Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
I also live in France, and normally start my day with the 'Today' progam on R4 via the excellent Sounds plugin. This mornings program was littered with the rights restriction message, at seemingly random times, so I too suspect a wrong button press or two, altough there was a fair amount of sport on the program, what with Wimbledon and a football match tonight. Yatsushiro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
bpa wrote: > My understanding. > > Where the program is a BBC originated even such as a Panel show, drama > or a live performance such a concert, in studio or Proms - BBC makes > sure beforehand it has agreed all the rights to broadcast (live & > repeats) with the performers. > > Sports events etc which are not put on by BBC and so BBC have to buy the > rights and accept restrictions by event organiser. > > Others rights such as from composers - often don't apply to R3 which has > a lot classical or are negotiated as part of the event or normal > Performing Right fees. R4 content is mainly contemporary. That sounds about right in so far as I understand it. The Beeb are in somethink of a bind - they are public service, and with an implicit (and sometimes explicit) mission to have the UK "heard around the world" But money and contracts matter too, and sometimes the public and the private get in a tangle. We had a conversation here ?last year? about oddities that do crop up. IIRC, I could hear Test Match Special on my French-based laptop - no VPN - using the BBC webpage; but I could only get the Rights Restriction message when trying to access it via LMS. As I recall, someone suggested a couple of useful ways of getting LMS to mirror what I was hearing on my laptop.. Where there's a will, there's a way - and I've seldom encountered a more helpful set of folks than those here in the Forums! LMS 8.1.2 - 1622353561 Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 4 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
agbagb wrote: > Rightly or wrongly, I expected to hear what I have heard for the last 20 > years... pretty much uninterrupted programming on R4, R4Ex and R3. > OK, sports and live music will often have restrictions - but I don't > listen much to them on the BBC. BTW, there is an oddidy here - BBC R3 > has many, many live concerts, some of them presentation of live events, > some in-house studio performances. Never once have I heard the Rights > Restriction message on R3. My understanding. Where the program is a BBC originated even such as a Panel show, drama or a live performance such a concert, in studio or Proms - BBC makes sure beforehand it has agreed all the rights to broadcast (live & repeats) with the performers. Sports events etc which are not put on by BBC and so BBC have to buy the rights and accept restrictions by event organiser. Others rights such as from composers - often don't apply to R3 which has a lot classical or are negotiated as part of the event or normal Performing Right fees. R4 content is mainly contemporary. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
Raymond Woodward wrote: > Well you live outside the UK. Exactly what did you expect to hear? > > The BBC do not hold the rights to broadcast the programming to listeners > outside of the UK. > > It is precisely why Sports Extra is limited to the UK 24/7. Rightly or wrongly, I expected to hear what I have heard for the last 20 years... pretty much uninterrupted programming on R4, R4Ex and R3. OK, sports and live music will often have restrictions - but I don't listen much to them on the BBC. BTW, there is an oddidy here - BBC R3 has many, many live concerts, some of them presentation of live events, some in-house studio performances. Never once have I heard the Rights Restriction message on R3. LMS 8.1.2 - 1622353561 Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 4 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
I agree with Paul and finger trouble is an issue especially where programs get delayed such as football going into extra time or with cricket where rain stops play. In the past, I have found examples of the Podcast of a program being UK restricted but the "Listen Again" version not restricted (and have better audio quality). This is finger trouble. Restrictions can also apply to First-time or Live broadcasts (and so not on later repeats) or sometimes an unexpected performance happens (e.g. an interviewee starts singing) Just for completeness - the MP3 streams are classified as non UK. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
agbagb wrote: > I'm listening in France, and not (usually) using a VPN. No Rights > Restrictions messages at all for the past several months, but a flurry > of them yesterday and today; and in the middle of programs / segments, > rather than at the start of something "restricted". Well you live outside the UK. Exactly what did you expect to hear? The BBC do not hold the rights to broadcast the programming to listeners outside of the UK. It is precisely why Sports Extra is limited to the UK 24/7. Raymond Woodward's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63990 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
