Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: My main concern is whether it would be appropriate to advertise, on Pm's site, services which may be in competition with his own business. I don't have any problem with having a SolutionProviders page or a directory of people who provide PmWiki-related services, as long as the various licenses and trademarks are being respected. This is true even for services that could be construed as being in competition for my own. I think people might feel inhibited if you don't create the inital page for them... sort of like going into someone elses turf without a clear invitiation. (Yes, I know you actually did write a go-ahead). Also, if anyone is interested in advertising on prime real estate for the pmwiki.org site (such as the PmWiki home page), I'm open to discuss it. Currently the pmwiki.org home page receives on the order of 700 pageviews per day (according to Google Analytics). At first I thought only 700, but then I noticed it was only the home page. Out of curiosity though... do you think Google Analytics is able to reliably recognize humans from bots etc? As a side note, I often go to pmwiki.org when looking for documentation, so some of these visits might be people lik me. So out of further curiosity, do you have any statistics for a page that's likely to be visited by someone interested in learning more about pmwiki? (I looked at the home page and couldn't find a single obvious link of where to go for learning more about pmwiki - maybe you should have such a page?) ok, I'll stop rambling now :-) /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:06:57AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, if anyone is interested in advertising on prime real estate for the pmwiki.org site (such as the PmWiki home page), I'm open to discuss it. Currently the pmwiki.org home page receives on the order of 700 pageviews per day (according to Google Analytics). At first I thought only 700, but then I noticed it was only the home page. Out of curiosity though... do you think Google Analytics is able to reliably recognize humans from bots etc? Sure. Google Analytics works via a small snippet of javascript on each page that causes browsers to issue requests back to Google's site (which Google then counts). Since most bots don't parse or evaluate the javascript, only real browsers tend to get counted. As a side note, I often go to pmwiki.org when looking for documentation, so some of these visits might be people lik me. Sure. Analytics says that 35% arrive via Google search, and 17% arrive directly. So out of further curiosity, do you have any statistics for a page that's likely to be visited by someone interested in learning more about pmwiki? (I looked at the home page and couldn't find a single obvious link of where to go for learning more about pmwiki - maybe you should have such a page?) For February, the most visited sections were the Cookbook and PmWiki groups (203,282 and 93,896 pageviews respectively). You're correct that there's not a single obvious link that would catch newcomers... I'll add one if I can find an appropriate place for it. Pm ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 01:15:52PM -0500, Sandy wrote: My main concern is whether it would be appropriate to advertise, on Pm's site, services which may be in competition with his own business. Sorry it's taken me a few days to catch up with this thread (I'm still backlogged on emails from last week). I don't have any problem with having a SolutionProviders page or a directory of people who provide PmWiki-related services, as long as the various licenses and trademarks are being respected. This is true even for services that could be construed as being in competition for my own. Also, if anyone is interested in advertising on prime real estate for the pmwiki.org site (such as the PmWiki home page), I'm open to discuss it. Currently the pmwiki.org home page receives on the order of 700 pageviews per day (according to Google Analytics). Pm ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
Sandy wrote: Response was positive, so: http://pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/ForHire Notice the word DRAFT. May have too much fine print. I tried to write this with the customer in mind, to answer the questions he will, or should, ask up front. Comments welcome. Eventually, when the word Draft is removed, I will link to here from the PmWiki/Users list. Sandy Word DRAFT has been taken off. Don't see anyone but the sample (who should be taken off as soon as there is a real person added). Also fixed the sample, took out the dry humour. And added link from PmWiki/Users, which also contains several consultants, buried with the regular users. Sandy ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
