Re: Running BIND for home network name resolution

[Technomage_Hawke]

I've been there man. managing a bunch of hosts files is waay too much work. 
I tried the BIND for local networks but could never quite get it to work right.

On Aug 11, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> I want to set up a small network of selenium-rc nodes for web testing. I'd 
> like one to be the selenium server, a couple testing nodes, and the test web 
> server. 
> I could do hosts files, but then if I grow the network, or change it, the 
> idea of managing all of the hosts files seems like a pain. I hoped DNS would 
> be a better solution AND it seemed like a great reason to learn how to setup 
> BIND.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:
> Eric Cope wrote:
> Hello all,
> I want to setup FQDNs for my home network.
> 
> Why? What do you intend to accomplish?
> (Too often people try implementing a solution for a problem they don't really 
> understand.)
> 
> Does anyone have a good tutorial on setting up BIND for a Mac/Windows/*nix 
> environment? I was hoping to keep DHCP from my router (it supports static 
> DHCP - yes I know that's contradictory).
> I have a dynDNS account, .dyndns.org .
> 
> 
> I want to be able to assign names like
> 
> macbook..dyndns.org  for my macbook
> crappy..dyndns.org  for my windows machine
> e-server..dyndns.org  for my freebsd server
> ...
> 
> To be able to do this from the outside/wan, you simply need a client program 
> that tells dyndns.org what your (router's if you have cable, or  DSL modem's 
> if you use DSL) public IP address is, and when it changes. See 
> http://www.dyndns.com/support/clients/. That program (there are several from 
> which to choose, some of which are already built-in to firewalls such as 
> IPCop) can run on your router or any one of your computers behind it. There 
> are several ways you can do this, none of which directly involve bind. DynDNS 
> handles all the bind stuff for you on the public side.
> 
> On the lan side of things, you can set up a private DNS server if you'd like, 
> but for a handful of computers, it's often easier to just edit the hosts file 
> on each machine.
> 
> 
> My googling has come up short, mostly because my search terms are lame. 
> Anyone have any ideas? tips? tutorials? good search terms? I don't want to 
> rely on hosts files.
> 
> Again, why (not)?
> 
> Personally, I use IPCop, which takes care of all of this (and much more) for 
> me. IPCop is relatively simple, and very reliable.
> 
> -- 
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Re: Running BIND for home network name resolution

[Technomage_Hawke]

thank you. I'll probably see if I can do something with the dd-wrt machine out 
in the front closet (its my router or whatever I need it to be).

On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> I found this link...
> http://wiki.genunix2.org:8080/wiki/index.php/Setting_Up_DNS/BIND_On_a_Home_Network
> 
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Technomage_Hawke 
>  wrote:
> I've been there man. managing a bunch of hosts files is waay too much 
> work. I tried the BIND for local networks but could never quite get it to 
> work right.
> 
> On Aug 11, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Eric Cope wrote:
> 
>> I want to set up a small network of selenium-rc nodes for web testing. I'd 
>> like one to be the selenium server, a couple testing nodes, and the test web 
>> server. 
>> I could do hosts files, but then if I grow the network, or change it, the 
>> idea of managing all of the hosts files seems like a pain. I hoped DNS would 
>> be a better solution AND it seemed like a great reason to learn how to setup 
>> BIND.
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:
>> Eric Cope wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I want to setup FQDNs for my home network.
>> 
>> Why? What do you intend to accomplish?
>> (Too often people try implementing a solution for a problem they don't 
>> really understand.)
>> 
>> Does anyone have a good tutorial on setting up BIND for a Mac/Windows/*nix 
>> environment? I was hoping to keep DHCP from my router (it supports static 
>> DHCP - yes I know that's contradictory).
>> I have a dynDNS account, .dyndns.org <http://dyndns.org>.
>> 
>> 
>> I want to be able to assign names like
>> 
>> macbook..dyndns.org <http://dyndns.org> for my macbook
>> crappy..dyndns.org <http://dyndns.org> for my windows machine
>> e-server..dyndns.org <http://dyndns.org> for my freebsd server
>> ...
>> 
>> To be able to do this from the outside/wan, you simply need a client program 
>> that tells dyndns.org what your (router's if you have cable, or  DSL modem's 
>> if you use DSL) public IP address is, and when it changes. See 
>> http://www.dyndns.com/support/clients/. That program (there are several from 
>> which to choose, some of which are already built-in to firewalls such as 
>> IPCop) can run on your router or any one of your computers behind it. There 
>> are several ways you can do this, none of which directly involve bind. 
>> DynDNS handles all the bind stuff for you on the public side.
>> 
>> On the lan side of things, you can set up a private DNS server if you'd 
>> like, but for a handful of computers, it's often easier to just edit the 
>> hosts file on each machine.
>> 
>> 
>> My googling has come up short, mostly because my search terms are lame. 
>> Anyone have any ideas? tips? tutorials? good search terms? I don't want to 
>> rely on hosts files.
>> 
>> Again, why (not)?
>> 
>> Personally, I use IPCop, which takes care of all of this (and much more) for 
>> me. IPCop is relatively simple, and very reliable.
>> 
>> -- 
>> -Eric 'shubes'
>> 
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Re: Kaseya Agents & You

[Technomage_Hawke]

uh yeah, and its why I didn't comment about the tool. I knew it would go this 
way. The tool itself appears pretty innocuous by itself. However, as we all 
know, any tool can be abused.


