Re: speakeasy/megapath (was RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV)
telnet access to a server there on their site... Did I read this right? Oh my, oh my... ET Carruth, Rusty writes: I use what used to be Speakeasy, now is megapath (bought out). I was VERY happy with Speakeasy - you call their tech line, they are TECHNICAL folks. I could talk routers, NAT, whatever with them and they knew it. I have what I call the 'sysadmin at home' DSL package - 2 static IP addresses, telnet access to a server there on their site, almost all ports open, and 'minimal' tech support for $60 a month (I think I'm at 2.5Mb/s down, but I'd have to look - a while back they did a 'free' upgrade from the 1.4 or whatever that I had before that). I end up calling them for something about once a year - usually because I forgot a password. Last week I had to call them because I was installing a new firewall and the hard drive of the previous one died so I had no idea of my static IP addresses OR my default route! (oops) They weren't quite as quick and techy as I remembered, but then all they had to do was look up my static ip addresses and default gw, so it really didn't matter. I run mail server at home (which is why I chose them), I have run a web server there (plan to set it back up 'real soon now' :-) ), both with no issues. However, you guys talking about 'outages' make me go - huh? Outage? I'm sure we've had some, but I haven't seen anything but the periodic lockup of my DSL modem such that I have to power cycle it (no more than once a month - in fact the last time I did that was probably 4 months ago) - and I'm not sure I can blame them for that (it's my own modem - previous one died and I just threw my own in there). Well, ok I remember there have been scheduled outages at times, but their scheduled maintenance is almost always between midnight and 6am, as far as I remember, so I don't remember ever being offline due to them. I may have been, but I don't remember it...) Overall I've been very happy with them. But then I've not had to really deal with them since the MegaPath switch. Rusty --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: speakeasy/megapath (was RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV)
Yep. Rarely use it - oh, yes, forgot to mention - I have some amount of storage there and can set up my own web stuff there on their server as well. That's part of the reason for having the telnet/ssh access. The public/www (or whatever it was) directory that is your own web page if you know where to look (something like www.speakeasy.net/~userid if I remember right, back when they were speakeasy) Rusty -Original Message- telnet access to a server there on their site... Did I read this right? Oh my, oh my... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: speakeasy/megapath (was RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV)
Boy, the memory is bad today: I just remembered I also get like 10 email addresses at speakeasy as well. Don't need them since I run my own mail server... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: speakeasy/megapath (was RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV)
Whichever you want to use. I use ssh, of course :-) (And I admit to being lazy and saying telnet when I am actually using ssh.) -Original Message- SSH is OK. Telnet is a self-destructing proposition. SSH or telnet? Hopefully SSH... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: speakeasy/megapath (was RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV)
I'm pretty particular about outages, most instilled from business that there's a big different between 99.99 and 99.999 percent uptime on networks. Modems locking up classify as that, but physical signal issues are more often where those are directed, or upstream headend equipment failures outside windows. I hear from a few folks their modems do that, but it's a bit of a misnomer considering most dsl modems are also a router/firewall, and one of questionable performance. Back when bittorrent wasn't being lorded by ambulance-chasing lawyers trying to sue everyone using it, I could crush my old pix firewall with connection amounts generated by it (+2000 at times naturally). So much so, I actually imposed static limits on tcp/udp translations for it, but not easy to do when it began hiding in other ports and protocols. Older or more cpu-bound consumer routers (or crappy code on them) can easily get crushed with a few-thousand connections tracked for nat purposes, so wouldn't surprise me if the outages are somewhat self-inflicted with cpu/memory for nat simply getting exhausted. It's been years since I've had to reboot the cox modem that wasn't a somewhat planned outage (I usually ask one of their backbone guys that knows). I'd rather it stay a dumb modem and let my asa handle the rest. Bell telco's might as well equal government run, and sadly I find their union influence drags their quality down as they create more problem than they fix (and they don't/can't get