as I know it is the cheapest plan around for that much data. On 5/11/2012 12:13 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: Huh? Unlimited is 2.5GB??? What happens when you try to use 2.5GB + 1K? If it fails then that's not unlimited, IMHO! -Original Message- I have Virgin mobile no contract, I signed up and still have the $25 rate which has now been changed to $35 You get 300 minutes a month and unlimited web/data/email which they call unlimited=2.5GB was 5 then 3 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Introductions and Current Status
$2500 for a floppy drive, kind of makes me feel better for spending $5000 for a 386 with a whopping 320MB hard drive LOL!!! On 11/15/2011 11:27 AM, Dazed_75 wrote: ROFL !!! I got my start in High School when the National Science Foundation decided to start a revolutionary thing called Computer Math for secondary schools. We started by learning how to do math in binary and then progressed to binary logic. By the middle of the 1st year we were writing Fortran IV for the Univac (?) 1600 at the university. We wrote code on coding paper, our teacher would take it to the University where some poor schmuck would keypunch it into IBM cards while the teacher learned what to teach us the next week. It was maybe 7 years later I got my first computer. A Technical Design Labs Xitan Z80 kit with 8 KB memory and front panel switches and light for I/O. You would write little programs on paper and enter each byte into memory with the switches and HOPE you made no errors! It did come with BASIC on a paper tape, but you had to build the paper tape reader which I never did. I converted a TV into a monitor and bought a surplus keyboard. They announced a way to convert an audio cassette player/recorder into mass storage and you could get an assembler and BASIC on audio tapes. You had to enter an IPL program via the switches in order to load from the tape. But after that is was fun and mostly easy to write extensions to BIOS for the tape and burn a new BIOS EEPROM that understood how to use the tape. It was the cat's meow when I moved up to 64 KB of RAM and I thought I was in 7th heaven when I bought dual 8 double sided double density floppy drives for $2500. I tried to add a 10 MB hard drive a couple of years later, but never got it to work. I never did find out if the problem was the drive, the controller, or the BIOS extension I was writing. Now that all sounds very primitive to you all, but I did the billing for my employer on that system and that was around $1 million per month where the units of billing averaged one cent each (though a LOT of them). Some years later I bought the very first IBM AT to be delivered to Denver. I do not remember when I first tried Linux. I just remember it was a very early Red Hat and I spent maybe a month of evenings trying to get it to work. So believe me when I tell you that ALL distributions work well compared to those days! -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: I need an off-the-shelf ssh-able live CD, do I need to create it?
I'm pretty sure the universe is not a closed environment, I'm not sure about that different galaxy, but this galaxy is not closed either : _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dazed_75 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:55 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: I need an off-the-shelf ssh-able live CD, do I need to create it? I do believe you would have to re-master something and given that, you could re-master whatever you wanted. I very strongly doubt such a LiveCD is available unless produced by someone with malicious intent or purely for such unguessable research purpose. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Hello there... I need a live CD (preferably non GUI) that starts an SSH server on boot. It has to provide also a known username/Password combination to login. (No, security is not a concern, it's a closed environment) This is the (simplified) scenario: 1.- someone in the Universe turns on a machine with a bootable CD on it. 2.- On a different galaxy, I figure out the IP address and type: ssh userThatTheCDtoldMe@IPaddressIknow And (PUFF!), I am in. Does it exist? Do I have to get my preferred choice (Debian) and remaster an iso? (I will only need the ISO) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug. mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az. http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Need Help Cloning a Drive
Is it my browser or is it your blog dim gray text on a dark gray background ? I can't see the thing to read it ! Sorry -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Need Help Cloning a Drive now im at a computer i did a brief blog post about your very situation. http://cryptworksapps.blogspot.com/2011/06/doing-rude-horrible-and-wonderful .html clonezilla to clone the drive, and gparted LiveCD to adjust the partition sizes. On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly I suggest clonezilla for this. It will get everything windows Linux grub etc. On Jul 17, 2011 7:48 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I purchased a larger hard drive (~750 GB)) for my laptop and want to clone my current laptop drive (~320 GB) to the new one. The new drive is connected to the laptop via usb - I can mount it and read/write to it. This is what I did, but it didn't seem to work out... 1. Boot laptop using latest Knoppix 2. umount both /dev/sda(old drive, internal to laptop) and /dev/sdb (new drive connected via usb) 3. I was going to use dd, but read that dd_rescue is a little better (read error handling, reporting progress), so I installed that and fired it iup knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ sudo ddrescue -f -n /dev/sda /dev/sdb Press Ctrl-C to interrupt rescued: 320072 MB, errsize: 0 B, current rate: 29753 kB/s ipos: 320072 MB, errors: 0, average rate: 29513 kB/s opos: 320072 MB, time from last successful read: 0 s Finished 4. I thought, time to use gparted to expand the Linux partition for my new drive to the full size, and install the new drive.but wait, there are problems! knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 5 40131 de Dell Utility /dev/sda2 * 6 1918 1536 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 1918 7017 40963092+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda4 7018 38913 256204620 5 Extended /dev/sda5 * 7018 37615 245778403+ 83 Linux /dev/sda6 37616 38913 10426153+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris Note: sector size is 4096 (not 512) Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5 Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5 Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5 Warning: invalid flag 0xbfbb of partition table 5 will be corrected by w(rite) Disk /dev/sdb: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 11400 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 4096 = 65802240 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 1 5 321048 de Dell Utility Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary. /dev/sdb2 * 6 1918 12288 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sdb3 1918 7017 327704740 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sdb4 7018 38913 2049636960 5 Extended Partition 4 does not start on physical sector boundary. /dev/sdb5 ? 82628 130208 3057478824 48 Unknown knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ It appears that dd-rescue did what I expected it to docopied sda to sdb bit by bit. I am not sure what the warnings are for sda, but it looks like dd_rescue did what it was supposed to do. However, What do I do about the errors on sdb? GParted does not recognize the partition table for sdb, and reports 698 GB of unallocated space. Thanks for any suggestions you may have to solve/explain what is going on! Mark -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Need Help Cloning a Drive
Ahhh, much better, my eyes thank you :) _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 8:36 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: Need Help Cloning a Drive Just saw that. Oops. Try again. On Jul 17, 2011 8:33 AM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Is it my browser or is it your blog dim gray text on a dark gray background ? I can't see the thing to read it ! Sorry -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Need Help Cloning a Drive now im at a computer i did a brief blog post about your very situation. http://cryptworksapps.blogspot.com/2011/06/doing-rude-horrible-and-wonderful .html clonezilla to clone the drive, and gparted LiveCD to adjust the partition sizes. On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly I suggest clonezilla for this. It will get everything windows Linux grub etc. On Jul 17, 2011 7:48 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I purchased a larger hard drive (~750 GB)) for my laptop and want to clone my current laptop drive (~320 GB) to the new one. The new drive is connected to the laptop via usb - I can mount it and read/write to it. This is what I did, but it didn't seem to work out... 1. Boot laptop using latest Knoppix 2. umount both /dev/sda(old drive, internal to laptop) and /dev/sdb (new drive connected via usb) 3. I was going to use dd, but read that dd_rescue is a little better (read error handling, reporting progress), so I installed that and fired it iup knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ sudo ddrescue -f -n /dev/sda /dev/sdb Press Ctrl-C to interrupt rescued: 320072 MB, errsize: 0 B, current rate: 29753 kB/s ipos: 320072 MB, errors: 0, average rate: 29513 kB/s opos: 320072 MB, time from last successful read: 0 s Finished 4. I thought, time to use gparted to expand the Linux partition for my new drive to the full size, and install the new drive.but wait, there are problems! knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 5 40131 de Dell Utility /dev/sda2 * 6 1918 1536 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 1918 7017 40963092+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda4 7018 38913 256204620 5 Extended /dev/sda5 * 7018 37615 245778403+ 83 Linux /dev/sda6 37616 38913 10426153+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris Note: sector size is 4096 (not 512) Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5 Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5 Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5 Warning: invalid flag 0xbfbb of partition table 5 will be corrected by w(rite) Disk /dev/sdb: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 11400 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 4096 = 65802240 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disk identifier: 0x81d6785f Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 1 5 321048 de Dell Utility Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary. /dev/sdb2 * 6 1918 12288 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sdb3 1918 7017 327704740 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sdb4 7018 38913 2049636960 5 Extended Partition 4 does not start on physical sector boundary. /dev/sdb5 ? 82628 130208 3057478824 48 Unknown knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ It appears that dd-rescue did what I expected it to docopied sda to sdb bit by bit. I am not sure what the warnings are for sda, but it looks like dd_rescue did what it was supposed to do. However, What do I do about the errors on sdb? GParted does not recognize the partition table for sdb, and reports 698 GB of unallocated space. Thanks for any suggestions you may have to solve/explain what is going on! Mark -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss
RE: Looking for Ideas to facilitate group communication on the road
Have you thought of getting a google voice number, and adding everyone's cell phone number to it, but just use the number for texting that way one text would go to all phones. There may be some issues to work out, but it might work _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:32 PM To: Phoenix Linux Users Subject: Looking for Ideas to facilitate group communication on the road This group always has great suggestions for my odd requirements, so here I go again;-) My two club softball teams are going to out of town for nationals at the end of June (~26 families). (We might even make ESPN...) We need a way to send messages to each other, and as a group. Up to this point, I have been running a private group email list that everyone can use to send and receive emails for the group. But not everyone has Internet or email on their phone, so the group email list is not the best option for everyone. My android phone can send a text message to a group, so I can handle the issue of schedule changes. But, not everyone's phone on the two teams can send a group text, which makes those impromptu 'team lunch' difficult for someone in the group to schedule, unless I become the group sms operator, which is **not** something I want to do! I am wondering if there is some open source technology that can help us My requirements 1. Send sms to a whole group, part of a group, or individually 2. Work on low end cell phones - ie no Internet plan or email 3. Does not require a lot of setup, either for me or for each person going. The people on the trip are not techies, but parents of 11-15 year old softball players (and the players as well). 4. Free, or really low cost as I only need it for ~10 days. I have a Debian server on Linode for our web site, so I could add some more software I thought of these ideas: 1. pass out a cell phone list to everyone. That solves individual sms messages, but not group/sub group messaging for those who don't have that on their phone 2. twitter - maybe a private group? I have not used twitter before, but I will have challenges getting everyone to sign up for an account. 3. some other sms micro-blog app on my own server? 4. Face to face communication.how old fashion! 5. Phone trees..from my experience, only works in an emergency. I am focused on sms only because it seems to be available to every player and parent on the trip. I am open to any other suggestions y'all may have! Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts
I would think it does, but I would check the sprint coverage map, since virgin mobile uses the sprint network -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike enriquez Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:25 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts Thank Bob, I like the price of your service! Do you know if your Virgin Mobile phone works in the Flagstaff area. I spent a few days a month up there and I also need a phone that works in the Sedona and Flagstaff area? Which phone did you get by the way? Thanks again. Mike Enriquez On 03/07/2011 10:02 PM, Bob Elzer wrote: I agree with the others I recently got an android phone and it syncs with google mail and google voice I exported my contacts from outlook and added them into google mail and all was great The android can even use google voice, so all my calls look like they are coming from that number. Incidentally I got a great deal from Virgin Mobile, $25/month for 300 talk minutes + unlimited data/sms/email The only thing I found virgin mobile can't do is forward calls. (they use the sprint network) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike enriquez Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:57 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts Does anyone on the list know if any of the cell phones out there have contact managers that will work with a computer contact manager. It seems like every time, I change cell phones I cannot carry my contacts to my new cell phone. Linux contact managers are fine or I can also try those other guy in Redmond. Thanks Mike Enriquez --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts
I have the samsung intercept it has the 800mhz cpu, I think the other is 500mhz I am very pleased with it. But I always want more cpu and more memory :P I keep finding more apps that I like. BTW, the virgin mobile intercept will get the update to froyo 2.2 sometime at the end of this month _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike enriquez Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:03 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts Thanks for the information, I looked at the Virgin Mobile and they have two android phones, which phone do you use or which phone does anyone have any experience/information on it? Thanks everyone! Mike Enriquez On 03/09/2011 10:57 AM, Nathan England wrote: Virgin Mobile, to the best of my knowledge, uses Sprint in all of Arizona. Last time I was in Flagstaff with my android it was working great! On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:24 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: Thank Bob, I like the price of your service! Do you know if your Virgin Mobile phone works in the Flagstaff area. I spent a few days a month up there and I also need a phone that works in the Sedona and Flagstaff area? Which phone did you get by the way? Thanks again. Mike Enriquez On 03/07/2011 10:02 PM, Bob Elzer wrote: I agree with the others I recently got an android phone and it syncs with google mail and google voice I exported my contacts from outlook and added them into google mail and all was great The android can even use google voice, so all my calls look like they are coming from that number. Incidentally I got a great deal from Virgin Mobile, $25/month for 300 talk minutes + unlimited data/sms/email The only thing I found virgin mobile can't do is forward calls. (they use the sprint network) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike enriquez Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:57 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts Does anyone on the list know if any of the cell phones out there have contact managers that will work with a computer contact manager. It seems like every time, I change cell phones I cannot carry my contacts to my new cell phone. Linux contact managers are fine or I can also try those other guy in Redmond. Thanks Mike Enriquez --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- ~~ Nathan England I believe in the Constitution and the 4th Amendment. I am innocent and have nothing to hide, but NO agent of the state crosses my threshhold without a valid warrant signed by a judge and properly submitted. If we fail to exercise our rights, we lose them. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts
I agree with the others I recently got an android phone and it syncs with google mail and google voice I exported my contacts from outlook and added them into google mail and all was great The android can even use google voice, so all my calls look like they are coming from that number. Incidentally I got a great deal from Virgin Mobile, $25/month for 300 talk minutes + unlimited data/sms/email The only thing I found virgin mobile can't do is forward calls. (they use the sprint network) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike enriquez Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:57 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: O.T. Cell Phone Contacts Does anyone on the list know if any of the cell phones out there have contact managers that will work with a computer contact manager. It seems like every time, I change cell phones I cannot carry my contacts to my new cell phone. Linux contact managers are fine or I can also try those other guy in Redmond. Thanks Mike Enriquez --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: [OT] android phone, possible to get a good deal?
