Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government. Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist union. IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. ..snip. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Chase access w/ linux
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 06:24:45PM -0700, Matt Graham wrote: From: Robert Holtzman 3 computers, 2 operating systems, 2 versions of Firefox, 1 of iceweasel and 1 of Chrome all give me the same problem after trying to log into my account, a blank white screen with a rotating throbber and the message along the bottom Read mfasa.chase.com. Any extensions that might be doing weird things? I have to set NoScript to allow chase.com to execute JS--no JS, no accounts page and probably no login. I was just able to log in to my Chase account via FF on Gentoo. I *have* had the problem you describe, but it's always gone away after an hour or so, so I figured it was a server problem of some sort. As I said, I tried safe mode. Same problem. this is the only site that I have this problem with. Going to https://mfasa.chase.com/ in a browser gives me 1 line of cryptic diagnostic/monitoring text. What does it give you? Prod Core LPAR, cigp01b4a002 Auth2 Web -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Chase access w/ linux
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 02:42:59PM -0700, JD Austin wrote: I do have where it wants me to get an email and put in a code but otherwise no issues. I think I use the latest Firefox; if not the latest chrome. Thanks to JD, joe, and R P. That blows my theory. 3 computers, 2 operating systems, 2 versions of Firefox, 1 of iceweasel and 1 of Chrome all give me the same problem after trying to log into my account, a blank white screen with a rotating throbber and the message along the bottom Read mfasa.chase.com. I was just about convinced it was a web site problem, as this is the only site that I have this problem with. Before I breathed fire on Chase's tech support, I thought I'd check here. Played with browser preferences till I'm blue in the face and tried running in safe mode all with no luck. Oh, well. Another well thought out theory shot to Hell. Not the first, not the last. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: laptop battery cycling
On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 06:18:45PM -0700, keith smith wrote: I run 2 laptops all day - about 14 hours a day. I pulled both batteries. They are in my desk drawer where they have been for 4+ months. Your saying it is better to just leave the battery in the laptop at 100% than to remove it? I am? Where? I was asking for opinions, not advocating anything. I wonder what they life expectancy is? What would be your guess? That's what I'm asking. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
laptop battery cycling
For the record, I'm running a Lenovo T420i with a 6 cell battery. In the past I've been told that it's bad practice to run a laptop on AC with the battery installed because it would cause reduced battery capacity. This raises two questions. First, is it true that laptop batteries don't have overcharge protection, and second, how many cycles is a battery like mine good for? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Looking for Laptop Recommendations
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 09:43:19AM -0700, Dazed_75 wrote: I would think she should have at least 2 GB memory for that so the VM could have 1 GB. I'd also like to see at least a core 2 duo for better virtualization support and reduced power needs. I happened to be at ASU Surplus (SE corner of 101 and Rio Salato) the other day. I was not looking for a laptop, but I saw they had a number of laptops including a Dell Latitude D610 or D620. I did not look to see what any of them had. Any idea (in general) what shape laptops from there would be in? I imagine they might be pretty well beat. Notice any prices? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
laptop vendors
In the market for a refurbished/used laptop, Dell Latitude or Lenovo Thinkpad. Refurbs (factory) seem to be available only from the mfgr's web site. Hate to spend that kind of money sight unseen. Aside from Red Seven, who says they are out of stock, are there any *reliable* places in the greater Phx area dealing in this stuff? By reliable I mean that a lot of places outsource their refurbing or do it in house, sometimes with mixed results. Any suggestions/experiences? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: laptop vendors
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 03:39:17PM -0800, keith smith wrote: Staples and Office Max have weekly specials on new laptops, well it seems Staples does. You can get a dual core / 4 gig RAM / 160 - 500 GB HD for under $400 if you watch for sales. Thanks for the reply but These places only sell consumer grade computers. Haven't checked in a while so, If I'm wrong pls correct me. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: laptop vendors
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 06:33:22PM -0500, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I had a bad (and costly) experience with System76. YMMV... Noted. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT computer store
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:42:17PM -0700, der.hans wrote: Am 17. Feb, 2011 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Is the Mesa store still open? They lost their lead guy there. Yup. Just talked to Mike the other day. The Mesa store is no longer a used outlet and is now a retail outlet like the other locations. www.RedSevenLinux.com Their site still says In addition to our normal repair and leasing options, our Downtown Mesa location also offers refurbished computers for sale. Not true? Out of date web site? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: LinkedIn Connect Request
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 09:27:32PM -0700, Technomage Hawke wrote: hey, watch out for the warple bunny. smile and let us not forget to count only to three before throwing the holy hand grenade of Antioch. man I still love that show. I wish they still showed it on American TV. They do, on satellite tv (directv). Just watched it for the umpteenth time last week. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: computer recycling
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 07:03:07PM -0700, Tom Jones wrote: I believe that's AZStrut. That's what I'm looking for. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: computer recycling
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 06:45:54PM -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote: Hi Bob, On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: I seem to remember a service that took old computers, refurbished them and distributed them to people who couldn't otherwise afford them. The problem is I can't remember who or where they are, assuming they're still active. I have a couple of *old* desktop boxes that still work and a monitor that seems to be on the verge of being kaput that I would like to donate. Can anyone help me? Freegeek.org in Portland, Oregon is a non-proift community resource for all things linux that accepts corporation, small business and individual donations (for a fee since everything that is disposed of in that state costs money). ..snip.. That's interesting but if they don't have a local drop off, which see no mention of on their site, they don't do me any good. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Computer/Electronics Recycling
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:42:18PM -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote: And on the West side of town, you can contact Ted Gray of the Sun City Grand Computer Club: techni...@grandcomputers.org or 623-215-7473 Too long a haul from Scottsdale but thanks anyway. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Computer/Electronics Recycling
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:20:36PM -0700, Nancy wrote: You can recycle (with charitable donation receipt) computers and electronics every 3rd Sunday morning (6 am-10:30 am-This Sunday is the November date) at the Boy Scouts' swap meet in Scottsdale (Pavilions shopping center, Indian Bend 101, near the 5 Diner restaurant). Westech Recycling brings a truck. Some of the donated items are auctioned off at 9 am to benefit the Boy Scout troop that runs this swap meet. You can also buy more computers/electronics from vendors at the swap meet. http://www.scoutscomputerswapmeet.com/ I was looking or an outfit that refurbished and gave away computers to those who can't afford one. The scout's web site didn't indicate this as a possibility. Did I miss it? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
computer recycling
I seem to remember a service that took old computers, refurbished them and distributed them to people who couldn't otherwise afford them. The problem is I can't remember who or where they are, assuming they're still active. I have a couple of *old* desktop boxes that still work and a monitor that seems to be on the verge of being kaput that I would like to donate. Can anyone help me? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: November Linux Security Lab Hacks DOCSIS 2.0/3.0
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 03:06:18PM -0700, Benjamin Francom wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Brandon Hoffman brandonmhoff...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is what the intended and/or advertised use is for. I am good with that answer. Makes logical sense. Thanks. You're trying to apply logic to law enforcement? Oy! -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: your mail
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 01:11:04PM -0700, Stephen wrote: Really, he had his car stolen and his phone and your quibbling over a nicety of a subject? Just an observation. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: battery overcharging
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 06:55:33PM -0700, Dazed_75 wrote: It really is best to regularly run on battery and not just run continusly on AC with the battery in. My HP battery life is down to seconds because I did that. I'm running an old Dell Latitude 600 and I wonder how many charge/discharge cycles the battery is good for. Haven't had time to run a search which is what I would usually do before posting this. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
battery overcharging