fired). When they have outages, it's usually pretty large and egregious, and i see this much more with business services. Cox is _very_ anti-union, and I understand why, other than simple corporate greed. Same could be said of Cox's residential contracted installers however being of questionable quality standards. I have personal issues with the Belle's, but no less than with Cox or others - I simply have found cable internet over time to be superior in service offering, and not just pride of having helped build the tech, or Cox. In the end, use what works for you, and what you find acceptable in your area. Some parts of town simply have notoriously bad coax feeders, or 2wire for dsl that cannot practically be fixed thus giving you little option in one over another. Show me single-mode fiber in the ground at my house at a reasonable cost, I guarantee you my opinion, and isp would change. mmm, optical. -mb On 07/30/2012 08:46 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: However, you guys talking about 'outages' make me go - huh? Outage? I'm sure we've had some, but I haven't seen anything but the periodic lockup of my DSL modem such that I have to power cycle it (no more than once a month - in fact the last time I did that was probably 4 months ago) - and I'm not sure I can blame them for that (it's my own modem - previous one died and I just threw my own in there). Well, ok I remember there have been scheduled outages at times, but their scheduled maintenance is almost always between midnight and 6am, as far as I remember, so I don't remember ever being offline due to them. I may have been, but I don't remember it...) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV
On 07/28/2012 11:51 AM, keith smith wrote: I home office and twitched from a consumer package to a business package so I would have the ability to run a server. I ran a server part time for testing only. I was testing out the Qmail Toaster. I had a bad experience running a server about 10 years ago. I left the email relay open and was exploited. Since then I have been leery of running server out of my house. With Cox, you pretty much need a business account to run a mail server. Otherwise, you'd need to have DynDNS or some other service provider handle your DNS and both incoming and outbound email, which is still less expensive than a business account, but it gets to be a bit of a pain, especially if you plan to have more than a single domain. Cox residential used to block port 80 as well, so if you'll be doing web sites, you'll need a reverse proxy somewhere. On the DSL side of things, I've been running Qmail Toaster on residential DSL since May'06 or so. I had a dynamic address, and used DynDNS for DNS and outbound email. When they started blocking port 25 a few weeks ago, I ponied up for a static address (still a residential account). The additional cost is pretty much offset by the savings in not having to use DynDNS for DNS and outbound email any more. Sorry to hear about your open relay experience, Keith. That's not so easy to do any more, and there are numerous online checkers that will test your configuration for you. FWIW, I took over leadership of the Qmail Toaster project the beginning of this year, and we'd love to see anyone interested join us on the qmail-toaster email list. I know we have a few users in the Phoenix area, and hundreds others world wide. We just finished setting up our DNS infrastructure, and we have 13 DNS servers on 5 continents. Overkill, I know. It's nice to see what the community can do though. I'm eager to see what else is in store. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV
yep a read the whole thing. woosh! right over my head! On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote: Qwest/CL DSL has always proven spotty *at times* with anyone I've ever known using it. As a network guy I inquire with fellow geeks I know, and they let me know. Generally the residential side of Qwest/CL fairly weak on troubleshooting most issues because of simple physical problems that often cannot easily be overcome with 2wire systems. If you can get VDSL, it's decent from what I've heard, as long as you have new wiring, in a new area, and live close to where every they dropped the local dslam. Most fall NOT into this category. Data comes in the form of modulation, and consider 10baset requires 4 wires still, gig ethernet 8. 