Re: Shell Account
Another alternative is vmware. Vmware player: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ Pick a linux appliance: http://www.vmware.com/appliances/ -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Pluggers. I've been on this mailing list awhile and asked in chat if anyone had a spot for me to use a free shell. The only things I need are weechat, screen, scp, and ssh. Currently as I move from spot to spot during the day this is the ONLY way I can contact a couple of people that I know. Basically a message service with weechat as a background process. I've looked at all the free shell accounts on the web but they either want you to stand on your head, chew gum and rub your tummy while balanced on top of a pylon. OR they request some sort of donation. I understand the costs about bandwidth and I would love to pull my share so to speak, but I'm out of work and have zeroage $$. If anyone could help, great, if not thanks for reading. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
http://www.red-pill.eu/freeunix.shtml Huge ton of free shells! On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Another alternative is vmware. Vmware player: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ Pick a linux appliance: http://www.vmware.com/appliances/ -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Pluggers. I've been on this mailing list awhile and asked in chat if anyone had a spot for me to use a free shell. The only things I need are weechat, screen, scp, and ssh. Currently as I move from spot to spot during the day this is the ONLY way I can contact a couple of people that I know. Basically a message service with weechat as a background process. I've looked at all the free shell accounts on the web but they either want you to stand on your head, chew gum and rub your tummy while balanced on top of a pylon. OR they request some sort of donation. I understand the costs about bandwidth and I would love to pull my share so to speak, but I'm out of work and have zeroage $$. If anyone could help, great, if not thanks for reading. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
the top one is pretty nice.. account creation is a bit odd, but otherwise quite handy. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Lisa Kacholdlisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: http://www.red-pill.eu/freeunix.shtml Huge ton of free shells! On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Another alternative is vmware. Vmware player: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ Pick a linux appliance: http://www.vmware.com/appliances/ -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Pluggers. I've been on this mailing list awhile and asked in chat if anyone had a spot for me to use a free shell. The only things I need are weechat, screen, scp, and ssh. Currently as I move from spot to spot during the day this is the ONLY way I can contact a couple of people that I know. Basically a message service with weechat as a background process. I've looked at all the free shell accounts on the web but they either want you to stand on your head, chew gum and rub your tummy while balanced on top of a pylon. OR they request some sort of donation. I understand the costs about bandwidth and I would love to pull my share so to speak, but I'm out of work and have zeroage $$. If anyone could help, great, if not thanks for reading. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Lisa... I was on the page the last 2 days.. See my original post NO one has accts, or they have inane requirements, or they don't exist, or they charge. Vi^3PP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:33 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Lisa... I was on the page the last 2 days.. See my original post NO one has accts, or they have inane requirements, or they don't exist, or they charge. Vi^3PP Obviously you have internet access.. build your own shell :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:33 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Lisa... I was on the page the last 2 days.. See my original post NO one has accts, or they have inane requirements, or they don't exist, or they charge. Vi^3PP In troubleshooting (and decision making in general) we often find that our basic premise is flawed. Rethink that premise: http://www.ixibo.com/2008/10/list-of-free-linuxunix-shell-account-providers/ Other solutions: ssh -L (port number SSH tunneling): Often useful across 443 to transcend firewalling to your own home (running of course on a unique port with keys, root disabled and wrapped for dictionary attacks, with iptables). weechat can be ported to Android [if you have G1/G2]? Other smartphones have chat apps? Angel Chat (or any of other free chat sources) http://www.angel-art.com/bbs CDMA or other network USB device on your notebook that moves with you to give you your own private IP/network. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Lisa, Most of those accounts were on the first URL that was viewed in the past couple of days. I'm not going to say it again about the status I have found because it has not changed. n troubleshooting (and decision making in general) we often find that our basic premise is flawed. Excuse me. I've never in my life met you. As far as the other options they are not feasible. I have stated in my orginal post what is needed. I know how SSH works and what I need to do with it. I just need a shell account with screen, prefer weechat but irssi works, ssh. There will be NO compiling, no pen/sec testing, no other activity on this account. Its a message board for family/friends who are on different cycles to leave private messages on a shell that stays up consistentlyand can be accessed in a mobile state. Along with active real time capabilties. This session can then be attached/detached as necessary but still operate in the . Vi^3PP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