Is it possible to overcharge a Lithium ion battery in a laptop by continuously running on AC? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Plug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 31 - the unfixable problem.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:10:22PM -0600, j...@actionline.com wrote: I would say Wal-mart is a great example of true greed. Keith, I'm really sorry that you seem to have such a hateful attitude toward Walmart. I don't want to pick a fight with you my good friend, but I do feel it's important to clarify a couple things. You asserted: They require tax cuts to build in your area and they pay the lowest of low wages. Neither Walmart nor any other business can require or coerce any government, city, state, or federal to provide tax cuts. If you don't think that dangling tax revenue under the noses of a slavering city council or county board of directors constitutes coercion you're living in another world. It is common practice and not in the least bit unethical for any business or any other entity that brings jobs and economic activity to an area to seek incentives to move in to that area. No government is required to capitulate to providing such incentives. Except when the business entity in question is a *large* contributor to the right election campaigns. There is nothing wrong with any business offering whatever wage rates that they may choose to offer. Walmart can not offer lower wages than the minimum wage and nobody is required to accept or stay in any job that Walmart or any other employer may offer. Except when the individual has been laid off from a middle management position, is 50 yrs old, and Walmart is the only job available...and don't tell me he/she should relocate to where the jobs are. They tell their employees to get government subsistence as part of their model. I seriously question that Walmart tells their employees any such thing; however, the point is that Walmart (and every employer) has every right to decide whatever wage rates they want to offer, and nobody is required to accept any job that employer may offer. See my comment above. Basically we subsidize their business model by supporting their employees with section-8 housing, food stamps, and state funded health care. That is not Walmart's fault. It is unrealistic to blame Walmart for what the anti-American socialists among our elected representatives have contrived. Walmart did not do that, did not advocate that, and is not responsible for that. ..snip. They certainly are by virtue of not offering pay sufficient to keep employees off the dole. One thing I notice about staunch advocates of free market capitalism and personal responsibility is that they almost always speak from a position of relative comfort and privilege. Makes no difference how they got their, that's the position they're speaking from...and they call liberals elitists. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:01:41AM -0700, keith smith wrote: Anytime you get the government involved you have a recipe for disaster. And it is unconstitutional. We have a problem and it needs to be fixed. I believe in a free market solution. The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market system forever. How's that been working out? Not so good? I believe everyone should pay for their own health insurance. Remove this from the employer. Then the payer and consumer will be the same. It will not take long for the market to adjust once that happens. You're advocating the elimination of group coverage with it's lower premiums. Good luck buying an individual policy with it's exclusions for pre-existing conditions. ...snip.. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Self Employed Health Insurance Costs and Coverage
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 02:39:06PM -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote: At 12:16 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote: snip. We have a problem and it needs to be fixed. I believe in a free market solution. The health insurance industry has been operating under a free market system forever. Sorry - that is not correct...big brother govt has had their hand in for quite some time, messing up the works. Oh. That's probably the reason rates have *far* outstripped inflation. Yup, too much regulation. Couldn't be the profit motive. .snip. If 100% of the people bought, we would have much lower pricing That's a feature of the health care package.the feature that causes conservatives to have a stroke. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT (or is it): Fw: The untold doomsday scenario in the Gulf
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 04:11:39PM -0700, keith smith wrote: Maybe you see this as apocalyptic. However what if something like this were to happen. Do you think it would be relevant then? I know Joseph and he is a very stable guy that you would want to live next door to you, especially if things go bad. If there is anyone on this list who has good intentions it is Joseph. I never questioned his intentions. The issue is forwarding messages that are fear mongering with links to lunatic fringe conspiracy sites as evidence. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
nm-tool showing phony info?
Had occasion to run nm-tool and saw the line for my network: *1600x160: Infrastructure Mode, Freq 2.437 MHz, Rate 62 Mb/s, Strength 95%, Encrypted (WEP), Hidden That's pretty strange because I originally configured the router to use WPA2 with AES. Also the network isn't hidden. I just verified the settings on the router setup page (192.168.1.1 for a Linksys WRT54GL) and they are as I set it up originally. Anyone have an idea what's going on? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
On Wed, 19 May 2010, Joshua Zeidner wrote: .snip. Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most likely an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the truth, or even worse is invested in lies. Those people are absolutely dangerous in serious situations and should be avoided in all situations. Anyone filtering your posts is someone who is sick and tired of your endless belaboring the same points over and over and over andI just joined them. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. obviously you don't understand that JMZ has absolutely no respect for the members of this group and somehow think that his insistent posting of his political views somehow correlates to persuasion. It doesn't persuade me to thinking anything except that they are abusive, obnoxious and irrelevant. Keith to a lesser extent. You have to remember that every group has it's crusading self centered lunatic fringe who are determined to save the world by belaboring everyone within earshot with their crackpot politics. Even Linux users. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: fetchmail, procmail, mutt
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Matthew Coulliette wrote: Hi everyone, I am trying to setup fetchmail to get my email from the server, procmail to sort my email, and mutt to read my email. So far, fetchmail appears to work. It gets the mail and puts it in /var/mail/username. I believe that the next step is to have procmail sort it into mailboxes. I have created a .mail dir in my home dir. I attached a copy of the .procmailrc file that I have written. It does not appear to work. Can someone tell me what is wrong with the config file. Any other comments or suggestions are also welcome. My .fetchmailrc file looks like this: poll pop.west.cox.net protocol pop3 username xx password xx mimedecode mda /usr/bin/procmail -f - Note the call to procmail. You didn't say which mailbox format you wanted. This will deliver mail in mbox format. If you want the maildir format the URL in the other reply might be what you want. Don't know. There are advantages and disadvantages to both formats. In your .procmailrc file MAILDIR=/home/matthewmpp/.mail doesn't work. I learned that the hard way. It will always revert to the default mailbox. You had it right with DEFAULT=/home/matthewmpp/.mail/all. Is there a reason you got away from that? The relevant part of my procmailrc file is: #MAILDIR=/var/mail #MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail DEFAULT=$HOME/mail/INCOMING -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: fetchmail, procmail, mutt
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, wta wrote: Hi Matthew your file looks ok, so far, you need to check your fechmail config, because if is working, but it is not calling procmail. you need something like mda /usr/bin/procmail -m /directory/to/procmail.conf I tried that about a week ago when I was attempting to use an alternate .procmailrc file and it was a disaster. I don't have the error message handy as it's on my laptop which is at Red7 for repair. check here for reference http://www.ioncannon.net/system-administration/97/using-fetchmail-and-procmail-for-maildir-style-storage-from-a-pop3-account/ The reference in the above site to CORRECTHOME confuses me. Running a search on it turns up nothing that tells me *how it works. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Help for my mom part 2
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:43:15PM +, m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: Why not send her a UNR live CD to try it out? She could try other live cds as well until the next install fest to find just what she wants. I didn't think netbooks had optical drives. My step daughter has an HP mini and it doesn't. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
turning off wifi
I run Ubuntu Hardy on a Dell Latitude 600 with a Linksys WRT54GL router and the latest Linksys firmware. I usually use a wired connection with wireless access disabled on the router configuration site. Today I booted and inadvertently neglected to attach the cable first. I was surprised to see it connect to the wifi network. I checked to make sure wireless access was still disabled and it was. What don't I understand here? Does disabling wireless access not do what I think (obviously doesn't)? If not, how can I turn off wifi. There is no physical switch. Opening Network Manager shows the wired button grayed out. The only way to turn it off is to connect the cable. Right now I see no way to work off line. Help, pointers, snide comments anyone? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: turning off wifi
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 07:05:37PM -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: Right click the Network Manager icon, left click Enable Wireless to uncheck it. I found that shortly after posting. This is my first encounter with NM and I was floundering around. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:56:18AM -0600, Alex Dean wrote: snip. Kurt : Is that 28 trillion hours figure you cited the estimated time to try *all* 12 character passwords? If so, I think that's not the right metric. The search for a password stops once you've found the correct one, and you'd only try them all if the correct password is the very last one you tried. It'd be helpful to know something like I'm able to attempt 95% of all 12 character passwords after 28 trillion hours. If the password is truly a random string of junk, it's perfectly possible (just phenomenally unlikely) that you'll guess it on the 1st try. I was just about to comment on this. You beat me to it. In all the different material I've read, everyone is fond of saying it would take insert huge number here of years to break a strong password. Statistically the odds of the first try being successful are not, as you pointed out, zero and increase with each combination. Granted, it would still take a hell of a long time but not the insert huge number years people always claim. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: digital sticky notes for Linux?
