Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what is driving Bush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rational strategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Cagan is one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the mass murder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies.] Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: *Debra Cagan*; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief via Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan by Richard on 9/29/07 Something for the weekend? Try this for size. Question: What's the connection between the scary looking man woman weirdo person pictured below, and ... (A) A bunch of British Members of Parliament. ... Things you can do from here: a.. Visit the original item on Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan b.. Subscribe to Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan using Google Reader c.. Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducing your ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and human behavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators on the planet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirely insane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in human psychology in complex ways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan's irrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred for cult outsiders are presently in control of and manipulating the Bush 43 administration and American foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policy realists and rationalists, like James Baker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have been openly and sincerely opposing neocon fanatics like Debra Cagan and Frederick Kagan. By the way, the mainstream media so far are trying to bury this story, which is perfectly predictable -- they are controlled by neocons who share the same agenda as Debra Cagan. Usually they try to hide what they really believe and what they are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on [debra cagan] to see what I am talking about. This should be a screaming front page story in the mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. - Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24PM Subject: [political-research] DebraCagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what is driving Bush43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rational strategiccalculations of the American national interest. Debra Cagan is one of hundredsof interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the massmurder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies.] Sent to you by SeanMcBride via Google Reader: *DebraCagan*; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief via GoogleBlog Search: Debra Cagan by Richard on 9/29/07 Something for the weekend? Try this for size. Question:What's the connection between the scary looking man woman weirdo personpictured below, and ... (A) A bunch of British Members of Parliament.... Things you can do fromhere: Visit the original item on Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan Subscribe to Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favoritesites - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG FreeEdition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date:9/29/2007 9:46 PM
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducing your ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and human behavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators on the planet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirely insane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in human psychology in complex ways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan's irrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred for cult outsiders are presently in control of and manipulating the Bush 43 administration and American foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policy realists and rationalists, like James Baker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have been openly and sincerely opposing neocon fanatics like Debra Cagan and Frederick Kagan. By the way, the mainstream media so far are trying to bury this story, which is perfectly predictable -- they are controlled by neocons who share the same agenda as Debra Cagan. Usually they try to hide what they really believe and what they are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on [debra cagan] to see what I am talking about. This should be a screaming front page story in the mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what is driving Bush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rational strategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Cagan is one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the mass murder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies.] Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: *Debra Cagan*; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief via Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan by Richard on 9/29/07 Something for the weekend? Try this for size. Question: What's the connection between the scary looking man woman weirdo person pictured below, and ... (A) A bunch of British Members of Parliament. ... Things you can do from here: a.. Visit the original item on Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan b.. Subscribe to Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan using Google Reader c.. Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
