Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: SB Player, a software Squeezebox player app for Android.
RonM wrote: > I'd temporarily forgotten this issue and was looking forward to > listening to jazz guitarist Mary Halvorsen. No go. Same prob with 48kHz > files. Definitely SBP. Bummer. More evidence. Squeeze Player, which I hadn't used for a very long time because SBPis generally better, played the 48kHz files just fine. So the problem is NOT the mobile. R. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98049 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: SB Player, a software Squeezebox player app for Android.
RonM wrote: > This is not the case. I loaded the 48khz files onto the mobile, and > played with a local app. They worked just fine. > > So, to recap, I have some files with a 48khz sampling rate (most of my > many thousands of files are 44.1, with a few at 96, some at odd rates; > the majority of my files are lossless flacs; the ones in question are > MP3s with a bit rate of 320kbps). Although ALL other files work fine > with SBPlayer, the ones with the 48khz rate do not. I get an error from > SBP saying "unsupported sample rate", an error I don't get with any > other sampling rate. > > At least one other player app plays the 48khz files without difficulty; > as noted, the mobile itself can play the files when installed and played > locally. It's only SBP that seems unable to play these files, although > wt0 reports that SBP plays them fine on his own mobile. > > It's a mystery. I'd temporarily forgotten this issue and was looking forward to listening to jazz guitarist Mary Halvorsen. No go. Same prob with 48kHz files. Definitely SBP. Bummer. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98049 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: CastBridge = integrate Chromecast players with LMS (squeeze2cast)
oyvindo wrote: > Yes, I know that now - it was already answered in post 964 - but thanks > anyway :-) I get thread updates weekly. But ikke noe problem, da vil jeg ikke svare neste gang du har et problemstilling. 3x Squeezebox Touch 1x Squeezebox Classic Server: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9. Mobile: 3x Ipeng on Iphone / 2x Ipeng on Ipad / Orange Squeeze+Squeeze Player Laptops: 2x Squeezeplay 7.8.0-r328 Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104614 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jed1-62 wrote: > I have a minor issue with DASH where it appears that some of the > programs that I select are playing no sound although the progress bar is > moving. The bitrate is 320kbps at this point. To get any sound I have to > use the 'forward' control which then changes the bitrate to 128kbps - AFAICT No version number supplied. I think this is the issue that started last week - BBC chnage show up a bug in 1.5.2 in DASH. I created a test version of 1.5.3 which I think cures the problem - just haven't got around to upating the repo to let all get upgrade. Workaround is to exclude DASH in the Settings format Preferences bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ed39 wrote: > Hi > Nothing is disabled in filetype. > My system is Qnap 251. I'm on 7.9.0 - 1487249278. Latest qnap server is > running a 64 bit, wonder if that is causing a issue. > I can play normal flac files OK still on every player. Ok i sussed it , sorry for the confusion. Its because ive updated to the lastest qnap beta which uses 64bit. Heres a link to the thread if anyone else has the same problem. The copying of the flac and faad file works. Thanks for the quick and detailed reply bpa. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106851-LMS-X64-aware ed39's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59470 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Radio can play AaC, natively, Duet, classic and Boom cannot play AAC > natively - so likely expolanation ois problem with transcoding. > > Check Filetype to see oif there is a entry for AAC - Flac something like > faad/flac and it is not disabled. > > If "faad/flac" is present then lilkely that faad or flac is not working > - in whci case somehting wrong with your installation. To help full LMS > system details are needed just to start guessing. Hi Nothing is disabled in filetype. My system is Qnap 251. I'm on 7.9.0 - 1487249278. Latest qnap server is running a 64 bit, wonder if that is causing a issue. I can play normal flac files OK still on every player. ed39's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59470 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Ok so there is something wrong with my install. Thanks for confirming I will see if I can sort it . John Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Jed1-62's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Jed1-62 wrote: > I have a minor issue with DASH where it appears that some of the > programs that I select are playing no sound although the progress bar is > moving. The bitrate is 320kbps at this point. To get any sound I have to > use the 'forward' control which then changes the bitrate to 128kbps - > > > > * > I presume that this is a BBC issue as some programs play at 320kbps just > fine but I would like confirmation if possible*. > > So Paul Temple will only play at 128kbps and all I get from the below is > silence > > iplayer://aod?dash=http://aod-dash-uk-live.akamaized.net/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_audio/ace7b2-b0028tq5/vf_b0028tq5_2d0082b9-3ff3-4d6f-ac50-1bcd5e6cb45a.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_uk_dash_master.mpd?