OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote: > These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be > stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give > the > president the (unconstitutional) power to declare war. Do your > research > on the bills and write, but especially, phone our senators and your > representative. Yes, because "all costs" are defined as "write or phone your senator and representative". In my book, "all costs" involves murder, mayhem, guns, armor, and an all out civil war. Be careful about using "all costs" in any way. No, I will continue to demand my right to vote in every election and on every bill. We are a constitutional republic and I tell you now that I *do not accept* how this country is being run and how the power lies in the few. You have provided ample examples already of how tyranny will continue in this government. I will execute the powers that I have. And the only power *I* possess is my ability to vote. And the *few* have already oppressed that enough. However, until I am provided the ability to voice my concerns with a quantifiable result (called a vote), this country *is broken*. I will not "call my Senator" because, honestly, he isn't going to listen (I'm not a Republican and therefore, did not scratch his back during the election). He can't handle all the calls and make the appointments and take care of his constituents. Sure, when the Constitution was written, it was possible for a Senator and Representative to keep up with the 1000 constituents he had to report to...but that is not how it is today, and it doesn't work anymore. So, continue to bring forth your call to arms and literally *beg* the elected official to do your bidding. Kiss that butt of Senator McCain and polish his shoes and maybe he will hear you out. Take him to lunch, if you can get on his appointment book, and express your concerns, then hope and pray that he listened. And when you find out that all was for naught...that he already made up his mind long before you came to his office. That you're down a lunch and the President has the powers (same an granted to him in the Patriot Act)...when you realize that your Senator didn't even read the bill..and really didn't care to because he had a golf game to improve..when you realize that your Senator is *no better* than a direct Democracy, maybe you'll realize that it's better to have a direct say in the matter and watch the vote not go your way than beg somebody else to watch the vote not go your way. Either way, you may not get what *you* want..but at least in a direct Democracy, you'll know that your voice was as equal as everybody else's...and that is saying a lot more than can be said today. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
I tried to label at as OT, guess I borked up. Lisa Kachold wrote: > Why do we have TWO threads? > > Who inserted the Re in the subject??? > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jason > Spatafore wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 16:30 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: >>> The lobbyists take advantage of said jack asses' laziness. >> >> I can't disagree with that. But you gotta hit the root cause of a >> problem, not just the middle man. >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: This login session: $13.76, but for you $11.88. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
No, I didn't notice it was right! My Bad! OT is fine! Ryan, in case you didn't notice--there ARE NO RULES! :) On 8/30/09, Ryan Rix wrote: > I tried to label at as OT, guess I borked up. > > Lisa Kachold wrote: > >> Why do we have TWO threads? >> >> Who inserted the Re in the subject??? >> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jason >> Spatafore wrote: >>> On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 16:30 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: The lobbyists take advantage of said jack asses' laziness. >>> >>> I can't disagree with that. But you gotta hit the root cause of a >>> problem, not just the middle man. >>> >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Ryan Rix > (623)-826-0051 > > Fortune: > This login session: $13.76, but for you $11.88. > > http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash > XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com > AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash > IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and > countless other FOSS channels. > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Lisa Kachold wrote: > No, I didn't notice it was right! > > My Bad! OT is fine! > > Ryan, in case you didn't notice--there ARE NO RULES! “If you are not one of us, you are one of them... They still live in a world that is based on rules; because of that, they are never going to be as strong or as fast as you can be.” -- The Matrix --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
Excellent logic! I vote so its not my fault. Voting is but one step we can take to make our government understand our desires and needs. Just voting is like running a marathon by taking one step. Jim --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
Everyone has a cellular. Write down your congressman's & reps... to include everyone who represents your area - city, county, state, fed, on your way to work call their office. On your way home call their office. If each one of us made one or two calls a day we would overwhelm them. Keith Smith --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Jim wrote: > From: Jim > Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration > Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:02 PM > Excellent logic! I vote so its > not my fault. > > Voting is but one step we can take to make our government > understand our > desires and needs. > > Just voting is like running a marathon by taking one step. > > Jim > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
