Re: [political-research] Can the Jewish Model Help the West Survive (Kevin MacDonald)
Are you aware that billionaire Haim Saban just hosted a meeting at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy which included Avigdor Lieberman, who is notorious for his racist views? He is Israel's David Duke -- actually, his racism exceeds that of David Duke. Saban was able to induce some of the most powerful members of the American government, American power elite and Democratic Party to attend the meeting with Lieberman. For the full details, see: http://www.google.com/search?q=haim+saban+avigdor+lieberman So apparently the current value system, as promoted by billionaire oligarchs like Haim Saban who dominate the liberal Democratic Party, asserts that Jewish racism is good and worthy of unlimited sacrifice and support by Americans, but that all other forms of militant ethnocentrism are evil, criminal and should be exterminated. Why are so many leading members of the Democratic Party going along with this bizarre ideology? Probably an instinct for self-preservation. Either go along or else. The Saban/Lieberman alliance should be a huge story in the American mainstream media, but for the most part they are censoring it. It is impossible to discuss this state of affairs in an honest way without doing enormous damage to Israel and the Israel lobby. The American mainstream media are an arm of the Israel lobby. Hence the silence. How much longer will the world go along with this double standard? Not much longer, I would bet. By the way, I doubt that an explosion of European ethnic nationalism is an effective way to deal with the problems that Haim Saban and Avigdor Lieberman pose for Europe and the United States. It's difficult to see much of a future for ethnic nationalism as an organizing principle for human societies. Messianic ethnic nationalist movements have a strong tendency to polarize the entire world against themselves and to self-destruct at this stage of human civilization. Apparently MacDonald wants to answer Lieberman's militant Jewish ethnocentrism with an even more militant European ethnocentrism. Perhaps the more effective policy is to give extremists like Lieberman enough scope to destroy themselves. Sometimes I wonder if this has been covert American strategy at the highest levels since at least the 1950s. Such a strategy would explain many things that are otherwise unexplainable. No person in his right mind wants to be highly conspicuous in American politics on matters of ethnic self-obsession and ethnic militancy. Do you really envy the neocons? Would you want to dig yourself into the hole they are digging themselves into? Are David Horowitz and Alan Dershowitz on a winning trajectory? Ethnic messianists typically lose all touch with the real world. The ideals of the university, which emphasize meritocracy over ethnic affiliation, provide a better model for the future of humankind than squabbling ethnic nationalisms. I savor ethnic diversity -- it is stimulating and creative. What I truly detest, however, is being harassed and bullied by zealots and gangsters from this or that ethnic group -- and in that I am hardly alone. tim_howells_1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacDonald is grappling with the real issues, which are very difficult and painful ones indeed. http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/WestSurvive.htm Excerpts: Can the Jewish Model Help the West Survive? Kevin MacDonald === I just recently learned that the neocon patriarch Leo Strauss was a follower of Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky was deeply ethnocentric, believing that Jews were shaped by their long history as a desert people and that the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state would allow the natural genius of the Jewish race to flourish, stating, for example: These natural and fundamental distinctions embedded in the race are impossible to eradicate, and are continually being nurtured by the differences in soil and climate.7 What is striking is that virtually the entire organized Jewish community in the United States is allied to the Likud party and the settler movement in Israel, whose leaders openly idolize Jabotinsky. As a European in a society that is rapidly becoming non-European, I can sympathize with Jabotinsky's envy of the native Slavic peoples he observed in the early twentieth century. He wrote: I look at them with envy. I have never known, and probably never will know, this completely organic feeling: so united and singular [is this] sense of a homeland, in which everything flows together, the past and the present, the legend and the hopes, the individual and the historical.8Every nation, civilized or primitive, sees its land as its national home, where it wants to stay as the sole landlord forever. Such a nation will never willingly consent to new landlords or even to partnership.9
[political-research] Re: Can the Jewish Model Help the West Survive (Kevin MacDonald)