The world isn't being run by any one group, rational or irrational. It's the scene of a collision of multiple interests and power centers contending for control, with varying mixtures of rationality and irrationality in their respective programs. Presently the most irrational group on the world stage is the neoconservatives, who are skilled in falsely dressing up their ethnocentric and genocidal messianism with the language of universal Enlightenment rationalism. No other group is manipulating them -- certainly not the traditional Anglo power elite. The neocons are much too wealthy and independently powerful to be manipulated effectively by other groups. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS. - Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43PM Subject: Re: [political-research] DebraCagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducingyour ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and humanbehavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators on theplanet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirely insane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in human psychology in complexways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan's irrational cult beliefs andgenocidal hatred for cult outsiders are presently in control of andmanipulating the Bush 43 administration and American foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policy realists and rationalists, like JamesBaker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have been openly and sincerely opposing neoconfanatics like Debra Cagan and Frederick Kagan. By the way, themainstream media so far are trying to bury this story, which is perfectlypredictable -- they are controlled by neocons who share the same agenda asDebra Cagan. Usually they try to hide what they really believe and whatthey are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on[debra cagan] to see what I am talking about. This should be a screamingfront page story in the mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. -Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To:political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject:[political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what is drivingBush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rational strategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Cagan is one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the mass murder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies.] Sent to you by Sean McBride via GoogleReader: *DebraCagan*; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief via GoogleBlog Search: Debra Cagan by Richard on 9/29/07 Something forthe weekend? Try this for size. Question: What's the connection betweenthe scary looking man woman weirdo person pictured below, and ... (A) Abunch of British Members of Parliament. ... Things you can do from here: Visit the original item on Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan Subscribe to Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG FreeEdition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - ReleaseDate: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG FreeEdition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date:9/29/2007 9:46 PM
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
well, lets look at some wealthy and independent oligarchs. khodorkovsky, well it turns out he was just holding those yukos shares for lord rothschild. j. p. morgan, well turns out all that money wasnt exactly his either... here your presupposition is that these irrational cultists are not being controlled. of course you can't prove this, because the way it is framed, you would have to prove a negative. but it doesnt jibe with the fact either, imo. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief The world isn't being run by any one group, rational or irrational. It's the scene of a collision of multiple interests and power centers contending for control, with varying mixtures of rationality and irrationality in their respective programs. Presently the most irrational group on the world stage is the neoconservatives, who are skilled in falsely dressing up their ethnocentric and genocidal messianism with the language of universal Enlightenment rationalism. No other group is manipulating them -- certainly not the traditional Anglo power elite. The neocons are much too wealthy and independently powerful to be manipulated effectively by other groups. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducing your ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and human behavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators on the planet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirely insane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in human psychology in complex ways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan's irrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred for cult outsiders are presently in control of and manipulating the Bush 43 administration and American foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policy realists and rationalists, like James Baker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have been openly and sincerely opposing neocon fanatics like Debra Cagan and Frederick Kagan. By the way, the mainstream media so far are trying to bury this story, which is perfectly predictable -- they are controlled by neocons who share the same agenda as Debra Cagan. Usually they try to hide what they really believe and what they are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on [debra cagan] to see what I am talking about. This should be a screaming front page story in the mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what is driving Bush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rational strategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Cagan is one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the mass murder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies.] Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: *Debra Cagan*; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief via Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan by Richard on 9/29/07 Something for the weekend? Try this for size. Question: What's the connection between the scary looking man woman weirdo person pictured below, and ... (A) A bunch of British Members of Parliament. ... Things you can do from here: a.. Visit the original item on Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan b.. Subscribe to Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan using Google Reader c.. Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
