Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Mayuresh 
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:34:58AM +0530, Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
> I would rather see flash being obsolete, than see a a competant OSS flash 
> alternative.
Amen..
Mayuresh.

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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Shridhar Daithankar 
On Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:01:31 AM Mayuresh wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:22:08AM +0530, Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
> > no choice for users, sadly..
> 
> Worse for BSD users - no chrome either as yet. Currently Linux-flash
> plugin works fine on BSDs through Linux emulation layer.
> 
> Do not know whether flash-through-chrome arrangement applies to Linux
> version of chrome. Guess not since Adobe won't be supporting Linux at all
> in future revisions.
> 
> Contrary to the articles saying mozilla is affected, all non Windows users
> will be affected, if I understand it right.
> 
> Only when people will have to pay from their own pockets to buy Windows
> would perhaps there will be a pressure to support open platforms. Namely:
> 
> - piracy should be in check
> 
> - pre-installed software's cost should be stated separately from that of
>   hardware and option to not buy the latter must be given.
> 
> - Wherever an institution buys software - whether your kid's school or
>   your dayjob, someone should be questioning the costs of proprietary
>   software when more cost effective and quality options are available.
> 
>   (Argh.. they'll give it free to schools and colleges and deliberately
>   so.  Spoil your future buyers at an early age so much that they won't
>   look for alternatives even if you pay them to do so!)
> 
> May sound like day dreaming. But of so many possibilities these are the
> ones I found closer to being feasible.

All those measures are necessary and will help but it is still playing by the 
rules set up by proprietory formats.

For a real change, the playground must change. like apple did in favour of 
html5.
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Regards
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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Shridhar Daithankar 
On Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:41:09 AM Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 02/25/2012 10:22 AM, Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:15:09 AM Mayuresh wrote:
> >> Poor users. Do they have a choice?
> > 
> > Just tried gnash 0.8.10. no luck with those few youtube video that still
> > needs flash and some of the other sites I tested briefly.
> > 
> > no choice for users, sadly..
> 
> Really?  5 years of security updates has been committed to.  You got

to which project?

> Chrome and I am sure Gnash will catch up given the static state of Flash
> at this point.  I don't see any reason to fuss about.

fuss is about 
- being forced to use chrome.
- no real OSS alternative flash as of now


I would rather see flash being obsolete, than see a a competant OSS flash 
alternative.

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Regards
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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Mayuresh 
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 08:59:05AM +0530, gauravs joshi wrote:
> >
> >
> > no need to worry there is already an alternative for adobe flash on linux
> >  GNASH and LIGHTSPARK
> >

Well, for today's state, adobe-flash plugin is there on Linux. Worry is
about future revisions, particularly content that may not be backward
compatible.

Mayuresh.

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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Mayuresh 
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:41:09AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Really?  5 years of security updates has been committed to.  You got
> Chrome and I am sure Gnash will catch up given the static state of Flash
> at this point.  I don't see any reason to fuss about.

Not sure whether chrome-on-linux would have newer flash revisions. (At
least that's how I understood it from Adobe saying they won't support
_Linux_.)

The catch ups happen and open/libre office is a good example, though:

- It becomes harder to win back users lost in the catch up phase.

- This ploy is deliberate and not incidental. It implies, more the OSS
  options catch up, more incompatibilities will be created to ensure it
  never really catches up. (Not only incompatible features, but _content_
  that uses such features that a user would have inclination to consume,
  would be poured upon the web.)

Mayuresh.

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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Mayuresh 
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:22:08AM +0530, Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
> no choice for users, sadly.. 

Worse for BSD users - no chrome either as yet. Currently Linux-flash
plugin works fine on BSDs through Linux emulation layer.

Do not know whether flash-through-chrome arrangement applies to Linux
version of chrome. Guess not since Adobe won't be supporting Linux at all
in future revisions.

Contrary to the articles saying mozilla is affected, all non Windows users
will be affected, if I understand it right.

Only when people will have to pay from their own pockets to buy Windows
would perhaps there will be a pressure to support open platforms. Namely:

- piracy should be in check

- pre-installed software's cost should be stated separately from that of
  hardware and option to not buy the latter must be given.

- Wherever an institution buys software - whether your kid's school or
  your dayjob, someone should be questioning the costs of proprietary
  software when more cost effective and quality options are available.

  (Argh.. they'll give it free to schools and colleges and deliberately
  so.  Spoil your future buyers at an early age so much that they won't
  look for alternatives even if you pay them to do so!)