I'm on net10 myself, but I only use the phone, no data This looks pretty good They have unlimited everything for $60 http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Index.aspx You can find any number of unlocked phones listed. Anyone else have this carrier ?? I'd like to hear how it works for them _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of M Hoy Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:05 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: [OT] android phone, possible to get a good deal? Sorry for the off topic post but you guys/gals have opinions that actually matter to me as opposed to any other source I know of. I have decided I want to get a android phone and I've noticed that no matter how hard I try I can't get straight answers from phone reps/store reps for carriers. What I want: A smart phone running droid2.2 and a hardware keyboard on a month to month service plan. I'm more than happy to pay full price for a phone but it is inconceivable to me that I should obligate myself to a provider. Seems like the contract only serves them. So I will pay the money for the right phone but I'm having trouble finding a good carrier. I talked with a store rep at verizon (spectrum mall) and he says he can activate it and it will cost me around 108 a month for a month to month plan 900 minutes 10c per text. Is that the best deal I can hope to find? I cannot handle talking with these salesman anymore. They are worse than car salesman. Any help appreciated. If I can't find a good deal I'm going prepaid or something. -- Mike Hoy --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: How to report Internet Abuse
If you block it with apache, the offending machine can still see you computer is available through other means. (I.E. you may run an smtp server, or ftp, or ssh, etc) If you block it with your firewall software (iptables), the offending machine will not get any response from your server, effectively making it think your server has gone away. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Shawn Badger Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:42 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: How to report Internet Abuse What about adding the ip into the /etc/hosts.deny fie? I don't know if Apache uses TCP wrappers, but if it does then this would be an easy solution. I think the best solution is to use iptables though, because you should really already be running it on anything that is public facing. Just my thoughts though. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Jason Holtzapple m...@bitflip.net wrote: On 07/26/2010 12:10 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: I have a server running a school newspaper site. I keep getting hit from a server in Belgrade with a bad request, which creates an error and causes my database to grow by 1MB/hit. I am trying to track down the bug in the database, so my question is really about getting the guy to stop hitting my server with this request. The IP for the request is 212.95.54.48, and I think it is a spider as I get other requests from this IP for my site map, contacts page, etc. I looked up the IP and I got this from Whois: ... What is the best way to handle this? Send an email to ab...@inferno.name mailto:ab...@inferno.name, or am I just inviting more abuse? Is there a way for apache to block these addresses before it hits my site (apache is in front of a plone/zope combination)? I have a robots.txt file at the root of my site... You can block this at your gateway router, your server's firewall (iptables), or in apache's configuration file. See the Allow and Deny directives: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authz_host.html Personally, I've never had much luck with abuse addresses except with large reputable companies. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: home dir to usb thx some OT (long)
Grandma's on Linux. How cool is that. You go girl -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of betty Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:22 PM To: kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.com; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: home dir to usb thx some OT (long) thank you kurt, et al, for the kind words of help, support. kurt , you did a good job of walking me through the precise way to copy the home dir to usb, and the reasons to use the different commands. I am copying it to the usb so that after a fresh install of ubuntu 8.04lts on a new computer i can use my same home dir settings, never did that before. When i get that far i guess i need to ask, ? where do i install it to I have been on this list since 2000, i think. i am a grandma, a nurse. i started w/redhat years ago and always found the list people to be helpful since i am really only a gui user. But whenever i talk to someone about computers, i try to convince them that open source is the way to go and the way of the future. I try to preface my requests for help here with saying what i don't know, since almost everyone knows more than me on this list; that way people will be nice and give me careful advice, like you did. Sometimes it starts a list argument to ask a question about the way to perform something; like the dd vs, cp vs rsync and since i didn't know the in's and out's of each one it was impossible to decide who's answer was best for my situation. I think if i gave most members here an i.v. start kit and a delivery kit and had to tell them how to start the i.v. on a laboring mom, then deliver the baby, they would appreciate having more detail to attention and social 'handholding' through the procedure. (the patient would appreciate it too!) Linux is really the best thing out there, not expensive like apple and not nasty and bulky like M$. I like being a gui user because it shows that people outside the tech community can be users too, and isn't that what we want? (or is it [rhetorical]) ... just my thoughts. btw, what happened to der.hans?? he was always a promoter of helpful answers to even stupid questions. -- betty i. www.webcanine.com information for people who care for dogs. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: In need of Linux computer
I need a million dollars. I won't hold my breath LOL _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike havens Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:16 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: In need of Linux computer Thanks to the Gentlemen who were gracious enough to give me equipment. This list is great, if anyone has a need it will be fulfilled; all you need to do is ask. The guy giving me a monitor has 4 others available to give away all you need to do is ask. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all; as you may know I am trapped in the world of windows at the moment but would like to break free of the M$ shackles. Would anyone happen to have a computer on which Linux will work they would be willing to part with? It can be a Windows 98 box for all I care! I gave my b rother a ride home today and he gave me his non working computer. So I brought it home and plugged it in. Nothing! No post... no beep... not even the flicker of a light indicating life. I'm thinking that it could be the power supply (he was having power surges) but it might be the 'soft switch' (this computer is from '99). If it might be power supply and someone has one could I test out my theory? specs: compaq power supply part number: 124892-001 input= 115V~/9A, 230V~/5A output= +5V===/22A, +3.3V===/14A -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: west side mtg?
You trademarked the word remember ? lol -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:47 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: west side mtg? On Sat 19 December 2009 9:02:19 pm Lyle Tuttle wrote: I can't seem to get reply or contact with whoever does the calendar to advise them.?? I just rememberedT that I have admin on the drupal. let me do that for ya. -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer New Mail address: phrkonale...@gmail.com - r...@n.rix.si !! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Burning Mp3 Music files to cd in linux?
You also need to look at your radio and it's capabilities. If it's an older model, it probably just plays Music CD's (they you have to burn in the Music CD format) If it's a newer model and even possibly has a usb connector, then you can probably burn a data cd with all your songs (Lots more than a mucis CD) You still have to read the docs on the radio, sometimes there is a limit to how many file in a directory, and the filename size. Hope this helps. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dazed_75 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:47 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Burning Mp3 Music files to cd in linux? On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Stu wie...@cox.net wrote: Hi Mike, As for the hardware, the drive itself, just about any will work, but definitely READ THE BOX that it comes in! Some of the newer CD/DVD drives come with a security feature built into them that limits how you can burn disks. I've never bought one personally to try it out because the mere mention of any sort of built-in DRM security scares me off, and they have a bunch of them on sale at the Phoenix FRY's Electronics right now. I've had good luck with all the ones I bought from Geeks.com and Newegg.com, (usually LG brand). Stu, Can you give any more info about what to look for on the box or any specific make/models that have that feature? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: File size reduction in Linux?
Or do you just need to split them apart to get them transferred and then put them back together ?? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Matt Graham Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:53 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: File size reduction in Linux? From: mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net I have a problem. I need to reduce my video files to from 40MB to about 5-10 MB. My service provider says my files are too large and blocks them. So I wonder if anyone has had this problem. Has anyone in the Linux community encounter this before? Nope. You're the first person who's ever needed to resize a bunch of video files. Actually, there's a very useful utility called ffmpeg that can re-encode audio and video to a ton of different formats. However, it's not really n00b-friendly. I used the file at http://crow202.org/~mhgraham/presets.xml (originally part of a frontend written in some bizarre dialect of Pascal) and a bit of shell to come up with this: #!/bin/bash # converttoflv.sh # no error checking at all. Converts first arg to second arg ffmpeg -i $1 -vcodec flv -f flv -r 29.97 -s 320x240 -aspect \ 4:3 -b 300kb -g 160 -cmp dct -subcmp dct -mbd 2 -flags +aic+cbp+mv0+mv4 \ -trellis 1 -ac 1 -ar 22050 -ab 56kb $2 ...which, when invoked as converttoflv.sh thing.avi thing.flv, will turn thing.avi into a 320x240 FLV with a low bitrate audio stream at 22KHz and a 29.97 frames/sec framerate. The resulting videos are suitable for FlowPlayer and probably YouTube. There are a metric ton of reasonable presets in the XML file above, and they have descriptions. You can roll your own script(s) from that in about 30 seconds depending on your needs, or modify the command lines to get something different. There's probably something more polished out there, but the video re-encoding projects I found via freshmeat/sourceforge were all half-finished or special purpose. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: How to make a Verizon USB modem work with Linux?
Privatized Oppressive Telephone Service ;-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of tship...@deru.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:39 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: How to make a Verizon USB modem work with Linux? POTS Publicly Operated Telephone System Plain Ol' Telephone System What you have is a 3g cellular/wireless USB dohicky branded by Verizon Wireless. Verizon won't care linux has drivers for it. --Original Message-- From: Josef Lowder To: Main PLUG discussion list ReplyTo: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: How to make a Verizon USB modem work with Linux? Sent: Dec 8, 2009 10:42 AM Josef Lowder wrote: What are the steps to make a Verizon USB modem work with Linux? Eric replied, asking: DSL or POTS? Model? Here's the model: UM-175 broadband access wwan (I don't know how to determine if it is DSL or POTS. What is POTS?) Attempting to get it to work with PCLinuxOS 2009 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: FLASH disk as swap
Swap is basically hard drive space used so that when your computer wants to do something in memory and it doesn't have enough space left, it will suspend and copy some running programs to the swap disk, it doesn't use regular file system for speed, so it writes big nice even block sizes to the disk. Back in the day, you had to figure out, what programs you were running, how many copies of the program you were running, and figure out how much memory you were going to use, then double or triple it for the swap space. Today with memory getting even bigger and bigger, you probably could run without swap, but programs are using more and more memory too. So you have to figure out what you'll be running, and again how much memory the app requires. If you are going to run a large database, you probably want to have swap so the system doesn't choke. If the system runs out of memory, it probably going to stop running programs, then start killing programs, then choke. Again back in the day, it was probably 2 to 3 time the memory for swap, today I use 1GB to 2GB, for a regular system, and if I had a large critical system, I would at least match the memory with swap. As for using a flash drive as swap, yes it is completely doable. But the main reason for doing so, is speed, you want to cut down on swap time. There are all sorts of flash devices, so you have to figure out the speed rating of your device, believe me I've used some device that would never beat the speed of my hard drive. (and it's the write speed that's the killer) After that, you are correct, flash drives have a limited lifetime, and after so many write to a particular address, that address gets marked as not writable (it theory you could still read it). That's why when using flash as a file system you want to turn off time stamping everytime you access a file, because it keeps updating the file tables. SSD's have logic to try and randomize where the writes take place, spreading it around so they should last longer. Your everyday little old flash drive doesn't, so most likely, it will die faster. So if you are a big company with time critical stuff and need the faster swapping, get some fast SSD's. But for just regular use, it's not necessary to swap to flash. Just do it to prove you can, then go back to regular disk swapping. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of kitepi...@kitepilot.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:08 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: FLASH disk as swap swap is generally not needed This doesn't correlate with my experience... But then again, my experience can be wrong.:) What I (believe to) have seen however, is that Linux wants swap no matter what. I also tend to abuse the memory though. Is there an official answer for the question Does a Linux computer need swap? ET PS: Yo initialize a swap partition with mkswap. Stephen writes: I have run Linux desktops without swap and most of the time it was just fine (it had a large amount of ram so i don't think it cared. but what i understood of the issue now given the large amount of cheap ram swap is generally not needed unless a program needs it for a graceful moment On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:40 AM, Marco Savo wrote: Hello, I have a *simple* question: it is possible use a FLASH drive as SWAP? Probably, but why would you want to? For a normal desktop or server, I see a lot of disadvantages and no advantages over putting swap on a regular HDD. Post up your specific reason for being interested in the question, and we can probably provide better advice. If you really just want to know 'can it be done', I think the answer is yes, but don't do it. and which is the best filesistem to use then? (UBIFS? EXT4?...) A swap partition is its own kind thing. It doesn't have a normal filesystem. alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ---
RE: FLASH disk as swap
No, you're probably right, I stated it incorrectly. But I think we would overwhelm our new question asker, it we started to get into swapping strategies. lol -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of der.hans Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:52 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: FLASH disk as swap Am 03. Dez, 2009 schwätzte Bob Elzer so: Swap is basically hard drive space used so that when your computer wants to do something in memory and it doesn't have enough space left, it will suspend and copy some running programs to the swap disk, it doesn't use regular file system for speed, so it writes big nice even block sizes to the disk. The kernel suspends programs and copies them to swap? I believe it does not suspend them. Is there something I don't know about? The kernel will move under certain circumstances to aggressively copy data to swap, but I believe the programs are still running and if they access pages the data can be copied back out of swap into memory. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/Classeshttp://www.TwoGeekTechs.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # ... make it clear I support Free Software and not Open Source, # and don't imply I agree that there is such a thing as a # Linux operating system. - rms --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: FLASH disk as swap
OK for a really fast swap space. LOL Create a ram disk and swap to it. Not sure how you calculate how much memory you give to the ram disk. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:06 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: FLASH disk as swap Honestly thats part of the fun i personally learn something every time :-) On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: No, you're probably right, I stated it incorrectly. -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Apple vs Windows
The answer looks obvious http://www.gocomics.com/theargylesweater/2009/12/03/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: FLASH disk as swap
What about a large database maybe a couple of terabytes, and maybe lots of users. And then lets say we spread our 6GB of swap over several disks. Maybe a system with 32GB of memory, and dual quad processors. Maybe we could run some tests, anybody have a system like this ??? What does ebay and amazon and new egg run on, I heard they were doing lots of processing for black Friday ? Well maybe. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kurt Granroth Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:06 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: FLASH disk as swap On 12/3/09 9:39 AM, der.hans wrote: Having swap be 1.5 times the size of ram is good, double the size of ram is better. Those are old-school heuristics from back in the day when 32 MB was a lot of RAM. I stretch to think of a case where 6-8 GB of swap would come into play at *all*. That is, if you have a case where the system is using multi-gig amounts of swap, then I can almost guarantee that it is utterly unusable. One could say that it's there as a just-in-case... but I'm having a hard time buying that. Unusable is unusable. It would take so incredibly long to recover that any production server would have long been rebooted or managed some other way. I think I did 2x RAM up until I had 512MB and then 1x RAM until I got to 1GB. Then I was .5x at 2GB RAM and finally .25x now ;-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: DNS
You do know that you can use any DNS server you want to, right ? I use openDNS, it's free and I seem to have less problems then I ever had with qwest. http://www.opendns.com/start/ Basic works just fine. http://www.opendns.com/ https://store.opendns.com/setup/operatingsystem/ubuntu _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike havens Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:49 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: DNS so you think it is pretty safe to stay around? On 11/27/09, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure why Verizon is going to kill 2 root hubs... On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys what do you think of 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1? From what I've read Verizon bought them and there is speculation they will go away. What do you think about that? On 11/27/09, Dorian Monroe dorian.mon...@cox.net wrote: dns1.uson.mx sancarlos.noc.uson.mx 148.225.1.9 148.225.2.9 Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: mike havens bmi...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:47:58 To: Main PLUG discussion listPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: DNS --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: DNS
What are you trying to do ? I get the impression you are trying to do something sneaky. If that's the case, you really don't need to. You can use OpenDNS, or DynDNS, or any of a bunch of others for free. Is there a particular reason you need to use the verizon DNS servers ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike havens Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:03 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: DNS sh don't give them any ideas! yeah... I kinda thought that ns =name server but what about mx? On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: mike havens wrote: On the webpage I learned they were verizons name servers they were harping on about not using them if you are not authorized to do so. What are they talking about? I thought they were in the public domain. What led you to believe that? They are intended for use solely by their customers. Why would/should they provide DNS resolver services for the whole world? Then again, if they want to limit usage of their resolvers to their customers, it seems reasonable that they take whatever measures are necessary to enforce that limitation. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Leaked Climate Emails
Yes, but it might be on topic, if we are discussing how the accounts got hacked, how to prevent the accounts from being hacked, how to encrypt the messages in case the account gets hacked, how to track down the person that hacked the accounts. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: Leaked Climate Emails Alan Dayley wrote: Marked off-topic: Check Interesting: Check Will produce productive result in this forum (Linux list): Nope If it were the right forum (climate change or political list), will produce productive result in this medium (email): Nope Alan And 100 replies later, Alan remembers that PLUG can be a political hotbed when subjects like these come up. -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Fedora firestorm and thoughts
I don't think he did this to harm anyone, I just think he didn't fully thinking things out. I know I think, I think things out fully, only to find out I missed something sometimes (say that three times fast). At least with Fedora, there is a fix that puts it back to the way users want. Unlike some other operating system that's patched on tuesdays, and you are stuck with the way they want it to be. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dazed_75 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:22 PM To: phrkonale...@gmail.com; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Fedora firestorm and thoughts On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Dazed_75 wrote: There seems to be a firestorm going on with regard to a change in the newly released Fedora 12. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/18/2039229/Fedora-12-Lets-Users- http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/18/2039229/Fedora-12-Lets-Users-%0AIn stall-Signed-Packages-Sans-Root-Privileges?art_pos=1 Install-Signed-Packages-Sans-Root-Privileges?art_pos=1 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 How much this has blown up from being slashdotted is not an issue IMHO. And I agree that it was a horrible decision to make that change be the default. I do hope they revert it. My belief is that if they wanted such a change it is important enough they should have retained the old behavior and made an option to implement the new only by someone having root privileges and proving it. But the real reason for this post is that I have noticed what might be a trend in recent releases. It feels like a trend to me and I find that bothersome. The trend I am talking about is for new releases to change defaults and content in ways that so many reviews and tips are focussed on how to revert the improvements to the prior art. For example, there are many positive reviews for Karmic Koala (ubuntu 9.10) along with the usual problem reports. But it seems that many of the problem solutions and tips being published are how to fix Karmic back to the way ubuntu used to work. Now this thing with Fedora 12. I get concerned when it seems like we risk our advantages of better security and stability. I'm all for ease of use and innovation but I wonder if some changes are going too far and too fast. I have also noted that many changes are made to make things easier for new users (a good thing) but along the Microsoft model of assuming users must be stupid ... errr don't need/want to know. Is that bothering anyone else? This was never a decision discussed by the Fedora project as a whole. It was never a decision that anyone besides Richard Hughes chose to implement[1], and refused to revert when all this exploded. This is not a security issue, or an issue of Fedora dumbing itself down for its users. It's a matter of communication, or lack thereof: 1) This should have been discussed beforehand, either in a Fedora Release Engineering meeting, or in the fedora-devel mailing list. 2) if it was chosen to be implemented by default it should have been in the release notes along with explicit details on how to disable this. Neither of these things happened, and we (Fedora's developers and contributors) are already working to revert this and make sure things like this don't happen in the future. [1] Hughes felt that PackageKit was something to be used by Desktop systems only not server/multiuser systems, and 99% of desktop systems run only one or two users, all trusted with root access already. It was a convenience addition for Desktop users. Also, this policy was only enabled for LOCAL users running on a LOCAL terminal installing packages from the trusted Fedora repos. If you look at it this way, you have physical access to the box, you basically own it already. Sorry, but I don't see that excuses anything. It means that that user/owner now does not necessarily even know whether he is installing system level components. He no longer needs to know there may be impact to even that one other user which might even be his own other login. I know you are only explaining what reasoning he used and you don't condone him doing it without approval. I am just saying even his own reasoning is flawed. Plus which he did nothing to limit the impact of his decision to the use case his reasoning supposedly refers to. -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels.