Sean McBride wrote: By the way, I doubt that an explosion of European ethnic nationalism is an effective way to deal with the problems that Haim Saban and Avigdor Lieberman pose for Europe and the United States. It's difficult to see much of a future for ethnic nationalism as an organizing principle for human societies. Messianic ethnic nationalist movements have a strong tendency to polarize the entire world against themselves and to self-destruct at this stage of human civilization. Apparently MacDonald wants to answer Lieberman's militant Jewish ethnocentrism with an even more militant European ethnocentrism. As MacDonald argues, if you look at the whole history of Jewish separatism, it's very hard to believe that they are going to give up and assimilate, or even moderate their ambitions at this point. It looks like it will either be continued and increasing Jewish domination, or else the Samson option - pretty grim options for our futures either way! As Prof. MacDonald said elsewhere: History also suggests that anti-Jewish reactions develop as Jews increase their control over other peoples. As always, it will be fascinating to observe the dénouement. http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol4no2/km-understandIII.html http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol4no2/km-understandIII.html Sean McBride wrote: Perhaps the more effective policy is to give extremists like Lieberman enough scope to destroy themselves. Sometimes I wonder if this has been covert American strategy at the highest levels since at least the 1950s. Such a strategy would explain many things that are otherwise unexplainable. I doubt that this was ever a coherent strategy. Probably it was more of a comforting thought as we caved in on issue after issue after issue. I don't think that MacDonald's proposal of an elite-supported resurgence of a generalized form of Western European ethnic nationalism is any worse than an uncontrollable explosion of grass-roots antisemitism, which would no doubt be brutally opposed by a corrupt Euro-American elite allied with Zionism. Are you aware that billionaire Haim Saban just hosted a meeting at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy which included Avigdor Lieberman, who is notorious for his racist views? He is Israel's David Duke -- actually, his racism exceeds that of David Duke. Saban was able to induce some of the most powerful members of the American government, American power elite and Democratic Party to attend the meeting with Lieberman. For the full details, see: http://www.google.com/search?q=haim+saban+avigdor+lieberman So apparently the current value system, as promoted by billionaire oligarchs like Haim Saban who dominate the liberal Democratic Party, asserts that Jewish racism is good and worthy of unlimited sacrifice and support by Americans, but that all other forms of militant ethnocentrism are evil, criminal and should be exterminated. Why are so many leading members of the Democratic Party going along with this bizarre ideology? Probably an instinct for self-preservation. Either go along or else. The Saban/Lieberman alliance should be a huge story in the American mainstream media, but for the most part they are censoring it. It is impossible to discuss this state of affairs in an honest way without doing enormous damage to Israel and the Israel lobby. The American mainstream media are an arm of the Israel lobby. Hence the silence. How much longer will the world go along with this double standard? Not much longer, I would bet. By the way, I doubt that an explosion of European ethnic nationalism is an effective way to deal with the problems that Haim Saban and Avigdor Lieberman pose for Europe and the United States. It's difficult to see much of a future for ethnic nationalism as an organizing principle for human societies. Messianic ethnic nationalist movements have a strong tendency to polarize the entire world against themselves and to self-destruct at this stage of human civilization. Apparently MacDonald wants to answer Lieberman's militant Jewish ethnocentrism with an even more militant European ethnocentrism. Perhaps the more effective policy is to give extremists like Lieberman enough scope to destroy themselves. Sometimes I wonder if this has been covert American strategy at the highest levels since at least the 1950s. Such a strategy would explain many things that are otherwise unexplainable. No person in his right mind wants to be highly conspicuous in American politics on matters of ethnic self-obsession and ethnic militancy. Do you really envy the neocons? Would you want to dig yourself into the hole they are digging themselves into? Are David Horowitz and Alan Dershowitz on a winning trajectory? Ethnic messianists typically lose all touch with the real world. The ideals of the university, which emphasize meritocracy over ethnic affiliation, provide a better model for the future of humankind than squabbling ethnic nationalisms. I
