Re: Westside Stammtisch Details
They have certainly altered the EULA http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx section 3, b. (downloaded pdf from that site) from windows 7 professional, and its the same with Win Vista Home Premium Use with Virtualization Technologies. Instead of using the software directly on the licensed computer, you may install and use the software within only one virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed computer. When used in a virtualized environment, content protected by digital rights management technology, BitLocker or any full volume disk drive encryption technology may not be as secure as protected content not in a virtualized environment. You should comply with all domestic and international laws that apply to such protected content. That was as of today. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.com wrote: Eric wrote: - BL, if MS doesn't allow Windoze to be run under (other) VM hosts, I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. - Yup, in the foot. It's AMAZING. The official MS site gives out .PDF files for searched products: http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx I downloaded the Vista Home Premium E.U.L.A. and screenshot this attached photo. As I understand it, XP is still okay for VM. I don't yet know about 7. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Westside Stammtisch Details
Note, in W7 i found the steps to rewrite your MBR for windows. but generally if you can reinstall clean then leave the mbr alone. if you can use a second drive for boot then you can write mbr there. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 7:50 PM, ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.com wrote: Yah, I know 8Dec2010 is the exception to Fourth Wednesdays: Presenter: Mr. John Pringle -- Specific agenda topics coming soon! Topics: Various topics ranging form beginner's to advanced, user to administrator. When: Fourth Wednesday of each month at 7:00PM Where: DeVry University / Keller Graduate School of Management - MAP: 6751 N Sunset Blvd, Glendale, AZ I've been very tempted to visit one of these Fourth Wednesday Glendale meetings. I just don't consider myself a presenter. That, plus I need almost a weeks advance planning for transportation. Months slip by... Lemme see how Sal's Tuscan Grill receives me first. Also, as a warning, M$ really locks down their end user license, so never grub a Windows system that can't be re-installed like new from CD. LOLs in the MBR can be fun too. I'll prolly be doing the assembly (from Lisa) onto a box that requires a grub boot-floppy. It's MBR is therfore irrelevant. (-: Chas.M. :-) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:22:35 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us From: l.tut...@cox.net Subject: Re: Westside Stammtisch Details Uh, you could also show it off at the next Westside PLUG meeting on Dec 8 -- yes, a one-time date change to allow for two holidays...we will return to normalcy in January. At 06:16 PM 11/16/2010, you wrote: Hiya, I just want to verify location and time of the next Westside Avondale/Goodyear informal Stammtisch meet. Sal's Tusan Grill on McDowell at 7:00 pm this Thursday the 18th? Or is that Tuscan... Or is that Wednesday the 17th? The PLUG website needs work. It's calendar thinks today is the 17th. I think today is the 16th (in the PM). Multi-Boot vs. VM: There's been some talk about using Win XP in Linux VM emulation for developing/debugging web pages. Specifically, for that buggy M$ I.E. This method may be OK when using XP's Internet Explorer, but what will you do when M$ upgrades Vista and Seven but not XP? Vista and Seven do not allow running in VM (by E.U.L.A. license). Microsoft ain't stupid. XP is about ready for the upgrade cascade. Lately, the ntfsresize utility has been wonderous with NTFS partitions. Instead of VM, I do not hesitate to recommend a grub multi-boot (using a newer M$ system) to avoid when XP's I.E. becomes yet another software-war casualty. I recently aquired an 80Gb laptop and have set it up as multi-boot. Currently it's a work-in-progress, but XP and Fedora 12 are so far happy together, with room for Win98 and a second major Linux distro. Stammtisch: I'd love to show it off, and discuss grub's capabilities at the meet. So, where and when is the next Westside Stammtisch? Really. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Westside Stammtisch Details