I just tried the first one, clicked on create free shell account click here answered a few silly questions. And was logged into a free account It was very simple. Were the questions to hard for you :-) lol -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of GK Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:33 AM To: plug-discuss Subject: Re: Shell Account Lisa... I was on the page the last 2 days.. See my original post NO one has accts, or they have inane requirements, or they don't exist, or they charge. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. http://www.nyx.net/about.html Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
Well I guess I'm missing something, what you are trying to do, can be done on your machine be it windows or linux. Unless your trying to set up an IRC bot, for some other purpose. Something sounds fishy ? If you want to stay in contact with family and friends, there are lots of easier ways. It seems to me like you have other motives. I could be wrong, I'm just suspicious in nature. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of GK Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:53 AM To: plug-discuss Subject: RE: Shell Account Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP We are always taught to qualify our sources. Just like with our IRC, LinkedIn and other groups, we KNOW almost everyone! So, we generally, when faced with data that needs further information, look it up (or qualify our source): http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/07/01 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Check out http://silenceisdefeat.com. There was another site I signed up for but I can't seem to find my login information (or even the name of the site). Sucks cause I paid to be a premium member, which also gave my a mysql database oh well, it was only a couple of bucks. Anyway, most of the usable shells aren't 100% free. A lot will require you to pay a one-time $1-3 fee. I think it's well worth it personally. You can skirt the donation with a verified PayPal account, but then you gotta mail a thing and wait for them to make the account. If you donate $1 (or 5, 10, 20 or 50), you can have the account up today. From their site: 50MB storage space, http access(http://silenceisdefeat.net/~username), ssh, sftp, imap-ssl mail, pop3-ssl mail. Instant messaging clients for IRC, AIM, MSN, ICQ, Yahoo!, Gadu-Gadu, Jabber, and Lily. Optional trainable server-side spam detection is also included. We also have a few vhosts for fans of IRC. TOS: http://silenceisdefeat.com/tos All the active accounts on the machine are just running screen and presumably running IRC clients in that session. Hope that helps... -Joe GK wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Gotta love when people are too dumb to change their handle :) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP We are always taught to qualify our sources. Just like with our IRC, LinkedIn and other groups, we KNOW almost everyone! So, we generally, when faced with data that needs further information, look it up (or qualify our source): http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/07/01 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
I love it when I'm right. Do you think we'll hear from him again ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:15 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP We are always taught to qualify our sources. Just like with our IRC, LinkedIn and other groups, we KNOW almost everyone! So, we generally, when faced with data that needs further information, look it up (or qualify our source): http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/07/01 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Though that was #debian.. not a lot of hacking/cracking talk going on there. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: I love it when I'm right. Do you think we'll hear from him again ? -- *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Lisa Kachold *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:15 PM *To:* Main PLUG discussion list *Subject:* Re: Shell Account On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP We are always taught to qualify our sources. Just like with our IRC, LinkedIn and other groups, we KNOW almost everyone! So, we generally, when faced with data that needs further information, look it up (or qualify our source): http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/07/01 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Isn't the conversation there talking about generating and enforcing strong passwords? -Joe Bob Elzer wrote: I love it when I'm right. Do you think we'll hear from him again ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:15 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP We are always taught to qualify our sources. Just like with our IRC, LinkedIn and other groups, we KNOW almost everyone! So, we generally, when faced with data that needs further information, look it up (or qualify our source): http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/07/01 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
