Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Zebnick

>in fact getting married in church means nothing and you are not really married 
>until the church files the papers with the state !

Getting married in church pre-dates the government getting involved.
And if you think getting married in church means nothing, I'm thinking
you have divorce in your past.


On Dec 3, 7:58 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a lot of people haven't realized religion has nothing to do with
> marriage either . in fact getting married in church means nothing and
> you are not really married until the church files the papers with the
> state !
>
> On Dec 3, 7:38 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Most don't realize marriage is a contract until they divorce and
> > divide the assets. "What's Love Got to Do With It?"//Children are
> > born. Parents die. Weath shimmies.// The winners are lawyers.
>
> > On Dec 3, 6:32 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > marrage is nothing more or less than a contract between two adults and
> > > the state .
>
> > > On Dec 3, 6:49 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
> > > > recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
> > > > trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
> > > > belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
> > > > from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
> > > > the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
> > > > them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
> > > > for old males. But I am not a male.
>
> > > > On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> > > > > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it 
> > > > > > passed.
>
> > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL 
> > > > > > PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to 
> > > > > > > Sexual
> > > > > > > Policy
> > > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Religious
> > > > > > > Right.
> > > > > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic 
> > > > > > > party
> > > > > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse 
> > > > > > > policy of
> > > > > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > > > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help 
> > > > > > > frame
> > > > > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's 
> > > > > > > victory
> > > > > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious 
> > > > > > > zealots,
> > > > > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the 
> > > > > > > apparatus of
> > > > > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs 
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all 
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > > > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to 
> > > > > > > outlaw
> > > > > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), 
> > > > > > > California
> > > > > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > > > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > > > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either 
> > > > > > > adopting
> > > > > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > > > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal 
> > > > > > > personhood"
> > > > > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > > > > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, 

Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Zebnick

They're not going to let you have sex with children mike, no matter
who's in office.

On Dec 3, 5:37 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> Policyhttp://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> Religious
> Right.
> The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush’s victory
> in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> the culture wars.
>
> The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> religious right’s moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> Arkansas’ Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish “fetal personhood”
> and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama’s broad
> popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> religious right’s culture wars.
>
> * * *
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread jgg1000a

What frightens you about the will of the People REJECTING gay
marriage???

On Dec 3, 6:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what is that  frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > fyi:  I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it passed.
>
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > > Policy
> > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > Religious
> > > Right.
> > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > the culture wars.
>
> > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > religious right's culture wars.
>
> > > * * *
>
> > --
> > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Liberal mike 532

in a lot of ways that is true !

On Dec 3, 8:00 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, we are slaves to the State.
>
> On Dec 3, 6:58 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > a lot of people haven't realized religion has nothing to do with
> > marriage either . in fact getting married in church means nothing and
> > you are not really married until the church files the papers with the
> > state !
>
> > On Dec 3, 7:38 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Most don't realize marriage is a contract until they divorce and
> > > divide the assets. "What's Love Got to Do With It?"//Children are
> > > born. Parents die. Weath shimmies.// The winners are lawyers.
>
> > > On Dec 3, 6:32 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > marrage is nothing more or less than a contract between two adults and
> > > > the state .
>
> > > > On Dec 3, 6:49 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
> > > > > recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
> > > > > trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
> > > > > belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
> > > > > from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
> > > > > the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
> > > > > them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
> > > > > for old males. But I am not a male.
>
> > > > > On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> > > > > > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and 
> > > > > > > it passed.
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL 
> > > > > > > PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to 
> > > > > > > > Sexual
> > > > > > > > Policy
> > > > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > > > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Religious
> > > > > > > > Right.
> > > > > > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic 
> > > > > > > > party
> > > > > > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse 
> > > > > > > > policy of
> > > > > > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the 
> > > > > > > > conservative
> > > > > > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help 
> > > > > > > > frame
> > > > > > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > > > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > > > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's 
> > > > > > > > victory
> > > > > > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > > > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > > > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious 
> > > > > > > > zealots,
> > > > > > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the 
> > > > > > > > apparatus of
> > > > > > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of 
> > > > > > > > programs to
> > > > > > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > > > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > > > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > > > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > > > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > > > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional 
> > > > > > > > elections, the
> > > > > > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all 
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did 
> > > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to 
> > > > > > > > outlaw
> > > > > > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), 
> > > > > > > > California
> > > > > > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as 
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits 
> > > > > > > > co-habiting
> > > > > > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either 
> > > > > > > > adopting
> > > > > > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > > > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South 
> > > > > > > > Dakota
> > > > > > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal 
> > > > > > > > personhood"
> > > > > > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > > > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide

Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread rigsy03

Actually, we are slaves to the State.

On Dec 3, 6:58�am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a lot of people haven't realized religion has nothing to do with
> marriage either . in fact getting married in church means nothing and
> you are not really married until the church files the papers with the
> state !
>
> On Dec 3, 7:38�am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Most don't realize marriage is a contract until they divorce and
> > divide the assets. "What's Love Got to Do With It?"//Children are
> > born. Parents die. Weath shimmies.// The winners are lawyers.
>
> > On Dec 3, 6:32 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > marrage is nothing more or less than a contract between two adults and
> > > the state .
>
> > > On Dec 3, 6:49 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
> > > > recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
> > > > trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
> > > > belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
> > > > from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
> > > > the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
> > > > them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
> > > > for old males. But I am not a male.
>
> > > > On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> > > > > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it 
> > > > > > passed.
>
> > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL 
> > > > > > PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to 
> > > > > > > Sexual
> > > > > > > Policy
> > > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Religious
> > > > > > > Right.
> > > > > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic 
> > > > > > > party
> > > > > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse 
> > > > > > > policy of
> > > > > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > > > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help 
> > > > > > > frame
> > > > > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's 
> > > > > > > victory
> > > > > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious 
> > > > > > > zealots,
> > > > > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the 
> > > > > > > apparatus of
> > > > > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs 
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all 
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > > > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to 
> > > > > > > outlaw
> > > > > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), 
> > > > > > > California
> > > > > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > > > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > > > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either 
> > > > > > > adopting
> > > > > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > > > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal 
> > > > > > > personhood"
> > > > > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > > > > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing 
> > > > > > > economy,
> > > > > > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's 
> > > > > > > broad
> > > > > > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > > > > > The Democratic landslide provides a un

Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Liberal mike 532

a lot of people haven't realized religion has nothing to do with
marriage either . in fact getting married in church means nothing and
you are not really married until the church files the papers with the
state !

On Dec 3, 7:38 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most don't realize marriage is a contract until they divorce and
> divide the assets. "What's Love Got to Do With It?"//Children are
> born. Parents die. Weath shimmies.// The winners are lawyers.
>
> On Dec 3, 6:32 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > marrage is nothing more or less than a contract between two adults and
> > the state .
>
> > On Dec 3, 6:49 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
> > > recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
> > > trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
> > > belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
> > > from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
> > > the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
> > > them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
> > > for old males. But I am not a male.
>
> > > On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> > > > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it 
> > > > > passed.
>
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to 
> > > > > > Sexual
> > > > > > Policy
> > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > > > > Religious
> > > > > > Right.
> > > > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic 
> > > > > > party
> > > > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy 
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help 
> > > > > > frame
> > > > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's 
> > > > > > victory
> > > > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious 
> > > > > > zealots,
> > > > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus 
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to 
> > > > > > outlaw
> > > > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), 
> > > > > > California
> > > > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either 
> > > > > > adopting
> > > > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal 
> > > > > > personhood"
> > > > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > > > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > > > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's 
> > > > > > broad
> > > > > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > > > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > > > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > > > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > > > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > > > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally 

Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread rigsy03

Most don't realize marriage is a contract until they divorce and
divide the assets. "What's Love Got to Do With It?"//Children are
born. Parents die. Weath shimmies.// The winners are lawyers.

On Dec 3, 6:32�am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> marrage is nothing more or less than a contract between two adults and
> the state .
>
> On Dec 3, 6:49�am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
> > recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
> > trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
> > belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
> > from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
> > the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
> > them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
> > for old males. But I am not a male.
>
> > On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> > > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it 
> > > > passed.
>
> > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > > > > Policy
> > > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > > > Religious
> > > > > Right.
> > > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > > > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > > > religious right's culture wars.
>
> > > > > * * *
>
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Liberal mike 532

marrage is nothing more or less than a contract between two adults and
the state .

On Dec 3, 6:49 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
> recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
> trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
> belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
> from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
> the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
> them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
> for old males. But I am not a male.
>
> On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it passed.
>
> > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > > > Policy
> > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > > Religious
> > > > Right.
> > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > > religious right's culture wars.
>
> > > > * * *
>
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Travis
MARRIAGE is 1 man and 1 woman. Period. Nothing else. Civil unions are fine.
And that Arkansas Act had nothing to do with marriage. Same-sex marriage is
illegal in Arkansas by Constitutional Amendment.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> what is that  frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > fyi:  I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it
> passed.
> >
>  > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > > Policy
> > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > Religious
> > > Right.
> > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
> >
> > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
> >
> > > the culture wars.
> >
> > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > > a child or serving as foster parents.
> >
> > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
> >
> > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > religious right's culture wars.
> >
> > > * * *
> >
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread rigsy03

It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
for old males. But I am not a male.

On Dec 3, 5:07�am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what is that �frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> On Dec 3, 5:45�am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > fyi: �I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it passed.
>
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > > Policy
> > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > Religious
> > > Right.
> > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > the culture wars.
>
> > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > religious right's culture wars.
>
> > > * * *
>
> > --
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread mark

they say that if you put a money at a keycoard and let him pound away
eventually he will type something rintelligent.  well just keep
plucking away murky, there is hope for you yet, chimp.

On Dec 3, 6:32 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I say good riddance. Just don't call it marriage.
>
> On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it passed.
>
> > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > > > Policy
> > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > > Religious
> > > > Right.
> > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > > religious right's culture wars.
>
> > > > * * *
>
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread rigsy03

I say good riddance. Just don't call it marriage.

On Dec 3, 5:07�am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what is that �frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
>
> On Dec 3, 5:45�am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > fyi: �I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it passed.
>
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > > Policy
> > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > > Religious
> > > Right.
> > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > the culture wars.
>
> > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > religious right's culture wars.
>
> > > * * *
>
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Liberal mike 532

what is that  frightens you about two gay people getting married ?

On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> fyi:  I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it passed.
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> > Policy
> >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> > Religious
> > Right.
> > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> > working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > the culture wars.
>
> > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > religious right's culture wars.
>
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Re: 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual Policy

2008-12-03 Thread Travis
fyi:  I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it passed.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to Sexual
> Policy
> http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of the
> Religious
> Right.
> The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic party
> presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse policy of
> the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help frame
> a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's victory
> in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious zealots,
> working through the Republican party, took control of the apparatus of
> the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs to
> further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> the culture wars.
>
> The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, the
> religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all but
> absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to outlaw
> gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), California
> (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either adopting
> a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal personhood"
> and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing economy,
> failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's broad
> popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for Congress
> and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the many
> profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming battle
> for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> religious right's culture wars.
>
> * * *
>
>
> >
>


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