Re: [pmwiki-users] galleria problem
Hi Peter My experience with Galleria is this. All MSIE have problems when some other scripts make some initialisation at the same time. The results are not predictable anymore, the error messages are different in all MSIE, sometimes it can work, sometimes some features don't work. When implementation MiniGalleria on the plain pmwiki Skin works, the script IMHO works, but a template (with other scripts) may disturb execution. regards Patrick Ogay Zitat von Peter Gragert : Lately I got the 'strange' message that a galleria diashow sometimes worked with the IE and sometimes not. Same PC but using e.g. firefox, no problem . Thinking: how is that possible There was only one idea: the underwater used software made the problem. INDEED, change from to the newest to download version from galleria and doing all 'directly', thus not in PmWiki, It was now as was expected! Working in Windows 8 with latest IE. Trying to use the galleria.php of PmWiki with the latest galleria software seemed easy just replace the filenames of the galleria, because they include version numbers, failed! ;-(. Peter was just a bit not clever enough to understand the pmwiki-way and jquery to activate the galleria. Means that I need some help to upgrade the addon for us all! Maybe making the 'advanced' possibilities available in the addon too??!! Helper, old author, please contact me Peter ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] galleria recipes crossbrowser issues (with minigalleria the same problem)
After two weeks of break, today I did many tests with my layout (based on notsosimple skin) and pmwiki default layout. It was a very stupid "error" indeed: Comparing and testing statement by statment I have seen, that there was still a ***window.onload = function(){.} hidden in a prcedure in skin.tmpl I will check the documentation on pmwiki, and mention this issue (if it's not already). regards Patrick Ogay Quoting li...@basel-inside.ch: After looking for the thickbox recipe, I found the minifancybox recipe which I also tried. The funny thing is, the example site work in MSIE. It works also on my site with the standard layout. MSIE refuses to work with my adapted skins, certainly some differences which lead to conflicts. I do further testing... regards Patrick Ogay ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] galleria recipes crossbrowser issues (with minigalleria the same problem)
After looking for the thickbox recipe, I found the minifancybox recipe which I also tried. The funny thing is, the example site work in MSIE. It works also on my site with the standard layout. MSIE refuses to work with my adapted skins, certainly some differences which lead to conflicts. I do further testing... regards Patrick Ogay ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] galleria recipes crossbrowser issues (with minigalleria the same problem)
thank you, Petko, I really do understand and thank for your answer. Me aswell, I work with Linux and non MSIE browsers and my only available Win-test PC is my girlfriends vista laptop. I will continiue to do researches, as I love pmwiki and Galleria is a killer feature. One problem is probably a sync problem particularly when HTML and code is generated, which results in different behavior for different MSIE. (One problem is that galleria don't has all data it needs at the time). Another problem are certainly style sheet conflicts. Even if the general problems are known, I didn't find a reliable work arround. First of all I will implement the skin switcher, to be able to test galliera more easyly with different skins.. Thank you very much, Petko, for your very nice work with picture galleries, I love it. regards Patrick Ogay P.S. The nuisance is that some absolute PC beginners with new laptops only have a MSIE and are even not able or willing to download another browser. And they always think the website doesn't work. (also I'm shure it's a solvable problem, but needs time). ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] galleria recipes crossbrowser issues (with minigalleria the same problem)
I don't have an easy way to test browsers on the Windows operating system, and I don't have much free time right now but I have packed the most recent version of Galleria with a recent jQuery release here: http://tl.5ko.fr/M/Galleria132 Please test the page with MSIE and other browsers it and report if it works. Unfortunately I don't have the free time right now to review and fix other skins (contact their authors), or to fix the core Galleria program if it really doesn't work with some browser (contact its developers: they also offer VIP support: http://galleria.io/support/ ). And if, as you say, all other browsers do work perfectly, you can possibly blame the authors of MSIE (although I doubt that if you contact them they will fix it ASAP). :-) Petko li...