Well cracklib can also be used to find weak ones too. It's still funny, how three of us, got suspicious enough to point it out at the same time. I would like to know how lisa found that page, google won't let me search on the ^ character. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:35 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account Isn't the conversation there talking about generating and enforcing strong passwords? -Joe Bob Elzer wrote: I love it when I'm right. Do you think we'll hear from him again ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:15 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP We are always taught to qualify our sources. Just like with our IRC, LinkedIn and other groups, we KNOW almost everyone! So, we generally, when faced with data that needs further information, look it up (or qualify our source): http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/07/01 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
I realize you said free but I assumed you could at least come up $1 (technically $1.34 to cover the paypal fees). Plus, that would meet your needs permanently. However, silenceisdefeat.com doesn't have weechat installed. They do offer irssi though, no idea if that would meet your needs. If you find someone offering you shell access, great. If that fails, consider raiding your couch for the $1.34 and be done with it. Cheers! -Joe GK wrote: Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
But if you use any type of service to pay for it, you are not anonymous anymore. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:51 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account I realize you said free but I assumed you could at least come up $1 (technically $1.34 to cover the paypal fees). Plus, that would meet your needs permanently. However, silenceisdefeat.com doesn't have weechat installed. They do offer irssi though, no idea if that would meet your needs. If you find someone offering you shell access, great. If that fails, consider raiding your couch for the $1.34 and be done with it. Cheers! -Joe GK wrote: Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP -- -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
I call BS! You have a computer, access to the internet, and are obviously technically adept enough to talk about cracklib so what exactly is keeping you from running a shell from your own machine; that I'm sure we can help you with. JD Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:33 PM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
On Thu 2 July 2009 12:17:00 pm JD Austin wrote: Gotta love when people are too dumb to change their handle :) Lisa, Bob, JD: Please pull those sticks out of your asses. Thanks. Calling someone dumb on a public mailing list is simply unacceptable. Now, Vamp's been on the #plugaz IRC channel on Freenode for a while now (longer than I have, at any rate). I've talked a lot with him and the guy's got good intents, and is not someone to do such things as you guys accuse him of WITH NO REASON OR INTENT besides JD's belief he should use cygwin and Lisa's infinite paranoia. If he really was intent on LAWL HACKING MY BOX BECAUSE I GAVE HIM SHELL ACCESS LAWL OMG HAX IM SO SCARED FOR ALL MY DATA WHICH WOULD BE SO POWERFUL IN HIS HANDS OMG ITSIMPORTANT THAT I FLAME HIM AND CALL HIM DUMB FOR ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION he would, with your shell or not. I'm sure you're all running the latest patches on all of your services, after all. e_e, Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Any machine can be compromised from the inside with enough time. I grew up with hackers for friends so I understand how they operate. He may be a great guy without any ill intentions... go ahead and give him a shell account on your box :) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu 2 July 2009 12:17:00 pm JD Austin wrote: Gotta love when people are too dumb to change their handle :) Lisa, Bob, JD: Please pull those sticks out of your asses. Thanks. Calling someone dumb on a public mailing list is simply unacceptable. Now, Vamp's been on the #plugaz IRC channel on Freenode for a while now (longer than I have, at any rate). I've talked a lot with him and the guy's got good intents, and is not someone to do such things as you guys accuse him of WITH NO REASON OR INTENT besides JD's belief he should use cygwin and Lisa's infinite paranoia. If he really was intent on LAWL HACKING MY BOX BECAUSE I GAVE HIM SHELL ACCESS LAWL OMG HAX IM SO SCARED FOR ALL MY DATA WHICH WOULD BE SO POWERFUL IN HIS HANDS OMG ITSIMPORTANT THAT I FLAME HIM AND CALL HIM DUMB FOR ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION he would, with your shell or not. I'm sure you're all running the latest patches on all of your services, after all. e_e, Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