RE: PLUG Group on Identi.ca
cause Identi.us sounds funny ??? lol -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Bill Lindley Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:20 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: PLUG Group on Identi.ca Why are we on a Canadian website? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: IRC Channel Access
Could the DCC requests be logged ? Not sure how many happen for a normal day if it would be feasible. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Austin William Wright Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:09 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: IRC Channel Access der.hans wrote: The exploiters don't have to be on the server and if it's DCC the server doesn't know who the exploiters are. ciao, der.hans DCC is initiated through the server though, it is the initiation process that either clients or, for some bizarre reason/coincidence/conspiracy (dropping connections due their content is a pretty BIG BUG), routers drop the connection. It appears to be server too, Freenode (I don't know about other servers) carelessly passes DCC and CTCP requests onto the client without parsing them. Austin Wright. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cox slowing torrents?
It's not only cox, I have qwest, and my torrents have gone from 150k to 50-20k It seem to have started in november. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:29 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: OT: Cox slowing torrents? I'm on Cox cable for internet and paying for their Premiere package (20MBit down, 2MBit up). Over the past day or so I've seen my torrent uploads go from respectable to abysmal; I'm lucky if I can upload at over 10kB/s now. I've reset both my model and router several times and that hasn't helped at all. Is anyone else seeing this problem too or is it only on my end? Thanks for any feedback. -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Cox slowing torrents?
well qwest is doing it all the time, I schedule my torrents for overnight, and they were always finished by morning, now they run all day the next day. I can understand, when there is lots of traffic, and I support the changes to bittorrent to use only the closest peers, but it shouldn't be a blanket policy to slow everything down. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:02 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Cox slowing torrents? Note, I think cox has rolled a policy to slow down certain traffic during peak load/times to prevent a detrimental effect on the network. then at off peak times will go back up (or supposed to) On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Joe li...@joefleming.net wrote: I'm on Cox cable for internet and paying for their Premiere package (20MBit down, 2MBit up). Over the past day or so I've seen my torrent uploads go from respectable to abysmal; I'm lucky if I can upload at over 10kB/s now. I've reset both my model and router several times and that hasn't helped at all. Is anyone else seeing this problem too or is it only on my end? Thanks for any feedback. -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: IRC Channel Access
It's kind of like a web page, it's only on the one server. But unless you have a static IP, I'm not sure how they could ban you. You could try loggin on with a different name, and even a different client. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Sean Parsons Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:22 AM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: IRC Channel Access Is freenode the only access to PLUG-AZ? I seem to have been kicked out of a channel because my router is buggy, some exploit they say I am susceptible to and there for are banned from the #Ubuntu channel entirely. The ops think its funny to gang up and pelt you with conflicting answers and when you call them on their behavior you get lectured on net etiquette, kettle? Needless to say I am too old for kid games, is there another server that has access to the channel? Sean Parsons --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: IRC Channel Access
OK think of freenode like a radio, freenode would be the band like AM or FM, and the channels would be the radio stations. Just because you were listening to KCBS (ubuntu channel) and they did something you didn't like, you wouldn't say I'm done with the FM (Freenode) band. You would just change the channel to KABC (plugaz). And like Radio the DJ's are the channel operators. So mutt and jeff the morning idiots that punk'd you, have nothing to do with Cousin Brucie the evening DJ. As for your problem your client (Car Radio) works fine, but your Router (Car), will shut down if the DJ's send the EBS Test. And they keep sending it to your car, causing it to die. From what I read, I can't determine if other users get bumped off just because you did, or because they have the same router. If it is just because you did, then your router would be everyone's problem, that's why they wouldn't want you on their channel. In either case, you can still join the pulgaz channel and chat with us. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Sean Parsons Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: IRC Channel Access They say there is some DCC exploit my router is susceptible to, but can't be specific, so they run some test on my connection and then kick/ban me from channels. There is nothing wrong with my Linksys WRT54G router, except some script kiddies on their network flood channels and I will apparently loose connection and be dropped. So instead of educating people or patching their servers, they kick//ban people, and when you ask questions the play with their bots and pelt you with useless links... 6 on 1 is a bit overwhelming. I tried 3 clients, same thing. Whatever they have built tests connections. They can't explain why this is an issue to them if my connection gets dropped, it's really my problem... They suggested changing from port 6667 to 8001 and after a great deal of confusion about how to do it in the various clients, I was still kicked/banned from certain channels. So I give up with these guys and their power trip. I've done nothing but read/learn/contribute so I'm not a threat, but they feel this is the way to handle things. The DCC problem has been an issue for years, but to suddenly target users in chat rooms designed to educate, is ridiculous and irresponsible behavior. So I'd rather not use freenode, unless I have no other choice. BTW I am on a fixed IP so it wouldn't take much for then to ban me from every channel.. Sean Parsons From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Bob Elzer Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:42 AM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: IRC Channel Access It's kind of like a web page, it's only on the one server. But unless you have a static IP, I'm not sure how they could ban you. You could try loggin on with a different name, and even a different client. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Sean Parsons Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:22 AM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: IRC Channel Access Is freenode the only access to PLUG-AZ? I seem to have been kicked out of a channel because my router is buggy, some exploit they say I am susceptible to and there for are banned from the #Ubuntu channel entirely. The ops think its funny to gang up and pelt you with conflicting answers and when you call them on their behavior you get lectured on net etiquette, kettle? Needless to say I am too old for kid games, is there another server that has access to the channel? Sean Parsons --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cox slowing torrents?
They may also only throttle when you've hit a certain limit. For quest, I know they're only throttling P2P, because I can still do FTP at the full 150k. I've tried forcing encryption on the P2P with a little success, but I'm not fully sure about that yet. Could be because I took a break and used ftp instead of p2p. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:10 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cox slowing torrents? I realize they have both been reportedly filtering and slowing torrents for some time (in fact I think all ISPs reportedly do), but I've only really noticed it since last night. I was chugging along maintaining about 120-140kBps up as usual and all of a sudden everything dropped off and I couldn't get anything up over 10kBps. I've had Cox for over a year now and it's the first time I've have any issue like that. I changed my ports around and checked some sites and none of the tests came back positive for filtering. Now, all of a sudden, I'm back up to 120kBps again. I still have no idea if it was me or them... Thanks for the feedback though. -Joe Bob Elzer wrote: It's not only cox, I have qwest, and my torrents have gone from 150k to 50-20k It seem to have started in november. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:29 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: OT: Cox slowing torrents? I'm on Cox cable for internet and paying for their Premiere package (20MBit down, 2MBit up). Over the past day or so I've seen my torrent uploads go from respectable to abysmal; I'm lucky if I can upload at over 10kB/s now. I've reset both my model and router several times and that hasn't helped at all. Is anyone else seeing this problem too or is it only on my end? Thanks for any feedback. -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cox slowing torrents?