@basel-inside.ch writes: I'm still looking for a solution for my site to display a picture gallery (as galleria unsually does). May be there is also an other scriptthan galleria with a similar layout. Unfortunatly the "galleria" recipe didn't work on my site with MSIE and I really spent a lot of time of research an tests with this issue and was very frustrated. Later I found "minigalleria", which *worked* for my installation (but only with pmwiki default skin). seems to be o.k. works in MSIE 7 und ietester 8 derived from pmwiki skin 1] http://orientalcarpetstudio.com.jovinus- meta.net/pm/default/Carpet/TestMinigalleriaT02 derived fro "simple" (with sidebar) layout o.k., but no links for flashes and small pics. Some Times problems with loading pics. 2] http://orientalcarpetstudio.com.jovinus- meta.net/pm/default/Carpet/TestMinigalleriaTDft I'm wondring, what the login difference 1] and 2] usually I need the same configs. For the demonstration I use a per page configs. Target skin doesn't seem to work in MSIE at all this is derived from 2] but with outer-divition, but layout is nested anyway. 3] http://orientalcarpetstudio.com.jovinus-meta.net/Carpet/10001 I really hope to find out, what is the major problem so I can fix the installation for MSIE. Thank you for any hinds regards Patrick Ogay P.S. There are a lot of people who have problems with plugins and galleria (also in wordpress). And other browsers as MSIE always work perfectly. ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On 6/14/2011 12:58 PM, DaveG wrote: But now it is the same for all>>Galleria<< Correct. That is because getDataConfig not only sets preferences, but also actually creates the gallery. This basically means you need to either use markup, OR use the getDataConfig method for a given gallery(ies) -- you can't do both. Okay, what I wrote is incorrect -- I didn't mean getDataConfig, I meant dataConfig. The point I was trying to make is that setting description and title parameters will also cause the creation of the gallery. From a quick look at the docs, you can't set global options to apply to all galleries outside of the creation of a gallery. That means you either use the pmwiki markup, or use a method like Petko described in javascript. The galleria markup does allow you to pass in the same parameters as getDataConfig though, so this shouldn't be a show-stopper. It would be nice to be able to set some global parameters though, like the description/tag preference for example. I'll try to take a look at that over the weekend. This still holds true ;) ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On 6/11/2011 3:04 AM, Petko Yotov wrote: 3] Allow for some form of styling to be put around image and table captions. The "| Caption" part after an image can already be styled: Attach:im.jpg | ''Some %green%styled%% caption.'' Very good point, and makes the selector much easier and more reliable, thanks. ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On Saturday 11 June 2011 14:41:51, Petko Yotov wrote : > 2. I don't need the (:galleria list=#section:) markup if I use one CSS > class "Galleria", and let the library find all such blocks automatically I noticed that the (:galleria:) markup allows custom effects, specific to each image list -- it should continue to work with the adapted javascript snippet. Petko ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On Saturday 11 June 2011 05:18:00, DaveG wrote : > Options for a more rigorous solution might be: > 1] Since the caption is not currently part of the image it makes sense > the caption is not passed as a parameter into the image parsing > function. Is there a possibility to change this? > > 2] Or, allow for a separate definition of ALT and TITLE within markup. > Possibly separate the title from alt with another pipe delimiter. Since one use case of your recipe is the first and only one that ever needed something like this, it may be appropriate to go ahead and implement the features directly into the recipe. > 3] Allow for some form of styling to be put around image and table > captions. The "| Caption" part after an image can already be styled: Attach:im.jpg | ''Some %green%styled%% caption.'' Petko ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On 6/10/2011 11:18 PM, DaveG wrote: The example will not work in PmWiki without some tweaking, but it shouldn't be hard. Thanks, that seems like a workable solution, although I've not yet been able to find a selector that can get text after the BR. I have the selector: $(img).parent('div').contents().filter(function(){ return this.nodeType == 3 }).text() Unfortunately I can't yet get it to work in the context: $('#demo').galleria({ dataConfig: function(img) { return { description: $(img).parent('div').contents().filter(function(){ return this.nodeType == 3 }).text() } } }); ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On 6/10/2011 8:52 PM, Petko Yotov wrote: Agreed, but is there no reason why the two *have* to be the same. They don't "have" to, but when we convert from simplified