Who is pulling the strings of billionaire neocons like Rupert Murdoch, Marc Rich, Michael Bloomberg, Sheldon Adelson, Mort Zuckerman, Bruce Kovner, Sumner Redstone, Richard Mellon Scaife, etc.? Can you name any names as viable candidates? Please don't tell me George W. Bush -- these neocons are vastly more wealthy and powerful than Bush, and could easily drive him out of office with a snap of their fingers. Bush has been useful to them as an instrument of aggression and violence in the Middle East against the enemies of Israel. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, lets look at some wealthy and independent oligarchs. khodorkovsky, well it turns out he was just holding those yukos shares for lord rothschild. j. p. morgan, well turns out all that money wasnt exactly his either... here your presupposition is that these irrational cultists are not being controlled. of course you can't prove this, because the way it is framed, you would have to prove a negative. but it doesnt jibe with the fact either, imo. - Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:58PM Subject: Re: [political-research] DebraCagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief The world isn't being run by any one group, rational orirrational. It's the scene of a collision of multiple interests andpower centers contending for control, with varying mixtures of rationality andirrationality in their respective programs. Presently the mostirrational group on the world stage is the neoconservatives, who are skilledin falsely dressing up their ethnocentric and genocidal messianism with thelanguage of universal Enlightenment rationalism. No other group ismanipulating them -- certainly not the traditional Anglo power elite. Theneocons are much too wealthy and independently powerful to be manipulatedeffectively by other groups. Vigilius Haufniensis[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS. -Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To:political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43 PM Subject:Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy,Iranian-Hater-In-Chief You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducingyour ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and humanbehavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators onthe planet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirelyinsane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in humanpsychology in complex ways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan'sirrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred for cult outsiders arepresently in control of and manipulating the Bush 43 administration andAmerican foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policyrealists and rationalists, like James Baker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, havebeen openly and sincerely opposing neocon fanatics like Debra Cagan andFrederick Kagan. By the way, the mainstream media so far are tryingto bury this story, which is perfectly predictable -- they are controlledby neocons who share the same agenda as Debra Cagan. Usually theytry to hide what they really believe and what they are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on [debra cagan] to see whatI am talking about. This should be a screaming front page story inthe mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. -Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To:political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject:[political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy,Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what isdriving Bush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rationalstrategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Caganis one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the mass murder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
The Rothschilds and Mikhail Khodorkovsky are members of the same cult -- as are most of the other Russian oligarchs (including Boris Berezovsky and Leonid Nevzlin). American neoconservatives are also members of the same cult. So you haven't made your point by mentioning the Rothschild/Khodorkovsky relationship. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, lets look at some wealthy and independent oligarchs. khodorkovsky, well it turns out he was just holding those yukos shares for lord rothschild. j. p. morgan, well turns out all that money wasnt exactly his either... here your presupposition is that these irrational cultists are not being controlled. of course you can't prove this, because the way it is framed, you would have to prove a negative. but it doesnt jibe with the fact either, imo. - Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:58PM Subject: Re: [political-research] DebraCagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief The world isn't being run by any one group, rational orirrational. It's the scene of a collision of multiple interests andpower centers contending for control, with varying mixtures of rationality andirrationality in their respective programs. Presently the mostirrational group on the world stage is the neoconservatives, who are skilledin falsely dressing up their ethnocentric and genocidal messianism with thelanguage of universal Enlightenment rationalism. No other group ismanipulating them -- certainly not the traditional Anglo power elite. Theneocons are much too wealthy and independently powerful to be manipulatedeffectively by other groups. Vigilius Haufniensis[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS. -Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To:political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43 PM Subject:Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy,Iranian-Hater-In-Chief You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducingyour ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and humanbehavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators onthe planet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirelyinsane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in humanpsychology in complex ways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan'sirrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred for cult outsiders arepresently in control of and manipulating the Bush 43 administration andAmerican foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policyrealists and rationalists, like James Baker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, havebeen openly and sincerely opposing neocon fanatics like Debra Cagan andFrederick Kagan. By the way, the mainstream media so far are tryingto bury this story, which is perfectly predictable -- they are controlledby neocons who share the same agenda as Debra Cagan. Usually theytry to hide what they really believe and what they are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on [debra cagan] to see whatI am talking about. This should be a screaming front page story inthe mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. -Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To:political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject:[political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy,Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what isdriving Bush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rationalstrategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Caganis one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the mass murder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies.] Sent to you by Sean McBride viaGoogle Reader: *DebraCagan*; BushCo's Scary-Hairy