2-wire is poop compared to the modulation and speed capable on _shielded_ coax. Qwest has simply had to push the envelope with dsl tech to remain relevant in the market, eventually resorting to new wiring (twisted-pair i think), often with some shielding now to achieve it which is hardly traditional for a telco outside of business service. Eventually they had to begin to roll fiber as they were reaching unpractical limitations in their 2wire tech to modulate data at *competitive speeds*. Fixed point-to-multipoint ala old sprint broadband and various others operate in parts that do it too now, sometimes a decent alternative where available I've heard (cave creek area). At least until it is oversubscribed to hell. Sprint acquired independents here in town setting them up, but ultimately they oversold it to death, and finally shot it in the head to finish years later. Not sure this isn't the eventual outcome of any wireless deployment. Satellite is a last-resort option with as stated, latency and bandwidth caps (extreme point-to-multipoint far, far away). If celco's weren't so greedy/proud of wireless LTE tech, it would be decent as a fixed solution as well as mobile as latency and throughput is much improved. I couldn't run the small datacenter in my house with it though. I can however get a LTE EHWIC for a Cisco router now that customers can and do use as a backup solution when someone back-hoe's your businesses fiber. Qwest/CL fiber deployment, like fios is pon, passive-optical network based. These are not to be confused with anything like optical ethernet, sonet, dwdm, etc that are active optics. Cable, dsl, most non-optical (generally) are subject to async behavior as you have a small modem, and a very large cmts and active amplifier network driving very large coax feeds at headends and active optical from there. Fiber doesn't have so much those physical limitations so long as the laser can use power in the diode to shoot your frames from here to there some ways (active zx single-mode optics can shoot 60km for gige, raman based dwdm amps much further). PON is a cost-effective way of aggregating fiber in a controlled fashion as you somewhat would a copper plant, only now the techs roll with portable fusion splicers and otdr's instead of qam test kit for coax. Cable is where it's at, when fiber is not. I've too worked at cox, and actually back to @home and offshoot isp back in the day when they started the tech before cox as media whores figured out what IP was. The modulation and timing that drives docsis 3.0 is very scalable for a copper means, and it's nothing cox will need to dig up and replace anytime soon. Other than being a bit proud of watching and working it along the way, it's solid tech. I have some issues with Cox ultimately, but they are one of the less evil of the isp's out there, and generally have much improved stability over most anything else. Generally speaking, the only time I call them is when truly something dies (arizona is hell on coax), as I don't require network support otherwise. I've used them off and on a good 14 years for data, and as long as you have a clean physical connection (modem levels can tell you/them this), it's pretty damn solid. Business services gets you someone out to fix your stuff asap vs. 2-3 bd, and open ports (cox blocks surprisingly less than you might think these days on residential - not even https). So far pon is driving speeds comparable to cable with qam docsis 3.0 now that they're channel-bonding to aggregate much as wireless tech does in 802.11n. Pon is capable of 10g speed down, 2.5gb up. That is why cox and other cable mso/isp's killed analog off, to reclaim huge/clean spectrum to reuse for wide-band operation across more spectrum to compete with this. They're ability with modems and cmts channel/timing management to auto-provision docsis allows them to optimize channel/spectrum bonding/mimo usage, allowing them to simply keep adding more bandwidth. Data on cable used to be shoehorned into a small chunk of spectrum (what good is data? cox, circa 1996). Now that wastful tech is off, it gives
Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV
I do, mostly my lab, but I have it running on a residential connection, and only the mid/20mb package. I can ipsec or ssl-vpn to my asa, and do what I need to remotely when on business from my lte router from my internal network. I don't use a lot of bandwidth (aside from personal usenet reaping), it's mostly internal stuff with vmware, various linux systems, ad controllers to play with, storage, and a host of other vm's, but it amounts to quite a few. That mostly stays gige within my house though. I nat everything out one address, and vpn in for everything else. I'm planning to go business services once I actually need higher uptime than I get now (ie someone to come when it breaks asap), and they're good for it. Pro-tip - If you have a relation with a cox account manager (or know someone at times) from bigger businesses with fiber connectivity or such, you can sometimes get a deal as a teleworker package personally, which amounts to bulk connectivity for business service cable to aggregate their workforce on cox connections with business-level mttr. Generally its the highest-service level package, business response, and ~$80 dollar price tag at last check. It's usually kind of a hook-up deal, but depends if your business account manager likes you spending money with them, and enough of it. :) -mb On 07/28/2012 11:51 AM, keith smith wrote: I couldn't run the small datacenter in my house with it though.. -- Are you using Cox to do this? I home office and twitched from a consumer package to a business package so I would have the ability to run a server. I ran a server part time for testing only. I was testing out the Qmail Toaster. I had a bad experience running a server about 10 years ago. I left the email relay open and was exploited. Since then I have been leery of running server out of my house. My cable connection has been very stable with just a couple of outages. I think those outages where on my consumer connection. I do not think I have had any outages since twitching. I'd be interested to hear if you are using Cox for your home based data center. Keith Smith --- On *Fri, 7/27/12, Michael Butash /mich...