Response was positive, so: http://pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/ForHire Notice the word DRAFT. May have too much fine print. I tried to write this with the customer in mind, to answer the questions he will, or should, ask up front. Comments welcome. Eventually, when the word Draft is removed, I will link to here from the PmWiki/Users list. Sandy ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On 3/9/07, Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extracts from a hobby newsgroup: A: You put your illustrated story up in Word format. I can't read it. B: Oh, is Word format bad? It's the only way I could think of. B: I'm so excited! I've hired a professional to design my new site! Will I still have to learn HTML to put up my illustrated story? (Her current site a paid Yahoo site.) Anyone else out there biting their tongue? Of course, I wanted to tell her, too late, Contact one of the people on the PmWiki list. Is it worth (or advisable) to have a page on PmWiki.org of people who create PmWiki sites for others? Brainstorm of what to include: * size and price (range). Do you prefer small hobby sites or multi-nationals? ** include 1 year domain reg hosting? Hobbiests don't know to ask. * link to own site and portfolio * usual fine print about PmWiki not actually approving any of these desginers. Is designers the best term for this? When I see designers, I think of graphic designers first. Of course, I don't know what would be better - I often use web developer, but I suppose that can be misunderstood, too. wiki developers? ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
Friday, March 9, 2007, 3:12:26 PM, Tegan wrote: Is designers the best term for this? When I see designers, I think of graphic designers first. Of course, I don't know what would be better - I often use web developer, but I suppose that can be misunderstood, too. wiki developers? I call it web designers. Why not? It is partly graphical, partly functional, and not too much content (I try to teach the customer how to edit and add pages etc.). Wiki or PmWiki developer is one who develops software, i.e. add-ons for PmWiki, what's called recipes. Hans ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 09:12 -0600, Tegan Dowling wrote: Is designers the best term for this? When I see designers, I think of graphic designers first. Of course, I don't know what would be better - I often use web developer, but I suppose that can be misunderstood, too. wiki developers? I'd be tempted to think of wiki developers as people who work on the actual wiki engines, as it were. Wiki designers works quite well for the people who unzip the wiki in place and then give it a unique look and feel, and so on. Where that leaves people like me who skin the wiki to match a pre-existing design, I'm not sure Skinning isn't really design, and choosing useful add-ons from the cookbook isn't really development, but maybe something almost but not quite in between? Steve -- Steve Glover at email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDSS, EDINA, University of Edinburgh, tel: +44 (0)131-650 2908 Causewayside House, 160 Causewayside, fax: +44 (0)131-650 3308 Edinburgh EH9 1PR mobile: +44 (0) 7961 446 902 ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On 3/9/07, Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: page on PmWiki.org of people who create PmWiki sites for others? Brainstorm of what to include: * size and price (range). Do you prefer small hobby sites or multi-nationals? ** include 1 year domain reg hosting? Hobbiests don't know to ask. * link to own site and portfolio * usual fine print about PmWiki not actually approving any of these desginers. Web Designers, then. Add: * Assistance with placing client's initial content (included? optional?) * Training ** Initial ** Ongoing instruction/advice ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
Friday, March 9, 2007, 3:20:56 PM, Steve wrote: Where that leaves people like me who skin the wiki to match a pre-existing design, I'm not sure Skinning isn't really design, and choosing useful add-ons from the cookbook isn't really development, but maybe something almost but not quite in between? Ah you are a website transformer! Wiki Web Wizards ! Hans ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
Why not set up a page called Solution Providers? People call me a web designer, I do a little bit of graphics, a little bit of PHP hacking, but my real service is consulting and business transformation through internet technologies. So, I could add my info under several headings on the page. We could also list PmWiki-friendly hosting companies as well. If Pm doesn't mind the Profiles pages being used for a little bit of promotion, we could even set up Category pages based on the major skill sets that the group offers... graphic design, PmWiki installation and customization, skin development, custom programming, etc. and anyone wanting to be listed in pagelists generated on each Category page would simply add the appropriate category links to their Profiles page. Russ Jackman Don't risk having your website banned by search engines. Learn what can help - and what can hurt - your search rankings here: http://www.internetadvisor.ca/index.php/Articles/SearchEngineRankings Content Management Systems - e-Commerce - Internet Strategy http://www.InternetAdvisor.ca Hans wrote: Friday, March 9, 2007, 3:20:56 PM, Steve wrote: Where that leaves people like me who skin the wiki to match a pre-existing design, I'm not sure Skinning isn't really design, and choosing useful add-ons from the cookbook isn't really development, but maybe something almost but not quite in