It's because you are talking about them :-) They're trying to censor you, use code words. Cox = Wally. Wally is throttling P2P LOL -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:31 AM To: Phoenix Linux Users Subject: Re: Cox slowing torrents? This may be a complete coincidence, but yesterday and this morning my cox service has been going up and down. I had 3 outages yesterday and one this morning. Each lasted for 10-30 minutes. Mark Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:15:11 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cox slowing torrents? Most likely them I would guess. (Not that that's worth a hill of beans). -- -Eric 'shubes' Joe wrote: I realize they have both been reportedly filtering and slowing torrents for some time (in fact I think all ISPs reportedly do), but I've only really noticed it since last night. I was chugging along maintaining about 120-140kBps up as usual and all of a sudden everything dropped off and I couldn't get anything up over 10kBps. I've had Cox for over a year now and it's the first time I've have any issue like that. I changed my ports around and checked some sites and none of the tests came back positive for filtering. Now, all of a sudden, I'm back up to 120kBps again. I still have no idea if it was me or them... Thanks for the feedback though. -Joe Bob Elzer wrote: It's not only cox, I have qwest, and my torrents have gone from 150k to 50-20k It seem to have started in november. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:29 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: OT: Cox slowing torrents? I'm on Cox cable for internet and paying for their Premiere package (20MBit down, 2MBit up). Over the past day or so I've seen my torrent uploads go from respectable to abysmal; I'm lucky if I can upload at over 10kB/s now. I've reset both my model and router several times and that hasn't helped at all. Is anyone else seeing this problem too or is it only on my end? Thanks for any feedback. -Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: IRC Channel Access
So what was the fix ??? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Sean Parsons Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:23 PM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: IRC Channel Access I actually used their appeal process to explain my concerns and complaint to the Ubuntu IRC Council and found concerned adults to took my issues and provided the help necessary to fix my problem and apologized for the incident, as well as lifting the ban. I'm now back on the freenode servers, It just took several hours to get to the people in charge. I was only asking if there was an alternative, as I had no desire to fight with these people. After the replys from earlier I went back and insisted on speaking with somebody about making a complaint and things were fixed. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Technomage Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:13 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: IRC Channel Access Sean Parsons wrote: Is freenode the only access to PLUG-AZ? I seem to have been kicked out of a channel because my router is buggy, some exploit they say I am susceptible to and there for are banned from the #Ubuntu channel entirely. The ops think its funny to gang up and pelt you with conflicting answers and when you call them on their behavior you get lectured on net etiquette, kettle? Needless to say I am too old for kid games, is there another server that has access to the channel? Sean Parsons well, when we first setup the irc chan, freenode was generally a nicer place. It may be a bit more populated with children these days. I am not sure we have any other chans on any other network. I could try setting up a private server again but I really don't want the work and all that this entails (I was, after all, the original maintainer of the chan when it was on the private server so long ago). I am open to suggestions as to where else we can host it (EFnet is still around). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: IRC Channel Access
But you're right, if it only affects you then why ban you. Why aren't they banning the exploiters. It's like saying we don't allow sick people in the hospital. lol -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Sean Parsons Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:29 PM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: IRC Channel Access Sorry, Guess the resolution would be prudent. According to the Ubuntu council, the exploit is being handled in one of two ways: 1. Upgrade the firmware of the router, but nobody knows what versions are safe, we couldn't agree on this as a resolution. 2. Stop accessing freenode on channel 6667, they recommend 8001 as the exploit doesn't work on this channel. I was able to get the irc client switched to 8001 and after a lengthy appeal I was retested and the ban lifted. I've read up on this issue as its been around since 2006 and affects Linksys, Netgear, and several other residential gateways. My unit is a Linksys WRT54G V8 which is only a few months old, so I wouldn't expect it to have this issue, but apparently it does. The current firmware releases dating back to my version do not show any resolution to this exploit, so I don't want to flash my router until I know I have a problems and this is the solution As for the exploit, the script kiddies apparently launch some DCC command at one of these routers and then kill the connection, it then forces my connection to freenode to terminate. I fail to see how this becomes an issue to them if I'm the one disconnected, but hey Im new to IRC. Anyway they say that all users to freenode should take one of these two solutions or risk being banned from any channel where these BOTS they have setup test each user and kick/ban/redirect you into a purgatory where I found no help in getting myself fixed, just read their web page post and figure it out on your own. Hence my desire to go elsewhere. I've sent an e-mail to Linksys asking for information about this issue and will post if I get a response, but the consensus on several forums is that is an IRC server problem, not theirs so who knows when or if it will be fixed. 3 years is a long time to know about it and not fix it... Needless to say I learned more than I wanted to about this exploit, my router, and IRC Sociology. I prefer E-Mail, telephone, SMS, or even hand gestures to some of this IRC experience but hey I'm still here! Thanks to all who helped! Now I'm going to get drunk! Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Bob Elzer Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:59 PM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: IRC Channel Access So what was the fix ??? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Sean Parsons Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:23 PM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: IRC Channel Access I actually used their appeal process to explain my concerns and complaint to the Ubuntu IRC Council and found concerned adults to took my issues and provided the help necessary to fix my problem and apologized for the incident, as well as lifting the ban. I'm now back on the freenode servers, It just took several hours to get to the people in charge. I was only asking if there was an alternative, as I had no desire to fight with these people. After the replys from earlier I went back and insisted on speaking with somebody about making a complaint and things were fixed. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Technomage Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:13 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: IRC Channel Access Sean Parsons wrote: Is freenode the only access to PLUG-AZ? I seem to have been kicked out of a channel because my router is buggy, some exploit they say I am susceptible to and there for are banned from the #Ubuntu channel entirely. The ops think its funny to gang up and pelt you with conflicting answers and when you call them on their behavior you get lectured on net etiquette, kettle? Needless to say I am too old for kid games, is there another server that has access to the channel? Sean Parsons well, when we first setup the irc chan, freenode was generally a nicer place. It may be a bit more populated with children these days. I am not sure we have any other chans on any other network. I could try setting up a private server again but I really don't want the work and all that this entails (I was, after all, the original maintainer of the chan when it was on the private server so long ago). I am open
RE: File sharing web script
The app is called a web server, are you running one on your server ? If not apache and tomcat come to mind. If you are running one, then all you have to do is: scp filename u...@servername:/path/to/upload/directory Or are you asking us how to create the large file ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of AZ Pete Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:33 AM To: PLUG Discuss Subject: File sharing web script Hi All, I have a need to be able to make large files to available to several clients for download. When the need currently arises I use megaupload.com, which is a nice service for free, but I would rather keep things all on my server. What I want to be able to do is to upload said huge file (200Mb-500Mb) to my web host via SSH/FTP. Then simply send my client a url where they can download that file via their browser. Are there any apps that can do this? I did some searching on sourceforge, but couldn't really find anything. Thanks, Peter --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: nano nitpick (triple negative) (was: Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software)
I don't pay no never mind to those things. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:20 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: nano nitpick (triple negative) (was: Re: OT, ACTA,Secrecy and free software) Vim Nano Mike Schwartz wrote: OK, [0] hard time, times [1] not reading is -- so far -- a double negative. I have no problem (ain't got no un-problem) with lots of negatives, but I just think you meant the meaning, that goes with an EVEN number of them here. So, I think it should be with a grain of salt. instead of [2] without a grain of salt. because IMHO, [2] makes it a triple negative which -- has the meaning 180 degrees from what it should be. Don't get me wrong -- a quadruple negative would be fine here. Just not an ODD number of negatives, since that has the meaning off by a power of minus one from what it should be. Just my 0.02 (or, micro 2.0E+4), -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards
This is a linux list. How does a DEAD Nvidia work better than a running ATI Nvidia's are dying left and right, check out their forums. They have an overheating problem. The new models too. At least ATI has open sourced the drivers, it's still a work in progress, but it's getting better. I'm running an X1600 with Centos 5.3, and an All in Wonder with Centos 4.7 and they work completely fine. Also ran 5.3 on 3870, oh and the laptop runs ubuntu with radeon 200M fine too. The point of my previous message is that Nvidia is having problems with their hardware, maybe Mike is just going to do text editing in console mode, then they Nvidia will work fine. But if the card is ever going to get a good workout, then IT MIGHT DIE. When a vendor (XFI) say he'll replace an Nvidia with an ATI 4870, make me think he knows something more about the Nvidia problem. How many of your Nvidia cards have been RMA'd, of all my ATI that I've owned, one because the fan got clogged with dust and stopped working, and ATI wouldn't just send me the tiny fan, that I could have replaced myself. I've had three friends that sweared by Nvidia all switch to ATI in the last year. Yes we kidded each other about which was best, but I really felt bad for them, listening to all the problems they were having, and dealing with the vendors for multiple RMA's. So from my experience ATI is reliable. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Nathan England Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:08 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap Linux compatible video cards On Sunday 08 November 2009 15:42:39 Bob Elzer wrote: I know four people who have had top of the line Nvidia cards and all have been having trouble with them, mostly overheating. Three of them have already given up and switched to ATI, one of them yesterday. he had a 260 and exchanged it for a 4870. The cards were mainly for gaming on windows but it was always heat issues. I recommend going with ATI. You said the cards were mostly used for GAMING and on WINDOWS. So how would those cards work on a LINUX system that is not GAMING? Seriously, you recommend a card to a LINUX user because it works better for WINDOWS GAMING? I thought this was a linux list !?! Didn't the original question ask about linux support? Nvidia has a binary blob but it works MUCH better than ATI's drivers do. Atleast in my latest test of the cards and drivers. Anything nvidia works better than anything ati. Unless you use the open source X.org drivers for either card, both work well. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards
Here is the comparable ATI card to Steve's suggestion (one jump up from the chart) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121340 Both have free shipping, ATI has a MIR that brings it down to $34.99 Plus ATI had HDMI (if that's important) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:42 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Cheap Linux compatible video cards In general id look into this card, I have liked evga decent cards with decent support and decent reliability, and if you want some 3d functions but not looking at gaming the 1g o0f vid ram will do nicely. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130501cm_re=9500GT -_-14-130-501-_-Product and i would suggest the nvidia drivers over the stock ones in your described situation, and less than 60 bux now. not as cheap at fry, but the rebates bring it down to 40 if you go with a 512 card http://frys.com/search?search_type=regularsqxts=1query_string=9500GTcat=0 submit.x=0submit.y=0 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards
What are your system specs ? I had video lag issues at one time, even after I got a better video card, it turned out it was the cpu, went to X2 2.6 from x1 2.0 and things were fine after that. What do you want to upgrade, the card, the card and power supply, or the whole computer ? What do you want to do on the upgraded system ? The more input we have the better we can help. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lyle Tuttle Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:03 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards So, I have an older system, 250 Watt Power supply, with a NVIDIA Gforce4 Ti 4200 card.and I get some herky-jerky video out.. Seems like all the newer, faster cards want 300 watt power.. I would like to upgrade. Any suggestions..? lyle --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Dell Laptop Recommendation
Dell 1445 $600 http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=12960747 HP _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:08 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Dell Laptop Recommendation Thank you for all your suggestions. I have traced the problem on my current laptop to a heat problem. If I install both 512MB RAM boards, the laptop dies somewhere from power-on to fully running. I have run the Dell diagnostics on each 512 MB RAM card separately, and they both pass. I also swapped out each card in the lower slot, and the machine runs, albeit slowly. When I put a RAM card in the upper slot, it dies. My conclusion is that the RAM controller on the mother board is overheating or rapidly reaching its EOL, so it is time to get a new machine. If you have other thoughts, please let me know! 1445 I am looking at two machines now, but am open to suggestions on other machines - A refurbished Dell latitude D830 or a new Dell Studio 1555. Both are about the same price ~$700. The Studio 1555 IntelR CoreT 2 Duo T6600 (2.2GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache) Genuine WindowsR 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English 15.6 High Definition (720p) LED Display with TrueLifeT and Camera 8X Slot Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive) 4GB2 Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz Speed: 500GB3 SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) with Free Fall Sensor 512MB4 ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 McAfee SecurityCenter, 15-Months IntelR WiFi Link 5100 802.11agn Half Mini-Card 56 Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell) The Dell Latitiude 830 IntelR CoreT Duo processor L1 cache 64 KB (internal) L2 cache 2 MB (on die) External bus frequency 800 MHz System chipset IntelR 965GM and 965PM Data bus width 64 bits DRAM bus width 64 bits Processor address bus width 36 bits CardBus controller OZ711 Memory module capacities 2GB (max 4GB) Memory type 533/667 DDRII SDRAM Network adapter 1-GB Ethernet LAN on system board Graphics - nVIDIA Quadro NVS 135M or nVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M, Intel GM965 WXGA, WSXGA+, or WUXGA 6-cell lithium-ion battery 56 WHr I will be running Debian testing, windows XP/7 as a vm. Mostly used for Java, Python , web development, and all the normal work processing, email stuff, and video/audio editing. This is my main workstation, so I need some degree of portability. I am leaning towards the Latititude only because I have read some reviews, and it seems to be a little more sturdy than the Studio. Thanks for y our laptop ideas! Mark On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I would take a look at makeinh a disk image then restore to vm or if useing xen you can use thir tools to convert to virtual On 11/7/09, AZ RUNE arizona.r...@gmail.com wrote: I have used Dell Studio 17 and it worked great for Ubuntu which is the only somewhat support version of non-server Linux they provide. Ubuntu being a debian derivative you may have good luck (YMMV). My current Dell is a M1730 XPS and it has been great for me and I do love the blue beast (pet name). Later, Brian On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote: My Dell Latitude just died...a subject for a different post. I just received an advertisement from Dell for a Studio 1555 on sale for $699 (Windows 7). The Dell sales rep said it is also Linux compatible. I want to install Debian testing on it. It has a dual core 64 bit processor. I have never had a 64 bit processor pc before. Are 32 bit Debian packages/apps compatible with this processor? Are most Debian packages 64 bit today, or just a subset? Large, small subset? Growing? Is there a way to re-install the windows 7 as a virtual os or am I stuck with a dual boot situation? Finally, has anyone every used this beast, or other 15 Dell Studio laptops? Do you like it? Hate it? Why? Thanks! Mark Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards
OK, like I said the more info you give us the better, So far what I can gleam is that you have an 8x AGP card. with maybe 128MB vid memory My system ASUS M4A78 Pro MB AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000 2.6 Ghz cpu 4GB Mem ATI 3870 512MB PCI-Express 2.0 video card. I do see some agp cards with 1GB mem, but because agp tech is old you pay more for agp then you would for the pci-e equivalent. your cpu should handle video ok, but you don't say how much memory you have, could you be disk swapping ? so It's hard to determine where your bottleneck is. PCI Express is like 8 times faster than AGP, so you'll never get video processing power like we have today. It also depends on the codec, so codecs require more cpu ( don't think this is the issue, but it's something to think about) Also you're talking about streaming video from espn, are you sure it's not your connection ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lyle Tuttle Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:11 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards At 11:11 AM 11/9/2009, you wrote: What are your system specs ? 2.53 Intel P4 133 meg buss I had video lag issues at one time, even after I got a better video card, it turned out it was the cpu, went to X2 2.6 from x1 2.0 and things were fine after that. What do you want to upgrade, the card, the card and power supply, or the whole computer ? Just the card, if it is worth the time/money -- I have a hard time watching football on espn360.com...G...too jerky What do you want to do on the upgraded system ? Only want better video.all else is ok... The more input we have the better we can help. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [ mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lyle Tuttle Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:03 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards So, I have an older system, 250 Watt Power supply, with a NVIDIA Gforce4 Ti 4200 card.and I get some herky-jerky video out.. Seems like all the newer, faster cards want 300 watt power.. I would like to upgrade. Any suggestions..? lyle --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Server Monitoring Tools
What no Hobbit ??? How could they leave that off ? :-) _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Eric Cope Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:46 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: OT: Server Monitoring Tools I found this article and thought some here would appreciate it, if not add to it... http://sixrevisions.com/tools/10-free-server-network-monitoring-tools-that-k ick-ass/ -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards
Even worse, the HD4650 is 9 tiers above your X300, $55 with a $20 Mail in Rebate ($35) and double the memory 1GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121340 That's something we didn't touch on before, the nvidia are almost always more expensive for the comparable ati cards Sorry to break the bad news :( _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mike Bushroe Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cheap Linux compatible video cards I wish I had known about this list last night! I went with Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127412 MSI 9400 GT 512MB. it is only about 5 tiers up form my old Radeon X300, but it was $54 (and I believe a $10 mail in rebate) and it has an HDMI port for when I retire this box to the living room and use it to browse the internet on the big screen. But it looks like one of the 9500 GTs would not have cost much more but still would have been 4 more tiers up in the list. Oh well. At least when I have to run windows on it windoze won't suffer quite as much. Mike http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127412 -- Forwarded message -- From: Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:12:47 -0700 Subject: RE: Cheap Linux compatible video cards Mike, whichever you decide to get, here is a chart that compares all the Nvidia and ATI cards. Find a model that you're interested in, and look it up on the chart, it will show the comparable card in the opposite column. It also shows you how many jumps up your new card would be from the old one. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2464-8.html --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: hobbit/bb 403 is green?
Here's an explanation by the author of hobbit... --- On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 08:25:53AM -0500, Larry Barber wrote: Henrik, I currently have an http test that is getting a 403 Forbidden response. Hobbit is not marking this as an error. Would it be possible to have Hobbit treat a Forbidden response as an error and alert on it? Since Frederic has already been quoting my source-code, I guess it's evident that I have been in doubt about this particular error code. The reason it does not cause a yellow or red status is that Forbidden is a common result when testing websites that require authentication. Your Hobbit server may not have the required authentication, and in that case a red status because of a 403 error would be misleading. One could also argue that if the server is so much alive as to respond with a Forbidden status, then there is a fair chance that it is actually running OK. So my suggestion is that if you must have a red status if you get a 403 status back, then implement a content-check and look for something in the response that must be present. Regards, Henrik --- -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of der.hans Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:58 AM To: quatsch Subject: hobbit/bb 403 is green? moin moin, added monitoring for a borken web server to hobbit last night and a 403 forbidden is giving a green status. Seems foolish that a hard error would be marked as OK. How do I get hobbit to correctly mark a 403 as being down? I don't see anything about this in the bb-hosts man page :(. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.ABLEconf.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # Intelligence without compassion is a waste. -- der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Makefile question...
what's more automated than make ???