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
well, my theory is that iraq-and now iran are being invaded to support the us dollar as world reserve currency. who does that benefit? i think it benefits the federal reserve. who owns that? the same people for whom oligarchs such as khodorkovsky and morgan were holding money/shares. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief Who is pulling the strings of billionaire neocons like Rupert Murdoch, Marc Rich, Michael Bloomberg, Sheldon Adelson, Mort Zuckerman, Bruce Kovner, Sumner Redstone, Richard Mellon Scaife, etc.? Can you name any names as viable candidates? Please don't tell me George W. Bush -- these neocons are vastly more wealthy and powerful than Bush, and could easily drive him out of office with a snap of their fingers. Bush has been useful to them as an instrument of aggression and violence in the Middle East against the enemies of Israel. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, lets look at some wealthy and independent oligarchs. khodorkovsky, well it turns out he was just holding those yukos shares for lord rothschild. j. p. morgan, well turns out all that money wasnt exactly his either... here your presupposition is that these irrational cultists are not being controlled. of course you can't prove this, because the way it is framed, you would have to prove a negative. but it doesnt jibe with the fact either, imo. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief The world isn't being run by any one group, rational or irrational. It's the scene of a collision of multiple interests and power centers contending for control, with varying mixtures of rationality and irrationality in their respective programs. Presently the most irrational group on the world stage is the neoconservatives, who are skilled in falsely dressing up their ethnocentric and genocidal messianism with the language of universal Enlightenment rationalism. No other group is manipulating them -- certainly not the traditional Anglo power elite. The neocons are much too wealthy and independently powerful to be manipulated effectively by other groups. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducing your ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and human behavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators on the planet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirely insane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in human psychology in complex ways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan's irrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred for cult outsiders are presently in control of and manipulating the Bush 43 administration and American foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policy realists and rationalists, like James Baker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have been openly and sincerely opposing neocon fanatics like Debra Cagan and Frederick Kagan. By the way, the mainstream media so far are trying to bury this story, which is perfectly predictable -- they are controlled by neocons who share the same agenda as Debra Cagan. Usually they try to hide what they really believe and what they are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on [debra cagan] to see what I am talking about. This should be a screaming front page story in the mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what is driving Bush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rational strategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Cagan is one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
To make the case that currency issues are driving the campaign for American military aggression in Iraq, Iran and most of the rest of the Mideast, you need to provide substantial evidence, to name specific names and produce specific compelling documents. Where is the evidence? Currently the most active pro-Iraq/Iran War lobbying group operating in the United States is Freedom's Watch, which profiles out this way: # Freedom's Watch and the Israel lobby 1. Freedom's Watch 9/11 exploitation 2. Freedom's Watch Ari Fleischer 3. Freedom's Watch Ari Fleischer Chabad-Lubavitch 4. Freedom's Watch Ari Fleischer Israel lobby leader 5. Freedom's Watch Ari Fleischer Jewish lobby leader 6. Freedom's Watch Ari Fleischer RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) 7. Freedom's Watch Bradley Blakeman 8. Freedom's Watch Bradley Blakeman Israel lobby leader 9. Freedom's Watch Bradley Blakeman Jewish lobby leader 10. Freedom's Watch Clash of Civilizations 11. Freedom's Watch Ed Snider 12. Freedom's Watch Ed Snider Holocaust lobby leader 13. Freedom's Watch Ed Snider Israel lobby leader 14. Freedom's Watch Ed Snider Jewish lobby leader 15. Freedom's Watch Ed Snider Simon Wiesenthal Center 16. Freedom's Watch Gary Erlbaum 17. Freedom's Watch Gary Erlbaum Israel lobby leader 18. Freedom's Watch Gary Erlbaum Jewish lobby leader 19. Freedom's Watch Global War on Terror 20. Freedom's Watch Iran War 21. Freedom's Watch Iraq War 22. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Ari Fleischer 23. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Bradley Blakeman 24. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Ed Snider 25. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Gary Erlbaum 26. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Matthew Brooks 27. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Mel Sembler 28. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Richard Fox 29. Freedom's Watch Israel lobby leader Sheldon Adelson 30. Freedom's Watch Likud 31. Freedom's Watch Matthew Brooks 32. Freedom's Watch Matthew Brooks Israel lobby leader 33. Freedom's Watch Matthew Brooks Jewish lobby leader 34. Freedom's Watch Matthew Brooks RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) 35. Freedom's Watch Mel Sembler 36. Freedom's Watch Mel Sembler Israel lobby leader 37. Freedom's Watch Mel Sembler Jewish billionaire 38. Freedom's Watch Mel Sembler Jewish lobby leader 39. Freedom's Watch Mel Sembler RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) 40. Freedom's Watch Richard Fox 41. Freedom's Watch Richard Fox Israel lobby leader 42. Freedom's Watch Richard Fox Jewish lobby leader 43. Freedom's Watch Richard Fox Jewish Policy Center 44. Freedom's Watch Richard Fox RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) 45. Freedom's Watch RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) 46. Freedom's Watch RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) Ari Fleischer 47. Freedom's Watch RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) Matthew Brooks 48. Freedom's Watch RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) Mel Sembler 49. Freedom's Watch RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) Richard Fox 50. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson 51. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Adelson Institute for Strategic Studies 52. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Birthright Israel 53. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Forbes billionaire 54. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Holocaust lobby leader 55. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Israel lobby leader 56. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Jewish billionaire 57. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Jewish lobby leader 58. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Las Vegas Sands 59. Freedom's Watch Sheldon Adelson Natan Sharansky 60. Freedom's Watch World War III/IV Which members of Freedom's Watch do you believe are preoccupied with currency issues? And: even if your theory is true, who are the people that you imagine are more wealthy and powerful than the billionaires that we already know about? Can you name them? Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, my theory is that iraq-and now iran are being invaded to support the us dollar as world reserve currency. who does that benefit? i think it benefits the federal reserve. who owns that? the same people for whom oligarchs such as khodorkovsky and morgan were holding money/shares. - Original Message - From:SeanMcBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:31PM Subject: Re: [political-research] DebraCagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief Who is pulling the strings of billionaire neocons like RupertMurdoch, Marc Rich, Michael Bloomberg, Sheldon Adelson, Mort Zuckerman, BruceKovner, Sumner Redstone, Richard Mellon Scaife, etc.? Can you name anynames as viable candidates? Please don't tell me George W. Bush -- theseneocons are vastly more wealthy and powerful than Bush, and could easily drivehim out of office with a snap of their fingers. Bush has been useful tothem
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
have the rothschilds demonstrated cultlike irrationalism? - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief The Rothschilds and Mikhail Khodorkovsky are members of the same cult -- as are most of the other Russian oligarchs (including Boris Berezovsky and Leonid Nevzlin). American neoconservatives are also members of the same cult. So you haven't made your point by mentioning the Rothschild/Khodorkovsky relationship. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, lets look at some wealthy and independent oligarchs. khodorkovsky, well it turns out he was just holding those yukos shares for lord rothschild. j. p. morgan, well turns out all that money wasnt exactly his either... here your presupposition is that these irrational cultists are not being controlled. of course you can't prove this, because the way it is framed, you would have to prove a negative. but it doesnt jibe with the fact either, imo. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief The world isn't being run by any one group, rational or irrational. It's the scene of a collision of multiple interests and power centers contending for control, with varying mixtures of rationality and irrationality in their respective programs. Presently the most irrational group on the world stage is the neoconservatives, who are skilled in falsely dressing up their ethnocentric and genocidal messianism with the language of universal Enlightenment rationalism. No other group is manipulating them -- certainly not the traditional Anglo power elite. The neocons are much too wealthy and independently powerful to be manipulated effectively by other groups. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which is reducing your ability to grasp the deepest springs of world history and human behavior. Many of the most rational and calculating manipulators on the planet are driven by irrational belief systems that are entirely insane. Rationality and irrationality are intermixed in human psychology in complex ways. Zealots who share Debra Cagan's irrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred for cult outsiders are presently in control of and manipulating the Bush 43 administration and American foreign policy. Traditional American foreign policy realists and rationalists, like James Baker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have been openly and sincerely opposing neocon fanatics like Debra Cagan and Frederick Kagan. By the way, the mainstream media so far are trying to bury this story, which is perfectly predictable -- they are controlled by neocons who share the same agenda as Debra Cagan. Usually they try to hide what they really believe and what they are really up to. Compare Google News and Google Blog searches on [debra cagan] to see what I am talking about. This should be a screaming front page story in the mainstream media. Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irrational people are manipulated by people who have more rationality and cold calculus. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief [Neocon Old Testament genocidal racism is what is driving Bush 43 military aggression in the Middle East -- not rational strategic calculations of the American national interest. Debra Cagan is one of hundreds of interchangeable neoconservative haters who are agitating for the mass murder of cult outsiders, and who have heavily infiltrated American government agencies.] Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: *Debra Cagan*; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief via Google Blog Search: Debra Cagan by Richard on 9/29/07 Something for the weekend? Try this for size. Question: What's the connection between the scary looking man woman weirdo
Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy, Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
The Rothschilds have been committed Zionists, militant ethnic nationalists, and
the prime movers behind the movement which we now call neoconservatism, which
in turn is closely allied with Christian Zionism and Christian Armageddonism.
