Re: Arbitrary Stars (Was: Re: Repost: 50/90)

1999-02-27 Thread vgs399


We journalists  are not in the music business, we're *covering* the
music business. Well, at least that's how the oft-referenced Greg Kot
positioned himself during a panel at lat year's (?) SXSW.

Neal Weiss

A good read between the lines quote, I might add.  I've seen more
journalistic credibility from the small, local music newspapers than I see
in such "acclaimed" journals as Rolling Stone,  Country Music, Guitar, Jazz
Is.
It's as though the journalists/reviewers are starry-eyed "groupies", much in
the tradition of Circus magazine or that old Tiger Beat.
One very good example is Rolling Stone.  Except for Christgau who
occasionally enchants with his bursts of analytical insight,  I'm often left
with complete wonderment as to whether or not the reviewer really liked the
album in question.  They tend to teeter the line of like/dislike and the
innuendo is often that he or she didn't like the album but that they just do
not come out and say so.  I liked RS better when they had the guts to print
a boot to Exile On Main Street.  You just don't see that much anymore in the
way of honest opinion.  I cannot give much credibility to Mr. Kott for
example, who seems to attach a "neutralized barb" to his wiriting and then
happily wanders back into mainstream appeal.  It just gives me the
impression that he doesn't want to make any enemies and at the same time he
cloaks his true feelings.  That is not reviewing and it is not honest.
What I also think is that some time ago some of the critics who became
noteworthy for their insight  strove so valiently to be perceived as
intellectually aesthetic that they over extended their "brilliant"  and
nuanced opinions with the general population to the point that people no
longer  perceived their written perceptions as valid.   A critic in my
honest opinion is writing for the public, not for the recording industry or
the artists.  Did all of this change around the time that Landau abandoned
the credibility ship and joined the country goes pop twaing Or is it
deeper than that? I suspect that it is.
Tera





Re: Arbitrary Stars (Was: Re: Repost: 50/90)

1999-02-27 Thread LindaRay64

In a message dated 2/27/99 3:29:26 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I cannot give much credibility to Mr. Kott for
 example, who seems to attach a "neutralized barb" to his wiriting and then
 happily wanders back into mainstream appeal.  It just gives me the
 impression that he doesn't want to make any enemies and at the same time he
 cloaks his true feelings.  

I'm pretty sure Kot is not one to cloak his true feelings. He puts his
reputation on the line for some offbeat choices.  I respect that.  Also, he's
been good about covering "stuff we like" as long as it's been around.  Seems
to like it, although he did tell me once that he does make a point to include
at least one negative thing in every review in order to insure his
credibility.  That stuck with me as a question mark.  It was in the context of
a sort of off-hand coaching session in front of a loud stage and behind a
couple cold ones, so probably would benefit from elaboration on his part.  

Disclosure:  I don't talk to him much, and only at shows, but he has been
super supportive and helpful to li'l me, with no particular need to be.  I
like that in a person.

Linda



Re: Arbitrary Stars (Was: Re: Repost: 50/90)

1999-02-27 Thread LindaRay64

In a message dated 2/27/99 3:29:26 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 A critic in my
 honest opinion is writing for the public, not for the recording industry or
 the artists.   

Sometimes I think the best criticism is the stuff you write for yourself,
trying to figure out why you feel what you feel and think what you think.  The
rest is consumer advice, not a bad thing in and of itself, in fact useful.  I
see a parallel there with music, kind of.

Linda, still learning



Re: Arbitrary Stars (Was: Re: Repost: 50/90)

1999-02-26 Thread Jeff Weiss

At 09:14 PM 2/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
Howdy,

Jeff Weiss says: According to Grant Alden, writers do not control the
"Star System." Editors make those decisions.

That makes no sense. How does that prevent a reviewer from writing a review
that is accompanied by a star rating that has no relation at all to the text
of the review?


Sadly, it doesn't. Welcome to Corporate rock and roll.

Jeff




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Re: Arbitrary Stars (Was: Re: Repost: 50/90)

1999-02-25 Thread LindaRay64

For the one publication I write for that uses the star system, you can give as
many stars as you want, but the editor reserves the right to change that.
Editors pretty much get to do whatever they want with your stuff, it seems.  I
even had one change my point of view. . .once.  But it wasn't on a review.
And it's true the writer has absolutely nothing to do with the headline.

BTW, speaking of absolutely perfectly ideal editors, I just got the new ish of
No Depression.  How could we not love an aesthetic that puts Hazel Dickens and
Paul Westerberg in the same magazine. . .let alone Steve Earle and Del McCoury
in the same band!

Linda