-Original Message-
From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kurt
Granroth
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:59 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: Makefile question...
On 10/27/09 9:23 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
Hello virtual inhabitants:
I have a C++ application scattered over several directories.
Each leaf directory has its own Makefile.
I want to write a top-level Makefile that traverses the tree and
builds the application.
Makefile(s) are not one of my talents, and I cant' remember how to
traverse the tree and fire up the nested Makefile(s).
Any make Guru in the population?
Hmm... I'm tempted to recommend that you move away from Makefiles entirely
into something a little more automated. Still, that's not what your
question was.
---
DIRS = one two three
all:
for dir in ${DIRS}; do make -C $$dir $@; done
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RE: [securityalerts] New Moodle releases 1.9.6 and 1.8.10: Securityfixes
Lisa is telling us that they are not telling everyone, only registered moodle sites are being notified. Which leaves sites that didn't bother to register hanging. If there is a problem, then you should let everyone know so they can get it patched as soon as possible or disable the problem (even if that means the site itself). In this case it seems the fixes aren't ready yet, so they are warning the registered people, it's a catch 22, do you warn everyone and then hackers that didn't know about it jump on the bandwagon and start hacking everything they can find (hopefully the warned somehow prevent this until the fix), or do you keep it hush hush, warn the few and hope the hackers that already know about it don't hack too many. I would rather know as soon as possible myself. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of R P Herrold Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:35 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: [securityalerts] New Moodle releases 1.9.6 and 1.8.10: Securityfixes On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Lisa Kachold wrote: Moodle announces more security issues. By sending out this advance security notice of known exploits to registered Moodle sites before the security fixes and press release it's clear that Moodle does not fully appreciate the state of web security today. Literally thousands of web systems exploiters are already targeting school based Moodle php/mysql sites! and so ? so are sendmail and bind and the Linux kernel each of which announce their holes as well -- Forwarded message -- From: mar...@moodle.com Subject: [securityalerts] New Moodle releases 1.9.6 and 1.8.10: Security fixes To: securityale...@lists.moodle.org You are getting this email because you subscribed to the Moodle security alerts list when you registered your Moodle site. (Thanks for registering, by the way!) I would read this that moodle cares enough to run a security alerts ML exploder, and that they care enough to use it. It seems like sour grapes to complain that the 'free soup' is not seasoned as you like it. -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Do not appreciate the implication that I am pathetic.
You can hear the tone in his voice by reading text ? Wow you have some super human abilities, you should be on that show Heroes. What tone, did I just use ? My take from his message, was he thought the linux distro you are running was pathetic, not you. But you have never told us what disto this is, wouldn't that help us help you. If this were a system on the internet then people would tell you that not updating the system leaves it open to all sorts of vulnerabilities. But if you have legacy stuff that for some reason won't run on today's stuff then you have no choice, but I'll bet if you told us what those things are, we would try to help you update them so you could do updates. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Josef Lowder Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:06 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: OT: Do not appreciate the implication that I am pathetic. Craig White wrote: I can't quite figure out if this is an indictment on all Linux in general or the specific distribution that he uses but this is pathetic. If the distribution you choose to use breaks because you update, you need to find a different one...period, end of discussion. Craig, your comment in response to my question seeking assistance regarding 'scp' is not only unhelpful, but it conveys an implication that I am (in your opinion) pathetic because of my choice (and necessity) to keep this one computer (of the six different computer systems that I use) unchanged. It is not possible to safely update this particular computer. This old reliable system is the one on which I do much of my work because it incorporates a configuration and capabilities that are no longer available and cannot be replicated. Rather than being pathetic, it is actually remarkable that this old system has proved to be the *most* rock-solid reliable of all of my systems. It has been running 24/7 for more than 4 years. It is never shut down except for power outages and vacations. And, praise God, I have *never* had a system failure or need to reboot. This current issue with scp seems to have occurred because I changed routers as became necessary to get a faster DSL speed. I had not needed 'scp' since that change until recently, and I have now learned that it was apparently because of enabling IP Passthrough that the inet address got messed up and I have not been able to get it restored. Craig, you have sometimes offered some helpful suggestions on various issues in the past (although often with a rather abrupt tone). However this kind of belittling ridicule is definitely not helpful. It is so much more helpful when comments are of a more positive and constructive nature and tone. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: How to set up partitions for a quad boot with two HDs?
Are you trying to resize the partitions while they are still mounted ? You must unmount them first. You might try downloading and burning parted magic, then none of your partitions will be mounted and you should be able to change them all the way you want. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Josef Lowder Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:19 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: How to set up partitions for a quad boot with two HDs? I've tried to use both 'GParted' and 'QTparted' but can't figure out how to get the partitions set up. Here's a link to a description with screen-caps of what I've tried so far: http://www.vsiq.com/linux/partitions What is the best way to solve this? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: scp times out
try telnet 192.168.1.68 22 if you get some prompts then the port is working, if not it's probably being blocked. check your firewall settings. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:27 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: scp times out On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Josef Lowder wrote: $ scp filename j...@192.168.1.68:/home/joe/filecopy ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.68 port 22: Connection timed out /sbin/ifconfig shows 192.168.1.68 as the inet address. This will give you more info about what's going on... scp -v filename j...@192.168.1.68:/home/joe/filecopy 0) Verify default route is in place: netstat -rn (UG should be gateway) 1) Ensure ssh is on on the target machine. 2) Verify ports are open: nmap $target (to ensure iptables are not limiting ssh access by source/destination or mac address, port knocking) 3) Verify MTU issues if you are in a remote connection or VPN. 4) Travel to the machine and verify it's turned on (laugh), ethernet up, ssh on! -- www.obnosis.com Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/teamwork1.jpg --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: laptop battery capacity
My HP pavilion is always plugged in, once the battery is fully charged, the light goes off telling me it isn't charging any more. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike havens Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:13 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: laptop battery capacity For clarification: I think you also don't want the battery in if you only run the lap-top while the lap-top is plugged in. Isn't one of the deals with rechargeables that it only has a certain amount of charge time? Therefore, you don't always want to have it plugged in and charging. On 10/22/09, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I think you also don't want the battery in if you only run it while it is plugged in. On 10/22/09, Jerry Davis jdaw...@cox.net wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:44:10 -0700 Nathan England nat...@paysonlinux.org wrote: yes, take it to batteries plus, and get it rebuilt. i am also guilty of this, but the kind of batteries that are in laptops, need to be almost fully discharged once in a while, as lithium ion batteries need that. periodically, I will unplug, and let it go down to like less than 4 min left, and then plug it back in. i've had 2 batteries, go out on me because of this. jerry I realize batteries lose capacity over time, but this seems rediculous to me as I have never had a laptop battery go as fast as the current one. I have only owned Dell laptops in the past and the batteries have lasted plenty long, but this HP is killing me! Just over a year old and the battery is less than half the capacity at full charge!!! Hardinfo says: 2592 mAh / 6000 mAh (43.20%) Yikes!!! Isn't there anything that can be done to force a fuller charge ? this sucks! nathan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown Registered Linux User: 275424 K7AZJ This email's Fortune: Life is an exciting business, and most exciting when it is lived for others. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: SATA drive problem
Silly question, but if it's a SATA drive, how did you install it on an IDE slot ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mark Jarvis Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:49 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: SATA drive problem Final result: Here's a better statement of what I thought were my problems with the new SATA drive on Linux: Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, Gnome's File Browser showed ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and did not show the new drive. When I brought up Gnome's gparted, it saw the new drive just fine--but as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. (POST identifies it as Channel 2 Master.) Solutions: I found out that starting at least one major kernel revision ago, drives are enumerated in the order that they are discovered during the boot process. So the SATA drive was the first drive found. Then, when I re-booted after updating my system, Gnome's file browser dropped the ghosts and found the new SATA drive OK, so that problem went away. Problems solved, I learned a few things, and I didn't have to re-install. Except for installing updates and re-booting, I didn't have to do anything to Linux for it to use the SATA drive. Also, apparently I'm not the only person to have found that if sda is also the Setup boot drive, then a linux installation on sdb will alter sda's MBR. I still don't understand all I know on this, but I'm going to continue to be a pragmatist: If it works, use it. Again, Thanks to all who responded, Mark Jarvis Eric Shubert wrote: So would you care to fill us in a bit? Mark Jarvis wrote: Thanks to all those who have responded. I think that I now have a pretty fair idea of the way Linux today assigns device labels. Also, when I re-booted after updating my system, the file browser dropped the ghosts and found the new SATA drive OK, so that problem went away. Once again, thanks to all who responded. -mj- Mark Jarvis wrote: Up until a couple of days ago, I had 3 EIDE drives and POST reported my hard drives: IDE Channel 0 Master a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slavea DVD IDE Channel 2 Master None IDE Channel 3 Master None Simplifying things, channel 0 Master has my Windows Installation, Channel 0 Slave my Linux stuff, and Channel 1 Master is a backup/clone of Channel 0 Master. Ubuntu sees the three drives as sda, sdb, and sdc. Monday I picked up a couple of 1.0 TB SATA drives. Starting slowly, I added one to Channel 2. I cloned the Windows drive (Channel 0 Master) to it, pulled the power plug on Channel 0 Master, and changed the boot sequence in Setup. I also changed the label on one of the partitions on the new drive. POST reports: IDE Channel 0 Master None IDE Channel 0 Slave a 120 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Master a 160 GB drive IDE Channel 1 Slave a DVD IDE Channel 2 Master a SATA 1 TB drive IDE Channel 3 Master None Windows works pretty much OK. Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, I was surprised that Gnome's File Browser shows ghosts of the old channel 0 Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and does not show the new drive. I brought up Gnome's gparted. It saw the new drive just fine--as sda! I had expected almost anything--except sda. This is not a real work Linux installation and besides, /home is in a different partition, so I could just re-install and that would probably fix things, but I'd rather make what's there work correctly. Questions: 1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 3 show up as sda? 2) How can I kick Gnome's File Browser into dropping the ghosts and showing the contents of the new drive? I guess that all of my admin/reference books are out of date, because I can't find anything in them that helps. The MAN pages would probably help, but I don't know where to start. Any help, pointers to where I can find explanations, etc. will be much appreciated. Thanks, Mark Jarvis --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Captain, I think we're sinking
We we're talking about fire destroying servers a while back. Well check out this video from a datacenter in Istanbul when it floods. http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/09/16/1555252 I was surprised that they were still romping around with the electricity on in all that water. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: AES explained
I was even in the story. I was one of those guys shooting arrows from distributed.net lol _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dazed_75 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:56 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: AES explained A pretty amazing cartoon strip explains AES encryption. http://www.moserware.com/2009/09/stick-figure-guide-to-advanced.html -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: AES explained
LOL, I agree, I probably should have gone shopping with the stick figure before act 4. And who was that girl Poly something ? Wasn't she in that movie ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike havens Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:00 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: AES explained (the village idiot speaks) My brain hurts now! On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: I was even in the story. I was one of those guys shooting arrows from distributed.net lol _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dazed_75 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:56 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: AES explained A pretty amazing cartoon strip explains AES encryption. http://www.moserware.com/2009/09/stick-figure-guide-to-advanced.html -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: lost email
I've had times when trying to get my mail from gmail, that a connection problem happens, and the result is duplicate emails from various people. My guess would be that you had the same kind of connection problem and the email kept getting retransmitted, thus counted multiple times, and that possibly the final delivery recognized it as a duplicate and removed it. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Robert Holtzman Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: lost email On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:23:50AM -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: This one really has me snowed. I use fetchmail to d/l mail and route it through procmail with mailstat to track how many msgs are in what mailbox. For a while now I've noticed a discrepancy between the number shown in mailstat and the number in my mailboxes. Usually it's just a few msgs but this morning the difference was dramatic. Such as: mailstat msgs in showsmailbox sounder...23.3 /var/mai/holtzm...2914 INCOMING...6.3 ubuntu-users..2712 My procmail log agrees with mailstat. Unfortunately I didn't have verbose logging turned on, since rectified so I may know more next time. It doesn't seem to be an isp, fetchmail, or procmail problem. Right now I have no idea where to start troubleshooting. Searching on lost email turned up nothing close. If anyone can solve this, the beer is on me (that ought to get some action -:)) Which type of mailbox (maildir|mbox)? Are you using imap or pop3? pop3 and mbox. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Nokia N900
Here's the original discussion.. http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/lurker/thread/20090831.193415.5df4e42d.en.ht ml#20090831.193415.5df4e42d -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of stor...@storkus.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:46 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Nokia N900 I'm very surprised no one has brought this device up for discussion yet! It would appear to blow away the current Android and OpenMoko devices by packing a 600 MHz ARM proc, 256MB DRAM, a huge wad of flash, 802.11bg AND bluetooth, and--biggest of all--quad-band GSM AND a 3G radio compatible with T-Mobile USA. It also has USB2 and, curiously (I don't know exactly what it is) TV-Out. On the software side, it runs their distro called Maemo which, GUI-wise, has Qt at the core, though you can still run GTK apps like its predecessor the N810. It's almost entirely free software and hackable, one of the biggest ones that aren't is macromedia flash being included (presumably so you can play Youtube video--I couldn't see playing flash games on an ARM...). The way I (and a lot of others) see it, this is like the early OLPC's or eeepc's in terms of horsepower and (somewhat) memory. More than one person out there has suggested it could be used as a sort of hand-held file server. The geek in me is going even more nuts over buying this than the Sheevaplug since I could obviously do so much more with it. The few reviewers that have gotten their hands on it so far were mostly morons that obviously couldn't fathom the potential that could be unlocked from it. For instance, the keyboard gets griped at a lot. So? Get one of those roll-up USB keyboards from Thinkgeek: since it's a lightweight distro (Busybox was explicitly mentioned) and (hopefully full) kernel in there, I would presume that USBHID hasn't been neutered. So what do you all think? My current phone (a Motorola V3xx) is still working ok, and the N900 is nowhere near cheap...but, damn, it's making me drool! Should I get it or not? Are one of you planning on it? Mike P.S. Another thing not discussed here: Slackware-13's out. :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OCTOBER Foundation for Blind Children Security Series LAB
and take a road trip in my cash for clunker 35 mph car you mean MPG right ? I hope you didn't have to drive 35 mph all the way there. lol -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:14 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Cc: Randal L. Schwartz Subject: OCTOBER Foundation for Blind Children Security Series LAB I am representing PLUG ABELConf WIT at LinuxCon this week. Today is the pre-conference of LDAP and SELinux development, and I am very excited to hear Linux speak and see my old friend Randal Schwartz do Kermie as he hosts the LinuxFund party Tuesday night and does various interviews for FOSS weekly over the next few days. LinuxFoundation.org has discounted certification, which I think I might take advantage of, in addition to the great opportunity to return to the Pacific Northwet and take a road trip in my cash for clunker 35 mph car. October's Security Lab at the Foundation for Blind Children will be BackTrack4 Wireless 802.11 dissected. We expect a big turnout, but the Foundation has great facilities, so we look forward to seeing everyone there. http://plug.phoenix.az.us/node/661 -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com http://www.obnosis.com/bt4.html September BT4 HackFest Presentation Materials http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/gnu-people.jpg --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Linux Radio Ad's