@butash.net/* wrote: From: Michael Butash mich...@butash.net Subject: Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 10:33 PM Qwest/CL DSL has always proven spotty *at times* with anyone I've ever known using it. As a network guy I inquire with fellow geeks I know, and they let me know. Generally the residential side of Qwest/CL fairly weak on troubleshooting most issues because of simple physical problems that often cannot easily be overcome with 2wire systems. If you can get VDSL, it's decent from what I've heard, as long as you have new wiring, in a new area, and live close to where every they dropped the local dslam. Most fall NOT into this category. Data comes in the form of modulation, and consider 10baset requires 4 wires still, gig ethernet 8. 2-wire is poop compared to the modulation and speed capable on _shielded_ coax. Qwest has simply had to push the envelope with dsl tech to remain relevant in the market, eventually resorting to new wiring (twisted-pair i think), often with some shielding now to achieve it which is hardly traditional for a telco outside of business service. Eventually they had to begin to roll fiber as they were reaching unpractical limitations in their 2wire tech to modulate data at *competitive speeds*. Fixed point-to-multipoint ala old sprint broadband and various others operate in parts that do it too now, sometimes a decent alternative where available I've heard (cave creek area). At least until it is oversubscribed to hell. Sprint acquired independents here in town setting them up, but ultimately they oversold it to death, and finally shot it in the head to finish years later. Not sure this isn't the eventual outcome of any wireless deployment. Satellite is a last-resort option with as stated, latency and bandwidth caps (extreme point-to-multipoint far, far away). If celco's weren't so greedy/proud of wireless LTE tech, it would be decent as a fixed solution as well as mobile as latency and throughput is much improved. I couldn't run the small datacenter in my house with it though. I can however get a LTE EHWIC for a Cisco router now that customers can and do use as a backup solution when someone back-hoe's your businesses fiber. Qwest/CL fiber deployment, like fios is pon, passive-optical network based. These are not to be confused with anything like optical ethernet, sonet, dwdm, etc that are active optics. Cable, dsl, most non-optical (generally) are subject to async behavior as you have a small modem, and a very large cmts and active amplifier network driving very
Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV
I have to think my experience is probably atypical or they'd be rioting in the streets. But, you asked I answer. :) We switched to Qwest about a year and a half ago when they ran new fiber through our neighborhood in Chandler. No TV, just data on a business account for static IP and all ports. It was actually decent for a good long while, never had to call in for support. When we called for basic account stuff they were easy to work with. Speed varied quite a bit from the advertised 'up to' we paid for, but eh - shared dsl/cable, don't expect much. Then from 6/12 to 7/15 we had 6 (known) outages in excess of 60 minutes. Everything from failed DSLAM cards and gateways to 'oops we botched a vlan tag' and 'gee we don't know but hey it's working now'. Trying to deal with them on any of those was painful at best and terribly enlightening. There is nowhere in all of CL a DSL subscriber, including a business account, can ever sit and talk face to face about their account. Only fiber/t1/pri circuit accounts get that. Stores can only do sales, no account access at all. I had one call where I was transferred 8 times before being told that all departments who could do account support were closed (at 6:30pm on a weekday, having initiated the call at 4:40). Their policy is to cold transfer calls so you're constantly re-explaining - been told this policy by I think it's been 3 different CL reps. We're actively switching back to Cox right now. It's a bit pricier, but I know as both business or residential I can go into stores and get help if I need to and on a business cable account you get a real live human account rep. So if that's the sort of that's important to you, it's worth considering. (full disclosure disclaimer: I am also a former Cox employee, but we're talking 6 years ago. I've also worked for 2 other cable companies over the years prior to that, so I recognize my ISP standards may be excessively high!) I don't know if something might have changed at CL recently, especially with Eric's experience that they changed residential port blocking in June. Your mileage of course may vary, but I'd hesitate to sign a contract at least at first if you decide to try it out. -- Jill On 2012-07-26 01:19, Mark Astrauskas wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV
I can't say I've had any experience with CL's fiber in particular. I can say that I'm favorably impressed with DSL service since CL took over. While they decided to start blocking port 25 on consumer accounts recently (6/27 to be specific), I recently converted to a static IP address and things couldn't have gone more smoothly. It was *all* done through the web, with no need for any contact with a human (sounds bad, but is typically good). The new address was picked up automagically by pppoe. I was then able to unblock port 25 and even set rDNS with the web interface. All for $25 setup fee plus $5.95 per month extra. Not bad considering with Cox you need a business account (starts at about $88/mo incl taxes) in order to have a static address. As far as fiber's concerned, I visited a relative in Dallas recently who had fiber with Internet/TV/Phone all over the fiber. I don't think their provider was CL, but they said the service was flawless (and they're not technical at all). I would definitely give CL's fiber serious consideration. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 07/25/2012 07:07 PM, Mark Astrauskas wrote: I saw such reviews online, but all seemed to be regarding when they ran as Qwest. I'm hoping to hear from a recent customer that knows if the new management/rebranding has improved anything. Putting aside the billing problems, how was the service itself? On 7/25/2012 6:31 PM, Stephen wrote: My experience dates back to the qwest/uswest says where features would magically appear on my account. Things like vm and long distance on my modem line ect. So i have really had very little interest in going back. On Jul 25, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net mailto:ap...@cox.net wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV
Dallas ... fiber with Internet/TV/Phone all I'd bet that is Verizon. Sounds like their biz model. My nearby neighbors say that when they ask CL for DSL service, a business license is required. Along with a huge start-up deposit. (-: Chas.M. :-) To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us From: e...@shubes.net Subject: Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:42:38 -0700 I can't say I've had any experience with CL's fiber in particular. I can say that I'm favorably impressed with DSL service since CL took over. While they decided to start blocking port 25 on consumer accounts recently (6/27 to be specific), I recently converted to a static IP address and things couldn't have gone more smoothly. It was *all* done through the web, with no need for any contact with a human (sounds bad, but is typically good). The new address was picked up automagically by pppoe. I was then able to unblock port 25 and even set rDNS with the web interface. All for $25 setup fee plus $5.95 per month extra. Not bad considering with Cox you need a business account (starts at about $88/mo incl taxes) in order to have a static address. As far as fiber's concerned, I visited a relative in Dallas recently who had fiber with Internet/TV/Phone all over the fiber. I don't think their provider was CL, but they said the service was flawless (and they're not technical at all). I would definitely give CL's fiber serious consideration. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 07/25/2012 07:07 PM, Mark Astrauskas wrote: I saw such reviews online, but all seemed to be regarding when they ran as Qwest. I'm hoping to hear from a recent customer that knows if the new management/rebranding has improved anything. Putting aside the billing problems, how was the service itself? On 7/25/2012 6:31 PM, Stephen wrote: My experience dates back to the qwest/uswest says where features would magically appear on my account. Things like vm and long distance on my modem line ect. So i have really had very little interest in going back. On Jul 25, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net mailto:ap...@cox.net wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV
Wouldn't requiring a business license severely limit their business? Keith Smith --- On Thu, 7/26/12, ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.com wrote: From: ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, July 26, 2012, 6:11 PM Dallas ... fiber with Internet/TV/Phone all I'd bet that is Verizon. Sounds like their biz model. My nearby neighbors say that when they ask CL for DSL service, a business license is required. Along with a huge start-up deposit. (-: Chas.M. :-) To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us From: e...@shubes.net Subject: Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:42:38 -0700 I can't say I've had any experience with CL's fiber in particular. I can say that I'm favorably impressed with DSL service since CL took over. While they decided to start blocking port 25 on consumer accounts recently (6/27 to be specific), I recently converted to a static IP address and things couldn't have gone more smoothly. It was *all* done through the web, with no need for any contact with a human (sounds bad, but is typically good). The new address was picked up automagically by pppoe. I was then able to unblock port 25 and even set rDNS with the web interface. All for $25 setup fee plus $5.95 per month extra. Not bad considering with Cox you need a business account (starts at about $88/mo incl taxes) in order to have a static address. As far as fiber's concerned, I visited a relative in Dallas recently who had fiber with Internet/TV/Phone all over the fiber. I don't think their provider was CL, but they said the service was flawless (and they're not technical at all). I would definitely give CL's fiber serious consideration. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 07/25/2012 07:07 PM, Mark Astrauskas wrote: I saw such reviews online, but all seemed to be regarding when they ran as Qwest. I'm hoping to hear from a recent customer that knows if the new management/rebranding has improved anything. Putting aside the billing problems, how was the service itself? On 7/25/2012 6:31 PM, Stephen wrote: My experience dates back to the qwest/uswest says where features would magically appear on my account. Things like vm and long distance on my modem line ect. So i have really had very little interest in going back. On Jul 25, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net mailto:ap...@cox.net wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I'm on CL DSL with a static IP, (Residential plan, in Mesa, East Valley). My plan is 5Mbps up and 40Mbps down (These are theoretical max's), in speed tests I would say it averages 2.3-4.3Mbps up and between 21-34 Mbps down. CL DSL claims 40Mbps as their max download bandwidth. I believe Cox claims a max of 50Mbps down and 5Mbps up. Though I am no expert I believe the biggest difference between DSL and Cable in bandwidth behaviour is how each handles load balancing during peak use. I have had my DSL go offline for a split second and reinitialize during extreme peak conditions, When I had cable in the past it didn't lose link status. While this may not sound like a big deal, I work from home through a VPN connection to a datacenter where my companies servers are co-located. During extended backups (I have a local mirror) I have noticed that sometimes the VPN connection goes down, causing a backup failure. Most of our other employees are on Cox and have not noticed this issue. I can't say for sure it is the DSL but suspect it. -- James --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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My experience dates back to the qwest/uswest says where features would magically appear on my account. Things like vm and long distance on my modem line ect. So i have really had very little interest in going back. On Jul 25, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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you want a dish on your house? If there is already one there make sure you instruct the tech to take the old one(s) down. WHen I was training to be an installer we went to one house with three dishes already up. My trainer just put a fourth in place. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: My experience dates back to the qwest/uswest says where features would magically appear on my account. Things like vm and long distance on my modem line ect. So i have really had very little interest in going back. On Jul 25, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Wire the old ones up to your wifi and have fun... On Jul 25, 2012 6:51 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: you want a dish on your house? If there is already one there make sure you instruct the tech to take the old one(s) down. WHen I was training to be an installer we went to one house with three dishes already up. My trainer just put a fourth in place. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: My experience dates back to the qwest/uswest says where features would magically appear on my account. Things like vm and long distance on my modem line ect. So i have really had very little interest in going back. On Jul 25, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I saw such reviews online, but all seemed to be regarding when they ran as Qwest. I'm hoping to hear from a recent customer that knows if the new management/rebranding has improved anything. Putting aside the billing problems, how was the service itself? On 7/25/2012 6:31 PM, Stephen wrote: My experience dates back to the qwest/uswest says where features would magically appear on my account. Things like vm and long distance on my modem line ect. So i have really had very little interest in going back. On Jul 25, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net mailto:ap...