wiki-markup to HTML, what PmWiki does is simple, quick and probably most convenient for most people in most cases. Is there a way to provide different text for the ALT and TITLE? Not with the default PmWiki installation. Looking at your demo page, the easiest fix for the double caption may be to just disable one of the attributes, by adding such a line to config.php: $ImgTagFmt = ""; # no alt Another approach based on that idea might be something like: $ImgTagFmt=""; However, the caption isn't passed into the image handler function. Which is reasonable given it's not part of the image tag. Looking at the Galleria documentation, I see that it is possible to get the description from a text element after the image, eg. from the "| caption" part generated by PmWiki. The method is shown here: http://galleria.aino.se/docs/1.2/references/data/#using-html-with-dataconfig The example will not work in PmWiki without some tweaking, but it shouldn't be hard. Thanks, that seems like a workable solution, although I've not yet been able to find a selector that can get text after the BR. Options for a more rigorous solution might be: 1] Since the caption is not currently part of the image it makes sense the caption is not passed as a parameter into the image parsing function. Is there a possibility to change this? 2] Or, allow for a separate definition of ALT and TITLE within markup. Possibly separate the title from alt with another pipe delimiter. 3] Allow for some form of styling to be put around image and table captions. Option [3] is probably the more generally usable, with the creation of some form of $CationFmt variable. If this seems a reasonable approach, I'll add a PITS entry. ~ ~ Dave ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On Saturday 11 June 2011 02:09:47, DaveG wrote : > On 6/10/2011 4:18 PM, Petko Yotov wrote: > > Browsers should display the alt text when the image cannot be displayed, > > and the title text in a tooltip box/bubble when the mouse cursor is > > positioned over the image. (In the past, Internet Explorer used the alt > > text for both, but this behavior is not standard.) > > Agreed, but is there no reason why the two *have* to be the same. They don't "have" to, but when we convert from simplified wiki-markup to HTML, what PmWiki does is simple, quick and probably most convenient for most people in most cases. > Is there a way to provide different text for the ALT and TITLE? Not with the default PmWiki installation. Looking at your demo page, the easiest fix for the double caption may be to just disable one of the attributes, by adding such a line to config.php: $ImgTagFmt = ""; # no alt Looking at the Galleria documentation, I see that it is possible to get the description from a text element after the image, eg. from the "| caption" part generated by PmWiki. The method is shown here: http://galleria.aino.se/docs/1.2/references/data/#using-html-with-dataconfig The example will not work in PmWiki without some tweaking, but it shouldn't be hard. Petko ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On 6/10/2011 4:18 PM, Petko Yotov wrote: PmWiki adds the string in quotes in both alt= and title= attributes of the image tag. You can see the HTML source code of the page. Agreed, as I also noted. Browsers should display the alt text when the image cannot be displayed, and the title text in a tooltip box/bubble when the mouse cursor is positioned over the image. (In the past, Internet Explorer used the alt text for both, but this behavior is not standard.) Agreed, but is there no reason why the two *have* to be the same. Is there a way to provide different text for the ALT and TITLE? ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On Friday 10 June 2011 20:23:12, DaveG wrote : > According to http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/Images, alt text is > identified by double quotes immediately following the image url; a > caption can follow separated by a vertical bar (|). The text after the vertical bar is a caption, it appears in the wiki page, and can contain styles, colors, links, etc. > However, in a quick test (ref Test/Images-Draft), I think the docs are a > little misleading, as further down it's noted that the pipe is to > identify a Caption more than affecting the TITLE attribute. > > So, end result is I'm not sure how to identify a TITLE attribute for an > image tag. PmWiki adds the string in quotes in both alt= and title= attributes of the image tag. You can see the HTML source code of the page. Browsers should display the alt text when the image cannot be displayed, and the title text in a tooltip box/bubble when the mouse cursor is positioned over the image. (In the past, Internet Explorer used the alt text for both, but this behavior is not standard.) Petko ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/Images On 6/10/2011 11:41 AM, Peter Gragert wrote: Oh, the dubbel text is a behavior missing 'alt="the italic line"' That means, how doe I add a HTML alt to an Attach:pic.jpt"Title" alt = According to http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/Images, alt text is identified by double quotes immediately following the image url; a caption can follow separated by a vertical bar (|). However, in a quick test (ref Test/Images-Draft), I think the docs are a little misleading, as further down it's noted that the pipe is to identify a Caption more than affecting the TITLE attribute. So, end result is I'm not sure how to identify a TITLE attribute for an image tag. ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On 6/10/2011 11:34 AM, Peter Gragert wrote: Thanks Dave, Discovered the small (white) I (letter i) at the left top of an image ... THAT has to be activated! But the text occurs twice, fat white, and grey italic ??? A little bit of work? That's actually correct behavior for the way Galleria works, and is because the markup: * Attach:P5123230.jpg"This is image 1 -- very nice" Adds the text to both the alt and title tags, which galleria uses for different purposes. ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
Oh, the dubbel text is a behavior missing 'alt="the italic line"' That means, how doe I add a HTML alt to an Attach:pic.jpt"Title" alt = Peter -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: DaveG [mailto:pmw...@solidgone.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 10 juni 2011 15:48 Aan: Peter Gragert CC: pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com Onderwerp: Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria On 6/10/2011 5:48 AM, Peter Gragert wrote: > Hallo, > > Galleria is indeed nicely adjusted. > > Two remarks : > > 1.Images with Captions does not show the captions? Check that be CSS coloring style on text/links is not the same color as the background and thus hiding the text. Also make sure you set the config appropriately: http://galleria.aino.se/docs/1.2/options/dataConfig/ > 2.How to start autoplay again, after a click on a thumbnail? (I mean not > 'reload', which starts again but at image 1) I may be wrong, but I'm not sure this capability exists yet. I see pauseOnInteraction defaults to true, but don't see an oppoosite action. You'd probably have to add a custom control to resume play. I'll look at it over the weekend, to make sure I'm not missing anything. - Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 10.0.1382 / Virusdatabase: 1513/3691 - datum van uitgifte: 06/09/11 ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
Thanks Dave, Discovered the small (white) I (letter i) at the left top of an image ... THAT has to be activated! But the text occurs twice, fat white, and grey italic ??? A little bit of work? Greetings Peter -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: DaveG [mailto:pmw...@solidgone.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 10 juni 2011 15:48 Aan: Peter Gragert CC: pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com Onderwerp: Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria On 6/10/2011 5:48 AM, Peter Gragert wrote: > Hallo, > > Galleria is indeed nicely adjusted. > > Two remarks : > > 1.Images with Captions does not show the captions? Check that be CSS coloring style on text/links is not the same color as the background and thus hiding the text. Also make sure you set the config appropriately: http://galleria.aino.se/docs/1.2/options/dataConfig/ > 2.How to start autoplay again, after a click on a thumbnail? (I mean not > 'reload', which starts again but at image 1) I may be wrong, but I'm not sure this capability exists yet. I see pauseOnInteraction defaults to true, but don't see an oppoosite action. You'd probably have to add a custom control to resume play. I'll look at it over the weekend, to make sure I'm not missing anything. - Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 10.0.1382 / Virusdatabase: 1513/3691 - datum van uitgifte: 06/09/11 ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria
On 6/10/2011 5:48 AM, Peter Gragert wrote: Hallo, Galleria is indeed nicely adjusted. Two remarks : 1.Images with Captions does not show the captions? Check that be CSS coloring style on text/links is not the same color as the background and thus hiding the text. Also make sure you set the config appropriately: http://galleria.aino.se/docs/1.2/options/dataConfig/ 2.How to start autoplay again, after a click on a thumbnail? (I mean not ‘reload’, which starts again but at image 1) I may be wrong, but I'm not sure this capability exists yet. I see pauseOnInteraction defaults to true, but don't see an oppoosite action. You'd probably have to add a custom control to resume play. I'll look at it over the weekend, to make sure I'm not missing anything. ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria problem
