Re: looking for recommendations for web development companies
I appreciate your interest in looking to the community for ideas for development support. However I am concerned about what you are seeking in your web design goals. I as a blind person, take particular exception to things like heavy animation and eye candy! Frankly, eye candy most often flies in the face of accessibility; that is, the more eye candy, the more flash and the more animation someone throws at a website the far less easy it is for a blind person to even navigate around on such a site. Sory if I come off negative here but I think there should be a lot more to a good website than just artistic beauty or cuteness. In fact, I'm personally studying web development on my own time since my recent lay-off but it is all being done on a LAMP type setup - Linux Apache, MySQL (actually postgresql in my case) and php so I can eventually become marketable with these newer more modern skills. On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 02:23:58PM -0700, Ed Knapp wrote: Good afternoon, all! We are working on some new things at my company and we have come to the conclusion that we need some help from a real web development company. We have a public facing web application hosted on an IIS platform using ASP.NET, javascript and the like. We are looking for someone to help us build the View/Presentation portions of our MVC design model. We can (and did for the last release) do a basic interface but we are looking to make the jump to a very current front end with animations and some eye candy. I thought that I would ask here and support the local community and see if anyone can point me in a direction. If you have worked with someone and enjoyed the experience, I would love to hear from you. Please hit me off list for more details unless you think your reply would be particularly interesting to the rest of the PLUG. Thanks very much! Ed Knapp Peoria, AZ list email: catber...@hotmail.com work email: gkn...@inilex.com either email address is fine. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: looking for recommendations for web development companies
It's probably good that you pointed that out Steve. I've never been a graphic designer but I've done a lot of websites in my time. One of my 'big beefs' with a lot of websites is that they make no effort whatsoever to be usable with simpler browser technologies. In a few cases I've sat down with someone and fired up lynx (or links) to show someone what a blind person probably 'sees' on their site and more importantly to them (usually and unfortunately) what Google will see when they try to index their site. That is REALLLY entertaining when it is an all-flash site which neither lynx or Google can read :) I've always suspected that sites that relied too heavily on JavaScript don't work well or at all for people that are blind. My non-scientific test for most sites is to try to buy their product or get a critical piece of information using only a text based browser like lynx or links. MANY times it is that dumb piece of 'on click' code that is doing input validation that is the gatekeeper prevented me from completing the sale or from changing from one page to another. I haven't tried that on an ajax / 'web2.0' site but suspect I'd be SOL trying to use them. How advanced are the screen readers/etc now days? The other thing I usually try to show people that rely ONLY on JavaScript for input validation is that not only can I turn off JavaScript but I can also circumvent their so called 'security' and put complete garbage data in their database (or worse do sql injection) because they chose to be a bit lazy about input validation and to not ALSO do input validation on the server side. I usually only put in simple JavaScript such as alert boxes and opt to do all of the important logic on the server side where they'll have a harder time circumventing it. That said it has been quite a while since I've built an entire site from scratch... I'm wondering if I could buy one of my own products from my Joomla based shopping cart using links! JD On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 00:37, Steve Holmes st...@holmesgrown.com wrote: I appreciate your interest in looking to the community for ideas for development support. However I am concerned about what you are seeking in your web design goals. I as a blind person, take particular exception to things like heavy animation and eye candy! Frankly, eye candy most often flies in the face of accessibility; that is, the more eye candy, the more flash and the more animation someone throws at a website the far less easy it is for a blind person to even navigate around on such a site. Sory if I come off negative here but I think there should be a lot more to a good website than just artistic beauty or cuteness. In fact, I'm personally studying web development on my own time since my recent lay-off but it is all being done on a LAMP type setup - Linux Apache, MySQL (actually postgresql in my case) and php so I can eventually become marketable with these newer more modern skills. On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 02:23:58PM -0700, Ed Knapp wrote: Good afternoon, all! We are working on some new things at my company and we have come to the conclusion that we need some help from a real web development company. We have a public facing web application hosted on an IIS platform using ASP.NET, javascript and the like. We are looking for someone to help us build the View/Presentation portions of our MVC design model. We can (and did for the last release) do a basic interface but we are looking to make the jump to a very current front end with animations and some eye candy. I thought that I would ask here and support the local community and see if anyone can point me in a direction. If you have worked with someone and enjoyed the experience, I would love to hear from you. Please hit me off list for more details unless you think your reply would be particularly interesting to the rest of the PLUG. Thanks very much! Ed Knapp Peoria, AZ list email: catber...@hotmail.com work email: gkn...@inilex.com either email address is fine. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: looking for recommendations for web development companies