On Thu 2 July 2009 1:19:35 pm JD Austin wrote: Any machine can be compromised from the inside with enough time. I grew up with hackers for friends so I understand how they operate. He may be a great guy without any ill intentions... go ahead and give him a shell account on your box :) I would but my only box is a laptop. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
I assume his plan is to keep the screen session up on a remote machine and bounce around to different machines, continuing to log in to the one remote machine and restore the screen session. I think we've probably all done that, but perhaps we've all been fortunate enough to HAVE the remote machine to do it with and he is not. Could he do this from his machine at home? Maybe, but it's also possible that, being out of work, he doesn't have broadband access from home anymore. Or, maybe his ISP blocks it completely. Could he skirt it? Probably, but why break their TOS if someone is kind enough to offer up simple shell access for him? If you read the entire IRC transcript from the link, you (at least I) get the impression that he's trying to help people SECURE their systems, not hack in to them. Just because he mentioned cracklib, which clearly has a legitimate purpose, you all flew off the handle. Seems kinda silly to me... He asked an honest question, I don't see why everyone saw fit to attack him. If you don't want to give him a shell, then don't. 'Nuff said. -Joe JD Austin wrote: I call BS! You have a computer, access to the internet, and are obviously technically adept enough to talk about cracklib so what exactly is keeping you from running a shell from your own machine; that I'm sure we can help you with. JD Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:33 PM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
+Vi +3PP = top hit My Google fu is strong... On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Well cracklib can also be used to find weak ones too. It's still funny, how three of us, got suspicious enough to point it out at the same time. I would like to know how lisa found that page, google won't let me search on the ^ character. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:35 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account Isn't the conversation there talking about generating and enforcing strong passwords? -Joe Bob Elzer wrote: I love it when I'm right. Do you think we'll hear from him again ? _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:15 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: To me asking for a shell is almost like asking to borrow my gun. Call me paranoid but such requests make me suspicious. I don't even give my own clients that I've met in person and trust a shell account. So what's keeping you from having your own linux box (even virtualized)? JD On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: Bob gotta read the fine print: - IRC access to free users on Saturdays and Sundays I need 24/7. Vi^3PP We are always taught to qualify our sources. Just like with our IRC, LinkedIn and other groups, we KNOW almost everyone! So, we generally, when faced with data that needs further information, look it up (or qualify our source): http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/07/01 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
I didn't call anybody dumb. Let's look at the facts. He wants a free (anonymous) shell to run ssh, scp, and IRC To keep in contact with family and friends. He is not willing to look at alternatives, even if they are free and would do the same, but from his machine. He jumps down peoples throats, that are trying to help him. I can ssh, scp and IRC from my laptop. But if I do, I'm not anonymous, I leave a trail If I pay for a shell account, I'm not anonymous any more. How are most of the compromised machines on the net controlled ? By IRC bots. If I ask a group how to do something a certain way and they tell me to try something else, I explain why that won't work, I go more into depth why I need to do it they way I asked. When you ass these up, it starts looking suspicious. So if I think someone is trying to pass TOP SECRETS back to the mother country, I start asking more questions and being less helpful until I get a better explanation. Which I haven't seen. And yes I do see the black helicopters overhead, but it's ok, I've got my tin foil hat on. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:03 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account On Thu 2 July 2009 12:17:00 pm JD Austin wrote: Gotta love when people are too dumb to change their handle :) Lisa, Bob, JD: Please pull those sticks out of your asses. Thanks. Calling someone dumb on a public mailing list is simply unacceptable. Now, Vamp's been on the #plugaz IRC channel on Freenode for a while now (longer than I have, at any rate). I've talked a lot with him and the guy's got good intents, and is not someone to do such things as you guys accuse him of WITH NO REASON OR INTENT besides JD's belief he should use cygwin and Lisa's infinite paranoia. If he really was intent on LAWL HACKING MY BOX BECAUSE I GAVE HIM SHELL ACCESS LAWL OMG HAX IM SO SCARED FOR ALL MY DATA WHICH WOULD BE SO POWERFUL IN HIS HANDS OMG ITSIMPORTANT THAT I FLAME HIM AND CALL HIM DUMB FOR ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION he would, with your shell or not. I'm sure you're all running the latest patches on all of your services, after all. e_e, Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