__gda__=1487518789_6d39ec213bfad480a7fa9ae3c0eecb69&ms=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/version/2.0/vpid/b0028tq5/mediaset/pc&dur=1800&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p01l42v5.jpg&title=Paul%20Temple%2C%20Paul%20Temple%20and%20the%20Vandyke%20Affair%2C%20Roger%20Shelley%20Makes%20a%20Suggestion&desc=The%20detective%20and%20his%20wife%20are%20in%20Paris%20when%20the%20telephone%20rings%20with%20a%20long%20distance%20call > > > > Also if it is case that this is a BBC issue why does the plugin not > automatically select the playable version when in the past it did this. > > > > I have cleared the cache , reinstalled both plugins and replaced the > ExtraPlayableParser.pm but I still have the same issue. To be clear this > issue was happening before I replaced ExtraPlayableParser.pm and seems > to happen on both iPlayer and iPlayer Extra > > I have tried this on both Booms and Touch to rule out transcoding > > > > I can confirm that I do have the images restored in iPlayer Extra ;) > > > John > > > Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1487249278 @ Thu Feb 16 13:00:22 > UTC 2017 > Hostname: media-Aspire-R3610 > IP: ** > HTTP Port: 9000 > OS: Debian - EN - utf8 > Platform: x86_64-linux > Perl Version: 5.22.1 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi > Audio::Scan: 0.95 > Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) > Total Players Recognized: 6 Well it's playing here, I won't say what's going on ;) this is my url > iplayer://aod?dash=http://aod-dash-uk-live.akamaized.net/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_audio/ace7b2-b0028tq5/vf_b0028tq5_2d0082b9-3ff3-4d6f-ac50-1bcd5e6cb45a.ism/pc_hd_abr_v2_uk_dash_master.mpd?__gda__=1487557222_d370f813bd190df48656b0289d686c7f&ms=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/version/2.0/vpid/b0028tq5/mediaset/pc&dur=1800&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p01l42v5.jpg&title=Paul%20Temple%2C%20Paul%20Temple%20and%20the%20Vandyke%20Affair%2C%20Roger%20Shelley%20Makes%20a%20Suggestion&desc=The%20detective%20and%20his%20wife%20are%20in%20Paris%20when%20the%20telephone%20rings%20with%20a%20long%20distance%20call and here 22156 Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1487249278 @ Fri Feb 17 04:08:39 UTC 2017 Hostname: Mothers-piCorePlayer IP: 192.168.1.101 HTTP Port: 9000 OS: piCore - EN - utf8 Platform: armv7l-linux Perl Version: 5.24.0 - arm-linux-gnueabihf-thread-multi-64int Audio::Scan: 0.95 Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) Total Players Recognized: 3 wrote: > > BBC iPlayer v1.5.3 > > BBC iPlayer Extras v1.9.5 with new parser file ronnie +---+ |Filename: 1paul temple.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22156| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ed39 wrote: > Hi ive done the latest updates. I can get my Radio to play iplayer live > and listen again, but my duet,classic, and boom will not even attempt to > play any sound the timebar just stops after 2 seconds. Anyone any > suggestions? Radio can play AaC, natively, Duet, classic and Boom cannot play AAC natively - so likely expolanation ois problem with transcoding. Check Filetype to see oif there is a entry for AAC - Flac something like faad/flac and it is not disabled. If "faad/flac" is present then lilkely that faad or flac is not working - in whci case somehting wrong with your installation. To help full LMS system details are needed just to start guessing. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi ive done the latest updates. I can get my Radio to play iplayer live and listen again, but my duet,classic, and boom will not even attempt to play any sound the timebar just stops after 2 seconds. Anyone any suggestions? ed39's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59470 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce - Song info plugin for FIP radio
whitman wrote: > I'm also getting 128 kbps MP3 from those pdf URLs, and they sound good. > > > The two autour-du channels I've listened to (also using the pdf URLs), > jazz and rock, sound less good and are lower level. And the "more info" > on my SB3 curiously does not provide a bitrate entry for these. But to > my ears, less good. I just played Autour Du Rock and Jazz from command line ... and they were 192k AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 192.0 kbit/12.50% (ratio: 24000->192000) Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3) For the regular FIP station, TuneIn returns to URLs - midfi (as in the PDF and is 128k when I play it) and lofi. Perhaps LMS chooses one randomly. If you enable debug logging for my plugin then you will see which stream URL is really being played. (it gets redirected to a different host - but is the same stream) For example - here is an edited log entry from when I was playing FIP (via a Favorite that points to a TuneIn reference) Code: [17-02-19 17:55:47.0042] Plugins::RadioFrance::Plugin::timerReturn (461) fipradio - timerReturn - client Kitchen stream changed to http://chai5she.lb.vip.cdn.dvmr.fr/fip-midfi.mp3 Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106900 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
jamesarbrown wrote: > I think you are correct and I am surprised. > > Model Squeezebox Firmware 40 > > Its description/name always defaults to Squeezebox2 though, which is > what I think threw me and the fact it had wifi... long time ago, > > I must have an SB1 with optional Wifi. and probably also optional graphics which make the display look like SB2. FW 40 is last SB1 firmware bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
I think you are correct and I am surprised. Model Squeezebox Firmware 40 Its description/name always defaults to Squeezebox2 though, which is what I think threw me and the fact it had wifi... long time ago, I must have an SB1 with optional Wifi. jamesarbrown's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
jamesarbrown wrote: > Does anyone know a way for getting the SB2 to say go for FLC all the > time. SB2 I think supports native and it will then behave like the > Touch, Boom etc. Are you sure you have an SB2 and not an SB1 ? SB2 was put into same case an an SB1 but SB1 cannot play Flac. What is the model number underneath ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