The Rothschilds appear to be emotional patriots when it comes to their ethnic
interests. Their core beliefs are irrational or nonrational. They are supreme
rationalists when it comes to the pursuit of their business and financial
interests.
One of the best books I've read on the Rothschilds is:
.{book; Simon Schama; 1978; Two Rothschilds and the Land of Israel; Knopf}
Have you read it? There can be little doubt about the emotional sincerity of
the Rothschilds with regard to Zionism. Simon Schama is one of our greatest
living historians -- and embodies everything that conspiracy theorists are
lacking.
Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
have the rothschilds demonstrated cultlike irrationalism?
- Original Message -
From:SeanMcBride
To: political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:57PM
Subject: Re: [political-research] DebraCagan; BushCo's Scary-Hairy,
Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
The Rothschilds and Mikhail Khodorkovsky are members of thesame cult -- as
are most of the other Russian oligarchs (including BorisBerezovsky and
Leonid Nevzlin). American neoconservatives are alsomembers of the same
cult. So you haven't made your point by mentioningthe
Rothschild/Khodorkovsky relationship.
Vigilius Haufniensis[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
well, lets look at some wealthy and independent oligarchs.
khodorkovsky, well it turns out he was just holding those yukos shares
for lord rothschild. j. p. morgan, well turns out all that money wasnt
exactly his either...
here your presupposition is that these irrational cultists are not
being controlled. of course you can't prove this, because the way it is
framed, you would have to prove a negative. but it doesnt jibe with the
fact either, imo.
-Original Message -
From:SeanMcBride
To:political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject:Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's
Scary-Hairy,Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
The world isn't being run by any one group, rational orirrational.
It's the scene of a collision of multiple interests andpower centers
contending for control, with varying mixtures of rationalityand
irrationality in their respective programs. Presently the most
irrational group on the world stage is the neoconservatives, who are
skilled in falsely dressing up their ethnocentric and genocidal messianism
with the language of universal Enlightenment rationalism. No other
group is manipulating them -- certainly not the traditional Anglo power
elite. The neocons are much too wealthy and independently powerful to be
manipulated effectively by other groups.
Vigilius Haufniensis[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
irrationality is a weakness. your empirical approach
breaks down when we get to your axioms. one of those axioms is THE
WORLD IS BEING RUN BY IRRATIONAL CULTISTS.
-Original Message -
From:SeanMcBride
To:political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject:Re: [political-research] Debra Cagan; BushCo's
Scary-Hairy,Iranian-Hater-In-Chief
You're still trapped in a false dichotomy which isreducing your
ability to grasp the deepest springs of world historyand human
behavior. Many of the most rational and calculatingmanipulators on
the planet are driven by irrational belief systemsthat are entirely
insane. Rationality and irrationality areintermixed in human
psychology in complex ways. Zealots whoshare Debra Cagan's
irrational cult beliefs and genocidal hatred forcult outsiders are
presently in control of and manipulating the Bush43 administration
and American foreign policy. TraditionalAmerican foreign policy
realists and rationalists, like James Bakerand Zbigniew Brzezinski,
have been openly and sincerely opposingneocon fanatics like Debra
Cagan and Frederick Kagan.
By theway, the mainstream media so far are trying to bury this
story, whichis perfectly predictable -- they are controlled