Saw this on slashdot, it really sounds great, and is released under the creative commons share alike unported license. http://www.heliosinitiative.org/sounds/linuxraw.mp3 http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/tux-takes-to-airwve.html --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: RegEx question
Look at the second paragraph, I think it has what you are looking for. http://www.regular-expressions.info/ _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Paul Mooring Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:25 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RegEx question This is probably a really obvious question but how can I match everything up to a character not including that character with regex? For example: per...@email.tld = person m...@here.com = me --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: A nice blog on why to use OSS
Sun Fedral (not sure what the company does, but seems to be geared towards government stuff) President COO Sun Microsystems Federal, Inc. Sun makes computers, they run the Solaris operating system, and they can also run linux. Didn't the picture of him standing next to the Sun computer give it away. :-) _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Shawn Badger Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:22 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: A nice blog on why to use OSS I found a great little blog entry from the president of Sun Fedral (not sure what the company does, but seems to be geared towards government stuff). The article is broken up into 6 parts and starts out with security. http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_1_reason_to http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_2_reason http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_3_reason_to http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_4_reason_to http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/reason_no_5_to_move http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/reason_no_6_to_move or the original page http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: A nice blog on why to use OSS
LOL, and the open software he is really pushing is OpenSolaris One of those, If you can't beat em, join em, guys if you ask me. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Shawn Badger Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:44 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: A nice blog on why to use OSS I know who Sun Microsystems is, but I didn't put 2 and 2 together. The way he was talking about the security I got it stuck in my head that he was some type of banker for some reason. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Sun Fedral (not sure what the company does, but seems to be geared towards government stuff) President COO Sun Microsystems Federal, Inc. Sun makes computers, they run the Solaris operating system, and they can also run linux. Didn't the picture of him standing next to the Sun computer give it away. :-) _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Shawn Badger Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:22 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: A nice blog on why to use OSS I found a great little blog entry from the president of Sun Fedral (not sure what the company does, but seems to be geared towards government stuff). The article is broken up into 6 parts and starts out with security. http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_1_reason_to http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_2_reason http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_3_reason_to http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/the_no_4_reason_to http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/reason_no_5_to_move http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/entry/reason_no_6_to_move or the original page http://blogs.sun.com/BVass/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: 4 partitions
Well it's not really saying no. It's saying 0 (zero) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:06 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: 4 partitions i just really dislike computers telling me no... im mean fro real they are just a dumb (but very fast) calculator that can only add 1 and 0 and it has the nerve to say no? not a control freak per se, but i have my own special flavors of... quirks! On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:31 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: That and I'm a control freak and want it done MY WAY @$#*^%$@ !!! ha ha Boy, can I relate to that one... Would the real non-control-freak computer-geek please stand up! :) ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: 4 partitions
If you needed to and another partition, then you had some poor planning. I too, usually just use primary partitions. I've never needed to make another partition, because I partition and use the whole disk. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:39 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: 4 partitions Nathan England wrote: Nathan England wrote: Why? Who cares why? Is it possible or not? Do you have something useful to say or just a snappy question? Inquiring minds want to know. ;) I don't personally care to use logical partitions either and I would rather use 4 primary partitions. Why is that? What's the diff? Really. If you're not booting to one of the primary partitions, why make it primary in the first place? Who cares? Is there some reason? Or is it just prettier to have your partitions numbered 1,2,3,4 instead of 1,2,3,5? I don't have any particular reason, other than since I started with linux in late '91 I have done it that way. I'm used to partitioning my systems that way. That and I'm a control freak and want it done MY WAY @$#*^%$@ !!! ha ha nathan I suppose you never came into a situation where you needed to add another partition and couldn't because all of your primaries were used up. I have, so now I use an extended partition. ;) AFAIK, there is no good reason to make 1-4 all primaries. I just wanted to see if I had missed something. Since anaconda does it the way it does, I would bet that there's a good reason to do it the way anaconda's doing it. Of course it goes without saying that the dos partition scheme is pretty retarded to begin with by today's standards. ;) -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Invisible Text
Could it have anything to do with the Theme ?? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Matthew A Coulliette Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:36 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Invisible Text Benjamin, Matthew A Coulliette wrote: I uninstalled anything with Compiz in the name, using Synaptic. This did not fix it completely, however, it is about 90% better. Thanks. I am still having problems with my menu text turning invisible. If I click on that menu once or twice it will return to normal black text. Un-installing Compiz had less effect than I previously thought. Do you know of anything else I can try? Thanks in advance. MatthewMPP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: back on the bike kick (again)
splat rdkil mv cp cat less more toor etc grep tcpip chgrp vi emacs tcsh mount _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of James Finstrom Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: OT: back on the bike kick (again) Well I ended up getting a 2006 Suzuki gs500f which rides awesome. So now I want to get a geeky vanity plate and all the good ones I came up eith were taken according to the servicearizona website. That said looking for some suggestions for a plate 5 chars or less Thanks, James --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: rsync and deleted files
Sorry about your files, I'll point out one mistake you did, that I see so often. A lot of people seem to backup to the same tape/disk/media every time they do a backup. I always ask them, what happens if in the middle of that backup, you system dies. You are now left with a dead system and an incomplete backup, you just overwrote you good backup killing it when the system died. You should always rotate your backup media, just so this kind of thing doesn't happen. I know it doesn't help now, but I'm sure you'll never let it happen again. One thought about your lost data, is it possible you forgot to mount your USB drive, so could you backups have gone into /media/320GB/naubrey/ on the original drive ??? Hopefully. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Nathan England Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:34 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: rsync and deleted files I plugged my USB drive into my system, ran my backup script and went to supper. My backup script contains rsync -avz --delete-after /home/naubrey/ /media/320GB/naubrey/ Usually, it works great. Problem is my /home/naubrey/ directory on my system was EMPTY and it wiped out my backup I just wiped my work laptop and reinstalled, but I had not copied my user directory stuff back because I needed to make some additional changes. I made the changes and wanted to back up the changes, forgetting my user directory was included in my all_inclusive backup script... The USB drive is ext2 and when I came back I immediately unmounted and mounted ro. This is a typical user directory with 60GB of text files, abiword files, kword files, OpenOffice files, mp3, ogg, about 100 avi dvds, and thousands of notes... Some files were only 2 k others were over 1GB. As I have never attempted recovery of deleted files because I am (99% of the time) very vigilante about my backups. I design backup systems for customers ha ha What utilities or programs are there that might automate this as I really don't care to sit and tell the system to recover this inode, and yes, this inode, and again y to this inode as there are well over 200,000 files. Thanks for any help, insights, condolences!!! nathan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Re: topics for east side this Thursday?
LOL, it sounds like you're busting to hold it in, I bet if we keep asking you might spill it now. :) But if you manage to hold it in, a podcast for the west siders would be nice. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jim March Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:11 PM To: Lyle Tuttle; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Re: topics for east side this Thursday? Lemme clarify what's going on, as much as I can at the moment. We have an opportunity to make a real difference in elections...on a national scale. I'll be able to outline what's up in more detail Thursday, in a fairly short fashion. This isn't just about doing a presentation at ABLEConf...it's about actually doing something important. Enough so that it might attract media attention. I'll be there Thurs. and let you know what's up. Jim --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: rsync and deleted files
You could check out parted magic, it has lots of programs to manage disks. ext3grep, sounds like if could help. here's a list of programs included http://partedmagic.com/programs.html -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Matt Graham Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:00 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: rsync and deleted files From: GK gm5...@gmail.com Try ddrescue since the partition wasn't journalized you have a higher margin of success in recovering it. What? ddrescue is for getting around problems with failing hardware, not for undeleting files on an ext2fs. It won't help with the OP's problem unless they've significantly changed the project's goals in the last few years. There are plenty of things about undeleting files on an ext2fs, but the top Google hit is from 2002 and contains a link to an undelete tool. It might work. If you have enough disk space, just dd the hosed disk to a file somewhere and try whatever undelete tool you like on that file. That way, if the tool fails miserably, you can start over with a different tool (or different parameters) and see if that works better. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Linux losing stability?
Not to mention this, but what is he comparing the stability to ? Windows ? If he's saying people won't use linux because of stability issues, then why are people using windows ? Talk about stability issues. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:41 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux losing stability? On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 21:38 -0700, Dazed_75 wrote: On the other hand, I tend to agree with most of what he says taken literally. IOW, it is NOT Linux that lacks stability (I think the title was intended to provoke). And while it would be ideal if the ever changing AND improving desktop experience is hugely beneficial, the missed details do not help us gain mass acceptance. The desktop market that Linux is entering into is definitely not stable. Many packages on the desktop platform are in the 0.x.x phase, meaning they are not full production releases (take compiz for example). So, compiz is a 3D desktop and people think AWESOME!. And it's really cool...when it works. BUT, it is not stable. Many pieces of software designed to enhance the user experience are very much in beta phases but are included in full releases. Linux is being hurt by this because people will come to know it as unstable, which could bleed over to the server market. Look at XSane in Ubuntu 8.04...release version is 0.995. However, works great for me. But does it work great for thousands of others? Why is it not full production release yet after it's been in development for over a decade now? Then you got people jumping the gun on production releases, such as the network manager problem people have quoted. We're at 7.x and it's still not stable? But there's another argument that is all too good. You didn't pay for a Linux distro...you paid for others, and the stability is equal. So, when you take all that into account, you're not *paying to be a beta tester* with Linux distros. And that's the key difference. But that excuse will only last for so long. Remember, Linux has a huge shortcoming on the Desktop: Gaming. Until gaming is embraced in Linux, the home user is out of reach. (Although I do remember seeing an advertisement for a Diablo-like game that is coming out soon. Forgot what that was.) That's my take on the whole thing. The author is right..there is instability. But the author didn't take into account that even on the desktop, Linux is just as stable as Windows and Mac. The same problems plague them all. And I didn't bring viruses into the discussion yet for a reason. :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: LAN speed in Ubuntu 9.04
You also don't specify if it's lan to lan, or internet speed, if lan to lan what are the speeds of the nics -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:51 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: LAN speed in Ubuntu 9.04 AZ RUNE wrote: My buddy has an HP notebook (recent model 14.1 inch screen) that when he uses the ethernet port it goes slow. I know how to set wireless speeds but is there a way to LAN ethernet at 100/1000? Thanks, Brian What are you seeing that leads you to conclude that it goes slow? Ethernet ports typically negotiate the highest speed automatically. Note, GigE ports often don't achieve full speed, due to slower bus speed (the NIC is no longer the slowest link in the chain). -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: (sorta) Penguin Trivia
Kinda like a Ted Kennedy funeral... Wait for it.. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: OT: (sorta) Penguin Trivia Did you ever wonder why there are no dead penguins on the ice in Antarctica - Where do they go? Well, wonder no more!!! It's a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic bird who lives an extremely ordered and complex life. Also, the penguin is very committed to its family and will mate for life, as well as maintaining a form of compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life. If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of the family and social circle have been known to dig holes in the ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks. They'll dig until the hole is deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled in and buried. The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and they sing...Freeze a jolly good fellow. Then they kick him in the ice hole. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeks Emergency Control of the Internet
Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In another sense we do all own land. USA is our land. So we all have the right to vote on property issues. It's not that they have nothing to lose, they have everything to gain as everyone should. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of James Finstrom Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:01 AM To: dorian.mon...@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeks Emergency Control of the Internet I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on property tax and other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land issues. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe dorian.mon...@cox.net wrote: In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote is so absurd that many would consider that racist. I took Ryan's reply to be merely mocking the ignorance (and racist undertone) that only landowners should be given the right to vote. Since we're pointing fingers and all... I bit on the flame bait. I promise not to comment any more! :) Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:59:21 To: phrkonale...@gmail.com; Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us; plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: configure a test SSL
Here's another page http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of keith smith Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:37 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: configure a test SSL Hi I am running Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old) Apache/2.2.0 Local. I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private IP and used for testing. Is there a way to configure a test SSL? Thanks in advance! Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Time to Trade in My Blackberry
Call features * Integrated hands-free stereo speakers * Call waiting, call hold, call divert * Call timer * Logging of dialed, received and missed calls * Speed dialing via contact widget * Virbrating alert (internal) * Side volume keys * Mute/unmute * Contacts with images * Conference calling with up to 3 participants * Internet calling Email Messaging * Supported protocols: Mail for Exchange, IMAP, POP3, SMTP * Support for email attachments * Support for rich HTML * SMS and Instant Messages as conversations * Support for Nokia Messaging service * Instant messaging and presence enhanced contacts * Multiple number, email and Instant Messaging details per contact, contacts with images * Support for assigning images to contacts Web browsing * Maemo browser powered by Mozilla technology * Adobe FlashT 9.4 support * Full screen browsing -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:22 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Time to Trade in My Blackberry David Huerta wrote: With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm? As far as the phone's overall price though, that's likely to be subsidized by a carrier's contract, which can sometimes knock off most of the phone's MSRP. Give away the razor, sell the blades... Are iFoners afraid of razorblades? _ Is this an actual -phone-? I got the impression that it was like a Palm Tungsten W with the 3G connection simply for data -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: Elbonics, n.: The actions of two people maneuvering for one armrest in a movie theatre. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Time to Trade in My Blackberry
Oops and this Operating frequency * Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 * WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:22 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Time to Trade in My Blackberry David Huerta wrote: With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm? As far as the phone's overall price though, that's likely to be subsidized by a carrier's contract, which can sometimes knock off most of the phone's MSRP. Give away the razor, sell the blades... Are iFoners afraid of razorblades? _ Is this an actual -phone-? I got the impression that it was like a Palm Tungsten W with the 3G connection simply for data -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: Elbonics, n.: The actions of two people maneuvering for one armrest in a movie theatre. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Time to Trade in My Blackberry