Fixed. Thanks to bpa, the pointer where the issue was is in the aac>pcm conversion. The SB2 seemed to go for PCM (I don't know what rules these players go through to request a format from the SlimServer) yet the touch goes for FLC. Under file types I simply disabled AAC with PCM. The secondary attempt for SB2 in format appears to be MP3 and hence we get a lame conversion.. which seems to sort the issue pointed by bpa. Code: 2812 ?S 0:00 sh -c "/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad" -q -w -f 1 - | "/usr/local/bin/lame" --silent -q 9 - - 2813 ?S 0:00 /usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad -q -w -f 1 - Does anyone know a way for getting the SB2 to say go for FLC all the time. SB2 I think supports native and it will then behave like the Touch, Boom etc. jamesarbrown's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] ANNOUNCE: Alexa voice control (development thread)
Great to see your efforts, well done on taking this on. Looking forward to seeing things progress, if i can help in testing or alike let me know (coder by profession). Kind regards, John skaze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48226 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106569 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
Didn't work Its not a setting or install issue, completely scrubbed squeezeboxserver, including all folders in /var/lib and /usr/share, /etc/squeezeboxserver, reinstalled with only 1 new plugin as iPlayer and still same. Though I hasten to add, my guess was 10% slow, so bpa's 9% sounds exactly like the issue. Just I don't know enough about squeezeboxserver insides to know why it does different transcoding for a touch over a SB2 per previous post. jamesarbrown's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Man in a van wrote: > You have really got to get a "Donate" button, like Man :p > > 22153 > > Super stuff > > ronnie +1 ... even if you don't want cash... nominate your favourite charity! steves999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
Thanks bpa. I will take a look through, last thing i did was deleted /etc/squeezeboxserver and reinstalled. I will look at a full purge, SQL et al. But it is only the SB2 that does this, all other devices I have, touch, boom, radio are fine. Its something specific to that player only. jamesarbrown's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
jamesarbrown wrote: > Could anyone give me an idea where to get to this problem. obviously > would like not to replace the SB2... its sentimental, imported it from > USA when Slim Devices were up and coming before entering UK market. If BBC plays slightly slow about 9% slow then the stream is being played at 44.1Khz rather than at 48Khz ( 44.1/48 = 0.91) which is what BBC uses for HLS and DASH streams. At a guess you are trying to play AAC as PCM (which only knows 44.1Khz) and/or may have disabled Flac or WAV. Before doing any more debugging you must return all File Types setting and conf file settings to "as shipped" - otherwise it will be just "stabs in the dark" to find the issue. It is not good to modify LMS supplied conf files. If you want to modify convert.conf setting - use a custom-convert.conf with the required changes as it will override the convert.conf. It is easier to remove afterwards and is retained between upgrades. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce - Song info plugin for FIP radio
lopasilver wrote: > My experience is that Radio France streams (from pdf above) are 128 kbps > and much better quality than Tunein one's (64 kbps by default). But both > working fine with your plugin I'm also getting 128 kbps MP3 from those pdf URLs, and they sound good. The two autour-du channels I've listened to (also using the pdf URLs), jazz and rock, sound less good and are lower level. And the "more info" on my SB3 curiously does not provide a bitrate entry for these. But to my ears, less good. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106900 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC IPlayer on older SB2 is slurred / slow
Hi, Has anyone had experience with older SB being slurred (slightly slow, almost drunk) on the system, and if synchronised will cause other players to do same. Only on Triode BBC Iplayer and since the newer streaming methods. For past few hours decided to make an effort and try to fix. 1/ I checked it wasn't faad, by both using a stock faad and changing the AAC>PCM settings in the convert.conf from -f 1 -b 1 to -f2 (pcm to wav) and that did not make any difference With a touch only 15730 ?S 0:00 sh -c "/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad" -q -w -f 1 - | "/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/flac 15731 ?S 0:04 /usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad -q -w -f 1 - 15732 ?S 0:02 /usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/flac -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 --ignore-chunk-sizes - With the SB2 on 26747 ?S 0:00 sh -c "/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad" -q -w -f 2 -b 1 - 26748 ?S 0:00 /usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/faad -q -w -f 2 -b 1 - 2/ Have tried changing the stream preference, currently I am on "339kbps CBR, AAC LC" 3/ Re installed LMS 7.9 to latest nightly, tried 7.8.1 too, but that wont start 4/ System Info Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1487249278 @ Thu Feb 16 13:00:22 UTC 2017 Hostname: pvr Server IP Address: 192.168.1.90 Server HTTP Port Number: 9000 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.22.1 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Audio::Scan: 0.95 Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) Total Players Recognized: 4 5/ BBC Iplayer is being pulled from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/repo-short.xml (1.4.10) Could anyone give me an idea where to get to this problem. obviously would like not to replace the SB2... its sentimental, imported it from USA when Slim Devices were up and coming before entering UK market. James jamesarbrown's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106997 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