On 6/8/2010 10:24 AM, pmw...@911networks.com wrote: On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:39:17 -0400 DaveG wrote: 2. Is there a way of displaying text next to the image as an explanation? Meaning that the text will change with each image? * Attach:photo1.jpg|'''Display text for photo1''' * Attach:photo2.jpg|'''Display text for photo2''' doesn't work. That is not yet implemented. I had plans to do it, but never made time to actually work on it. I have found that I can display some text by using the alternate: * Attach:photo1.jpg"Alternate text for photo1 will display"|'''This text will not display''' I don't know either php or javascript. But I took a look at galleria.php . Where do you process the image list? Can you point me in the direction and see if I can do something? The image list is processed from jquery.galleria.js (note though that by default jquery.galleria.pack.js is used, so if you plan to make changes, point HTMLHeaderFmt to the non-packed version). The to jquery.galleria.js is made galleria.php. Basically you'll primarily be changing jquery.galleria.js. Documentation for the is here: http://monc.se/kitchen/146/galleria-a-javascript-image-gallery Also note that there seems to be some activity for a new release of galleria.js, which appears to have support for a description. At some point I'll take a look at upgrading Galleria to the new release of galleris.js. ~ ~ Dave ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria problem
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:39:17 -0400 DaveG wrote: >> 2. Is there a way of displaying text next to the image >> as an explanation? Meaning that the text will change with each >> image? >> * Attach:photo1.jpg|'''Display text for photo1''' >> * Attach:photo2.jpg|'''Display text for photo2''' >> doesn't work. > >That is not yet implemented. I had plans to do it, but never made >time to actually work on it. > I have found that I can display some text by using the alternate: * Attach:photo1.jpg"Alternate text for photo1 will display"|'''This text will not display''' I don't know either php or javascript. But I took a look at galleria.php . Where do you process the image list? Can you point me in the direction and see if I can do something? -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria problem
On 6/8/2010 1:58 AM, pmw...@911networks.com wrote: On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:08:32 -0400 DaveG wrote: On 6/7/2010 2:57 AM, pmw...@911networks.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get galleria to work without any success: ... I just used your markup and everything worked. My guess is that the script is not included correctly, back in 2. Thanks 1. You were right. I've fixed it. It had to do with a wrong scripturl. 2. Is there a way of displaying text next to the image as an explanation? Meaning that the text will change with each image? * Attach:photo1.jpg|'''Display text for photo1''' * Attach:photo2.jpg|'''Display text for photo2''' doesn't work. That is not yet implemented. I had plans to do it, but never made time to actually work on it. ~ ~ Dave ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria problem
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:08:32 -0400 DaveG wrote: > > >On 6/7/2010 2:57 AM, pmw...@911networks.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to get galleria to work without any success: ... >I just used your markup and everything worked. My guess is that the >script is not included correctly, back in 2. Thanks 1. You were right. I've fixed it. It had to do with a wrong scripturl. 2. Is there a way of displaying text next to the image as an explanation? Meaning that the text will change with each image? * Attach:photo1.jpg|'''Display text for photo1''' * Attach:photo2.jpg|'''Display text for photo2''' doesn't work. -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Galleria problem
On 6/7/2010 2:57 AM, pmw...@911networks.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get galleria to work without any success: 1. Extracted galleria to cookbook and pub like it show on the galleria page 2. config.php: include_once("$FarmD/cookbook/galleria/galleria.php"); 3. (:div id="demo1":) * Attach:gallery/bella.jpg * Attach:gallery/blue.jpg * Attach:gallery/booby_lou.jpg * Attach:gallery/buddy.jpg * Attach:gallery/chaos.jpg * Attach:gallery/fizz.jpg * Attach:gallery/hadden.jpg * Attach:gallery/hadden_park.jpg * Attach:gallery/harley.jpg * Attach:gallery/lance.jpg * Attach:gallery/lovey.jpg * Attach:gallery/marble.jpg (:divend:) (:galleria list="#demo1 ul" carousel=true:) It only shows the photos as one after the other. No carousel, no switching between photos. I must be missing something, but I don't know what. It sounds like the cookbook script is not getting included, or perhaps there is a conflict with another recipe? Are you loading another recipe which uses jquery -- there may be a version issue. I just used your markup and everything worked. My guess is that the script is not included correctly, back in 2. ~ ~ Dave ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users