And yes I do see the black helicopters overhead, but it's ok, I've got my tin foil hat on. Still have the black helicopters as your desktop background? ;) 22:03 ( PhrkOnLsh) VampirePenguin: for my benefits, why aren't you putting a shell on that arch mirror? 22:04 ( PhrkOnLsh) i asked you before but forgot xD 22:05 ( VampirePenguin) conficts with other servers in the building 22:06 ( VampirePenguin) i sstill dont have the ports right yet for ftp 22:07 ( VampirePenguin) they are hitting ohter boxes or disappearing 22:07 ( PhrkOnLsh) running ssh on a random port? 22:07 ( VampirePenguin) i do 22:07 ( PhrkOnLsh) strange 22:07 ( VampirePenguin) well its not my ntwork 22:08 ( VampirePenguin) and the person whos network it is.. wont be back for another month --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Joe wrote: I assume his plan is to keep the screen session up on a remote machine and bounce around to different machines, continuing to log in to the one remote machine and restore the screen session. I think we've probably all done that, but perhaps we've all been fortunate enough to HAVE the remote machine to do it with and he is not. Could he do this from his machine at home? Maybe, but it's also possible that, being out of work, he doesn't have broadband access from home anymore. Or, maybe his ISP blocks it completely. Could he skirt it? Probably, but why break their TOS if someone is kind enough to offer up simple shell access for him? If you read the entire IRC transcript from the link, you (at least I) get the impression that he's trying to help people SECURE their systems, not hack in to them. Just because he mentioned cracklib, which clearly has a legitimate purpose, you all flew off the handle. Seems kinda silly to me... He asked an honest question, I don't see why everyone saw fit to attack him. If you don't want to give him a shell, then don't. 'Nuff said. Amen. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Shell Account
LOL yes. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:32 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Shell Account And yes I do see the black helicopters overhead, but it's ok, I've got my tin foil hat on. Still have the black helicopters as your desktop background? ;) 22:03 ( PhrkOnLsh) VampirePenguin: for my benefits, why aren't you putting a shell on that arch mirror? 22:04 ( PhrkOnLsh) i asked you before but forgot xD 22:05 ( VampirePenguin) conficts with other servers in the building 22:06 ( VampirePenguin) i sstill dont have the ports right yet for ftp 22:07 ( VampirePenguin) they are hitting ohter boxes or disappearing 22:07 ( PhrkOnLsh) running ssh on a random port? 22:07 ( VampirePenguin) i do 22:07 ( PhrkOnLsh) strange 22:07 ( VampirePenguin) well its not my ntwork 22:08 ( VampirePenguin) and the person whos network it is.. wont be back for another month --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Am 02. Jul, 2009 schwätzte Joe so: moin moin Joe, Thanks for a calm and helpful response to the thread! I assume his plan is to keep the screen session up on a remote machine and bounce around to different machines, continuing to log in to the one remote machine and restore the screen session. I think we've probably all done that, but perhaps we've all been fortunate enough to HAVE the remote machine to do it with and he is not. Yes, he appears to not have a permanent connection to the Internet, which is why he needs a screen session elsewhere that does. He does mention it in the original post, but puts it in a way that can be misinterpreted. Could he do this from his machine at home? Maybe, but it's also possible that, being out of work, he doesn't have broadband access from home anymore. Or, maybe his ISP blocks it completely. Could he skirt it? Probably, but why break their TOS if someone is kind enough to offer up simple shell access for him? If you read the entire IRC transcript from the link, you (at least I) get the impression that he's trying to help people SECURE their systems, not hack in to them. Just because he mentioned cracklib, which clearly has a legitimate purpose, you all flew off the handle. Seems kinda silly to me... As he stated in the original post, he's been participating in PLUG for years. Most of that has been on the IRC channel. In any case, he's not fly by night for PLUG or many other Free Software groups. He asked an honest question, I don't see why everyone saw fit to attack him. If you don't want to give him a shell, then don't. 'Nuff said. He didn't clearly state some of parameters, which led to misinterpretation of the situation. He also didn't clarify when responding. Still no need for flying off the handle on anyone's part :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # I interviewed Jonathan Winters once in the late '80s, it was as if he were # narrating a hallucination that I didn't see. -- Terry Gross, 03Aug2006--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