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 01:20:05PM -0700, Stephen wrote: I think there is something called tomboy notes? not sure. but i saw it and it tries to be a virtual sticky note (yellow box and all) You're thinking of xpad or knotes. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: lost email
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:11:44AM -0700, Bob Elzer wrote: You said you didn't have full logging turned on, so I'm not sure what it would show, I know procmail can remove duplicates by tracking msgid. If you have verbose logging, I would think it would log a message about duplicates. Is the problem still happening ? Or is it a one time thing so far ? The problem is intermittent and hasn't reoccurred since I turned on verbose logging. Sort of like the tooth ache that dissapears as soon as you walk into the dentist's office. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: lost email
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 04:54:44PM -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote: Hmmm? What is your procmail recipe? Filtering? Hard to evaluate without that? You can also verify via debug level? Might just post your reciple for us to scope? That would be pretty cumbersome as I use a separate recipe for each of 17 lists. How about a representative sample? :0: * ^to_ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com $HOME/mail/list-ubuntu-users :0: * ^TO(plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us) $HOME/mail/list-PLUG-discuss From ~/,procmailrc: DEFAULT=$HOME/mail/INCOMING I pull mail from another ISP's server but don't apply any recipes to it and don't apply the DEFAULT mailbox.Therefore it falls thru to /var/mail/holtzm I forgot to mention that the problem is intermittent and hasn't returned since I turned on verbose logging. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
lost email
This one really has me snowed. I use fetchmail to d/l mail and route it through procmail with mailstat to track how many msgs are in what mailbox. For a while now I've noticed a discrepancy between the number shown in mailstat and the number in my mailboxes. Usually it's just a few msgs but this morning the difference was dramatic. Such as: mailstat msgs in showsmailbox sounder...23.3 /var/mai/holtzm...2914 INCOMING...6.3 ubuntu-users..2712 My procmail log agrees with mailstat. Unfortunately I didn't have verbose logging turned on, since rectified so I may know more next time. It doesn't seem to be an isp, fetchmail, or procmail problem. Right now I have no idea where to start troubleshooting. Searching on lost email turned up nothing close. If anyone can solve this, the beer is on me (that ought to get some action -:)) -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: lost email
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:23:50AM -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: This one really has me snowed. I use fetchmail to d/l mail and route it through procmail with mailstat to track how many msgs are in what mailbox. For a while now I've noticed a discrepancy between the number shown in mailstat and the number in my mailboxes. Usually it's just a few msgs but this morning the difference was dramatic. Such as: mailstat msgs in showsmailbox sounder...23.3 /var/mai/holtzm...2914 INCOMING...6.3 ubuntu-users..2712 My procmail log agrees with mailstat. Unfortunately I didn't have verbose logging turned on, since rectified so I may know more next time. It doesn't seem to be an isp, fetchmail, or procmail problem. Right now I have no idea where to start troubleshooting. Searching on lost email turned up nothing close. If anyone can solve this, the beer is on me (that ought to get some action -:)) Which type of mailbox (maildir|mbox)? Are you using imap or pop3? pop3 and mbox. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: lost email
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 03:12:46PM -0700, Bob Elzer wrote: I've had times when trying to get my mail from gmail, that a connection problem happens, and the result is duplicate emails from various people. My guess would be that you had the same kind of connection problem and the email kept getting retransmitted, thus counted multiple times, and that possibly the final delivery recognized it as a duplicate and removed it. Would the procmail log still show it as delivered to the correct mailbox? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote: mike havens wrote: I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own anything so I would not get to vote. White land owning men? :P Welcome to the 18th century. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeks Emergency Control of the Internet
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, James Finstrom wrote: I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on property tax and other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land issues. Since the cost of rental property taxes gets passed down to the renters, they definitely have something to lose. That would be taxation without representation. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ****Re: guess what....