On 8/31/09, Jason Spatafore wrote: > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote: >> These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be >> stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give >> the >> president the (unconstitutional) power to declare war. Do your >> research >> on the bills and write, but especially, phone our senators and your >> representative. > > Yes, because "all costs" are defined as "write or phone your senator and > representative". In my book, "all costs" involves murder, mayhem, guns, > armor, and an all out civil war. Be careful about using "all costs" in > any way. > > No, I will continue to demand my right to vote in every election and on > every bill. We are a constitutional republic and I tell you now that I > *do not accept* how this country is being run and how the power lies in > the few. You have provided ample examples already of how tyranny will > continue in this government. I will execute the powers that I have. And > the only power *I* possess is my ability to vote. > > And the *few* have already oppressed that enough. > > However, until I am provided the ability to voice my concerns with a > quantifiable result (called a vote), this country *is broken*. I will > not "call my Senator" because, honestly, he isn't going to listen (I'm > not a Republican and therefore, did not scratch his back during the > election). He can't handle all the calls and make the appointments and > take care of his constituents. Sure, when the Constitution was written, > it was possible for a Senator and Representative to keep up with the > 1000 constituents he had to report to...but that is not how it is today, > and it doesn't work anymore. Linux Asterisk recorded call via schedule will do that for you? Simply setup the dial out numbers and recorded speil in the SugarCRM FreePBX dial patterns. > So, continue to bring forth your call to arms and literally *beg* the > elected official to do your bidding. Kiss that butt of Senator McCain > and polish his shoes and maybe he will hear you out. Take him to lunch, > if you can get on his appointment book, and express your concerns, then > hope and pray that he listened. And in a free country, every single time a useful law is not enforced, beit federal wage exploits for field engineers, rental abuses (especially in favor of others disregarded through civil disobedience) take it to court! If you fail to talk directly about what it wrong to the right sources, you fail to hold a line. How many of us work 60 hour weeks on salary, as a 30 hour support person and 30 hour engineer at a field office, NOC on call 24X7, driving in on holidays after oncall without pay or working from home? We all know there are 200 others queued up behind us willing to work harder, so we do it. But is this healthy? Is this legal? How many of us endure rental air conditioning beyond 80 degrees in the summer in Arizona? It's also illegal. If you disagree with outsourcing to Pakistan and India, don't work for Intel or Micro$oft. If you disagree with chicken chemical and animal farming via antibiotics, don't eat at Churches or KFC, and don't buy from Safeway. But as a people, do we do this? Do we even know our own power? Our greatest vote is with our almightly dollar. > And when you find out that all was for naught...that he already made up > his mind long before you came to his office. That you're down a lunch > and the President has the powers (same an granted to him in the Patriot > Act)...when you realize that your Senator didn't even read the bill..and > really didn't care to because he had a golf game to improve..when you > realize that your Senator is *no better* than a direct Democracy, maybe > you'll realize that it's better to have a direct say in the matter and > watch the vote not go your way than beg somebody else to watch the vote > not go your way. Yes, how do we flowchart any course back to the freedom of my father's era, so lamented by the constitutional libertarians on this list? > Either way, you may not get what *you* want..but at least in a direct > Democracy, you'll know that your voice was as equal as everybody > else's...and that is saying a lot more than can be said today. Yes, we have no say - accept the Matrix for what it is. "Freedum, Serfdom, Fiefdom - Don't trust anything with a "dum" on the end of it. The only freedom we have is through responsibility" -John Trudel -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
Mother to small child, "Do you want to wear the red pajamas or the blue pajamas". Child does not notice they don't want to go to bed at all. On 8/31/09, keith smith wrote: > > Everyone has a cellular. Write down your congressman's & reps... to include > everyone who represents your area - city, county, state, fed, on your way to > work call their office. On your way home call their office. If each one of > us made one or two calls a day we would overwhelm them. > > > Keith Smith > > > --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Jim wrote: > >> From: Jim >> Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration >> Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:02 PM >> Excellent logic! I vote so its >> not my fault. >> >> Voting is but one step we can take to make our government >> understand our >> desires and needs. >> >> Just voting is like running a marathon by taking one step. >> >> Jim >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >> settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
-Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:08 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet Yes, we have no say - accept the Matrix for what it is. "Freedum, Serfdom, Fiefdom - Don't trust anything with a "dum" on the end of it. The only freedom we have is through responsibility" -John Trudel Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM! -- William Wallace --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet
Well, it's all a hologram anyway, isn't it? We really each and every one of us have the ability to get above it? Just because they attempt to limit our choices, and run a system in place to control the masses, doesn't mean it has any ultimate effect on us - the less than 2% of the population (in intelligence), with the ability to think creatively and implement solutions. On 8/31/09, Bob Elzer wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa > Kachold > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:08 PM > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration > Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet > > > Yes, we have no say - accept the Matrix for what it is. > > "Freedum, Serfdom, Fiefdom - Don't trust anything with a "dum" on the end of > it. > The only freedom we have is through responsibility" -John Trudel > > > > > Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And > dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL > the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come > back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll > never take... OUR FREEDOM! > -- William Wallace > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