I do have a question, the http://silenceisdefeat.com/ was listed and the only cost is a postage stamp to verify your address that wasn't quite listed as one of your make/break criteria exactly (I'm having trouble remembering them exactly) on a side not i hope you can trust and verify yourself makes life much happier :-) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:33 PM, GKgm5...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Hey, I never descended to either name calling or black and white thinking; I just questioned his basic premises. You need to read his full thread; the conversation switched over from the day before: http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/06/30 He is evidently working with long term security defensive measures, and began retaliating with cracklib. I am amazed that more than a few people discussing security in the chat session seem to think their SSH is safe! :)' If you notice, the IP source of his chat session is of course, logged also. And that domain website appears to be down, although configured in DNS. The DNS resolves to a company in Goodyear. He very possibly might need some help? We can help you, but we will continue our stance on net neutrality, free and safe systems, and will not encroach another's private property or break the law regardless of whether you are certain they tagged you first. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I do have a question, the http://silenceisdefeat.com/ was listed and the only cost is a postage stamp to verify your address that wasn't quite listed as one of your make/break criteria exactly (I'm having trouble remembering them exactly) on a side not i hope you can trust and verify yourself makes life much happier :-) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:33 PM, GKgm5...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
And you can access IRC from here: http://67.18.92.220/ On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: Hey, I never descended to either name calling or black and white thinking; I just questioned his basic premises. You need to read his full thread; the conversation switched over from the day before: http://67.18.92.220/irc/debian/2008/06/30 He is evidently working with long term security defensive measures, and began retaliating with cracklib. I am amazed that more than a few people discussing security in the chat session seem to think their SSH is safe! :)' If you notice, the IP source of his chat session is of course, logged also. And that domain website appears to be down, although configured in DNS. The DNS resolves to a company in Goodyear. He very possibly might need some help? We can help you, but we will continue our stance on net neutrality, free and safe systems, and will not encroach another's private property or break the law regardless of whether you are certain they tagged you first. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I do have a question, the http://silenceisdefeat.com/ was listed and the only cost is a postage stamp to verify your address that wasn't quite listed as one of your make/break criteria exactly (I'm having trouble remembering them exactly) on a side not i hope you can trust and verify yourself makes life much happier :-) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:33 PM, GKgm5...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Shell Account
Well I have to direct this to someone (Lisa) because whatever sassafras tea that you're drinking is obviously laced. For whatever reason you brought in a Debian log is beyond me too. But if you must needs have your senses titilated the OP in question was asking how he could generate a list of passwords. So Debian has two wonderful tools agp and otr that help generate random pronouncable passphrases. At the moment the word/theory eludes me. I'm sure you can identify with having to think up a passphrase for the 5 main frames you might be on, 3 servers, a laptop and a remote location every 30-60 days. It's PITA and really in the scheme of things doesn't work. Longer passphrases, say 20-40 chars work the best mathematically then a short 7 char complicated one. This person also sounded like they where do some sort of sys admining... which oh heaven forbid us linux users sys admin our boxen. So I mentioned cracklib to s/he as a way for an admin to enforce at least some level of security since the password is usually the weakest link in the security chain. As far as the IP that was used, so what? I was behind someone elses network at the time and had the free access to do as I needed on my boxen. No harm, no foul. Ah, I believe in net neutrality also. Though my request may not seem logical to you. I exhausted all means of free shell accounts online. I'm not going to go over again what I found. But for one reason or another they would not meet my needs. So, because I've known the the PLUG, Hans, Tuna, the gang at the Installfest. I was asking for assistance because I was not having any success with what I was doing hoping that someone may have something in the PLUG that members could use that wasn't necessarily public knowledge. No one is claiming nonfree, or unsafe or encroachment on anothers private property and/or breaking the law. Now Arapio the Nazi he is another story. You obviously don't, won't, can't have the ability to help me in my request so why are you beating a dead horse? A logical response would seemingly come from someone who could assist me. So basically shut your trap please. Vi^3PP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