I have always been a fan of the lean site, if you smear graphics and animation all over the place it is usually at the expense of content on the site. this is a lazy way of doing it and i have never really liked a site that fell back to that to try and stand out. i understand if you are presenting something visual you want to make the site work in that manner, however this should be an accent not the body of your site. and this becomes even more obvious when you start talking accessibility and it all leads to sloppy/lazy code.. -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies
Good morning! You make an excellent point and do not sound negative to me at all. This is a 100% valid concern that we do need to consider as we develop our web front end. Even though our product is only used in vehicles (cars, trucks, ships, etc), the discussion is still important on principle. While it is true that the executive group and marketing are one driving force of making the site modern and flashy, there is a real element of making the user interface more intuitive and logical. We are introducing a large number of new, moderately complex, user functions with this release. We are trying to keep the user on one central page and have them use controls that are evocative of something that all drivers are very familiar with: a car dashboard. There are a few other factors that went into the decision making process that I won't go into to spare everyone additional boredom but this is not really just a case of Hey! Make this flashy! We are building smaller interface and lower bandwidth requirements into the model to support a mobile front end as well. Those requirements also could well support a screen reader friendly interface. Thank you very much for your insight. You have certainly given me some things to think about. Have a great day! Ed Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:37:32 -0700 From: st...@holmesgrown.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: looking for recommendations for web development companies I appreciate your interest in looking to the community for ideas for development support. However I am concerned about what you are seeking in your web design goals. I as a blind person, take particular exception to things like heavy animation and eye candy! Frankly, eye candy most often flies in the face of accessibility; that is, the more eye candy, the more flash and the more animation someone throws at a website the far less easy it is for a blind person to even navigate around on such a site. Sory if I come off negative here but I think there should be a lot more to a good website than just artistic beauty or cuteness. In fact, I'm personally studying web development on my own time since my recent lay-off but it is all being done on a LAMP type setup - Linux Apache, MySQL (actually postgresql in my case) and php so I can eventually become marketable with these newer more modern skills. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies
I started following this thread late, but it sounds as if you are looking for a flex+rails type of setup. Am I reading that right? Rails is often thought of for ecommerce, and it is excellent in that role. When you step out of that role, role, rails usually falls apart as a desirable solution very quickly. One exception is as middleware for a client server app. The end client could be flex (aka flash), all fancy and user friendly. The interface would establish a connection to a server (secured if needed) and send messages as xml, or even better a json. The Rails server would then act in proxy for the client and obtain the result from your back end app. Rails would then respond back, probably in xml ot json. Rails is very flexible allowing additional functionlity as new controllers are added, or existing controllers are upgraded with new commands. Was that what you were looking for? Kevin Fries On Oct 15, 2010 9:43 AM, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com wrote: Good morning! You make an excellent point and do not sound negative to me at all. This is a 100% valid concern that we do need to consider as we develop our web front end. Even though our product is only used in vehicles (cars, trucks, ships, etc), the discussion is still important on principle. While it is true that the executive group and marketing are one driving force of making the site modern and flashy, there is a real element of making the user interface more intuitive and logical. We are introducing a large number of new, moderately complex, user functions with this release. We are trying to keep the user on one central page and have them use controls that are evocative of something that all drivers are very familiar with: a car dashboard. There are a few other factors that went into the decision making process that I won't go into to spare everyone additional boredom but this is not really just a case of Hey! Make this flashy! We are building smaller interface and lower bandwidth requirements into the model to support a mobile front end as well. Those requirements also could well support a screen reader friendly interface. Thank you very much for your insight. You have certainly given me some things to think about. Have a great day! Ed Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:37:32 -0700 From: st...@holmesgrown.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: looking for recommendations for web development companies I appreciate your interest in looking to the community for ideas for development support. Ho... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies
The original impetus for this effort was two fold. 1. updated user experience since we are rolling out a much more capable site to replace a very simple one. 2. shifting our design methodology to MVC (Model-View-Controller) our programmers have all of the back end coding under control and we were just looking for someone to literally just build the front end in whatever tools and code that worked best. We wanted to avoid flash and that left us with HTML5, AJAX, JSON, javascript and everything you mentioned. When I think of non-proprietary development, I think of PLUG. I have met a number of very capable people here and wanted to meet my goals and support the local community at the same time. In all candor, we have gotten a good number of proposals for this work and when I compare the companies that were sent to me by the executive and marketing groups of my company against the companies/contractors that I contacted through my efforts here, the local community stacks up very well indeed. This group is full of very skilled professionals and I enjoyed talking with all of them. Ed Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:55:34 -0600 Subject: Re: RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies From: kfri...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I started following this thread late, but it sounds as if you are looking for a flex+rails type of setup. Am I reading that right? Rails is often thought of for ecommerce, and it is excellent in that role. When you step out of that role, role, rails usually falls apart as a desirable solution very quickly. One exception is as middleware for a client server app. The end client could be flex (aka flash), all fancy and user friendly. The interface would establish a connection to a server (secured if needed) and send messages as xml, or even better a json. The Rails server would then act in proxy for the client and obtain the result from your back end app. Rails would then respond back, probably in xml ot json. Rails is very flexible allowing additional functionlity as new controllers are added, or existing controllers are upgraded with new commands. Was that what you were looking for? Kevin Fries --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: looking for recommendations for web development companies
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 05:38:24AM -0700, JD Austin wrote: It's probably good that you pointed that out Steve. I've never been a graphic designer but I've done a lot of websites in my time. One of my 'big beefs' with a lot of websites is that they make no effort whatsoever to be usable with simpler browser technologies. In a few cases I've sat down with someone and fired up lynx (or links) to show someone what a blind person probably 'sees' on their site and more importantly to them (usually and unfortunately) what Google will see when they try to index their site. That is REALLLY entertaining when it is an all-flash site which neither lynx or Google can read :) Yes, text browsers are a good least common denominator though I'm sure web developers don't wanna be forced to restrict themselves to this lower functionality. I also feel the text browsers need to step up some of their compatibility too. I like elinks a lot for my text browsing activities but its javascript support is quite poor in my estimation. But they still have their place; I can read blogs and other simple pages with it and elinks loads much faster than firefox:). I've always suspected that sites that relied too heavily on JavaScript don't work well or at all for people that are blind. My non-scientific test for most sites is to try to buy their product or get a critical piece of information using only a text based browser like lynx or links. MANY times it is that dumb piece of 'on click' code that is doing input validation that is the gatekeeper prevented me from completing the sale or from changing from one page to another. I haven't tried that on an ajax / 'web2.0' site but suspect I'd be SOL trying to use them. How advanced are the screen readers/etc now days? Like I said before, the javascript is non existant in many text browsers; I don't think lynx supports javascript at all and elinks, a distant cousin of links, has some javascript but more often than not, I can't depend on it and I run into a lot of harmless buttons which won't do anything at all in elinks but are essential to complete a transaction. In the text area, many of us use Speakup, a set of kernel modules to provide a talking kernel and others use emacspeak, a facility to make emacs self voicing and then use w3 or w3m to web browsing. I doubt either of those support javascript. Now on the gnome side, Orca has been developed and is still growing as a screen reader but is plenty mature enough to make regular use of it. When used with Firefox, most pages render pretty well and I've been to several ajax and other javascript pages with little difficulty. Personally as a blind person,, javascript doesn't bother me all that much from the a11y point of view. In fact in some ways, I think Orca the free and open source screen reader for the graphical desktop in Linux, can outperform the web access offered by many Windows screen readers that people will pay a thousand dollars for. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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This thread is quite interesting. I see that the ADA regulations were revised recently, and will be taking effect 3/15/11 (http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm). I wonder, to any ADA regulations cover this sort of thing, at least for government sites? How about guidelines for NGOs and other sites? Please forgive me for not finding the answers myself. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 10/15/2010 09:38 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 05:38:24AM -0700, JD Austin wrote: It's probably good that you pointed that out Steve. I've never been a graphic designer but I've done a lot of websites in my time. One of my 'big beefs' with a lot of websites is that they make no effort whatsoever to be usable with simpler browser technologies. In a few cases I've sat down with someone and fired up lynx (or links) to show someone what a blind person probably 'sees' on their site and more importantly to them (usually and unfortunately) what Google will see when they try to index their site. That is REALLLY entertaining when it is an all-flash site which neither lynx or Google can read :) Yes, text browsers are a good least common denominator though I'm sure web developers don't wanna be forced to restrict themselves to this lower functionality. I also feel the text browsers need to step up some of their compatibility too. I like elinks a lot for my text browsing activities but its javascript support is quite poor in my estimation. But they still have their place; I can read blogs and other simple pages with it and elinks loads much faster than firefox:). I've always suspected that sites that relied too heavily on JavaScript don't work well or at all for people that are blind. My non-scientific test for most sites is to try to buy their product or get a critical piece of information using only a text based browser like lynx or links. MANY times it is that dumb piece of 'on click' code that is doing input validation that is the gatekeeper prevented me from completing the sale or from changing from one page to another. I haven't tried that on an ajax / 'web2.0' site but suspect I'd be SOL trying to use them. How advanced are the screen readers/etc now days? Like I said before, the javascript is non existant in many text browsers; I don't think lynx supports javascript at all and elinks, a distant cousin of links, has some javascript but more often than not, I can't depend on it and I run into a lot of harmless buttons which won't do anything at all in elinks but are essential to complete a transaction. In the text area, many of us use Speakup, a set of kernel modules to provide a talking kernel and others use emacspeak, a facility to make emacs self voicing and then use w3 or w3m to web browsing. I doubt either of those support javascript. Now on the gnome side, Orca has been developed and is still growing as a screen reader but is plenty mature enough to make regular use of it. When used with Firefox, most pages render pretty well and I've been to several ajax and other javascript pages with little difficulty. Personally as a blind person,, javascript doesn't bother me all that much from the a11y point of view. In fact in some ways, I think Orca the free and open source screen reader for the graphical desktop in Linux, can outperform the web access offered by many Windows screen readers that people will pay a thousand dollars for. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies
Ok, so I wasn't far off at all. Take a look at Rails as a middleware, its often overlooked in this role. Flex is sotra flash on steroids. But if you have an aversion to that, ajax, json, etc can be substituted. What I was suggesting was not to write your app in Ruby, it was to use rails to handle the communications with your end clients. You could even have multiple clients, using different technologies, and even different communication protocols by using Rails as a muddleware. Just trying ti give you ideas to resolve your development design. Kevin Fries On Oct 15, 2010 10:29 AM, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com wrote: The original impetus for this effort was two fold. 1. updated user experience since we are rolling out a much more capable site to replace a very simple one. 2. shifting our design methodology to MVC (Model-View-Controller) our programmers have all of the back end coding under control and we were just looking for someone to literally just build the front end in whatever tools and code that worked best. We wanted to avoid flash and that left us with HTML5, AJAX, JSON, javascript and everything you mentioned. When I think of non-proprietary development, I think of PLUG. I have met a number of very capable people here and wanted to meet my goals and support the local community at the same time. In all candor, we have gotten a good number of proposals for this work and when I compare the companies that were sent to me by the executive and marketing groups of my company against the companies/contractors that I contacted through my efforts here, the local community stacks up very well indeed. This group is full of very skilled professionals and I enjoyed talking with all of them. Ed -- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:55:34 -0600 Subject: Re: RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies From: kfri...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I started following this thread late, but it sounds as if you are looking for a flex+rails type of s... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies
not at all! this is exactly why I continue to subscribe and read the PLUG list after all these years. I have more of a sysadmin and networking background; coding is definitely outside my professional skill set but I learn a tremendous amount through the list and get exposed constantly to new (to me) things that I can explore on my own. I understand what you are saying and I am indeed going to read up on Flex. I am not a professional programmer but it helps me in my job to have as wide a view as possible of the issues they face and the tools they have available to move the effort forward. Thanks! Ed Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:18:30 -0600 Subject: Re: RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies From: kfri...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Ok, so I wasn't far off at all. Take a look at Rails as a middleware, its often overlooked in this role. Flex is sotra flash on steroids. But if you have an aversion to that, ajax, json, etc can be substituted. What I was suggesting was not to write your app in Ruby, it was to use rails to handle the communications with your end clients. You could even have multiple clients, using different technologies, and even different communication protocols by using Rails as a muddleware. Just trying ti give you ideas to resolve your development design. Kevin Fries --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: RE: looking for recommendations for web development companies
From: Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com multiple clients, using different technologies, and even different communication protocols by using Rails as a muddleware. Yes, you can use Rails to do a lot of interesting stuff. Just build the code sanely and document it well, or it'll turn into a total muddle later on. :-) -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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That holds true to all code... except for Perl, which is by default muddled :) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote: From: Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com multiple clients, using different technologies, and even different communication protocols by using Rails as a muddleware. Yes, you can use Rails to do a lot of interesting stuff. Just build the code sanely and document it well, or it'll turn into a total muddle later on. :-) -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: looking for recommendations for web development companies
The US Government has a mandate to ensure that all of their pages meet Section 508 compliance ( http://www.section508.gov/ ). The last company I worked for in DC did a few web apps for NASA and a few other agencies, and they had to be checked against a standard checklist for accessibility. That doesn't necessarily mean turning off flash and all that, just that the web site has to give everyone access to the same information somehow. The ADA regulations are typically more about the design of a building and site, or other physical accommodations for those with some type of disability. I don't think it gets to the level of detail of web accessibility, but I could be wrong (haven't read the whole regs). Personally, I think that the Section 508 rules should be followed when practical. I'm definitely not a fan of those all flash / no substance pages. But when marketing drives web design, sometimes bad things can happen. - Scott On 2010-10-15 16:53, Eric Shubert wrote: I see that the ADA regulations were revised recently, and will be taking effect 3/15/11 (http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm). I wonder, to any ADA regulations cover this sort of thing, at least for government sites? How about guidelines for NGOs and other sites? Please forgive me for not finding the answers myself. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Thanks Scott. BTW, bad things happen when Marketing (or Accounting) drives anything related to IT. That's been happening for decades. ;) -- -Eric 'shubes' On 10/15/2010 12:48 PM, Scott Piazza wrote: The US Government has a mandate to ensure that all of their pages meet Section 508 compliance ( http://www.section508.gov/ ). The last company I worked for in DC did a few web apps for NASA and a few other agencies, and they had to be checked against a standard checklist for accessibility. That doesn't necessarily mean turning off flash and all that, just that the web site has to give everyone access to the same information somehow. The ADA regulations are typically more about the design of a building and site, or other physical accommodations for those with some type of disability. I don't think it gets to the level of detail of web accessibility, but I could be wrong (haven't read the whole regs). Personally, I think that the Section 508 rules should be followed when practical. I'm definitely not a fan of those all flash / no substance pages. But when marketing drives web design, sometimes bad things can happen. - Scott On 2010-10-15 16:53, Eric Shubert wrote: I see that the ADA regulations were revised recently, and will be taking effect 3/15/11 (http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm). I wonder, to any ADA regulations cover this sort of thing, at least for government sites? How about guidelines for NGOs and other sites? Please forgive me for not finding the answers myself. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