On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!
> 

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request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

I know we've had this discussion before but I need to ask again.

will you folks at least top post your replies. I find it difficult yo go 
through all those replies to get to the response at the bottom. If you think I 
am kidding, please imagine yourself either reading this list by braille or 
listening to it by text to speech. believe me, 2 or 3 replies deep with the 
plug advertisement in between gets old fast. 

Believe me, I don't make this request lightly. I had recent changes in what was 
left of my eyesight, thus making it impossible for me to even read large print. 
before I would work around this problem by skimming. I can't do that anymore. I 
have to depend on speech for now until I get braille trained. 

if you feel you must bottom post, don't quote all that data, trim to the 
salient point then post.

Again, I don't request this lightly. I also ask that you understand my position 
and why I ask this.

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Re: Fresh Ubuntu Installation - Events/0 consumes most of cpu

[Technomage_Hawke]

here is a link to a bug report describing the very problem you are having:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/67126

I didn't read the whole thing but there may be a solution.


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Re: Fresh Ubuntu Installation - Events/0 consumes most of cpu

[Technomage_Hawke]

last I heard, LILO was old tech. Most everyone installing Linux these days uses 
GRUB. 
its been a very long time since last I used LILO on any system (and it had 
problems with dual boot systems at times).

you might try 'apt-get install grub' and see if that works for you.

- Eric

On Aug 12, 2010, at 11:43 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> I looked for /boot/grub/menu.lst
> Then, I tried to run grub, but grub is not currently installed. Is LILO the 
> preferred boot loader? I thought for sure Grub would be...
> 
> Eric
> 

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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

short answer: yes.
longer answer, if you can use a mail application and pop everything from gmail, 
then you would be able to do this a bit better. unfortunately webmail doesn't 
have the functionality of a desktop or portable app.

On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:

> How does one get gmail to "prune the excess"? I have tried highlighting just 
> the lines I want to quote and then clicking on reply, but I get the entire 
> message and all the history. Do I have to manually delete all the lines I 
> don't want in each reply? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Stephen  wrote:
> This Has been turned into a heated debate twice here since i was on
> list, I prefer top post with relevant information added below, trimmed
> if excessive. But thats just me.
> 
> there are many on list that would heatedly argue for a bottom post so
> they have the history first. who knows. I have liked how Gmail can
> prune the excess for me.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:12 PM, John  wrote:
> > I like top posting myself but some lists will run you off for top posting 
> > so I just bottom post to be on the safe side.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Technomage_Hawke  wrote:
> >
> >> From: Technomage_Hawke 
> >> Subject: request you top post please
> >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> >> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 7:47 PM
> >> I know we've had this discussion
> >> before but I need to ask again.
> >>
> >> will you folks at least top post your replies. I find it
> >> difficult yo go through all those replies to get to the
> >> response at the bottom. If you think I am kidding, please
> >> imagine yourself either reading this list by braille or
> >> listening to it by text to speech. believe me, 2 or 3
> >> replies deep with the plug advertisement in between gets old
> >> fast.
> >>
> >> Believe me, I don't make this request lightly. I had recent
> >> changes in what was left of my eyesight, thus making it
> >> impossible for me to even read large print. before I would
> >> work around this problem by skimming. I can't do that
> >> anymore. I have to depend on speech for now until I get
> >> braille trained.
> >>
> >> if you feel you must bottom post, don't quote all that
> >> data, trim to the salient point then post.
> >>
> >> Again, I don't request this lightly. I also ask that you
> >> understand my position and why I ask this.
> >>
> >> Thanks
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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

I use VoiceOver in OS X these days. I don't have linux on a stand-alone machine 
to do that currently. 

I have tried orca in a virtualbox session, but found it a little choppy (VM 
problems).

On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Ed wrote:

> Technomage, you might try a dedicated command line news reader to
> better consume PLUG emails in audio - ask Dennis about some of the
> alternatives.
> do you use Emacs for your speech tool?
> The reason for bottom posting is made at the bottom of this email -
> you can skip that.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Phillips
>  wrote:
>> How does one get gmail to "prune the excess"? I have tried highlighting just
>> the lines I want to quote and then clicking on reply, but I get the entire
>> message and all the history. Do I have to manually delete all the lines I
>> don't want in each reply?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This Has been turned into a heated debate twice here since i was on
>>> list, I prefer top post with relevant information added below, trimmed
>>> if excessive. But thats just me.
>>> 
>>> there are many on list that would heatedly argue for a bottom post so
>>> they have the history first. who knows. I have liked how Gmail can
>>> prune the excess for me.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:12 PM, John  wrote:
>>>> I like top posting myself but some lists will run you off for top
>>>> posting so I just bottom post to be on the safe side.
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Technomage_Hawke 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Technomage_Hawke 
>>>>> Subject: request you top post please
>>>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>>>>> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 7:47 PM
>>>>> I know we've had this discussion
>>>>> before but I need to ask again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> will you folks at least top post your replies. I find it
>>>>> difficult yo go through all those replies to get to the
>>>>> response at the bottom. If you think I am kidding, please
>>>>> imagine yourself either reading this list by braille or
>>>>> listening to it by text to speech. believe me, 2 or 3
>>>>> replies deep with the plug advertisement in between gets old
>>>>> fast.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Believe me, I don't make this request lightly. I had recent
>>>>> changes in what was left of my eyesight, thus making it
>>>>> impossible for me to even read large print. before I would
>>>>> work around this problem by skimming. I can't do that
>>>>> anymore. I have to depend on speech for now until I get
>>>>> braille trained.
>>>>> 
> 
> 
> Top posting is done in the business world because business emails only
> get reviewed by lawyers.
> Lists that may be reviewed for technical insight, or to understand a
> problem should be bottom posted so that the sequence of
> question-refinement-answer-confimation is preserved.
> PLUG is nominally a technical list - so post as you wish, just know
> that when you are scolded, you earned it. btw trimming email cruft is
> appreciated.
> 
> The ability to filter on posting style does not (yet) exist in an
> email client - ymmv
> and yes gmail makes a bottom posted sequence of emails very readable -
> with little kbrd/mouse
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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

clearly my migraine is affecting my thought process or I would have suggested 
that :)

but that is a decent shortcut.

On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:04 PM, m...@mjv.com wrote:

> Put the blinking cursor at behind the last text you are including within your 
> reply, ahead of the remaining text you are culling, then hold down the 
> CTRL+SHIFT keys and hit the END key and everything after that cursor will be 
> selected. Then just hit the BACKSPACE or DELETE key and you're set.
> 
> Be well,
> Mike in Zone 8, Texas
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> 
> 
> On Fri, August 13, 2010 11:28 am, Mark Phillips wrote:
> > How does one get gmail to "prune the excess"? I have tried highlighting
> > just the lines I want to quote and then clicking on reply, but I get the
> > entire message and all the history. Do I have to manually delete all the
> > lines I don't want in each reply?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

I rather you would. it makes more sense. and some people just won't trim, which 
means even if they have a valid point, by the time  I get to it, I'll have 
moved on without considering it. This is just simply no way to have an 
intelligent mail conversation.

On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Tuna wrote:

> On 08/13/2010 12:21 PM, Technomage_Hawke wrote:
>> 
>> clearly my migraine is affecting my thought process or I would have 
>> suggested that :)
>> 
>> but that is a decent shortcut.
> So we don't have to top-post? ;)
> 

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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

this I can deal with... 

On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:

> Ed,
>  Not everyone agrees with the bottom-post-for-technical approach, it's a 
> personal preference more than anything.

sometimes that personal preference can cause unintended problems.

> Technomage_Hawke is using reading tools that don't skip effectively (no 
> visual interface).
> It's not a lack of GUI, it's a lack of any capability to see the text, and 
> he's absolutely correct that viewing bottom-post in a screen reader or 
> braille reader is excruciating, at best.
> 
excruciating? thats putting it mildly! I am just learning braille and reading 
this right now without speech is like trying to read a billboard 300 feet long 
and 125 feet high while you are standing right below it. very slow indeed.

btw, I have a set mode where I can read a single sentence at a time and respond 
to it on the next line (one of the few things VoiceOver did right).

> I've generally found the following compromise to work reasonably well:
> 
> 1) top post if it makes sense to do so, if people want the history they can 
> keep reading.
and it makes life easier for the visually impaired user .

> 2) post interlocutory if you're responding point-by-point to something; 
> bracket your comments with --- so the visually impaired can tell more easily 
> when the author changes.
like I am doing here. harder, but doable.

> 3) Bottom post if it's preferred on a list or if someone requests it, but 
> remove as much of the thread history as you can so screen readers and braille 
> devices don't have to re-read the entire conversation with every email.
The operative word here is TRIM. the last 2 weeks I have missed out on 
conversations because getting to the bottom was so frustrating that i gave up 
and deleted the mails.

> 4) Use a thread-aware email client to make it easier to accept that others 
> should make their own choices in this regard.
> 
mail.app is "thread aware" after a fashion, unfortunately, it has no feature to 
"hide" quoted material. I have submitted a feature request with apple.

now this was a little harder for me, I had to read through everything first to 
determine breaks and then reread each point I wanted to respond to. takes about 
5 minutes (been upping the speech speed so its starting to take less time).