On 11/16/2010 06:16 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote: Hiya, I just want to verify location and time of the next Westside Avondale/Goodyear informal Stammtisch meet. Sal's Tusan Grill on McDowell at 7:00 pm this Thursday the 18th? Or is that Tuscan... Or is that Wednesday the 17th? The PLUG website needs work. It's calendar thinks today is the 17th. I think today is the 16th (in the PM). Multi-Boot vs. VM: There's been some talk about using Win XP in Linux VM emulation for developing/debugging web pages. Specifically, for that buggy M$ I.E. This method may be OK when using XP's Internet Explorer, but what will you do when M$ upgrades Vista and Seven but not XP? Vista and Seven do not allow running in VM (by E.U.L.A. license). Microsoft ain't stupid. XP is about ready for the upgrade cascade. Lately, the ntfsresize utility has been wonderous with NTFS partitions. Instead of VM, I do not hesitate to recommend a grub multi-boot (using a newer M$ system) to avoid when XP's I.E. becomes yet another software-war casualty. I recently aquired an 80Gb laptop and have set it up as multi-boot. Currently it's a work-in-progress, but XP and Fedora 12 are so far happy together, with room for Win98 and a second major Linux distro. Stammtisch: I'd love to show it off, and discuss grub's capabilities at the meet. So, where and when is the next Westside Stammtisch? Really. (-: Chas.M. :-) I really prefer VMs over dual booting. Who wouldn't? Besides running both concurrently, there are no boot conflicts of any kind. I'm not intimately familiar with MS's EULA, so I could be breaking the agreement. I have converted both XP and Vista to VMs, and they run fine (under VMware Player 2.5 and up). AFA I'm concerned, Windows is still running on the hardware it was licensed for, albeit indirectly. When doing a Windoze VM, you just need to be careful to activate the license *after* converting to a VM if possible. This can be a problem for preexisting installations, because after converting to a VM Windoze thinks it's running on different hardware, and thus requires reactivation, which may or may not be allowed depending on the particular license. The OEM license is different from the retail license, at least with XP. I don't know about Vista/7. BL, if MS doesn't allow Windoze to be run under (other) VM hosts, I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Westside Stammtisch Details
That's Home Basic what about Home Premium which is what comes with most Vista systems? Brian On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:04 PM, ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.comwrote: Yup, in the foot. It's AMAZING. The official MS site gives out .PDF files for searched products: http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx I downloaded the Vista Home Premium E.U.L.A. and screenshot this attached photo. As I understand it, XP is still okay for VM. Don't yet know about 7. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discusshttp://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Brian Fields arizona.r...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Westside Stammtisch Details
Hiya, I just want to verify location and time of the next Westside Avondale/Goodyear informal Stammtisch meet. Sal's Tusan Grill on McDowell at 7:00 pm this Thursday the 18th? Or is that Tuscan... Or is that Wednesday the 17th? The PLUG website needs work. It's calendar thinks today is the 17th. I think today is the 16th (in the PM). Multi-Boot vs. VM: There's been some talk about using Win XP in Linux VM emulation for developing/debugging web pages. Specifically, for that buggy M$ I.E. This method may be OK when using XP's Internet Explorer, but what will you do when M$ upgrades Vista and Seven but not XP? Vista and Seven do not allow running in VM (by E.U.L.A. license). Microsoft ain't stupid. XP is about ready for the upgrade cascade. Lately, the ntfsresize utility has been wonderous with NTFS partitions. Instead of VM, I do not hesitate to recommend a grub multi-boot (using a newer M$ system) to avoid when XP's I.E. becomes yet another software-war casualty. I recently aquired an 80Gb laptop and have set it up as multi-boot. Currently it's a work-in-progress, but XP and Fedora 12 are so far happy together, with room for Win98 and a second major Linux distro. Stammtisch: I'd love to show it off, and discuss grub's capabilities at the meet. So, where and when is the next Westside Stammtisch? Really. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Westside Stammtisch Details
Whoopsie. Sal's Tuscan Grill, and it's Thursday. Thanks for bringing it up, I forgot to send a announcement about it. :P Could you provide me with the URLs to the incorrect info off-list, please? On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:16 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote: Hiya, I just want to verify location and time of the next Westside Avondale/Goodyear informal Stammtisch meet. Sal's Tusan Grill on McDowell at 7:00 pm this Thursday the 18th? Or is that Tuscan... Or is that Wednesday the 17th? The PLUG website needs work. It's calendar thinks today is the 17th. I think today is the 16th (in the PM). Multi-Boot vs. VM: There's been some talk about using Win XP in Linux VM emulation for developing/debugging web pages. Specifically, for that buggy M$ I.E. This method may be OK when using XP's Internet Explorer, but what will you do when M$ upgrades Vista and Seven but not XP? Vista and Seven do not allow running in VM (by E.U.L.A. license). Microsoft ain't stupid. XP is about ready for the upgrade cascade. Lately, the ntfsresize utility has been wonderous with NTFS partitions. Instead of VM, I do not hesitate to recommend a grub multi-boot (using a newer M$ system) to avoid when XP's I.E. becomes yet another software-war casualty. I recently aquired an 80Gb laptop and have set it up as multi-boot. Currently it's a work-in-progress, but XP and Fedora 12 are so far happy together, with room for Win98 and a second major Linux distro. Stammtisch: I'd love to show it off, and discuss grub's capabilities at the meet. So, where and when is the next Westside Stammtisch? Really. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Westside Stammtisch Details