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, keith smith wrote: So we just let in rapists and those with tuberculosis? Lok up the wimmen an chilun. The rapists is acomin. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me [SUCCESS]
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Craig White wrote: There are many forms of WPA but I think you are referring to WPA-PSK which is a 'pre-shared key' system. You put the pre-shared key into the 'access point/router' and also provide the same pre-shared key to whatever computer is trying to connect. WPA-PSK infers both an encryption method and an authentication method. That gave me the push I needed. I checked the key in wicd's advanced settings (Karl's famous tiny little arrow) and sure enough it was one from a previous attempt to reconfigure. I had forgotten to change it. No wonder it wouldn't authenticate. WPA (TKIP) or WPA2 (AES) are encryption methods and both would use a separate backend radius server for authentication. I have no reason to doubt you but I'm successfully (I think) running WPA with TKIP and no server. What am I missing? Thanks to all who helped. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Eric Cope wrote: do you have another computer to try and connect wirelessly? Your router's wireless adapter could have met its maker... The more I think about it the more plausible that sounds, in as much as I had wireless working for a few days and suddenly lost the connection and was never able to re-establish it. If that *is* the problem, I've been beating my brains out and flooding the list for a long time for nothing. Thanks for the tip. I'll get it checked out. Thanks -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: That's essid, not eesid Yep... I screwed up. Imagine that... :) I think that was my typo, not yours. In either event the return is: unknown command linksys dhclient eth1 won't work because you haven't associated with anything yet, that's analogous to having no wired plugged in to an Ethernet. No link... Yeah, I figured that. I tried out of curiosity. Try again with essid and run iwconfig alone to verify that you are associated. Again, no point to dhclient if you are not associated. Once associated, if dhclient grabs an IP address, your issue most likely lies on the GUI configuring the wireless wrong. What are you running? I forgot if you mentioned it... wicd If it doesn't grab an IP, most likely you have a miss-configured router. That's assuming that you are not WEP(ing), which I didn't check for in your previous messages. If you are, just turn it off until you sort this one out. WPA(ing) not WEP(ing). When I first tried setting up wireless I could connect with encryption disabled, not enabled. This is no longer true. Can't connect either way. One more thing that has changed from my earlier attempts is that before the connection would authenticate O.K. and hang getting the IP address. Now hangs trying to authenticate. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: BTW... You seem to have the router configured for WPA. WPA won't work without some serious tinkering and some other resources, like servers and all sort of ugly stuff. That may be the source of your problem. Turn it off. I haven't seen this mentioned in all the not inconsiderable reading I've done. The only reference I've seen to having to run a server is in connection with WPA/WPA2 and the AES algorithm where there has to be a RADIUS server involved. I'm running WPA with the TKIP algorithm. If I'm wrong could you clarify or point me to a source? I ran across this at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb877996.aspx For environments without a RADIUS infrastructure, WPA supports the use of a preshared key. For environments with a RADIUS infrastructure, WPA supports EAP and RADIUS. Forgive the source (M$). As I mentioned in a previous post, the connection fails with or without encryption enabled. Thanks for your continued patience. Between you and the other list members who have responded I know a bit more about networking than when I started. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Ryan Rix wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Robert Holtzmanhol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Jon M. Hanson wrote: The router's password to open up the administration page has nothing to do with making a wireless connection. That raises the question of what the connection attempt is trying to validate against. A different key which can be changed from within the interface, after logging in. This begs the question: can you get into the interface using the username admin and password admin? If I reset the router I can get a wired connection and get into the configuration with admin for a password and no username. That's standard. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: OK, this is what we know: You are connected to your router via ethernet :) Your wireless works... Is your ESSID one of: ESSID:linksys ESSID:2WIRE860 linksys And is the MAC address of the wireless interface of your router either of: Cell 01 - Address: 00:23:69:56:30:F9 Cell 02 - Address: 00:1F:B3:00:01:A9 00:23:69:56:30:F9 as listed. If so, your router is out there. Look at the syntax of iwconfig and do: ifconfig eth1 up iwconfig essid your ESSID eth1 iwconfig eesid linksys eth1 returns: iwconfig: unknown command linksys dhclient eth1 this gives: Listening on LPF/eth1/00:15:00:4a:a3:4c Sending on LPF/eth1/00:15:00:4a:a3:4c Sending on Socket/fallback DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12 DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. If you get an IP address, and can talk to your router, your issue is with the graphical interface. Maybe... ;-) ET -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Jon M. Hanson wrote: The router's password to open up the administration page has nothing to do with making a wireless connection. That raises the question of what the connection attempt is trying to validate against. Can you not connect to the router wirelessly with all encryption turned off? That used to be the case but it no longer is true. It changed when the connection started to refuse to validate/authenticate (naturally). -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: What's the output of: iwlist whatever my wlan interface is scan ? You may have to do: ifconfig whatever my wlan interface is up first. eth1 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:23:69:56:30:F9 ESSID:linksys Protocol:IEEE 802.11bg Mode:Master Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) Encryption key:on Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s 11 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s Quality=98/100 Signal level=-26 dBm IE: WPA Version 1 Group Cipher : TKIP Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP Authentication Suites (1) : PSK Extra: Last beacon: 32ms ago Cell 02 - Address: 00:1F:B3:00:01:A9 ESSID:2WIRE860 Protocol:IEEE 802.11bg Mode:Master Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) Encryption key:on Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s Quality=37/100 Signal level=-78 dBm Extra: Last beacon: 508ms ago The above with a wired connection (if that makes a difference). -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I'd like to know: The model of the router. The IP address you grab wirelessly :) The IP address you grab over the wire. The Ip address you grab from the modem. The wired desktop's IP is 68.230.109.242 The wired laptop's IP is 68.230.47.148 Don't know how to get the modem's IP The router as I said in a followup to my original post is a Linksys WRT54GL running the latest Linksys firmware. Thanks -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Lisa Kachold wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: I'm starting a new thread because of a new problem. After getting wireless running for a few days I suddenly can't connect the laptop wirelessly (is that a word?). At first the attempt stalled at getting the ip address.Just now it stalled at authentication. I tried resetting the router and reloading the configuration that used to work. No luck. The only way the router will connect is hard wired from either the router or the modem. Now the fun part. The desktop box will not connect when hardwired to the router, only when wired to the modem, even though the laptop will. This one stalls at getting the ip address. To repeat, all settings were those that worked for 2-3 days. Laptop is a Dell Latitude running Ubuntu 8.04 and wicd. The desktop runs the same s/w. In the 10 yrs or so using Linux (Redhat 6.0 and 7.3, fc 8 and 9, Debian 4.0 and 5.0) I have never had so much trouble as this, my first attempt at networking. This list has been quite a bit of help in the past. I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction now. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer Update the firmware.Various firmware bots and exploits exist. Running the latest Linksys firmware from heir site. Ubuntu is patched the most recent firmware using the 802.11 standards. Script kiddies pound older routers until they failover and then install bots and firmware upgrades. What is your router version? Version 1.1 Save your router configuration and examine it with a binary reader and see what's there? You're beginning to get beyond my knowledge (so far). -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: my router hates me