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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

a majority of the lists I am on (about 100 in all) tend to top post or trim and 
respond to each point. granted, a lot of these lists are blind related, but 
some also deal with ham radio and various other topics of interest. I never 
said it was evil, just extremely frustrating.

btw, see how my posts are trimmed to get rid of all but the last post? this has 
at least 2 advantages:
1. message length is short
2. the salient point I am responding to is preserved.


On Aug 13, 2010, at 1:06 PM, m...@mjv.com wrote:

> Not everyone? Let's say MOST. I've been on 70+ listservs for over a decade 
> and bottom-posters are extremely rare at best. If everyone else is posting a 
> certain way consistently, why suddenly say they're wrong and demand posting 
> the opposite way? I mean, what is right and wrong with the difference between 
> top and bottom posting as if one is evil and the other good? In this case, 
> majority rules. Trying to make people do something different on one list than 
> on all the other lists is just ridiculous and disingenuous. 
> 
> Be well,
> Mike in Zone 8, Texas
> 

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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

now your just being silly! 

I am requesting top posting, or at the very least, a lot of trimming to get to 
the point.
imagine trying to real loads and loads of responses in a single mail just to 
get to the last (and most recent) reply using braille or speech only (no 
screen, no eyes!). I am now blind enough that large print is no longer feasible 
and the other two methods are slow (getting faster). but still, being forced to 
listen to 3, 4, 5, or even 6 layers of quotes? NO THANK YOU!

I ask for a bit of understanding here. 
On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:23 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote:

> 
> 
> This certainly IS like herding cats, or ducks or, or...
> 
> A thread starts with a subject created by the first author and his/her 
> question.
> I was offhand wondering why so MANY replies are NOT made to the original post.
> Nor even to the topic's author.  Dialog for it's own sake.  Reminds me of FOX 
> news.
> Opinions on opinions of opinions for opinions by opinions . . .
> Well, okay it's not ALL pure junk.
> 
> So,
> Usually there are multiple direct replies before a topic's author can respond.
> The cruft accumulates, and no one (politely) trims off the bottoms or the 
> tops.
> There oughta be a law!  
> But instead there will prolly be some newfangled thread enforcement program 
> nobody likes.
> Kinda like the M$ crud at the bottom of my free mail.
> 
> I can't wait for side-posting.  Aren't some languages right to left?
> 
> For example,
> Anyone speak Apache?  Here's an unreplied coding question (07/31):
> 
> ---.htaccess
> 

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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

its called a habit man. 

the fact that you are aware of it and making the change means good things. 

I saw on another list post in here (about SSl) that someone started trimming 
and posting responses directly related to the quotes. it does seem to make a 
difference and allow me to still follow the conversation (keep up the good work 
guys!) without a lot of extraneous material to have to listen to. It may even 
make better sense doing it that way for all of us (just my opinion).

anyway, I wouldn't call this a flame0war... more like a lively bar-b-que 

On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Vaughn Treude wrote:

> Hate to get in the flamewar, but I was corresponding with a lady on a social 
> site, and she said my bottom-posting drove her crazy! I didn't even think 
> about it, I'd been so well trained... :-)
> Vaughn
> 

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Re: request you top post please

[Technomage_Hawke]

in a word, yes.
I can actually have each box as a separate header in VoiceOVer (I've been on a 
number of phpBB boards and find them easy to navigate). 

Also, a couple of extra points:
1. phpBB is actually easier to maintain backups for (and can be moved from 
server to server easily)
2. phpBB adheres to a standard web page format (some appearance stuff can be 
modified)

I have a friend in kansas who recommends that if you use phpBB, that you check 
out MariaDB (MySQL fork). There is some question with MySQL about support 
coming up as oracle has acquired MySQL.

On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Ed wrote:

> Technomage_Hawke
> Do you find forums like phpBB easier to work with than mallist - or not?
> I ask because there was a request to move the PLUG list into a forum.
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Re: East side Stammtisch at NEW LOCATION

[Technomage_Hawke]

I know what you mean by limitations of public transit. its so bad of late that 
I can't even get to my vocational rehabilitation meetings without having to use 
a cab (and thats rather expensive).

what this means for linux related jobs: most employers don't see public transit 
as a viable form of reliable transportation. thus: no car, no job. you can 
telecommute on some contracts, but without a car, you are rather stuck (in my 
case, try being blind and depending on the transit system: good luck!).

on the linux related note: I am planning to install a speech/braille enabled 
Linux OS to one of my machines soon. only problem, I have yet to find one that 
has speech enabled from the boot up. any suggestions?

On Aug 23, 2010, at 4:31 PM, William Lindley wrote:

> Horrible location.
> 
> Can't get back from there on public transit.
> 
> Needs to be in downtown Tempe or Phoenix, preferably on the trolley line.
> 
> \\/

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Re: OT: what monitoring elections looks like at times...

[Technomage_Hawke]

I listened to those vids. in the second one I found the commentary of the woman 
in the background rather intriguing. She did have a point about not being 
videotaped, however, that only applies to private individuals in public or 
private settings. Since the guy doing the documentary was acting in the guise 
of a reporter (blogger, youtube, etc) he also had rights to tape (especially if 
it was for the purposes of providing a public record of the election process). 