Uh, you could also show it off at the next Westside PLUG meeting on Dec 8 -- yes, a one-time date change to allow for two holidays...we will return to normalcy in January. At 06:16 PM 11/16/2010, you wrote: Hiya, I just want to verify location and time of the next Westside Avondale/Goodyear informal Stammtisch meet. Sal's Tusan Grill on McDowell at 7:00 pm this Thursday the 18th? Or is that Tuscan... Or is that Wednesday the 17th? The PLUG website needs work. It's calendar thinks today is the 17th. I think today is the 16th (in the PM). Multi-Boot vs. VM: There's been some talk about using Win XP in Linux VM emulation for developing/debugging web pages. Specifically, for that buggy M$ I.E. This method may be OK when using XP's Internet Explorer, but what will you do when M$ upgrades Vista and Seven but not XP? Vista and Seven do not allow running in VM (by E.U.L.A. license). Microsoft ain't stupid. XP is about ready for the upgrade cascade. Lately, the ntfsresize utility has been wonderous with NTFS partitions. Instead of VM, I do not hesitate to recommend a grub multi-boot (using a newer M$ system) to avoid when XP's I.E. becomes yet another software-war casualty. I recently aquired an 80Gb laptop and have set it up as multi-boot. Currently it's a work-in-progress, but XP and Fedora 12 are so far happy together, with room for Win98 and a second major Linux distro. Stammtisch: I'd love to show it off, and discuss grub's capabilities at the meet. So, where and when is the next Westside Stammtisch? Really. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Westside Stammtisch Details
Yah, I know 8Dec2010 is the exception to Fourth Wednesdays: Presenter: Mr. John Pringle -- Specific agenda topics coming soon! Topics: Various topics ranging form beginner's to advanced, user to administrator. When: Fourth Wednesday of each month at 7:00PM Where: DeVry University / Keller Graduate School of Management - MAP: 6751 N Sunset Blvd, Glendale, AZ I've been very tempted to visit one of these Fourth Wednesday Glendale meetings. I just don't consider myself a presenter. That, plus I need almost a weeks advance planning for transportation. Months slip by... Lemme see how Sal's Tuscan Grill receives me first. Also, as a warning, M$ really locks down their end user license, so never grub a Windows system that can't be re-installed like new from CD. LOLs in the MBR can be fun too. I'll prolly be doing the assembly (from Lisa) onto a box that requires a grub boot-floppy. It's MBR is therfore irrelevant. (-: Chas.M. :-) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:22:35 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us From: l.tut...@cox.net Subject: Re: Westside Stammtisch Details Uh, you could also show it off at the next Westside PLUG meeting on Dec 8 -- yes, a one-time date change to allow for two holidays...we will return to normalcy in January. At 06:16 PM 11/16/2010, you wrote: Hiya, I just want to verify location and time of the next Westside Avondale/Goodyear informal Stammtisch meet. Sal's Tusan Grill on McDowell at 7:00 pm this Thursday the 18th? Or is that Tuscan... Or is that Wednesday the 17th? The PLUG website needs work. It's calendar thinks today is the 17th. I think today is the 16th (in the PM). Multi-Boot vs. VM: There's been some talk about using Win XP in Linux VM emulation for developing/debugging web pages. Specifically, for that buggy M$ I.E. This method may be OK when using XP's Internet Explorer, but what will you do when M$ upgrades Vista and Seven but not XP? Vista and Seven do not allow running in VM (by E.U.L.A. license). Microsoft ain't stupid. XP is about ready for the upgrade cascade. Lately, the ntfsresize utility has been wonderous with NTFS partitions. Instead of VM, I do not hesitate to recommend a grub multi-boot (using a newer M$ system) to avoid when XP's I.E. becomes yet another software-war casualty. I recently aquired an 80Gb laptop and have set it up as multi-boot. Currently it's a work-in-progress, but XP and Fedora 12 are so far happy together, with room for Win98 and a second major Linux distro. Stammtisch: I'd love to show it off, and discuss grub's capabilities at the meet. So, where and when is the next Westside Stammtisch? Really. (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