bpa wrote: > If you are in France you should not be able to play UK only streams > except with a VPN but VPNs are not guaranteed to provide the UK only > streams - the bitrate will indicate this. > > BBCiPlayer plugin is out of date and shoudl nto be used. UK vs nonUK > options is no longer trustworthy especially since BBC stopped using > Limelight. > > Rights restrictions often happen in summer because of more sports. I stream (mostly via Sounds) BBC R4, R3 and R4Ex almost all day, every day; and there are almost never any Rights Restrictions cut-outs. The only time I use a VPN for said streaming is when I happen to be using it for something else (TV, banking etc etc). The restrictions I do occasionally encounter are, as you and others say, almost always sports-related; or - and this is an odd one - that Thought for the Day segment on R4 Today program, where some contributors must have a contract that gives the Beeb UK rights only to their musings. The restrictions seem a tad random just now, and I suspect Paul Webster, above, has the right of it - summer "finger troubles" in the BBC control room! LMS 8.1.2 - 1622353561 Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 4 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
agbagb wrote: > I'm listening in France, and not (usually) using a VPN. No Rights > Restrictions messages at all for the past several months, but a flurry > of them yesterday and today; and in the middle of programs / segments, > rather than at the start of something "restricted". If you are in France you should not be able to play UK only streams except with a VPN but VPNs are not guaranteed to provide the UK only streams - the bitrate will indicate this. BBCiPlayer plugin is out of date and shoudl nto be used. UK vs nonUK options is no longer trustworthy especially since BBC stopped using Limelight. Rights restrictions often happen in summer because of more sports. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
agbagb wrote: > here in France > It of course always happens from time to time, with specific programming > or segments / guests. But I'm getting it now half-way through, for > example, a sports report, or an interview with a UK politician I suspect that with international football and tennis now on from 11:00 to 22:00 then BBC systems might go wrong when someone either has to press a button (to indicate international rights prevent broadcast) or perhaps a flag not correctly set in their internal EPG for their playout systems or a late schedule change. So a news report that happens to include audio from a sports event might make this happen - and then someone forgets to clear it (like we sometimes hear with traffic announcements on FM radio when driving along and radio switches to local traffic news and then stays there for the subsequent phone-in about pasties of the world). Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
And I should add, this seems to apply only to Radio4 FM - I'm not getting it on R3 or R4Ex (so far as I can tell). LMS 8.1.2 - 1622353561 Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 4 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
bpa wrote: > I only listen to a few BBC "Listen Again" and so don't encounter rights > restrictions but from dealing with BBCiPlayer plugin I got to know when > rights restrictions messages typically occurred. > > You should not be getting any rights restrictions messages on UK > streams. > > Are you outside the UK and using a VPN to access UK streams ? > BBC often actively try to restrict VPN access. With BBCiPlayer plugin, > some VPN users had to use the Limelight CDN as their VPNs didn't work on > the Akamai CDN URLs. I believe BBC have now moved away from Limelight. > If you are UK based it's possible you are getting caught by accident > (i.e. a VPN is using the same ISP as yourself for the UK access) and so > should report it to BBC. I'm listening in France, and not (usually) using a VPN. No Rights Restrictions messages at all for the past several months, but a flurry of them yesterday and today; and in the middle of programs / segments, rather than at the start of something "restricted". LMS 8.1.2 - 1622353561 Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 4 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC Radio Rights Restrictions
agbagb wrote: > I listen to the BBC (usually Radio 4 FM) here in France, usually these > days via the Sounds plug-in. Lot's and lots of interruptions these last > 2 days with that annoying "Rights Restrictions" message over-riding the > programming. I'm getting that same message via Sounds, the old iPlayer > streams (both UK and non-UK) and even the BBC's own mp3 stream. Anybody > else getting the same? It of course always happens from time to time, > with specific programming or segments / guests. But I'm getting it now > half-way through, for example, a sports report, or an interview with a > UK politician I only listen to a few BBC "Listen Again" and so don't encounter rights restrictions but from dealing with BBCiPlayer plugin I got to know when rights restrictions messages typically occurred. You should not be getting any rights restrictions messages on UK streams. Are you outside the UK and using a VPN to access UK streams ? BBC often actively try to restrict VPN access. With BBCiPlayer plugin, some VPN users had to use the Limelight CDN as their VPNs didn't work on the Akamai CDN URLs. I believe BBC have now moved away from Limelight. If you are UK based it's possible you are getting caught by accident (i.e. a VPN is using the same ISP as yourself for the UK access) and so should report it to BBC. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114776 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