They do have "open records" and "transparency" laws in this state and its about 
time public officials realized that we have a right to know whats going on, 
especially where our votes are concerned.

- Eric

On Aug 27, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Jim March wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aF0AVBQMMs
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/wearechangeaz#p/u/6/RuCu9XC1lq4
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Re: going M$ free

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I quit using  M$ after my eyes became unusable for even large print. I Haven't 
tried NVDA (an open source speech synth for windows) yet. However that doesn't 
matter now as I use a mac with voiceover. I spent just under $400 for a used 
Imac intel machine and purchased snow leopard for $29.00 from amazon and have 
had accessibility ever since with no special setup or spending nearly $2,000 
for JFW (software and card and training). 

So far, mac has been a lifesaver for me. I can read the mails from Plug, browse 
web sites and generally do all I could do before (except play video games). 

I wanted to setup Adrian knoppix under virtual-box but had a snag. The live cd 
would work fine but the install would crash almost as soon as the kernel  was 
done loading. If I can't configure it there and be able to configure end to 
end, then I won't be able to do the same on my currently inaccessible powerbook 
g3.

Does anyone have any alternative suggestions?
 
On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Tim Bogart wrote:

> This is great.  I'll tell you the same thing I tell others.  Using M$ is like 
> hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.  It just feels so good when you 
> stop.  I kicked the M$ dust off my shoes years ago and never looked back.  
> And never regretted it either.
> 
> Good luck, man.
> 
> My $0.02.
> 
> Tim B.
> 
> From: keith smith 
> To: Main PLUG discussion list 
> Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 10:16:44 AM
> Subject: Re: going M$ free
> 
> 
> That is cool!!
> 
> So you are only using the apps you can only run under windows, like IE.  You 
> do all your browsing and email using Linux so you are less vulnerable to 
> malware, rootkits, and all the other junk that is our there.
> 
> Nice!! 
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
> --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Kevin Fries  wrote:
> 
> From: Kevin Fries 
> Subject: Re: going M$ free
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 9:44 AM
> 
> Even better, VBox has a mode called seamless mode.  I need Vision every so 
> often, so I have XP in a vbox instance.  I have an icon on my desktop that 
> uses the command line interface to start the Windows instance on demand, 
> otherwise why waste the resources.  When I first set ut up, Windows came up 
> in a window, but I auto-hid the launch bar and hit ctrl-L to go into seamless 
> mode.  Now, when I move my mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen, the 
> start menu appears, and I can launch any program I installed in my windows 
> instance.  Freaks out the Windows guys because it makes it look like your 
> windows program is actually running on Linux... ah geek fun!!
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2010 10:34 AM, "keith smith"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So basically I install my favorite distro of Linux.  Download and install 
>> the compatible version of virtualbox.  Then install XP in the virtualbox.
>> 
>> Would I be able to open an instance of XP in a window?  Like opening 
>> multiple browser tabs?  That way I would be able to go back and forth 
>> between Windows and Linux. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Keith Smith
>> 
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>> From: Ariel Gold 
>> Subject: Re: going M$ free
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 9:25 AM
>> > > I also run virtualbox for IE testing. I run tinyxp, which runs blazing 
>> > > fast (not that i've done...
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free to good home - 2 sun pizza boxes (old style)

[Technomage_Hawke]

I have 2 remaining sun OS pizza box machines with spare hardware. I haven't 
used them in a couple of years. I managed to install openBSD on them and had 
once used them as a firewall and misc services. I cut my teeth on OpenBSD on 
these babies. They have been sitting on a shelf for about 2 years. these are 
the off-white (beige) models.

I have some spare cards and memory modules to fit these things.

if anyone wants them for either nostalgia or something firewall like, please 
e-mail me off list. since I can't travel (blind and room mates without a car) I 
would expect if you want them, coming to my place would be preferred.

- Eric

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sun sparc pizza boxen spoke for

[Technomage_Hawke]

ok,
the pizza boxen have been spoken for.
thanks all for your interest.

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Re: going M$ free

[Technomage_Hawke]

Lisa,
thanks for the heads up.. I am unable to even access the messages file on that 
partition. I may have to erase and start again.  I really wish that my 
powerbook supported at least OS X 10.4.x then I could voiceover there. 
unfortunately apple decided to EOL the g3 thru G5 series machines after they 
went intel. :( That really leaves me with having to seek alternatives.  One 
nice thing about snow leopard is that I can take linux code, peak/tweak it for 
OS X, set the compile flags for G3 and produce X apps that will run on a G3 and 
they will run (at  least under 10.3.9 with te X app). I really would like to do 
the same under a VM'ed linux (intel -> ppc) and make some more up to date 
packages for ppc linux. However, that will have to wait until I have a working 
linux on the G3 and have fully configured. 

BTW, does anyone have any suggestions for an X GUI that doesn't need a mouse 
for access?

