Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Sandy wrote: Whatever you do, make sure that the following words are right near the instructions: pagebreak hardpagebreak hardbreak print Yeah, I know, all these synonyms clutters up the instructions, but it does make using them so much nicer. It's very frustrating to look something up with the only word you can think of, and not find it. Just add them within (:if false:) ... (:ifend:) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N.B. ...or I just missed it, and the right markup is already there in the wiki... The right markup is in the wiki, but I don't remember where. Whenever I need it I search for page break or something like that. It's some wiki style I think? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
Luigi: I was wondering how to force a page break when printing. I could not find a way... ...or I just missed it, and the right markup is already there in the wiki... Christian: The right markup is in the wiki, but I don't remember where. Whenever I need it I search for page break or something like that. It's some wiki style I think? Yes. I missed it, sorry. http://pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/HardPageBreak I insisted in looking for it as a recipe inside the cookbook, or in the markup. Thanks! Luigi ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
Actually, I was surprised to find this here also -- I would've expected it in the cookbook. The average non-technical user, not html/css-savvy, perceives a Hard Page Break as a command you give to the machine, and not a pure style. Be it a GUI button (like M$Word) or a (:markup:) of any %kind%, it is mostly perceived as a command you put into a page which let the printer jump and feed a new sheet of paper (this is literally the explanation that my colleague gave to me, when asked for in a live random test). I personally suggest to move it to (or at least reference it from) a more suitable page. One where dummy users (like me :-) would expect to find it. Luigi P.S. This thread of mines grew on the attempt to convince my little cousin to adopt pmwiki (instead of M$Word) for her university papers. Does anybody have live experience on this? Suggestions, advices, warnings...? ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I was surprised to find this here also -- I would've expected it in the cookbook. Maybe it needs an FAQ? In my mind being able to get a page break is part of the core. P.S. This thread of mines grew on the attempt to convince my little cousin to adopt pmwiki (instead of M$Word) for her university papers. Does anybody have live experience on this? Suggestions, advices, warnings...? I don't think it'd be a good idea - to slow to edit pages that way, and her university will probably have requirements on the formatting. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WikiStyles page. Scientifically correct. Quite counterintuitive, though, for the average editor in search of the pagebreak command. Thumbs down. Hmm... for whom should the documentation in PmWiki/ be designed? We still have the different audiences, so maybe ths information should appear in more than one page? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 04:57:20PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally suggest to move it to (or at least reference it from) a more suitable page. One where dummy users (like me :-) would expect to find it. Where would you expect to find it? That's tricky in that I would answer: among the most used editing commands. That would not do because the markup is not enabled by default. I also don't think it can qualify as among the most used editing commands, because obviously it isn't one of the most used since very few people are actually using or asking for it. Pm ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 05:08:10PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WikiStyles page. Scientifically correct. Quite counterintuitive, though, for the average editor in search of the pagebreak command. Thumbs down. In various circles in which I work, I often employ what I've come to call the veto rule. Essentially the veto rule states that in order to turn down a proposal you have to suggest an alternative. This works really well when trying to get a group of people to decide on something (e.g., a place for lunch), because anyone who doesn't like the current choice has to provide an alternative (which others can then veto if they have still other alternatives). So, if %pagebreak% doesn't belong in WikiStyles, we need an alternative. :-) And yes, it could be documented in multiple places... but that still means we need alternatives. :-) Pm ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
So, if %pagebreak% doesn't belong in WikiStyles, we need an alternative. :-) And yes, it could be documented in multiple places... but that still means we need alternatives. :-) Well, as you suggested it could be technically documented and explained in WikiStyles, in that it is a CSS thing indeed. But still I would keep a prominent reference page in the Cookbook: it seems to me the most natural place where one would go and look for the thing. It's just my thought, of course... Anyway, you said it is a little used feature: do not waste your time with it. Luigi ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Page break when printing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if %pagebreak% doesn't belong in WikiStyles, we need an alternative. :-) And yes, it could be documented in multiple places... but that still means we need alternatives. :-) Well, as you suggested it could be technically documented and explained in WikiStyles, in that it is a CSS thing indeed. But still I would keep a prominent reference page in the Cookbook: it seems to me the most natural place where one would go and look for the thing. It's just my thought, of course... Anyway, you said it is a little used feature: do not waste your time with it. Luigi Whatever you do, make sure that the following words are right near the instructions: pagebreak hardpagebreak hardbreak print Yeah, I know, all these synonyms clutters up the instructions, but it does make using them so much nicer. It's very frustrating to look something up with the only word you can think of, and not find it. Sandy ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