@cox.net wrote: CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Nice thing about DSL is you can pick your ISP. We used FastQ when we lived in Mesa, it was good. Didn't have the peak speeds Cox did but it was much more consistent and reliable. And, we had static IP's and could run home servers, unlike cocks. Your results may vary, but should be good performance if fiber is in your hood. Century Link Customer Service is a sea of menus and sri lanka help-desk people. The DirecTV installers butchered the dish install, put lag bolts right through the roof, big nasty leaking holes and splinters of wood and it still wobbled in the wind. I would have been pissed had we not been doing a roof job a few months later anyway. I re-installed it proper-like, it's easy enough to do it yourself. More better music channels, roomie liked the sports line-up better. -Ken From: Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: CenturyLink/DirectTV CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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forwarding to list What's the scoop on satellite interwebz these days? Still pricey high latency? From: ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.com To: parabell...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:30 PM Subject: RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV Hiya, Here's my rural viewpoint: DirecTV: We use DirecTV on two Satellite recievers, one dish. Our premium bundle includes HBO. Last week there was a Viacom blackout (which included Comedy Channel.) I do not expect to be reimbursed at all. The Texas-based 800 Phone service has outright lied to us regarding charges we incurred to re-adjust dish pointing. Prior to service I was told that the standard $50.00 visit would be waived, but it wasn't. Naturally, they called back to invite us to do a survey. (I almost cussed at em.) Our DirecTV does not include Internet-anything (THAT would DOUBLE our costs). Being that Tonopah has NO cable, and NO Fiber for residents, it's a monopoly. CenturyLink/QWest: We have a CAT3 land line with QWest/CenturyLink and are lucky to get a dial tone. For fifteen years phone service, the fail rate is about four days every two years. Years ago, lightening killed my DirecTV receiver through the phone line. Seems that windy wet weather can kill equipment at my local substation too. The station is less than a mile away, but they cannot offer us DSL service. huh? It has multiple fiber T-1 links from local schools ten miles away. A new housing sub-division, 15 miles distant, recently began offering DSL service. Nearby folks have dumped ALL telco services for one DSL connection. Our Unified School District is five hundred square miles. Being that Tonopah has only 7 thousand residents, it's a monopoly too. Side notes: There is a QWest CFO in Federal jail today for pension embezzelment. There WAS a national Uniform Service Fund that telcos should be using, but the FCC is now TWO YEARS behind in accounting for state expenditures. Arizona is only one state that FCC regulation ignores. Should I mention that the FCC operates like a monopoly? I wouldn't know who to complain to, and have to chalk it up to rural life. If you think a new name or new management would change my opinion ... (-: Chas.M. :-) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:08:39 -0700 From: parabell...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Nice thing about DSL is you can pick your ISP. We used FastQ when we lived in Mesa, it was good. Didn't have the peak speeds Cox did but it was much more consistent and reliable. And, we had static IP's and could run home servers, unlike cocks. Your results may vary, but should be good performance if fiber is in your hood. Century Link Customer Service is a sea of menus and sri lanka help-desk people. The DirecTV installers butchered the dish install, put lag bolts right through the roof, big nasty leaking holes and splinters of wood and it still wobbled in the wind. I would have been pissed had we not been doing a roof job a few months later anyway. I re-installed it proper-like, it's easy enough to do it yourself. More better music channels, roomie liked the sports line-up better. -Ken From: Mark Astrauskas ap...@cox.net To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: CenturyLink/DirectTV CenturyLink recently laid fiber in my area and is pitching their new Internet/DirectTV service. Does anyone have recent experience with CenturyLink's fiber offering or with DirectTV as well? It looks like I could save a good amount every month and could even get a faster speed, so I'm strongly considering it. Yelp reviews are awful, but so are the Cox Cable ones (my current provider), so I'm seeking any firsthand comments or experiences. Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