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Robert Holtzman wrote: I'm starting a new thread because of a new problem. After getting wireless running for a few days I suddenly can't connect the laptop wirelessly (is that a word?). At first the attempt stalled at getting the ip address.Just now it stalled at authentication. I tried resetting the router and reloading the configuration that used to work. No luck. The only way the router will connect is hard wired from either the router or the modem. Now the fun part. The desktop box will not connect when hardwired to the router, only when wired to the modem, even though the laptop will. This one stalls at getting the ip address. To repeat, all settings were those that worked for 2-3 days. Laptop is a Dell Latitude running Ubuntu 8.04 and wicd. The desktop runs the same s/w. In the 10 yrs or so using Linux (Redhat 6.0 and 7.3, fc 8 and 9, Debian 4.0 and 5.0) I have never had so much trouble as this, my first attempt at networking. This list has been quite a bit of help in the past. I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction now. Forgot to include in my post that the router is a Linksys WRT54GL running the latest Linksys firmware. Sorry. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
my router hates me
I'm starting a new thread because of a new problem. After getting wireless running for a few days I suddenly can't connect the laptop wirelessly (is that a word?). At first the attempt stalled at getting the ip address.Just now it stalled at authentication. I tried resetting the router and reloading the configuration that used to work. No luck. The only way the router will connect is hard wired from either the router or the modem. Now the fun part. The desktop box will not connect when hardwired to the router, only when wired to the modem, even though the laptop will. This one stalls at getting the ip address. To repeat, all settings were those that worked for 2-3 days. Laptop is a Dell Latitude running Ubuntu 8.04 and wicd. The desktop runs the same s/w. In the 10 yrs or so using Linux (Redhat 6.0 and 7.3, fc 8 and 9, Debian 4.0 and 5.0) I have never had so much trouble as this, my first attempt at networking. This list has been quite a bit of help in the past. I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction now. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
wired/wireless security
Recently got wireless working with a laptop on wireless and a hard wired desktop hardwired to the router. Logically(?) it seems as though the security with the router's wireless function disabled would be equivalent to that of a computer hard wired directly to the modem, maybe better as going thru the router use the router's firewall in addition to the one internal to the computer. Not sure that isn't redundant. Any opinions on my conclusion? The reason I post this is that 1)I'm leery of transmitting my bank or brokerage password over wireless and 2)I've been wrong before (hard as that is to believe). -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: wired/wireless security
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Chris Gehlker wrote: On Jun 5, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: Recently got wireless working with a laptop on wireless and a hard wired desktop hardwired to the router. Logically(?) it seems as though the security with the router's wireless function disabled would be equivalent to that of a computer hard wired directly to the modem, maybe better as going thru the router use the router's firewall in addition to the one internal to the computer. Not sure that isn't redundant. If you turn off the wireless function it's just a wired router. Is that what you are asking? That was my initial impression. I was looking for confirmation. The thing I'm wondering about is whether the hard wired router would be an additional point of entry for an attack. As a networking noob, I can see me inadvertently not getting everything locked down. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wireless connection problem
On Sun, 17 May 2009, Lisa Kachold wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Sun, 17 May 2009, Josef Lowder wrote: ..snip... In the control center network center, the qwest3856 SSID shows up with 5-bars signal strength, Managed operating mode, and wep-manual 40/64 bit (10 characters) encryption. But when I try to connect, it says cannot connect. I reconfigured the router to no privacy and can connect, but I cannot connect with wep security. I have the same problem running Ubuntu Hardy and a Linksys WRT54GL router. If you get it resolved please post the solution as I have been going around and around with the problem for over a month. This is the type of technical information anyone needs to help you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/183619 What is your patch version, driver, hardware, logs, etc? I ran thru most of this under a thread from mid April called the infamous linux wifi monster strikes including a lot of the information required. A number of people were quite helpful but I had to break off with no final resolution when I got called out of town. Later this week or early next I'll have time to readdress the problem and I'll resupply the information. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wireless connection problem
On Sun, 17 May 2009, Josef Lowder wrote: ..snip... In the control center network center, the qwest3856 SSID shows up with 5-bars signal strength, Managed operating mode, and wep-manual 40/64 bit (10 characters) encryption. But when I try to connect, it says cannot connect. I reconfigured the router to no privacy and can connect, but I cannot connect with wep security. I have the same problem running Ubuntu Hardy and a Linksys WRT54GL router. If you get it resolved please post the solution as I have been going around and around with the problem for over a month. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: enhanced interrogation (was: Re: HackFest Series: TrueCrypt is Now Detectable)
On Fri, 1 May 2009, Joe wrote: I made the file, I didn't overwrite an existing one. Yes, it's possible to find the file, but it's hard to figure out what it is (since TrueCrypt leaves no headers although the topic the thread WAS detection). The idea, more than anything, is that I can say I have no idea what the extra file is. Plausible deniability. Except when they don't believe you and break out the hose. -- Bob Holtzman Bother, said Pooh, as he chambered another round... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
wireless problem
I'm having a problem connecting with encryption enabled. My setup is a Desktop and a Dell latitude laptop both running Ubuntu 8.04 and both running wicd (at the moment). The desktop is hard wired to the Linksys WRT54GL router. If I configure the router with the web based utility and don't enable encryption I can connect and access everything on the net with no problem. If I go back and enable wpa or wpa2 and save, the connection is dropped. When I try to reconnect the error message says that this network requires encryption to be enabled even though the network is detected as having wpa or wpa2 encryption. Opening advanced settings on wicd shows encryption to be enabled. I tried entering a random string as a pass phrase when I set up the encryption and also tried letting the configuration automatically do it, both with no luck. Also, even when I connect unsecured, the desktop won't connect. At this point I am beginning to look at the block wall in my back yard and wonder if I can put the router through it. Any help *greatly* appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
router opinions wanted
Total noob wrt networks. I'm about to dive into setting up a home LAN and could use some opinions/advise/warnings/ideas about routers. Not sure yet whether the LAN will be wireless or not. Any routers to look for? Any to avoid? Is it possible to disable a wireless router's transmitter and use it with cable? I thought I might like to try it as hard wired but retain the capability of going wireless later. I've run a lot of searches on this question and haven't seen anything. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
running .bashrc
A long time ago I read a post somewhere about how to make the system read .bashrc without actually logging out. I can't remember or find it. The search engine oddly shows nothing. Can someone give me a pointer? Thanks -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because of the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was bothersome so I finally switched back to the rich text mode of gmail. Excuse my ignorance but what functionality does HTML give you? -- Bob Holtzman Bother, said Pooh, as he chambered another round... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because of the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was bothersome so I finally switched back to the rich text mode of gmail. Excuse my ignorance but what functionality does HTML give you? Multiple fonts, colors, highlighting, underlining, bold text, indenting, insert as quote, graphic leements, need I go on? While HTML may not be the only way to accomplish some of those things, it is extremely common. How does any of this add to the information content of the email? -- Bob Holtzman The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: rsync error message