- Eric

On Sep 16, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Technomage_Hawke 
>  wrote:
> I quit using  M$ after my eyes became unusable for even large print. I 
> Haven't tried NVDA (an open source speech synth for windows) yet. However 
> that doesn't matter now as I use a mac with voiceover. I spent just under 
> $400 for a used Imac intel machine and purchased snow leopard for $29.00 from 
> amazon and have had accessibility ever since with no special setup or 
> spending nearly $2,000 for JFW (software and card and training). 
> 
> So far, mac has been a lifesaver for me. I can read the mails from Plug, 
> browse web sites and generally do all I could do before (except play video 
> games). 
> 
> I wanted to setup Adrian knoppix under virtual-box but had a snag. The live 
> cd would work fine but the install would crash almost as soon as the kernel  
> was done loading. If I can't configure it there and be able to configure end 
> to end, then I won't be able to do the same on my currently inaccessible 
> powerbook g3.
> 
> Does anyone have any alternative suggestions?
>  
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a8XaJIdpQ4  knoppix 6 on virtualbox
> 
> Knoppix Adrienne can be remastered for Live CD on a MAC Virtualbox.
> 
> A Virtualbox installation of knoppix 6.0, while difficult, can be done.  
> Follow up to determine the reason for the "crashing" and use the forums to 
> resolve your issue.  Believe me, it's probably you display or video settings, 
> and so easy and so worth it to get it going.  
> 
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> Convert an existing Knoppix 6.0 image (Vmware) to Virtualbox:  
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-convert-vmware-image-to-virtualbox-image.html
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talking linux for PPC (G3 Lombard)

[Technomage_Hawke]

well,
I tried adriane knoppix. it still has a lot of work needed on it. There didn't 
appear to be a lot of documentation for using it in a shell (especially where 
trying to get a screen review to work). The X desktop was even worse, I 
couldn't access anything without a mouse (which I can't use). 

I need a version of linux that will work out of the box and be installable on 
my old powerbook G3. I really would like to have that unit working. 

I am looking around for other distributions for the blind, but so far, a lot of 
them require some visual assistance to install and configure (a definite 
sticking point for me). I might need some help from the plug list on this. 
otherwise, I have a paperweight for a portable that won't work with a later 
version of OS X.

- Eric

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Re: talking linux for PPC (G3 Lombard)

[Technomage_Hawke]

hehehe. no kidding!
I'd have to setup some remote compiling as I wouldn't want to wait on that 
machine.

- Eric

On Sep 18, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Stephen wrote:

> I recall seeing a PPC built version of Gentoo, they are pretty nice
> and disgustingly flexible, but be prepared to do allot of waiting for
> complies
> 
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Technomage_Hawke
>  wrote:
>> well,
>> I tried adriane knoppix. it still has a lot of work needed on it. There 
>> didn't appear to be a lot of documentation for using it in a shell 
>> (especially where trying to get a screen review to work). The X desktop was 
>> even worse, I couldn't access anything without a mouse (which I can't use).
>> 
>> I need a version of linux that will work out of the box and be installable 
>> on my old powerbook G3. I really would like to have that unit working.
>> 
>> I am looking around for other distributions for the blind, but so far, a lot 
>> of them require some visual assistance to install and configure (a definite 
>> sticking point for me). I might need some help from the plug list on this. 
>> otherwise, I have a paperweight for a portable that won't work with a later 
>> version of OS X.
>> 
>> - Eric
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Re: talking linux for PPC (G3 Lombard)

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yeah,
thats a problem. I am  the only computer savvy person under my roof and the 
others are barely computer literate. This present a problem as they would have 
to tell me whats on the screen and if they don't say it exactly, the meaning 
gets changed for me (and questions can be answered wrong). It sounds like a 
lack of faith on my part, but believe me, these guys are not technical and I 
can be very demanding about exactitude.

btw, anyone happen to know how to navigate an X session (kde or gnome) by 
keyboard only? Adraine knoppix has a full Xsession, but I was unable to find a 
way to get to the menu  by anything other than having someone come it and open 
it with a mouse.

- Eric

On Sep 19, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Ariel Gold wrote:

> You might try Yellow Dog Linux. I don't know about Powerbook G3, but I was 
> using it successfully on a Powerbook G4. I'm sorry, but I have no idea if you 
> can install it without visual assistance.
> 
> 2010/9/18 Technomage_Hawke 
> well,
> I tried adriane knoppix. it still has a lot of work needed on it. There 
> didn't appear to be a lot of documentation for using it in a shell 
> (especially where trying to get a screen review to work). The X desktop was 
> even worse, I couldn't access anything without a mouse (which I can't use).
> 
> I need a version of linux that will work out of the box and be installable on 
> my old powerbook G3. I really would like to have that unit working.
> 
> I am looking around for other distributions for the blind, but so far, a lot 
> of them require some visual assistance to install and configure (a definite 
> sticking point for me). I might need some help from the plug list on this. 
> otherwise, I have a paperweight for a portable that won't work with a later 
> version of OS X.
> 
> - Eric
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Re: OT- small town

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perhaps they earned enough money to do what they want. if it means they want to 
work the small town fair circuit, then they can. Then again, perhaps they do 
that on the weekends and work other jobs during the week. who knows?

btw, is there much of a linux community up there in cottonwood?