Re: [political-research] Re: Can the Jewish Model Help the West Survive (Kevin MacDonald)
European ethnic nationalism made a major play in the 20th century and it was called Nazism -- correct? And that ended not so prettily? I am trying to imagine scenarios in which a European ethnic nationalist movement results in a positive or successful outcome -- I am having no success. What exactly does MacDonald envision? Has he really thought this thing through? If the United States emulated Zionism and Israel in organizing its politics and culture around European-based ethnic nationalist roots, what would be the consequences for American society? Mass violence, mass murder, genocide, anarchy and the destruction of the United States as a world power would be likely outcomes. Wouldn't it be wiser over the long haul to hold on to the universalist and meritocratic ideals of the Enlightenment and the American Founding Fathers? The neocons are going to destroy themselves. Why destroy what is best about American society to go after a group which is bent on self-immolation? tim_howells_1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean McBride wrote: By the way, I doubt that an explosion of European ethnic nationalism is an effective way to deal with the problems that Haim Saban and Avigdor Lieberman pose for Europe and the United States. It's difficult to see much of a future for ethnic nationalism as an organizing principle for human societies. Messianic ethnic nationalist movements have a strong tendency to polarize the entire world against themselves and to self-destruct at this stage of human civilization. Apparently MacDonald wants to answer Lieberman's militant Jewish ethnocentrism with an even more militant European ethnocentrism. As MacDonald argues, if you look at the whole history of Jewish separatism, it's very hard to believe that they are going to give up and assimilate, or even moderate their ambitions at this point. It looks like it will either be continued and increasing Jewish domination, or else the Samson option - pretty grim options for our futures either way! As Prof. MacDonald said elsewhere: History also suggests that anti-Jewish reactions develop as Jews increase their control over other peoples. As always, it will be fascinating to observe the dénouement. http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol4no2/km-understandIII.html Sean McBride wrote: Perhaps the more effective policy is to give extremists like Lieberman enough scope to destroy themselves. Sometimes I wonder if this has been covert American strategy at the highest levels since at least the 1950s. Such a strategy would explain many things that are otherwise unexplainable. I doubt that this was ever a coherent strategy. Probably it was more of a comforting thought as we caved in on issue after issue after issue. I don't think that MacDonald's proposal of an elite-supported resurgence of a generalized form of Western European ethnic nationalism is any worse than an uncontrollable explosion of grass-roots antisemitism, which would no doubt be brutally opposed by a corrupt Euro-American elite allied with Zionism. Are you aware that billionaire Haim Saban just hosted a meeting at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy which included Avigdor Lieberman, who is notorious for his racist views? He is Israel's David Duke -- actually, his racism exceeds that of David Duke. Saban was able to induce some of the most powerful members of the American government, American power elite and Democratic Party to attend the meeting with Lieberman. For the full details, see: http://www.google.com/search?q=haim+saban+avigdor+lieberman So apparently the current value system, as promoted by billionaire oligarchs like Haim Saban who dominate the liberal Democratic Party, asserts that Jewish racism is good and worthy of unlimited sacrifice and support by Americans, but that all other forms of militant ethnocentrism are evil, criminal and should be exterminated. Why are so many leading members of the Democratic Party going along with this bizarre ideology? Probably an instinct for self-preservation. Either go along or else. The Saban/Lieberman alliance should be a huge story in the American mainstream media, but for the most part they are censoring it. It is impossible to discuss this state of affairs in an honest way without doing enormous damage to Israel and the Israel lobby. The American mainstream media are an arm of the Israel lobby. Hence the silence. How much longer will the world go along with this double standard? Not much longer, I would bet. By the way, I doubt that an explosion of European ethnic nationalism is an effective way to deal with the problems that Haim Saban and Avigdor Lieberman pose for Europe and the United States. It's difficult to see much of a future for ethnic nationalism as an organizing principle for human societies. Messianic ethnic nationalist movements have a
[political-research] Is Israel Even Worse Than South Africa?