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Lisa Kachold wrote: diff will check difference in files or directories, but not symlinks and dot files automatically (depending on how you ask - or what your command syntax looks like). You evidently don't have dircmp installed. Are you using Debian or Ubuntu? Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 and debian etch. Mondo works well on Debian but not on Hardy which is why I'm trying rsync. dircmp isn't installed on either Ubuntu or on Debian. For instance, did you ask for your diff like this: diff -r --brief dir1 dir2 Yes. Just to make this simple: 1) Visually inspect your source directory and children directories for: a) Permissions issues b) Writable files c) symlinks 2) Check the permissions for your destination directory, symlinks and dot files or directories, visually. 3) Post both commands, your full diff command and your original rsync command. rsync -va /home/holtzm /media/disk diff -r -q /home/holtzm /media/disk/holtzm Just ran diff again and, as expected there were a number of differences since I have used Hardy since the backup. The interesting thing is that it picked up differences in a number of dot files and directories which answers my question about whether diff checked dot files. 4) Bugs exist for rsync; check your distro and rsync version? Error 23 can be a bug even when all files have been successfully tranferred. This is what I'm inclined toward. Check the Ubuntu support forums for others with your version, and/or Debian bugs, etc. I'll do it. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman To enjoy life take big bites. Moderation is for monks. Lazarus Long --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
rsync error message
Tried rsync -av /home/username /media/disk for the first time. Every thing appeared to go well but there was an error message at the end: rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(977) [sender=2.6.9] Running diff -r /home/holtzm /media/disk/home returned nothing which indicates they are identical. The question is what files could not be transferred and is there a better way of checking? Any help appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: rsync error message
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, koder wrote: Did you capture rsync's output? It should tell you exactly which file it could not deal with. There was no indication of a problem except for the error message at the end. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: rsync error message
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Lisa Kachold wrote: A) rdiff You might use dircmp instead of rdiff to include the dot . files? dircmp holtzcm /media/disk/home Ran a search on dircmp and most everything I found said diff did the same thing. One message asked specifically where to d/l dircmp and all the replys said use diff. Not one told him where to get it. Do I understand from your reply that diff doesn't check dot files? I had never heard that. BTW, where *do* you get it? Apt-get install throws up its hands. Is it part of a larger package? B) rsync 1) rsync reports a code 23 when there's a problem with the password file, even when the right password is supplied and files are transferred. http://www.mail-archive.com/rs...@lists.samba.org/msg19786.html 2) Various versions of rsync/CVS included a bug that there was an issue with password file (Probably not your issue) reported as error 23. 3) Samba often reports a code 23 when issues occur for permissions. http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2007-July/017975.html 4) rsync reports a code 23 when permissions for read only access do not match the owner running the sync job, irregardless of if all files are transferred. I found this right after I posted. Unless I find out differently I'm inclined to go with 2). Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
drive mounting
I'm having an intermittent problem mounting a usb thumb drive in Ubuntu Hardy. It usually automounts but sometimes refuses. Issuing a mount command results in special device /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist (paraphrased from memory-mine). It will mount if I reboot with the drive attached but this is a lousy solution. Docs and searching turned up nothing I can use. Any help or thoughts appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: drive mounting
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Eric Shubert wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: I'm having an intermittent problem mounting a usb thumb drive in Ubuntu Hardy. It usually automounts but sometimes refuses. Issuing a mount command results in special device /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist (paraphrased from memory-mine). It will mount if I reboot with the drive attached but this is a lousy solution. Docs and searching turned up nothing I can use. Any help or thoughts appreciated. Sounds like USB is getting confused somewhere/somehow. Are there any other USB devices in play when it doesn't work? Mouse and printer. The printer is a parallel port connected with an adapter cable. Just tried it again and it mounted, Next time it borks I'll try disconnecting everything else and see what happens. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman To enjoy life take big bites. Moderation is for monks. Lazarus Long --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
re: printer problems...repost
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Lisa Kachold wrote: Okay, This is a horse of a different color (parallel port to USB adapter) [USB device]! dmesg tells us that you are loading two USB devices - one is a bidirectional modem driver cdc_acm Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters, the other is reported as: [ 30.968766] usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x067B pid 0x2305 (conflicts with no devices found?) [ 30.968854] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp Looks like that's our USB printer right there? Try: $ locate usblp Stuff the path to the device file reported from slocated into $PATH below. That command doesn't show a device. It returns two kernel drivers: [EMAIL PROTECTED] locate usblp /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko Is that what you meant? Doesn't look like it. $ echo -en \rHello\r\f $PATH/usblp And you forgot to tell us what it is whining about? Other than the bitching about the printer not being connected we have this: $ tail /var/log/cups/error_log [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdAcceptClient: 9 from localhost (Domain) D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdReadClient: 9 POST / HTTP/1.1 D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] Get-Jobs ipp://localhost/jobs/ D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdProcessIPPRequest: 9 status_code=0 (successful-ok) D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdReadClient: 9 POST / HTTP/1.1 D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] CUPS-Get-Printers D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdProcessIPPRequest: 9 status_code=0 (successful-ok) D [01/Nov/2008:07:37:44 -0700] cupsdCloseClient: 9 $ tail /var/log/message /var/log/messages (in Ubuntu) mostly contains a lot of unintellible (at least to me) entries pertaining to, I think,internet traffic. Never have been able to decipher it. I can't see anything I can tie to printing or usb. Might look like this: Oct 28 20:02:38 honeypot kernel: [ 332.16] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 8 And what does this tell you? $ lsusb Bus 006 Device 004: ID 0baf:0303 U.S. Robotics Bus 006 Device 001: ID : Bus 003 Device 001: ID : Bus 005 Device 001: ID : Bus 004 Device 001: ID : Bus 002 Device 003: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port Bus 002 Device 001: ID : Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c018 Logitech, Inc. Bus 001 Device 001: ID : Many times with USB printers an attach and unattach or power change will cause a disconnect. Do the logs tell you anything? Just that the printer is detected as I said in a previous post. A possible problem is that I may be missing something inthe logs because I'm not sure (read don't have a clue) what a lot of the entries mean. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: printer problems
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lisa Kachold wrote:
The Zen of Troubleshooting {Grasshopper}The error is the answer!
BJ210 Printer 'BJ210' may not be connectedLet's go look at each layer of a
print connection:
A) Devices:
How are you connecting your printer?
It's a parallel port printer connected via a parallel port to USB
adapter cable.
1) If your printer is Parallel port connected:
If the printer is capable of direct ASCII text printing, the following
command as root should print a single page with the word
Hello on it:
$ echo -en \rHello\r\f /dev/lp0
2) via USB:
$ dmesg | tail -n 50
Do you see your printer?
The thing that caught my eye was lp: driver loaded but no devices
found.
Do you see other usb devices?
30.901440] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_acm
[ 30.901504] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c:
v0.25:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters
[ 30.968766] usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 0 alt 1 proto
2 vid 0x067B pid 0x2305 (conflicts with no devices found?)
[ 30.968854] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
If the printer is capable of direct ASCII text printing, the following
command as root should print a single page with the word
Hello on it:
$ echo -en \rHello\r\f /dev/usb/lp0---although you might not always see it
print if it's not ASCII---
This is weird:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] echo -en \rHello\r\f /dev/usb/lp0
bash: /dev/usb/lp0: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo echo -en \rHello\r\f /dev/usb/lp0
bash: /dev/usb/lp0: Permission denied
Not even with sudo!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ls -l /dev/usb/lp0
crw-rw 1 root lp 180, 0 2008-10-28 10:25 /dev/usb/lp0
$ cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
/proc/bus doesn't exist in Ubuntu, however there are a load of usb
directories in /lib/modules and /lib/linux-restricted-modules
If you are not successful with these commands, terminate all processes
that use /dev/usb/lp0. Use lsmod to check which USB
modules are loaded (usb-uhci, usb-ohci, or uhci)
and how they depend on each other. For instance, the following entry
in the output of lsmod shows that the module usbcore
is being used by modules printer and usb-uhci:
B) Cups and Networking
Is the cupsd process running?