between? Ah you are a website transformer! Wiki Web Wizards ! Hans ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users -- Internet Advisor We Build Websites that Build Profits http://www.InternetAdvisor.ca Latest Virus Alerts: http://www.InternetAdvisor.ca/virus.html ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On 3/9/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not set up a page called Solution Providers? People call me a web designer, I do a little bit of graphics, a little bit of PHP hacking, but my real service is consulting and business transformation through internet technologies. So, I could add my info under several headings on the page. We could also list PmWiki-friendly hosting companies as well. If Pm doesn't mind the Profiles pages being used for a little bit of promotion, we could even set up Category pages based on the major skill sets that the group offers... graphic design, PmWiki installation and customization, skin development, custom programming, etc. and anyone wanting to be listed in pagelists generated on each Category page would simply add the appropriate category links to their Profiles page. Great idea! I would love to get some help with skin design and graphic design, as those are not my strong suits. Also, I could probably find a way to offer customized ZAP snippets for custom applications. Other recipe authors could be contacted for custom help with their various scripts. This is in the interest of everybody. Cheers, Dan ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
My main concern is whether it would be appropriate to advertise, on Pm's site, services which may be in competition with his own business. Also, to the fine print, add: PmWiki is open source. You would be paying for expertise, hosting, and the time they spend, not for the actual PmWiki program. Sandy (Who dreams of someday being organized enough to learn enough to offer useful services.) Sandy wrote: Extracts from a hobby newsgroup: A: You put your illustrated story up in Word format. I can't read it. B: Oh, is Word format bad? It's the only way I could think of. B: I'm so excited! I've hired a professional to design my new site! Will I still have to learn HTML to put up my illustrated story? (Her current site a paid Yahoo site.) Anyone else out there biting their tongue? Of course, I wanted to tell her, too late, Contact one of the people on the PmWiki list. Is it worth (or advisable) to have a page on PmWiki.org of people who create PmWiki sites for others? Brainstorm of what to include: * size and price (range). Do you prefer small hobby sites or multi-nationals? ** include 1 year domain reg hosting? Hobbiests don't know to ask. * link to own site and portfolio * usual fine print about PmWiki not actually approving any of these desginers. Sandy ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
Sandy, May I suggest something to add to your template below for those that are earning money directly from PmWiki: * Percentage revenue donated back to PmWiki author (or more realistically a yes/no answer that they donate _something_ for every order) - only fair. If I were to contract someones services who relies on OpenSource software as the core of there business I would select someone with the highest donation after choosing a competent one. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sandy Sent: Fri 09/03/2007 14:41 To: pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com Subject: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki Extracts from a hobby newsgroup: A: You put your illustrated story up in Word format. I can't read it. B: Oh, is Word format bad? It's the only way I could think of. B: I'm so excited! I've hired a professional to design my new site! Will I still have to learn HTML to put up my illustrated story? (Her current site a paid Yahoo site.) Anyone else out there biting their tongue? Of course, I wanted to tell her, too late, Contact one of the people on the PmWiki list. Is it worth (or advisable) to have a page on PmWiki.org of people who create PmWiki sites for others? Brainstorm of what to include: * size and price (range). Do you prefer small hobby sites or multi-nationals? ** include 1 year domain reg hosting? Hobbiests don't know to ask. * link to own site and portfolio * usual fine print about PmWiki not actually approving any of these desginers. Sandy ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] List of Designers for Hire who use PmWiki
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Tegan Dowling wrote: On 3/9/07, Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: page on PmWiki.org of people who create PmWiki sites for others? Brainstorm of what to include: * size and price (range). Do you prefer small hobby sites or multi-nationals? ** include 1 year domain reg hosting? Hobbiests don't know to ask. * link to own site and portfolio * usual fine print about PmWiki not actually approving any of these desginers. Web Designers, then. Add: * Assistance with placing client's initial content (included? optional?) * Training ** Initial ** Ongoing instruction/advice Isn't the term 'administrator' used for the person setting up the wiki? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
