Re: Line-d@#*@

1999-01-22 Thread Lianne McNeil

At 07:25 PM 1/21/99 -0800, you wrote:
Stuart
who promised the missus he'd start on the taxes tonight

No wonder you're so verbose!  g



Re: Line-d@#*@

1999-01-21 Thread John Wendland

At 09:55 AM 1/21/99 -0800, Lianne wrote:

But it's also true that
men have a hard time learning to dance.  And not only do they have to
learn how to coordinate their own movements, but then they have to
"steer" (lead) the woman, too, and coordinate all her "tricks" (turns)
to the right beat.  It is a pretty complex maneuver.  For some reason
learning to dance comes fairly easily to most women. 

Er, uh, I can attest to that. I went to a cajun dance a couple of weeks ago
and  have never been so awkward at anything in my life. I kept thinking to
myself "how the hell do I manage to play rhythm guitar in a band?" Cheryl
picked it up in about 30 seconds.

-John



Re: Line-d@#*@

1999-01-21 Thread Bob Soron

On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, John confessed:

 Er, uh, I can attest to that. I went to a cajun dance a couple of weeks ago
 and  have never been so awkward at anything in my life. I kept thinking to
 myself "how the hell do I manage to play rhythm guitar in a band?" Cheryl
 picked it up in about 30 seconds.

I had relatively little trouble picking up Cajun dancing a few years ago,
though I got as good as I was ever going to get pretty quickly. (Which
wasn't bad, but wasn't good enough to keep me going, either.) I did have
trouble, however, when I tried to learn swing dancing some time later; the
upper body movements are much the same, but the lower body movements are
very different, and I kept slipping back into the old movements.

My three rules of Cajun dancing: keep bouncing; don't hold on too
tightly; and do what the person next to you is doing, but try not to look
like you're just copying.

Bob



Re: Line-d@#*@

1999-01-21 Thread Terry A. Smith

Yeah, I remember back in my single days, being at a club and getting the
urge to dance, strolling up to a table of gals, and going around the whole
damn table, asking every single one to dance. "No." "No." "No." "No."
"No." "No." And then crawling into my own asshole for the rest of the
evening. Naw, I was usually loaded enough I didn't give a damn, which
explains why I was masochistic enough to keep asking. Then there's the
women that assume you're hitting on them, when, by golly, you  just want
to dance. There was one like that in a small club in New Meadows, Idaho,
around 82, I asked her to dance, she looked at me like I was a cockroach
and said no. So I found someone else, we danced our asses off, and gal No.
1 sheepishly approaches me, and asks ME to dance. Then, of course, I went
and tried to hit on her.

My one big regret: Never learning how to polka dance very well. Now,
that's dancin'. -- Terry Smith



Re: Line-d@#*@

1999-01-21 Thread stuart



Lianne McNeil wrote: .

.

 men have a hard time learning to dance.  And not only do they have to
 learn how to coordinate their own movements, but then they have to
 "steer" (lead) the woman, too, and coordinate all her "tricks" (turns)
 to the right beat.  It is a pretty complex maneuver.  For some reason
 learning to dance comes fairly easily to most women.  So I suppose,
 ideally, it would work better if the roles were reversed, and the woman leads.  But 
that's not how it's done in couple dance.  So my
 interpretation of the situation is that a lot of guys give up, rather
 than look a fool on the dance floor.  And the women get tired of sitting around.

Interesting theorizing here Lianne.  Although I think we have to unpack the 
essentializing about men innately having two left feet and
women being genetically predisposed to grace and elegance on the dance floor.  In fact 
these are socially constructed behaviors and are
first implanted during one ot the more traumatic stages of life: junior high school.  
(Although many childern--boys especially--suffered
square-dance syndrome while in elementary school)  In this period of the first budding 
of noticing that just maybe the other sex doesn't
in fact have cooties, tremendous psychic conflict ensues.  Girls, 
perceiving--correctly-- that boys their own age are still dorks,
retreat to their bedrooms en masse and exchange secret information on how to dance 
that they have gleaned from older sisters, or
watching American Bandstand.  They take on both roles,  in a kind of transgendered 
ambidextrousness.  This sort of behavior eventually
leads to women wearning pants to school (and oh yes, you youngsters out there, there 
was time not so long ago when this was verboten).
Conversely, during this period, boys spend much time playing games or sports, punching 
each other in the arm, and ridiculing each other
when one strays from the pack and actually tries to dance, a skill of course that they 
have not learned, both because it would interfere
with sports or watching the three stooges after school and because the slightest 
movement in this direction would cause a tightening of
the circle as the transgressor would be charged with dorkery.  In this liminal period 
we see the patterns embedded within a milieu of
shifting and uncertain social roles (girls *know* how to lead, but can't, because that 
would upset the proper heirarchy of gender roles
and might lead to girls wearing pants to school and piercing their nose) {for this 
insight, I'm indebted to Hyde and Starr, 1998}  None
of this, it might be added, can lead to boys wearing dresses to school, although the 
secret knowledge of girls "lead"-ership skills
causes them to have horrifying nightmares of appearning in school in just such garb, 
if any garb at all!  The rest of this dismal story
is well known, of course, and needs no elucidation here, except to note that (cf  
L.McNeil, 1999) line dancing is clearly the result.
That, and UHI's leaning on the bar or in the back.



 One thing I admire about the teenagers of today is that dancing seems
 to be an "in" thing with them.  Just a few years ago the dance classes
 my husband and I attended would be mostly people around 40-ish.  Now most
 of the class is teenagers and young 20's (though all ages are there).
 The kids are growing up dancing.  I like that!  (These are ballroom
 dance classes, not country.)  Another thing I admire about the young
 dancers is that they aren't so rigid in their dance roles. Sometimes
 same gender partners will dance together in couple dances.  And some of
 them are trying to learn both the lead and the follow parts.



When my 16 yr old boy was at an urban camp this summer, a bunch of the boys decided to 
go get some beer and drink.  He decided to go to
the dance and dance.  Girls were coming up to him and telling him how cool he was for 
bucking the trend and dancing instead of
drinking.  OH If I had only known then what I know now.  Well, at least daddy dint 
raise no fool

Stuart
who promised the missus he'd start on the taxes tonight