Over time you will learn to be patient grasshopper. lol -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Time to Trade in My Blackberry Bob Elzer wrote: By then maybe the 901 or 902, which will have even more capabilities for you to look forward to. And time to save money for the hopefully dropping price :) But, but... I want my goodies now :) I really wanted to get a Palm Pre, because I'm a palm whore and it's a beautiful device, but the thing was on Sprint, and the Simply Everything plan should be renamed the Simply Ridiculously Expensive plan... I couldn't afford it if I had two jobs :( I ended up with a Verizon feature phone. Ryan -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan [Rix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:45 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Time to Trade in My Blackberry Fail :/ I'm a Verizon-slave for the next two years :( Ryan Bob Elzer wrote: Call features * Integrated hands-free stereo speakers * Call waiting, call hold, call divert * Call timer * Logging of dialed, received and missed calls * Speed dialing via contact widget * Virbrating alert (internal) * Side volume keys * Mute/unmute * Contacts with images * Conference calling with up to 3 participants * Internet calling Email Messaging * Supported protocols: Mail for Exchange, IMAP, POP3, SMTP * Support for email attachments * Support for rich HTML * SMS and Instant Messages as conversations * Support for Nokia Messaging service * Instant messaging and presence enhanced contacts * Multiple number, email and Instant Messaging details per contact, contacts with images * Support for assigning images to contacts Web browsing * Maemo browser powered by Mozilla technology * Adobe FlashT 9.4 support * Full screen browsing -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan [Rix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:22 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Time to Trade in My Blackberry David Huerta wrote: With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm? As far as the phone's overall price though, that's likely to be subsidized by a carrier's contract, which can sometimes knock off most of the phone's MSRP. Give away the razor, sell the blades... Are iFoners afraid of razorblades? _ Is this an actual -phone-? I got the impression that it was like a Palm Tungsten W with the 3G connection simply for data -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: Elbonics, n.: The actions of two people maneuvering for one armrest in a movie theatre. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: Smear the road with a runner!! http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: A pessimist is a man who has been compelled to live with an optimist. -- Elbert Hubbard http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
RE: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeksEmergency Control of the Internet
Don't let the email hit you in the butt Sorry I couldn't resist. You could have ignored the thread, it's pretty much a warning with the topic POLITICS/ETHICS _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jon M. Hanson Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:28 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeksEmergency Control of the Internet Here we go again. Can you guys please exercise some restraint before posting political messages (or any other widely off-topic message) to a Linux list? You're not going to change anyone's mind, this is not a political debate forum and, while this may seem curt, no one cares what your opinion is but you. I certainly didn't sign up for this list for the endless off-topic posts. I think I'll be unsubscribing. --- Jon M. Hanson (N7ZVJ) Homepage: http://the-hansons-az.net/drupal Jabber IM: j...@the-hansons-az.net On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Lyle Tuttle wrote: Unfortunately, this is what it is turning into: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SYNR=1feature=fvwp NR=1feature=fvwp lyle At 05:48 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In another sense we do all own land. USA is our land. my contribution to this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE -jmz So we all have the right to vote on property issues. It's not that they have nothing to lose, they have everything to gain as everyone should. From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [ mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us ] On Behalf Of James Finstrom Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:01 AM To: dorian.mon...@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeks Emergency Control of the Internet I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on property tax and other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land issues. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe dorian.mon...@cox.net wrote: In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote is so absurd that many would consider that racist. I took Ryan's reply to be merely mocking the ignorance (and racist undertone) that only landowners should be given the right to vote. Since we're pointing fingers and all... I bit on the flame bait. I promise not to comment any more! :) Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:59:21 To: phrkonale...@gmail.com; Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us; plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com http://rhinoequipment.com/ ~ http://postug.com http://postug.com/ Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - ObamaAdministrationSeeksEmergency Control of the Internet
I think that credit goes to Woody ! -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:55 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - ObamaAdministrationSeeksEmergency Control of the Internet On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Lisa Kacholdlisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Quite true! If I can't abide long winded discussions on how to Gnome-keyring or another 10 step process well documented on Ubuntu and Fedora boards, I simply don't open them! There is also an OT version of the mail thread created by Ryan Rix. The thread took 44 responses, and good ideas were brought forth, since none of this subject is simply IT, which permeats everything, and has the ability to change us all, it's well attended. I get no credit for the Woody Guthrie song? ;) -jmz On 8/31/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Don't let the email hit you in the butt Sorry I couldn't resist. You could have ignored the thread, it's pretty much a warning with the topic POLITICS/ETHICS _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jon M. Hanson Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:28 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeksEmergency Control of the Internet Here we go again. Can you guys please exercise some restraint before posting political messages (or any other widely off-topic message) to a Linux list? You're not going to change anyone's mind, this is not a political debate forum and, while this may seem curt, no one cares what your opinion is but you. I certainly didn't sign up for this list for the endless off-topic posts. I think I'll be unsubscribing. --- Jon M. Hanson (N7ZVJ) Homepage: http://the-hansons-az.net/drupal Jabber IM: j...@the-hansons-az.net On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Lyle Tuttle wrote: Unfortunately, this is what it is turning into: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SYNR=1feature=fvwp NR=1feature=fvwp lyle At 05:48 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In another sense we do all own land. USA is our land. my contribution to this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE -jmz So we all have the right to vote on property issues. It's not that they have nothing to lose, they have everything to gain as everyone should. From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [ mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us ] On Behalf Of James Finstrom Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:01 AM To: dorian.mon...@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeks Emergency Control of the Internet I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on property tax and other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land issues. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe dorian.mon...@cox.net wrote: In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote is so absurd that many would consider that racist. I took Ryan's reply to be merely mocking the ignorance (and racist undertone) that only landowners should be given the right to vote. Since we're pointing fingers and all... I bit on the flame bait. I promise not to comment any more! :) Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:59:21 To: phrkonale...@gmail.com; Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us; plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com http://rhinoequipment.com/ ~ http://postug.com http://postug.com/ Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment
RE: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
-Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:08 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet Yes, we have no say - accept the Matrix for what it is. Freedum, Serfdom, Fiefdom - Don't trust anything with a dum on the end of it. The only freedom we have is through responsibility -John Trudel Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM! -- William Wallace --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Need a new laptop ?
http://www.itworld.com/government/75885/fbi-investigating-laptops-sent-us-g overnors http://www.itworld.com/government/75885/fbi-investigating-laptops-sent-us-go vernors Correct link, unless Outlook breaks it again. www.itworld.com/government/75885/fbi-investigating-laptops-sent-us-governors _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Marco Savo Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:13 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Need a new laptop ? The link is broken On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: FBI investigating laptops sent to US governors http://www.itworld.com/government/75885/fbi-investigating-laptops-sent-us-go vernors How do I get on the list for a new laptop :-) We could just wipe them and install linux. I'm declaring myself as Governor of 147th Dr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- 'The Magic Is In the Movement' Marco Savo SW Engineer 882 East Glenn St. Tucson, AZ 85719 +1 (520) 248-5681 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Automount in Gnome
I'm reading this late, so if it was already answered sorry. I think you answered your own question. You say you are running startx as a normal user, and then it doesn't work unless you log in as root. Or it works when you start gdm in a root console. Something requires root to make automount work, so for instance if you had the gui start in the inittab, then root would start what it needed to. Something that needs root doesn't get it when you run startx as a regular user. Try running startx from root, and login as a regular user and see if that works. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:43 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Automount in Gnome -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I built a new normal user and tried it there and got the same results as I do with my original normal user. Now I need to provide some more details because I found a solution to the problem so it seems. I usually like to get into gnome by typing 'startx' from a native text console. When I do it this way, I get the problems I've been writing about for the past several days. Now if I use 'gdm' by starting it up from a root console and then login with the normal user, I get automount functionality back. I thought gnome would basically operate the same way once someone is logged in regardless of how they got there. Like I said before, My knowledge of gnome internal is next to none. so don't know much about really getting everything out of that environment yet. It does seem strange to me that normal users have to have logged in via gdm to get this automount stuff to work but if root loggs in via startx then automount works strait away. Sound confusing enough? On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:18:47AM -0700, Dazed_75 wrote: I apologize if you have already tried this (I deleted some of the earlier messages after reading them). But have you tried creating another normal user and logging in as that user to see what happens when you plug the USB device in? If that works, the problem is fairly certain to be in some setting or conflict for your usual user only. If it does not the problem is likely something to do with how normal users are defined in your system and their permissions to do things. The ability for a normal user to use removable [and writeable] devices which would commonly be denied to normal users in some environments. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Steve Holmes st...@holmesgrown.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Yes I followed the suggestions and updated hal and udev from the testing repo but still no go. Strangely, it works fine if I login as root but from my normal user account, it just goes as far as finding and identifying the device but it won't mount to save its life. In fact, if I go to Computer, the device shows up in the list of volume names but if I right click and attempt to mount, it just ignores it. Yet if root plugs in the device, it comes up in the Nautilus view without a problem. I can then leave it plugged in and logout from root and log back in with mynormal account and the drive is still accessible but mounted under root. I guess logging out of gnome doesn't unmount the drive; not sure what is supposed to happen there. I don't know enough about gnome internals to know where to look further. So more help would be greately appreciated. BTW, thanks for the link though; that gave me something to try. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 06:35:41AM -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: Have you seen this? http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=77716 Steve Holmes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I have a question and a problem here with the automounting of drives and media in Gnome. Let me try and sort out what I know here. On my normal user account, when I plug in a USB drive of any kind, the automount feature of gnome doesn't take hold. HAL discovers it ok and even will build the sym links in /dev/disk/by-label but gnome won't pick this up and make it available. All the volume and removable device options are set properly. Now I just tried logging into gnome this morning from my root account and there, the device automounted and everything seemed to work great. I guess there is a difference between my normal user's settings and root's. Where can I find the settings in conf files or whatever to possibly fix this automount problem? I'm running 2.6.30 kernel on an Arch Linux system with latest updates which includes Gnome 2.26 right now. Any help or ideas? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
OT: Need a new laptop ?
FBI investigating laptops sent to US governors http://www.itworld.com/government/75885/fbi-investigating-laptops-sent-us-go vernors How do I get on the list for a new laptop :-) We could just wipe them and install linux. I'm declaring myself as Governor of 147th Dr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: 2.6.31 kernel
Where can I pick up some 16TB chips to test this out, I need 4 of them. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:20 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: 2.6.31 kernel Dazed_75 wrote: Something of an understatement? LOL *Architecture code:* - From 2.6.31http://git.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git; a=commitdiff;h=c898faf91b3ec6b0f6efa35831b3984fa3331db0, Linux will address 2^46 instead of 2^44 bytes of RAM on x86-64 CPUs - however, this currently affects very few people, as systems offering 16 to 64 Tbytes of RAM are still rather rare. Now THAT is a useful patch. Twenty years from now. :D -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: This isn't brain surgery; it's just television. - David Letterman http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: LVM extension into new space and partition edits
You may also want to look at mondo rescue. It can make a bare metal backup and restore. I haven't tried, but supposedly you can resize the partitions on restore. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:33 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: LVM extension into new space and partition edits On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Lisa Kacholdlisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Yes, test it on one of the mirrors (don't believe these guys! [laugh])... But of course mirroring a 250 yields another 250? Course you should just be able to add one TB at a time via the hardware RAID tools: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/07/step-by-step-guide-to-configure-ha rdware-raid-on-dell-servers-with-screenshots/ Unless you have a perc 6i: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/05/dell-tutorial-create-raid-using-pe rc-6i-integrated-bios-configuration-utility/ Of course,I would dd the current disk image to backup (across the network or on a USB external drive) after booting into a Knoppix pendrive/LiveCD before starting anything so you can get it back. Once you have expanded your RAID 1 with 2Tb, you can add it back and resize: http://www.cclug.org/wiki/Main/KnoppixTricks I like to manipulate my img files in addition to hardware RAID before backup -- too many years of Perc - olation failures! Thanks for all the great discussion and advice! I am planning ahead for this expansion of space. We need it badly but not so badly that we want to rush and risk data! I was going to do it on Saturday but that's Phoenix Bar Camp[1] so maybe the Saturday after that. Or a long, late night this week. The best advice I had not thought of was to test it. Duh! I'll be doing a test first to make sure I'm good with the process. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date?
Are you running ntpdate as root ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:17 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? I ran the following: ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com and it looked for and found both hosts but then just sits there with no other output. -- Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Cope Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? You can force an update, instead of waiting on the incremental changes. But, as noted below, it may affect services. Eric On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jon M. Hanson j...@the-hansons-az.net wrote: ntp also adjusts your clock gradually so it won't immediately jump to the correct time. This is to prevent problems with services (like cron and logging) that depend on a clock that doesn't suddenly change. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: Try tailing /var/log/messages (you said this was fedora, right?) when you start up the ntp daemon. It can take a while (1 minute sometimes) for the time servers to synchronize, but you should see some log activity during that time to show you that it's working. alex On Aug 25, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Steven A. DuChene wrote: Hmm, so I did the following: # iptables -A input_ext -p tcp -m tcp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT and then tried starting ntp services again but it still seems to hang when trying to get the initial date and time. So adding a rule to the firewall for tcp access on port 123 seems to have made no difference to my problem. nuts... -- Steve -Original Message- From: kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com Sent: Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM To: Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? From /etc/services ntp 123/tcp ntp 123/udp # Network Time Protocol I would use ntp instead of udp, and if it doesn't work, take a dump... :) ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date?