On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> Hi guys... I live in small-town cottonwood. I just got back cottonwood days. 
> You aren't going to believe who I saw; the Gin Blossoms. Look at the great 
> height they've fallen from. It's almolst as bad as seeing stephenwolf at the 
> AZ state fair.
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Re: OT- small town

[Technomage_Hawke]

Now if I can move to a small town out of the desert, find wireless and have 
some services for the blind as well, I'd be in hog heaven. :)

-Eric

On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> one guy in Jerome and then me (as far as I know) are into linux. There are a 
> few in Prescott and flagstaff. The guys in flagstaff do their own thing. We 
> were supposed tyo do a get-together in Jerome this month sometime. Just need 
> to find wifi somewhere up there. That is proving to be more difficult than I 
> expected.
> 
> Gin Blossom's sound like they always have... thye're even coming out with a 
> new album.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Technomage_Hawke 
>  wrote:
> perhaps they earned enough money to do what they want. if it means they want 
> to work the small town fair circuit, then they can. Then again, perhaps they 
> do that on the weekends and work other jobs during the week. who knows?
> 
> btw, is there much of a linux community up there in cottonwood?
> 
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys... I live in small-town cottonwood. I just got back cottonwood 
> > days. You aren't going to believe who I saw; the Gin Blossoms. Look at the 
> > great height they've fallen from. It's almolst as bad as seeing stephenwolf 
> > at the AZ state fair.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.04 on PPC (Pre Intel MAC)

[Technomage_Hawke]

it was me.
I need a talking linux for a ppc powerbook G3 (lombard bronze keyboard).


On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Stephen wrote:

> I know we had someone looking for getting Linux on his mac as mac will
> no longer upgrade and he has an older Power PC based Macbook of some
> flavor.
> 
> I am horrible with who was asking for what and names involved but i
> did some random perusing
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/
> 
> I don't know if either of the above bits of information had been
> ready, but it might be of interest. and i know 10.04 has a pretty
> hefty number of accessibility options built in.
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Re: Oct west side: Inkscape

[Technomage_Hawke]

any possibility of arranging a ride?
I am out on the west end at 83rd Ave. and indianschool rd. my room mate no 
longer has a car and getting the bus to the meeting site would be doable, but 
not coming back. I would appreciate any help that can be offered.

-Eric

On Oct 18, 2010, at 12:33 PM, der.hans wrote:

> moin moin,
> 
> http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/338
> 
> 2010 Oct 27 - 19:00
> 
> DeVry University / Keller Graduate School of Management
> 6751 N Sunset Blvd, Glendale, AZ
> 
> Topic: Benjamin will be presenting a tutorial on Inkscape basics which
> include working with paths, text, objects, and their layout/design. He
> will show how you can import a bitmap and convert it to a vector
> equivalent, and how to touch it up and export it. He likes to have an open
> discussion so if we need to get more technical, we can.
> 
> Bio: Benjamin serves as Chief Information Officer for a construction
> company based in Phoenix. He oversees the technology, graphic design,
> security, and communications for 24 remote offices throughout the United
> States. Benjamin loves working with people and technology to see how
> creative approaches can be applied to leverage business strategies. He
> have been using and promoting Linux and FreeBSD since 2003, and his
> company currently runs Linux on the majority of its servers. Before his
> foray into the technical side of computers, he was a graphic artist and he
> still loves using open source design tools including Inkscape, GIMP, and
> Scribus wherever possible. Benjamin received his Bachelors degree in
> Computer Engineering Technology from DeVry (Phoenix) in 2004, and his
> Masters degree in Information Management from ASU in 2009. Benjamin's
> current technical interests include virtualization and security.
> 
> Inkscape: From http://inkscape.org/ - Inkscape is "an Open Source vector
> graphics editor, with capabilities similar to Illustrator, CorelDraw, or
> Xara X, using the W3C standard Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) file format.
> 
> Inkscape supports many advanced SVG features (markers, clones, alpha
> blending, etc.) and great care is taken in designing a streamlined
> interface. It is very easy to edit nodes, perform complex path operations,
> trace bitmaps and much more. [Inkscape folks] also aim to maintain a
> thriving user and developer community by using open, community-oriented
> development."
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans
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Re: Oct west side: Inkscape

[Technomage_Hawke]

I forgot to mention, I don't know that area very well. I'd get off the bus and 
end up trying to find the front entrance of the campus. then finding the room 
would be yet another challenge. I would have to have someone meet me there. 
believe me, a lot has changed for me in the last 3.5 months (my eyes failed and 
I have some balance issues as a results).

