Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Peter314;468545 Wrote: > It's just happened again with Radio 1. > > Rats. :( What URL is it happening with? -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
It's just happened again with Radio 1. Rats. :( -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
The only security s/w besides Windows firewall is the free version of AVG. Still only the briefest of rebufferings since A&A made whatever change they made... -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Packet aggregation could produce your symptoms if the ISP timer was too long and ISP equipment was waiting to maximise packet payloads. This could be aggrevated if you have security s/w in your PC which is also examining packets in detail which results in an v. bursty feed to SBS. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Radio 2 just rebuffered at 5%. Expecting the worst, I was delighted to see that rebuffering was rapidly completed and playing resumed without intervention. It's early days, but whatever change A&A made might just have done the trick. Would be nice to have no rebuffering at all, of course... -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
He might have been talking about the bandwidth limiting connected with the BRAS rate. BT tell A&A how fast your line can go and A&A apply a bandwidth limit to stop someone sending you more data than your line can cope with. Not that I can really see how that is likely to effect a low bandwidth audio stream... -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Ok, I listened patiently to Radio 4 until the problem recurred, then called A&A tech support. After establishing that we were talking about a problem with streaming radio, not video, the guy put me on hold for a while to look at what was going on. He went on to say that he has made a change so that there is now no traffic shaping going on (and implying - but not explicitly stating - that there had been traffic shaping). I was told that some value (didn't catch which one, I'm afraid) had now been turned up 'to 110%'. So, we'll see. Radio 2 has been streaming fine for the last 20 mins... -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Peter314;468243 Wrote: > The problem affects Radios 1,2 and 4, which account for 90+% of our > household radio listening. I haven't tried Radio 4, next time it happens I will do that. Pretty sure that Radio 2 has worked for me though even when Radio 1 is not. Will report back. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Siduhe;468231 Wrote: > I can go 1% better and say that I'm occasionally experiencing the 6% of > Doom, but this is only on one station (Radio 1). I assumed it was a > problem at the BBC end rather than with my ISP, as other iPlayer live > listen stations work fine. The problem affects Radios 1,2 and 4, which account for 90+% of our household radio listening. -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Peter314;467966 Wrote: > This happens on each of two wired SB Classics and is known in our house > as The 5% of Doom. Just wondering if anyone else has suffered from this > and/or knows a way of preventing it. I can go 1% better and say that I'm occasionally experiencing the 6% of Doom, but this is only on one station (Radio 1). I assumed it was a problem at the BBC end rather than with my ISP, as other iPlayer live listen stations work fine. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
andynormancx;468211 Wrote: > Give them a call or ask if other people have iPlayer problems on the > Google group: > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk.net.providers.aaisp/topics?lnk=srg Yep, I will certainly give them a call. Thanks for the link. -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
bpa;468203 Wrote: > In parallel, the user should test his own network to eliminate the > possiblility of local network problems between PC and SB and thus show > the problem is between their PC and the BBC. As noted above, local flac files play fine. The system is rock solid apart from the occasional streaming radio problems. Is there any quantitative test I should be running in addition to these observations? -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
bpa;468191 Wrote: > Buffering is network related and since PC is doing transcoding the AAC > will be transcoded into Flac so if the user is using Wifi then user > wireless network would be the next suspect. No, both SBs are wired (one via Homeplugs). They play all local flac files flawlessly, including 24/48. The problem is definitely limited to streaming radio. > Have you tried using Pause - wait a about 10 secs and then play ? I haven't, although the process I follow (into and out of standby, then navigate back to the radio station) probably takes no longer than 10 secs or so. -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Give them a call or ask if other people have iPlayer problems on the Google group: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.net.providers.aaisp/topics?lnk=srg -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
andynormancx;468169 Wrote: > In this case it is definitely not traffic shaping. A&A do zero traffic > shaping on their network, it is one of their key selling points. > > I am on A&A and I don't have any iPlayer buffering problems. Do you > have the same buffering problems with using iPlayer via the iPlayer > website ? Thanks Andy, that's useful to know. I don't know whether iPlayer has the same behaviour from the iPlayer website because all my home listening is via SB Classic. It's not a major problem - streams will often play for hours without a hitch - but it is annoying when it happens because it is not self-correcting. Although I don't listen to the radio via the iPlayer website, I have watched BBC TV programmes this way without any problem. -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
bpa;468203 Wrote: > There is still no harm in the user talking to ISP's tech support. > I didn't suggest there was, I just said they didn't do traffic shaping and pointed him at the next obvious troubleshooting step (seeing if he had buffering problems using iPlayer direct). -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
There is still no harm in the user talking to ISP's tech support. In parallel, the user should test his own network to eliminate the possiblility of local network problems between PC and SB and thus show the problem is between their PC and the BBC. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
bpa;468191 Wrote: > I can only suggestions and the A&A website said it was trialling traffic > shaping in Jul/August 2009. > What they are trialling is traffic shaping that the user can opt into, to allow users to prioritise things like VOIP at the ISP end. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
I can only suggestions and the A&A website said it was trialling traffic shaping in Jul/August 2009. Buffering is network related and since PC is doing transcoding the AAC will be transcoded into Flac so if the user is using Wifi then user wireless network would be the next suspect. > > However, on other occasions it hangs at 5% rebuffering and needs > fixing. The quickest fix is to put the SB into and out of standby, and > then return to the program. Buffering then proceeds normally. > Have you tried using Pause - wait a about 10 secs and then play ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
In this case it is definitely not traffic shaping. A&A do zero traffic shaping on their network, it is one of their key selling points. I am on A&A and I don't have any iPlayer buffering problems. Do you have the same buffering problems with using iPlayer via the iPlayer website ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Thanks - that will help me sound more informed in my discussion. :) -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
It's not to do with bandwidth - more to do with how packets are delivered. Sometimes these shapers don't recognise SBS as an app that needs good packet delivery and they try to aggregate packets which means packets aren't delivered in an even flow. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Thanks bpa, I'll do that. Their tech support is very good; you actually get to speak to someone who knows what he is talking about, and is based at their HQ in Bracknell. Though I'd be a bit surprised if AAISP is the problem, as video streams to my pc ok, and presumably uses much greater bandwidth. -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
You should talk to their tech support about their traffic shaping ( http://www.aaisp.net.uk/kb-broadband-shaping.html ) and see if they can do some testing with your setup to see if traffic shaping is causing your problems. The usual response from ISPs is that traffic shaping could not cause a buffering problem so you may need to persist. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Yes, based in the UK. My ISP is Andrews & Arnold. http://www.aaisp.net.uk/ -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
Some UK based user seems to have buufering problems with BBCiPlayer plugin related to their ISP's traffic shaping. Are you in the UK ? Who is your ISP ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer and The 5% of Doom
>From time to time iPlayer pauses briefly to rebuffer and then carries on fine. However, on other occasions it hangs at 5% rebuffering and needs fixing. The quickest fix is to put the SB into and out of standby, and then return to the program. Buffering then proceeds normally. This happens on each of two wired SB Classics and is known in our house as The 5% of Doom. Just wondering if anyone else has suffered from this and/or knows a way of preventing it. Thanks for any help. Peter Windows XP SP3 SC 7.3.4 Belkin Wireless N router (wired to SC PC and Squeezeboxes) -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69290 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