$ tail /var/log/cups/error_log
$ ps -ef |grep cup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps -ef |grep cup
root 5532 1 0 09:59 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd
Is the port open or is something else in the way?
$ netstat -anp |grep 631
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo netstat -anp |grep 631
[sudo] password for holtzm:
tcp0 0 127.0.1.1:631 0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN 5532/cupsd
tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN 5532/cupsd
And VERIFY that the POWER is ON on your PRINTER!
According to my original post:
In case anyone wonders, the printer powers up, the physical
connections
are tight, and the requisite noises are heard when turning the power
on
or off.
Having said all of the above (which pertains to Ubuntu ), as of this
morning Debian began co-operating and I was able to print documents. I
made no changes to anything.It must have been the goat I sacrificed last
night. Ubuntu, however, continues to thumb it's nose at me. I think it's
holding out for a virgin but I can't find any.
Many thanks for the detailed reply
--
Bob Holtzman
Your mail is being read by tight lipped
Homeland Security agents who fail to see
the humor in Doctor Strangelove
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Re: why o why
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Matt Graham wrote: After a long battle with technology, Alex Dean wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:15 PM, mike havens wrote: HAVE WE ALL ATTAINED GURU-HOOD? I have. I am the serenest! ...they call this journey endarkenment. When the student has been fully endarkened, the student is completely happy to have a totally nonfunctional computer. I practice the ancient art of 7.62x39 semiautomatic, but have yet to become fully endarkened through that art. Om My son,you have not attained true endarkenment because you have chosen the 7.62 Path Of The Plinker. The 6mm PPC is the One True Way. -- Bob Holtzman Bother, said Pooh, as he chambered another round... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: can't unmount usb hd
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, Matt Graham wrote: From: Robert Holtzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 360 Gb external drive. When I back up my system (that has 3 linux distros installed) with Clonezilla, the drive appears mounted as 7 separate [partitions] (/media/disk, /media/disk-1 thru /media/disk-6). FTFY. (disk != partition, remember.) I know. I was just stating how the computer showed it. You have an automounter of some type running. I *HATE* automounters, and I always turn them off, but YMMV. Which version of which distro are you running? Check its docs for how to turn off the automounter, or how to live with the automounter if you decide you want it. Would an automounter run amok with one usb device and not another? There is no problem with my 2 Gb key drive. Also, do you know of a reason the problem would appear after some months of functioning correctly? itself is weird but isn't the main problem. The real hangup is that I can't unmount any of them. If I run umount as root on them the icon will disappear from the desktop but /etc/mtab and ls /media both show them all as still mounted. Automounter again. The default seems to be that if a filesystem has not been accessed for more than 60 seconds, it will be umounted. If you have some sort of indexing program like beagle running, it'll of course be running over everything. To figure out which processes are using a file (or a filesystem), use lsof or fuser. HTH, I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 and there is a package named Tracker that is an indexing program. I think it was running at the time but I'm not sure. I need to do some more digging. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman A fair fight is the result of poor planning. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: can't unmount usb hd
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, Alan Dayley wrote: Admittedly I have not looked at mtab during these steps to see when true unmounting has occurred. I am trusting the icons and menus to tell me it's safe to unplug. So maybe my experience doesn't help you much. I have not had disk corruption following the above sequences. To trust the icons to tell whether the drive is mounted or not is rolling the dice. One day you may roll snake eyes. Reread my post to see why. -- Bob Holtzman --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
can't unmount usb hd
I have a 360 Gb external drive. When I back up my system (that has 3 linux distros installed) with Clonezilla, the drive appears mounted as 7 separate disks (/media/disk, /media/disk-1 thru /media/disk-6). That in itself is weird but isn't the main problem. The real hangup is that I can't unmount any of them. If I run umount as root on them the icon will disappear from the desktop but /etc/mtab and ls /media both show them all as still mounted. Can anyone give me a hint? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Emergency Buy Out
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 12:02 -0700, Josh Coffman wrote: ..waiting for another bail out later today (probably) to see what changes are made for the second attempt. I wouldn't be surprised to see Congress punt at this point until after the election because the election and politics is harming the process. And give the market time to drop a couple of thousand more points? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Bailout Bill
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Alan Dayley wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00. Incorrect. 85,000,000,000 / 200,000,000 = 4,250 Incorrect on me! I missed a zero! It's 425! You're both candidates for the board of the Federal Reserve. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: chgrp not permitted?[SOLVED, sort of]
When I copied files from the usb stick to the new OS the group changed from root to user name. I'm still not sure why this happens. Any explanations appreciated. None of the research I did turned up anything but it has to be something simple I'm missing. Thanks to all that replied. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
chgrp not permitted?
Running sudo chgrp name mail on a directory on a usb stick gives chgrp: changing group of `mail': Operation not permitted This is true for any file or directory on the stick, and yes, I entered the password. I can't figure out how to copy to the stick without the group being changed to root or how to change it after the fact. cp -p test1 /media/disk doesn't do it and cp -preserve=mode,ownership,group,timestamp test1 /media/disk gives cp: invalid option -- e I have to be doing something wrong but I'm not sure what. Google and Ubuntu forums were no help but I may be searching on the wrong terms. Any help appreciated. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: remember
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Charles Jones wrote: Craig White wrote: Was this plan rediculous? Yes. Did it involve killing innocent people, or even enemies? No. Could 9-11 be just a more hardcore version of this plan? Anything is possible, but I have a hard time believing that the govt would be capable of pulling off such an complex plan, involving so many people. Sure they could. After all they did such a marvelous job of planning the aftermath to the Iraq war didnt they? -- Bob Holtzman A day without fusion is like, a day without sunshine If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: chgrp not permitted?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't that be cp --preserve=... ? True. It's one of the commonest mistakes I make. However, cp --preserve=all test1 /media/disk still changes the group from username to root. First, how can I prevent this from happening and second how can I correct it after the fact? Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman A fair fight is the result of poor planning. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: chgrp not permitted?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 17:03 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: Running sudo chgrp name mail on a directory on a usb stick gives chgrp: changing group of `mail': Operation not permitted This is true for any file or directory on the stick, and yes, I entered the password. I can't figure out how to copy to the stick without the group being changed to root or how to change it after the fact. cp -p test1 /media/disk doesn't do it and cp -preserve=mode,ownership,group,timestamp test1 /media/disk gives cp: invalid option -- e I have to be doing something wrong but I'm not sure what. Google and Ubuntu forums were no help but I may be searching on the wrong terms. Any help appreciated. Thanks. a lot of details are missing but presuming that this USB disk is vfat filesystem, then there would nothing like POSIX users/groups and all files/folders are owned by the user mounting the filesystem and cannot be changed because a vfat system wouldn't support it. Sorry about being so sketchy. Drive is 2 Gb with one big ext3 partition. If what you are trying to do is to copy files from one system to another and preserve those things (owner/group/timestamps), tar the file, copy the tar file onto the USB 'stick', copy the tar file onto your next Linux host and untar it there and the those attributes should be preserved. That's probably optimum and I'll do it in the future (it may be the *only* way). Short of wiping everything I've copied to the drive already, is there any way of reovering from here? Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman Next to hydrogen the most abundant thing in the universe is stupidity Albert Einstein --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: backup apps