I reread the address. I have never been to that campus. I thought it was the 
one on dunlap. new place means I need Orientation and mobility training. I am 
not sure the bus runs there specifically. I might be able to schedule a "dial a 
ride" one way trip, but without any working knowledge of that campus, I would 
be completely lost.

man, being totally blind sucks. :(

-Eric

On Oct 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Benjamin Francom wrote:

> Everyone: Just  to reiterate, this is Oct 27th, a week after this
> coming Wednesday.
> 
> Technomage: I can give you a ride back no prob. Just give me the
> pertinent details off list.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Technomage_Hawke
>  wrote:
>> any possibility of arranging a ride?
>> I am out on the west end at 83rd Ave. and indianschool rd. my room mate no 
>> longer has a car and getting the bus to the meeting site would be doable, 
>> but not coming back. I would appreciate any help that can be offered.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 12:33 PM, der.hans wrote:
>> 
>>> moin moin,
>>> 
>>> http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/338
>>> 
>>> 2010 Oct 27 - 19:00
>>> 
>>> DeVry University / Keller Graduate School of Management
>>> 6751 N Sunset Blvd, Glendale, AZ
>>> 
>>> Topic: Benjamin will be presenting a tutorial on Inkscape basics which
>>> include working with paths, text, objects, and their layout/design. He
>>> will show how you can import a bitmap and convert it to a vector
>>> equivalent, and how to touch it up and export it. He likes to have an open
>>> discussion so if we need to get more technical, we can.
>>> 
>>> Bio: Benjamin serves as Chief Information Officer for a construction
>>> company based in Phoenix. He oversees the technology, graphic design,
>>> security, and communications for 24 remote offices throughout the United
>>> States. Benjamin loves working with people and technology to see how
>>> creative approaches can be applied to leverage business strategies. He
>>> have been using and promoting Linux and FreeBSD since 2003, and his
>>> company currently runs Linux on the majority of its servers. Before his
>>> foray into the technical side of computers, he was a graphic artist and he
>>> still loves using open source design tools including Inkscape, GIMP, and
>>> Scribus wherever possible. Benjamin received his Bachelors degree in
>>> Computer Engineering Technology from DeVry (Phoenix) in 2004, and his
>>> Masters degree in Information Management from ASU in 2009. Benjamin's
>>> current technical interests include virtualization and security.
>>> 
>>> Inkscape: From http://inkscape.org/ - Inkscape is "an Open Source vector
>>> graphics editor, with capabilities similar to Illustrator, CorelDraw, or
>>> Xara X, using the W3C standard Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) file format.
>>> 
>>> Inkscape supports many advanced SVG features (markers, clones, alpha
>>> blending, etc.) and great care is taken in designing a streamlined
>>> interface. It is very easy to edit nodes, perform complex path operations,
>>> trace bitmaps and much more. [Inkscape folks] also aim to maintain a
>>> thriving user and developer community by using open, community-oriented
>>> development."
>>> 
>>> ciao,
>>> 
>>> der.hans
>>> --
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>>> # -- Robert Heinlein
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Re: [OT] Gmail Nested Labels

[Technomage_Hawke]

I never knew they had nested labels. also have not noticed any slowdown in 
gmail performance. but then, I don't use iMap here either.

-eric

On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:28 PM, mike hoy wrote:

> anyone using nested labels in gmail and noticing the performance is quite 
> slow on labels lower in the hierarchy?
> 
> example:
> 
> lists/linux/lugs takes a lot longer than
> lists/
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Work Shop this Saturday - confirmation

[Technomage_Hawke]

wow,
this is old hat for me. I created a number of machines, including a few that 
vmware was not exactly designed to do, but worked.

it is amazing what you can do with a few design holes.

-Eric

On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> I'm going to answer with a yes, but hopefully Eric will chime in to verify.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM, keith smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just wanted to confirm this was going to happen.  I want to "observer" the 
> Qmail-Toaster configuration so I can install it to a backup server.
> 
> Will the Qmail-Toaster configuration be presented as well? 
> 
> And the location is still UAT room 208?
> 
> Thank you in advance for taking on this project!
> 
> 
> 
> Start: 2010 Oct 23 - 10:00
> End: 2010 Oct 23 - 16:00
> Timezone: Etc/GMT-7
> There will be a workshop where we'll be creating VMware Server hosts suitable 
> for home use. Eric Shubert of PLUG will lead a workshop using a projection 
> monitor to demonstrate the process. Observers are welcome, but BYO hardware, 
> and we'll supply the software and guidance to load and configure a CentOS 5.5 
> / VMware Server 2 host, as well as guest virtual machines for IPCop (network 
> services), and Qmail-Toaster (LAMP and email) onto your system. NOTE: 
> Participants should be comfortable with the Command Line Interface, as 
> portions will have no GUI components.
> 
> See the document "Server Build Workshop_v2" in the Installfest Materials in 
> the left of this web page for details.
> 
> Please RSVP to Dazed_75, or to the related thread on the PLUG discuss list.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
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