Xymphora makes that argument here: http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2006/12/no-comparison.html Counterarguments? Are there any? One thing is certain: few Americans were ever attacked, abused and harassed by apologists for the former apartheid regime of South Africa. Representatives of the apartheid regime didn't conspicuously dominate the American political and cultural system, or drive the United States into a self-destructive and disastrous war, like that in Iraq. Which means: Israel has the potential to get itself into much worse trouble with Americans than South Africa ever did. Oh, the irony of it all.
[political-research] On the Protection of the Neocons
Phil Weiss: Wolfe's muddle is the same muddle that Jewish liberals have been in since the Iraq war. They are against the war, but their critique is blunted because they know that devotion to Israel played a part in the thinking of some of the war planners, but they don't want to talk at all about that because they fear it would result in a pogrom. And so they ascribe all the bad stuff to people they don't know and can easily demonize: the Christian right. Or Halliburton. And thereby fail to do their jobs as intellectual leaders, at a time when the country is in a tremendous foreign-policy crisis. Source: http://mondoweiss.observer.com/2006/12/another-jewish-liberal-rationalizes-silence-on-things-that-d.html Comment: If you oppose the war, but don't speak out effectively against those who have engineered the war, and about their motives, values and objectives, don't you in fact passively SUPPORT the war? Yes, you do. Also the term pogrom probably understates what is in the works: the neocons could easily trigger the biggest explosion of anti-Semitism in the history of the world, all around the globe. The best way for the mainstream Jewish community to prevent this outcome is to take a strong, principled and highly visible stand against the neocons. But will it do so? Or will it allow itself to be herded into the neocon ghetto by the divisive scare tactics of the neocons?
[political-research] Neo-con forgery fingerprints in Litvinenko case.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ December 20, 2006 -- There is more evidence that the same neo-con perpetrators who forged the infamous Niger yellowcake uranium documents, documents purporting to link a number of French, Russian, British, and other politicians to UN Oil-for-Food fraud, and other fabrications designed to prove Iraqi possession of weapons of mass destruction were also behind the forgery of a package of e-mails, written in English and claiming to be from a source within the Russian Federal Security Bureau, that the Kremlin had a hit list of opponents to be eliminated through assassination. These included assassinated Russian journalist Anna Politovskaya, poisoned ex-KGB and FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko, right-wing Italian Senator Paolo Guzzanti, Russian-Israeli mob tycoon Boris Berezovsky, and the man who showed Litvinenko the e-mail forgeries, Italian operative Mario Scaramella. The same capitals that were involved in the Iraqi war forgeries are part and parcel of the Russian FSB e-mail forgeries: Rome, Tel Aviv (where the Russian mobsters are primarily based), and London. Neo-con forgery fingerprints in Litvinenko case. Oleg Gordievski, the highest-ranking officer to have ever defected from the KGB, has called Scaramella a pathological liar. There is now clear evidence that the FSB forgeries were intended to create a crisis for the government of President Vladimir :Putin and alienate Russia much in the same way that the neo-cons have used similar forgeries and disinformation to marginalize the reformers and pragmatists in Iran, the government of Syria, and those in the former Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein who tried every approach to avoid a war with the Bush administration. In the world of the neo-cons, one establishes his or her bona fides by creating the most sustainable lies. The neo-cons continue to lie and seek to embroil even greater numbers of U.S. troops into the hell known as the Iraqi Civil War, a war of the neo-cons' making. The State Department has an office responsible for identifying forgeries and disinformation. Instead of concentrating its efforts on the blatant and harmful forgeries from the neo-cons, it attacks this editor and John Perkins, author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. We are both accused by the State Department office of spreading disinformation. Why does the State Department attack Mr. Perkins and myself? The office, itself, is headed by a neo-con, a one-time associate of Jack Abramoff and a shill for the apartheid government of South Africa. Yet additional proof that President Carter's use of the term apartheid in his new book holds a deep historical justification. attachment: forgery.jpg