Does the cox modem have the ability to act as the ntp server ? If it does, than you could sync to it. Brand/Model of the cox modem ??? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:50 PM To: Alex Dean; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the time on my system is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot get any sort of reply from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to? -- Steve -Original Message- From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:45 PM To: Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? How far off is your current time from the ntp server's time? If they're way out of whack, I think ntp will refuse to synchronize. I forget how large of a disparity it will handle, but if they're an entire hour different, it might just do nothing. I'd expect an error message in that case, though. Try setting the system time with 'date' to something close to the ntp server's time, then start up the ntp process again. alex On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Steven A. DuChene wrote: Hmm, Here it never starts doing those transmit packets after locating the servers. I just tried it with the firewall turned off and I still get the same result so it must not be the firewall. I am on a Cox cable modem. I wonder if Cox blocks NTP on their network? -- Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? Here's what I get on a test server of mine: [r...@dellefield ~]# ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com 25 Aug 12:28:28 ntpdate[6149]: ntpdate 4.2@1.1570-o Tue May 19 13:58:06 UTC 2009 (1) Looking for host dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us and service ntp host found : dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us Looking for host ntp.drydog.com and service ntp host found : rrcs-66-27-60-10.west.biz.rr.com transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) server 148.167.132.200, port 123 stratum 2, precision -20, leap 00, trust 000 refid [148.167.132.200], delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126 transmitted 4, in filter 4 reference time:ce3eb3eb.9159d1f0 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:03:07.567 originate timestamp: ce3eb9de.49e55521 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.288 transmit timestamp: ce3eb9de.43a0f909 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.264 filter delay: 0.11383 0.13196 0.11774 0.09081 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 filter offset: 0.002299 0.012727 0.005610 -0.00813 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126 offset -0.008137 server 66.27.60.10, port 123 stratum 2, precision -21, leap 00, trust 000 refid [66.27.60.10], delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227 transmitted 4, in filter 4 reference time:ce3eb980.f314d607 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:26:56.949 originate timestamp: ce3eb9df.19cc Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:31.100 transmit timestamp: ce3eb9de.f711a543 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.965 filter delay: 0.29257 0.28622 0.28584 0.30823 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 filter offset: 0.002869 0.004561 0.005198 -0.00578 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227 offset 0.005198 25 Aug 12:28:31 ntpdate[6149]: adjust time server 148.167.132.200 offset -0.008137 sec [r...@dellefield ~]# So the ntp servers are ok. Are you in a position to stop the firewall momentarily for a test to be sure that's where your blockage is? Steven A. DuChene wrote: I ran the following: ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com and it looked for and found both hosts but then just sits there with no other output. -- Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Cope Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? You can force an update, instead of waiting on the incremental changes. But, as noted below, it may affect services. Eric On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jon M. Hanson j...@the-hansons-az.net mailto:j...@the-hansons-az.net wrote: ntp also adjusts your clock gradually so it won't
RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date?
try syncing to ntp.cox.net, found this while googling, not sure if it will work or not, try pinging it first maybe. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:50 PM To: Alex Dean; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the time on my system is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot get any sort of reply from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to? -- Steve -Original Message- From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:45 PM To: Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? How far off is your current time from the ntp server's time? If they're way out of whack, I think ntp will refuse to synchronize. I forget how large of a disparity it will handle, but if they're an entire hour different, it might just do nothing. I'd expect an error message in that case, though. Try setting the system time with 'date' to something close to the ntp server's time, then start up the ntp process again. alex On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Steven A. DuChene wrote: Hmm, Here it never starts doing those transmit packets after locating the servers. I just tried it with the firewall turned off and I still get the same result so it must not be the firewall. I am on a Cox cable modem. I wonder if Cox blocks NTP on their network? -- Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? Here's what I get on a test server of mine: [r...@dellefield ~]# ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com 25 Aug 12:28:28 ntpdate[6149]: ntpdate 4.2@1.1570-o Tue May 19 13:58:06 UTC 2009 (1) Looking for host dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us and service ntp host found : dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us Looking for host ntp.drydog.com and service ntp host found : rrcs-66-27-60-10.west.biz.rr.com transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(148.167.132.200) transmit(148.167.132.200) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) receive(66.27.60.10) transmit(66.27.60.10) server 148.167.132.200, port 123 stratum 2, precision -20, leap 00, trust 000 refid [148.167.132.200], delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126 transmitted 4, in filter 4 reference time:ce3eb3eb.9159d1f0 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:03:07.567 originate timestamp: ce3eb9de.49e55521 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.288 transmit timestamp: ce3eb9de.43a0f909 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.264 filter delay: 0.11383 0.13196 0.11774 0.09081 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 filter offset: 0.002299 0.012727 0.005610 -0.00813 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126 offset -0.008137 server 66.27.60.10, port 123 stratum 2, precision -21, leap 00, trust 000 refid [66.27.60.10], delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227 transmitted 4, in filter 4 reference time:ce3eb980.f314d607 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:26:56.949 originate timestamp: ce3eb9df.19cc Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:31.100 transmit timestamp: ce3eb9de.f711a543 Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.965 filter delay: 0.29257 0.28622 0.28584 0.30823 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 filter offset: 0.002869 0.004561 0.005198 -0.00578 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227 offset 0.005198 25 Aug 12:28:31 ntpdate[6149]: adjust time server 148.167.132.200 offset -0.008137 sec [r...@dellefield ~]# So the ntp servers are ok. Are you in a position to stop the firewall momentarily for a test to be sure that's where your blockage is? Steven A. DuChene wrote: I ran the following: ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com and it looked for and found both hosts but then just sits there with no other output. -- Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Cope Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? You can force an update, instead of waiting on the incremental changes. But, as noted below, it may affect services. Eric On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jon M. Hanson j...@the-hansons-az.net mailto:j...@the-hansons-az.net wrote: ntp also adjusts your clock gradually so it won't immediately jump to
RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date?
yes it should show the servers you connect with. Maybe your config file is messed up somehow, maybe you can show us the contents. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? OK, I may be wrong again. If I start ntpd by hand on my gateway/firewall system it does indeed start and I am able to sync to that system from the other client systems on my network but when I do a ntpq on it and type peers the only thing listed there is the LOCAL (0) one. Unless I am mistaken it should also list the two other ntp servers I have configured in the ntp.conf file. Right? -Original Message- From: Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com Sent: Aug 25, 2009 4:28 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? I mis-spoke below. It is not the cable modem thata has a time display but rather the cable TV box that has nothing to do with my network. I have discovered something else. If I start ntpd by hand on my external gateway server (the SuSE-10.1 system), it seems to work just fine. It seems to synchronize with the ntp servers and provides replies to my local network systems. It seems that is is just the actual ntpdate command to those external servers that does not function and hangs everytime I try it. My guess is if I commented out the calls to ntpdate in the ntp init script everything would function just fine. Why would ntpd connect and work fine but ntpdate will not function? -- Steve -Original Message- From: Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:50 PM To: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the time on my system is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot get any sort of reply from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to? -- Steve --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date?
Show us the conf file and we can probably tell you why -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:52 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? OK, but why would I have the problem with ntpdate too? It does not use the ntp.conf file as far as I can tell. I think it is some sort of network problem but here is the ntp.conf file anyway. -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net Sent: Aug 25, 2009 5:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? Sounding to me like there might be a problem in your ntp.conf file. Can we have a look at it? Steven A. DuChene wrote: And after each of those lines shown below is a line that says: addto_syslog: configuration of 148.167.132.200 failed addto_syslog: configuration of 66.27.60.10 failed Any ideas? I am going to google this and see if anything pops up. -- Steve --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date?
P.S. you might have to move the fudge line after your server lines. IF you read the comments, 127.127 are radio and modem clocks and connect through serial or peripheral bus So it looks like it was trying to connect to a local device, which I'm sure you don't have. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:52 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? OK, but why would I have the problem with ntpdate too? It does not use the ntp.conf file as far as I can tell. I think it is some sort of network problem but here is the ntp.conf file anyway. -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net Sent: Aug 25, 2009 5:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone clock/date? Sounding to me like there might be a problem in your ntp.conf file. Can we have a look at it? Steven A. DuChene wrote: And after each of those lines shown below is a line that says: addto_syslog: configuration of 148.167.132.200 failed addto_syslog: configuration of 66.27.60.10 failed Any ideas? I am going to google this and see if anything pops up. -- Steve --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date? more info
Did you make the changes I suggested to the conf file ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven A. DuChene Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:58 PM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: correct way to set timezone clock/date? more info OK, I ran the ntpdate command within strace and got the output attached. It seems to be sitting there polling for something and never receiving a reply. At least that is what I see. Anyone else see anything different? Or have any idea why the poll never completes or gets a result? And what exactly is it polling for? -- Steve --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: What laptop to get to replace my 15 macbook?
How much did you spend on the Macbook, and how much do you want to spend on a new laptop ? What are your preferences, what does it have to have, or not have, and what do you want to do with it ? -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Josef Lowder Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:25 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: What laptop to get to replace my 15 macbook? Based on the very positive and enthusiastic comments from so many people (including several of my good plug friends), I recently purchased a 15 Macbook, thinking that it might be the way to go. While the Mac is a very appealing product in many ways with many outstanding features, I have finally come to the conclusion that the disadvantages (to me) far outweigh the positives. So I am now thinking of selling it and looking for something more sensible in the real world. Therefore, once again, I am seeking input from the collective wisdom of this esteemed group. The simple, but (to me) major drawbacks of the Mac (not to mention their proprietary impositions that seem to be even worse than M$), are as follows: 1. The keyboard layout that forces that screwy Mac/Apple X key on users in lieu of simply using the CTRL key ... and then positioning that weird mac key in such a terribly awkward place. 2. Putting the FN key where the CTRL key should be (and is on every other computer keyboard) is really stupid. Bottom-farthest left is the *only* place (from an anatomically logical standpoint) where the CTRL key should be (imho). 3. Failure to totally eliminate the caps-lock key (of course I guess all keyboard mfrs still remain guilty of this ridiculous failing, at this point). However, I seem to accidentally hit it more on the mac than on my other keyboards ... I guess because on the mac it seems to be slightly oversized. Why? Duh! 4. The absolutely ridiculous limitation of being forced to the bottom right corner of every window as the *only* way to resize windows. That might be the most stupid of all Mac contrary-to-all-common-sense features. And apparently no way that I can find to maximize a window. 5. The needlessly glitzy but cumbersome dock. 6. The lack of a simple text editor ... one that doesn't force the use of html or rtf. 7. Most of the *nix command-line commands and utilities that I am used to using do not seem to work on Mac OS-X 8. While I like the slot drive rather than a DVD drive that slides open, I do (not) like having it on the front. Has that changed on newer models? 9. And as for being intuitive ... I've tried for a week to get the hang of using a Mac and almost everything that I am used to doing on my normal computers, I find almost impossible to figure out on a mac. The 529-page How to do everything Mac doesn't ... and if mac is so intuitive why should it need a 529-page book to explain how to use it? In any case, I am now looking for a new (or used) laptop to replace this mac and get back to the real world. One that intrigues me is a new, single-core, lower-powered Asus that claims to have 8+ hours of battery life. It is also the only one I have seen so far that has lighted keys (the letters light up on the keys like the mac -- one of mac's truly great features). That seems to me to be a very desirable feature. Only problem is that that feature seems to be available only in a larger format Asus unit with a number keypad (that I do not want). So what do y'all recommend? I like the slot drive (on the right side), built-in camera, lighted keys, lightest and thinnest possible, a normal keyboard (no 10- pad), at least a 15 screen, preferrably matte not glossy, and long battery life. I want to install Linux as the base OS and use whatever virtual ware will allow me to install win98 (I do *not* want the all-intrusive, pop-up crazy winXP). PS: Anyone interested in trading for or buying a 15 macbook with 4-gig of ram? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...
The best way to upgrade an OS is to do a fresh install. Nobody can catch everything, these distro's have so much stuff included, there is bound to be some complications. If you are going to do the upgrade route, then I recommend Mondo Rescue. It can make a bare metal backup of your machine and if and when you find any problems that are deal breakers you can roll back. Another thing I always consider when I build a system, is where I put my data. I put all the data I want to keep on a separate disk (I.E. I create a link from /usr/local/ to /mydisk/local/ ) After a fresh install, it's easy to recreate the links There are still files I make copies of (I.E. /etc stuff and other things), I then have a list of files that need to be looked at in the new system. Doing these things makes a fresh install easier. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Michael Butash Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:42 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers... I just upgraded from ibex to jaunty and to Karmic on my laptop, and I've been having some major issues with it. No intel (thank goodness) to deal with, so can't attest to it. Suspend functions for me are now broken, gnome power manager is buggy at best, and my screen saver refuses to work. For a laptop these are killing me... VMware barely works with some hackery, and some of the alsa devices get figured out backward now. Even going from ibex to jaunty, network manager simply refused to adequately control the wireless hardware which was entirely a deal breaker, forcing me to roll the dice on karmic. This all from a perfectly working install in hardy or ibex. Otherwise, I am mostly pleased with the overall performance of it, definitely improved from Ibex. I'm assuming you did a clean install that everything works ok for you? Those typically work well for me too, but upgrades for me have been entirely crapshoots, which is really disappointing as otherwise I'm quite fond of ubuntu. I'm curious what success others have had here with upgrades, as the ubuntu forms tend to indicate it's a perpetual kludge of a process with destruction and mayhem as a result. I've always had major cleanup and fixage after a dist-upgrade. I long ago gave up on Fedora/RedHat when pretty much installing/upgrading/compiling any software just led to dependency hell. This has gotten somewhat better since yellowdog cloned apt with yum for RH-ish distros, but I'm still not ready to bother trying fedora again quite yet. If ubuntu keeps annoying me, perhaps I might. -mb On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 23:39 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Jim March1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I have a laptop with the mediocre Intel 965/X3100 chipset. In Ubuntu Jaunty it ran like a turd until major tweaks were applied, and the results weren't 100% stable. Jaunty came out right as the Intel video support was in flux and Jaunty basically caught about half of what was needed between the kernel, xorg, Intel driver, Mesa and Compiz. Karmic has the whole package. I've been running it for five days now, ever since alpha4 came out, and it's more solid (and FASTER) than I ever got out of Jaunty. I did a full re-install with the alternate installer (as I use whole disk encryption) and I went with Ext4 - it's working great. On a lark I loaded the 64bit Adobe Flash alpha and it's rock solid too - best flash Linux experience I've ever had, period, end of discussion. I think Karmic is going to be a really sweet Ubuntu flavor when it ships and the improvements in Intel video support are so amazingly vast I'd say anybody with at least moderate technical chops able to cope with minor pre-release glitches should switch NOW. I'm told the fixes also apply perfectly to the Intel 4500 chipset found on the newest el cheapo laptops. WARNING: this applies to all Intel video drivers except the GMA500 chipset. That thing is a major turd and will remain so until the Ubuntu distro post-Karmic at a minimum. The most common GMA500 machine is the Dell mini 10 I think it's called, and for some reason that thing is an excellent Hackintosh candidate. While I'm not normally a proponent of running Apple OSX on non-Apple hardware (as Apple is actively trying to stomp your install with updates!), the difference in support for the GMA500 between Linux generally and OSX is severe enough I'd consider it, at least until Intel helps get the driver situation under control. (The issue is, Intel recently bought the GMA500 tech from another company that was very Linux-hostile...Intel is getting it sorted out but it's just not done yet. That company did do some OSX drivers for Apple...) Fedora never had these problems :) *ducks*
RE: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...
Because my widget still relies on those square pegs, so that means everybody's widget has to be changed at the same time. Or it won't work. lol Oh and I'm still using that same widget I had back in 1980. But it still works. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:40 PM To: mich...@butash.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers... Michael Butash wrote: I guess I'm lame in assuming or expecting that if they're going to offer an upgrade function, that it work. Microsoft has punished people for 25 years thinking such heretical thoughts even trying to use their *upgrades* between os's, but it's nice to dream that one day it might just be reality with some os. Ubuntu has been about as close as I've found, though FreeBSD used to be really good about dist-upgrades too when it was my choice in server os. -mb Here's a thought; Why do distros even need 'releases' at all? If a constant update cycle was used, rather than one huge dist-upgrade, these problems would hardly ever arise... And when they did, it would be with one or two components, hopefully NOT mission critical, and could be fixed with five minutes of hunting and updating an /etc config file. installer ISOs could be generated weekly or so, or just be netinst images I guess Distrowatch would be out of business in that case. Upgrades suck, I reinstall ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