May sound like day dreaming. But of so many possibilities these are the
ones I found closer to being feasible.

Mayuresh.

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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram 
On 02/25/2012 10:22 AM, Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:15:09 AM Mayuresh wrote:
>> Poor users. Do they have a choice?
> 
> Just tried gnash 0.8.10. no luck with those few youtube video that still 
> needs 
> flash and some of the other sites I tested briefly.
> 
> no choice for users, sadly.. 

Really?  5 years of security updates has been committed to.  You got
Chrome and I am sure Gnash will catch up given the static state of Flash
at this point.  I don't see any reason to fuss about.

Rahul



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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Shridhar Daithankar 
On Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:15:09 AM Mayuresh wrote:
> Poor users. Do they have a choice?

Just tried gnash 0.8.10. no luck with those few youtube video that still needs 
flash and some of the other sites I tested briefly.

no choice for users, sadly.. 
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[PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread gauravs joshi 
>
>
> no need to worry there is already an alternative for adobe flash on linux
>  GNASH and LIGHTSPARK
>
Install GNASH :Homepage 
sudo apt-get install gnash mozilla-plugin-gnash

Install LIGHTSPARK :Homepage 

   - sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sparkers/daily
   - sudo apt-get update
   - sudo apt-get install lightspark browser-plugin-lightspark



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Re: [PLUG] [off-topic] Koha Setup for community Library

2012-02-24 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Neependra Khare  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We are planning to setup community library for Akshar
> Bharati. It
> is an
> initiative to nurture the reading habits in children between age group 5-15
> years from underprivileged and remote areas by facilitating access to good
> non-academic literature.
>
> Akshar Bharari Community Library is our another initiative by which we can
> have books for ourselves and have free books for people around us who can
> not afford to pay. For more details you can look at
> http://neependra.net/?p=368
>
> We wanted to setup a library management software for the same and it looks
> KOHA is best suited for us. I have following questions :-
>
> 1. Is there any solution provider with whom we can buy the hosting, support
> for KOHA?
> 2. If we wanted deploy our own KOHA solution on cloud then what would be
> the best
>approach?
>
>
If the setup is small, KOHA is actually an overkill.
You can consider other lightweight library management software.

A list was available on the UNESCO FOSS portal earlier. Should be there
with some updated/added software now.

Regards
-Sudhanwa


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[PLUG] Fwd: Debian Utsav in SICSR

2012-02-24 Thread Praveen A 
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From: meha!! 
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:41:54 +0530
Subject: Debian Utsav in SICSR
To: cofsug at googlegroups.com


Hello friends,

I would like to invite you for the *Debian Utsav*. Debian is one of the
more known GNU/Linux distributions.  It is the foundation on which popular
distributions such as 'Ubuntu' and other debian-derivatives are made. It is
also known as "The father of Ubuntu!"

Debian Utsav is celebration of Debian Folks - meet at one place, eat, drink
and work on Debian!

Its a series of events to create awareness about Debian and packaging with
the first one held at the end of January 2012 in Magarpatta City and second
in COEP. The idea/intention is to take it to every college and make people
aware for better smarter and ethical computing.

Date :- Sunday 26th February 2012

Time :- 10 :00 a.m. onwards

Venue :- Lab #207,SICSR,Atur Centre,Pune-411016

Please register so that we'll get to know exact count of people
#DebUtsav

Kindly get some pre-installed packages like build-essential and
devscripts.Schedule will be forwaded soon :)

PS: The #DebUtsav is specially kept on Sunday keeping your college schedule
in mind.
PFA the poster as well :) and share with as many people as u like!

For Queries Contact :-

Shirish Agarwal - 091 - 976 333 0874 or shirishag75 at gmail dot com

Meha Raje Upadhyay- +91-9975480409


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Re: [PLUG] flash on firerfox to stop?

2012-02-24 Thread Mayuresh 
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 07:12:31PM +0530, Mayuresh wrote:
> http://www.cio.in/news/adobe-linux-users-get-chrome-or-forget-flash-230152012

More views and counter views:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/why-adobe-is-right-to-abandon-linux-why-its-no-big-deal-and-why-this-could-be-bad-for-mozilla/18425

http://ostatic.com/blog/why-adobe-is-wrong-to-restrict-flash-updates-for-linux-users

Poor users. Do they have a choice?


Mayuresh

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