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Charles Jones wrote: koder wrote: I use rsync I posted a script on PLUG a bit ago that I use in exactly the same environment as yours. In the same thread I believe there were a few alternate suggestions. Just thought that I would mention that rsnapshot uses rsync, and is bascially just a fancy rsync script, but it works quite well. That's what I like...unanimity. Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Can rsync restore to a different size drive? If the backups don't include empty space it should be possibleI think. -- Bob Holtzman The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. -blatantly plagiarized - --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: backup apps
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Charles Jones wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: That's what I like...unanimity. Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Can rsync restore to a different size drive? If the backups don't include empty space it should be possibleI think. rsync basically copies the files themselves and preserves the permissions and timestamps, so they can be rsynced back to any size drive that can hold the sum of the files. That's what I thought. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
backup apps
I'm looking for backup software that doesn't back up the empty space on the drive. Also, I would like it to be able to make incremental backups. Dump (dd) seems to back up everything, empty or not. Not what I'm looking for. I looked at tar but am unsure about the incremental use. I've tried Clonezilla but it's giving me problems which the guys on the Clonezilla-users list are trying to work out. Can anyone suggest anything else? This is for use on a single desktop box with an external HD for backup. CLI is preferred but GUI is O.K. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cox news feed provider
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Sir Light wrote: Hmmm highwinds-media.com is supplying the news for cox.net users. THAT'S the answer I was looking for. Don't know why I didn't think of nslookup myself. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman A day without fusion is like, a day without sunshine If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
cox news feed provider
Does anyone know what service Cox uses for a news feed. Their tech support is *absolutely* clueless (surprise!) and I've run a number of searches to no avail. I'm having a problem in that I can post messages and followups to any newsgroup I want except one. On that one, the posts never show up on the group but do appear in my My_Posts file. I have a hunch the news server is misconfigured and I want to contact them to check it out. Thanks for any info you can provide. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cox news feed provider
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Dan Lund wrote: If you mean nntp server, their nntp server for the west is nntp.west.cox.net. If techs don't know that, they should be fired... that's right on any page showing smtp, nntp, and pop3 servers. That's not what I mean. What I was asking about is the entity that provides their news feed (Giganews etc. etc.). From what I have read, they don't run their own news servers. If they do they're even more clueless than I thought as they told me they don't provide support for news problems. -- Bob Holtzman A day without fusion is like, a day without sunshine If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: external HD suggestions
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, blake gonterman wrote: I have been using a Maxtor OneTouch III 320gb drive for the last year without any issues as a backup drive. It has even been pulled apart a few times and other drives used in the enclosure without issues. yes, I willingly voided the warranty. The drive is USB 2.0 only, and has a PATA 320gb maxtor drive in it. I am unsure of the model. It also uses a brick and 2prong power connector. Know of a good sata de\rive? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: external HD suggestions
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, David Bendit wrote: Honestly, I'd recommend an external enclosure. The price of one of those plus a single HDD may outweigh the cost of an all-in-one external drive, but once you start using multiple HDDs with it (labeled properly, of course), it goes down in cost significantly. The AMS Venus line [0] is particularly good from my own experience, and they offer models with IDE or SATA, USB or Firewire or eSATA, and combinations of the aforementioned. Considering the sizes of the drives, they are externally-powered, but you get the benefit of a fan that moves air over the drives to prolong their lives. Highly recommended. I hadn't thought of that approach. I'll check it out. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: external HD suggestions
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Bear wrote: Did you mean 3+Tb? If you really meant 3+Gb then pretty much any external enclosure supporting mirroring should be fine and give you 100x the space. did you mean reliable or durable? Sorry,typo. I meant 300+Gb. Also, I meant reliable, as in decent quality without a lousy record of failures. This is to use for backup medium. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
external HD suggestions
I would like to hear some opinions on a reliable external HD in the 3+Gb range. Thanks in advance. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: changing file system names
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, James Mcphee wrote: What you're talking about is exactly why Ubuntu and some other distos went with UUID's instead of paths in /etc/fstab. Does your distro support those? # file system mount point type options dump pass proc/proc procdefaults0 0 # /dev/sdb1 UUID=53bb8ce3-7822-46ba-a18a-34d00d1f70b7 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Robert Holtzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just had occasion to look at my /etc/mtab and the file system names had changed from /dev/sda* to /dev/sdb*. My /etc/fstab still shows /dev/sda*. This may have happened when I recently used gparted to create 3 new partitions (which I have yet to designate labels or mount points for). What happened and can I rename back to /dev/sda* or do I live with it and edit /etc/fstab? The danger, of course, is that if anything happened that would force me to reboot, such as a power outage, I'd be screwedI think. Yes, I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 and it uses UUID's. I ran ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid to see if the UUID's matched those in /etc/fstab and they did. From this am I correct in assuming that it's safe to reboot? If it is, then we're back to my original question: is there any way to change /dev/sdb* back to /dev/sda* or should I live with it and edit fstab? -- Bob Holtzman A fair fight is the result of poor planning. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
changing file system names
Just had occasion to look at my /etc/mtab and the file system names had changed from /dev/sda* to /dev/sdb*. My /etc/fstab still shows /dev/sda*. This may have happened when I recently used gparted to create 3 new partitions (which I have yet to designate labels or mount points for). What happened and can I rename back to /dev/sda* or do I live with it and edit /etc/fstab? The danger, of course, is that if anything happened that would force me to reboot, such as a power outage, I'd be screwedI think. Any pointers *greatly* appreciated! -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: need some help with fuel cells
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Technomage-hawke wrote: ok, I know some of you are engineering types. I am starting to look at the idea of home building a fuel cell here that can power my machines off the grid if need be. I am not worried about the fuel source itself (hydrogen can be easily got with some solar cells, graphic electrodes and starage media). What I am worried about is this: 1. Building one cheaply 2. available materials (preferably from lowe's or home depot) with the exception of the electrolytic material and possibly the catalyst materials) 3. a method of containment (A good quality housing that will keep the 2 parts of the fuel seperate until introduced into the catalyzing chamber) Hydrogen is hard to store in the gaseous state. The extremely small molecular size makes it possible for leaks to occur thru openings too small to pass molecules of other gases. Any such leaks are tough to detect until too late (i.e. kaboom!). Think exploding car batteries due to too rapid charging causing hydrogen buildup. I'm not trying to discourage you but be V careful and do a lot of research on handling and storing hydrogen. Last.put me in your will. -- Bob Holtzman The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu boot screen
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Dennis Kibbe wrote: Fedora and Red Hat automatically switch to a more detailed view if something [FAILS]. I wonder why Ubuntu doesn't? Probably because Ubuntu sems to be aimed at a demographic that would be confused by the error message. I say that as a Ubuntu user. I switched from RH 7.3 and am seriously considering going to CentOS because Ubuntu seems as someone else has said, to be Linux with training wheels (not that I consider myself an expert). -- Bob Holtzman The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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