Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Michael Seevogel]

Am 06.09.2015 um 12:21 schrieb Benning, Markus:

Am 2015-09-05 20:43, schrieb Viktor Dukhovni:

What I've not yet checked, is whether Fedora (like Debian) has
started splitting up Postfix into multiple RPMs with optional
databases (LDAP, MySQL, ...) in separate packages, now that Postfix
supports shared library builds, and dynamic maps.  If they have
not, they probably should.

Who's the Fedora Postfix maintainer these days?

Debian Postfix seems to be cycle-starved, any volunteers to take
over and bring it up to date?


@Patrick:
The Fedora Packages are a good base to backport new versions to RHEL.
You can most current SRPMS from their build system at:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=363




If you want to build your own packages for a RHEL/Fedora enviroment then 
I would also suggest to go this way with the Fedora SRC Rpms from the 
koji site.


However, if you don't want to put much effort into building those 
packages I can highly suggest to use the pre-compiled packages from Milo 
Oostergo's Postfix repository which you can find here:


https://www.oostergo.net/node/104
http://repos.oostergo.net/

You will find there packages for EL5, EL6 and EL7, also in the current 
stable version (3.0).



Michael

Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Peter]

On 09/06/2015 02:47 PM, Steve Jenkins wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Viktor Dukhovni
> That's fine. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, or even be contrary. My
> question was sincere as I'm always interested in learning. If there are
> valid reasons why one should completely avoid building Postfix from
> source on RHEL and/or any other platform (aside from voiding RedHat
> service contracts, which I don't care about), I'd love to carefully
> consider those reasons. Perhaps it would change my mind. If the reasons
> are Postfix-specific, then it's possible this list is the right place to
> discuss it.
> 
> But if they're not, and this is John's opinion about compiling ANY
> source code vs. rolling your own, this list is NOT the right place to
> discuss it, and I'll be grateful if John contacted me off-list with his
> thoughts.

There are genuine reasons, but if you want to discuss them then join
#centos on irc.freenode.org and someone will be happy to explain it to you.

The packages in ghettoforge are mine, I highly recommend them as a much
better alternative to compiling your own.


Peter

Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Benning, Markus]

Am 2015-09-05 20:43, schrieb Viktor Dukhovni:

What I've not yet checked, is whether Fedora (like Debian) has
started splitting up Postfix into multiple RPMs with optional
databases (LDAP, MySQL, ...) in separate packages, now that Postfix
supports shared library builds, and dynamic maps.  If they have
not, they probably should.

Who's the Fedora Postfix maintainer these days?

Debian Postfix seems to be cycle-starved, any volunteers to take
over and bring it up to date?


@Patrick:
The Fedora Packages are a good base to backport new versions to RHEL.
You can most current SRPMS from their build system at:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=363

@Viktor:
I also found that the debian packages had no updates for some time
when i tried to build a package with the policy_context patch.

I build an debian package with the latest postfix and my patch:

https://github.com/benningm/postfix/tree/debian

It tested it so far that "it worked for me".
As you mentioned shared libs and dynamicmaps needed adjustments.

I think its best to contact the current maintainer LaMont Jones.
If he is not able to update the package it may be possible futher
improve the updated package and do an non-maintainer upload.


 Markus

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Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Viktor Dukhovni]

On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 06:49:19PM +0200, Alex JOST wrote:

> >What I've not yet checked, is whether Fedora (like Debian) has
> >started splitting up Postfix into multiple RPMs with optional
> >databases (LDAP, MySQL, ...) in separate packages, now that Postfix
> >supports shared library builds, and dynamic maps.  If they have
> >not, they probably should.
> 
> AFAIK the upcoming Fedora 23 will be the first release providing separate
> packages:
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/postfix/changelog/

Excellent.  Thanks!

PACKAGE TREE

postfix
postfix-cdb
postfix-ldap
postfix-mysql
postfix-pcre
postfix-perl-scripts
postfix-pgsql
postfix-sqlite

In the content tree for "postfix" we have:

...
sbin
postalias
postcat
postconf
postdrop
postfix
postkick
postlock
postlog
postmap
postmulti
postqueue
postsuper
sendmail.postfix
smtp-sink
smtp-source

I see "smtp-sink" and "smtp-source", but not "posttls-finger".  If
the maintainer is reading this list, the latter should probably be
included if the former two are.  While these are optional debugging
IIRC Debian now bundles posttls-finger, which can also be useful.

-- 
Viktor.

Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Alex JOST]

Am 05.09.2015 um 20:43 schrieb Viktor Dukhovni:

What I've not yet checked, is whether Fedora (like Debian) has
started splitting up Postfix into multiple RPMs with optional
databases (LDAP, MySQL, ...) in separate packages, now that Postfix
supports shared library builds, and dynamic maps.  If they have
not, they probably should.


AFAIK the upcoming Fedora 23 will be the first release providing 
separate packages:

https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/postfix/changelog/

--
Alex JOST

Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Robert Schetterer]

Am 06.09.2015 um 12:21 schrieb Benning, Markus:
> It tested it so far that "it worked for me".
> As you mentioned shared libs and dynamicmaps needed adjustments.
> 
> I think its best to contact the current maintainer LaMont Jones.
> If he is not able to update the package it may be possible futher
> improve the updated package and do an non-maintainer upload.

Yes, yes, yes Debian/Ubuntu should go Postfix 3.x soon


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Steve Jenkins]

2015-09-05 11:07 GMT-07:00 Patrick Ben Koetter :

> is there anyone who knows a download location of Postfix 3.x packages for
> RedHat/CentOS 7.x?


Hi, Patrick. It's painless to build from source on RHEL 7.x. I keep this
RedHat/CentOS blog post updated for the latest Postfix versions:

http://www.stevejenkins.com/blog/2011/01/building-postfix-on-rhel-centos-from-source/

Just use the pre-built makefiles commands I provide in that article and
you're good to go. You can have Postfix 3.x running on your system in
minutes.

SteveJ

Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Viktor Dukhovni]

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 01:43:12PM -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:

> Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.

What's right for one isn't always what's right for all.

-- 
Viktor.

Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Steffan Cline]

Steve,

Any chance you’d consider making a repo for your builds? Although I know I can 
build from source, I’m a bigger fan of yum and repos.

I can even host it if you’d like.

Thanks,
Steffan Cline
stef...@hldns.com
602-793–0014


From:  <owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org> on behalf of Steve Jenkins
Date:  Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 11:13 AM
To:  postfix users
Subject:  Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

2015-09-05 11:07 GMT-07:00 Patrick Ben Koetter <p...@sys4.de>:
is there anyone who knows a download location of Postfix 3.x packages for
RedHat/CentOS 7.x?

Hi, Patrick. It's painless to build from source on RHEL 7.x. I keep this 
RedHat/CentOS blog post updated for the latest Postfix versions:

http://www.stevejenkins.com/blog/2011/01/building-postfix-on-rhel-centos-from-source/

Just use the pre-built makefiles commands I provide in that article and you're 
good to go. You can have Postfix 3.x running on your system in minutes.

SteveJ

Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 06:43:40PM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:38:23PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> 
> > * Viktor Dukhovni :
> > > On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:55PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > > 
> > > > for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need 
> > > > to work
> > > > around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within 
> > > > minutes.
> > > 
> > > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=postfix
> > > 
> > > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/p/postfix-3.0.2-1.fc24.src.rpm
> > > 
> > > You should probably start with a Fedora source rpm, and tweak/build
> > > that for the legacy platform producing an RPM.
> > 
> > That's exactly what I will do. Thank you!
> 
> What I've not yet checked, is whether Fedora (like Debian) has
> started splitting up Postfix into multiple RPMs with optional
> databases (LDAP, MySQL, ...) in separate packages, now that Postfix
> supports shared library builds, and dynamic maps.  If they have
> not, they probably should.
> 
> Who's the Fedora Postfix maintainer these days?  

jskar...@redhat.com




John

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Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Robert Schetterer]

Am 05.09.2015 um 20:07 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:
> Greetings,
> 
> is there anyone who knows a download location of Postfix 3.x packages for
> RedHat/CentOS 7.x?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> p@rick
> 

Django has it

http://repo.mailserver.guru/7/testing/x86_64/repoview/index.html


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MfG Robert Schetterer

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Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

Steve,

* Steve Jenkins :
> 2015-09-05 11:07 GMT-07:00 Patrick Ben Koetter :
> 
> > is there anyone who knows a download location of Postfix 3.x packages for
> > RedHat/CentOS 7.x?
> 
> 
> Hi, Patrick. It's painless to build from source on RHEL 7.x. I keep this
> RedHat/CentOS blog post updated for the latest Postfix versions:
> 
> http://www.stevejenkins.com/blog/2011/01/building-postfix-on-rhel-centos-from-source/
> 
> Just use the pre-built makefiles commands I provide in that article and
> you're good to go. You can have Postfix 3.x running on your system in
> minutes.

for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need to work
around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within minutes.

Thanks!

p@rick

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Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Viktor Dukhovni]

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:38:23PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:

> * Viktor Dukhovni :
> > On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:55PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > 
> > > for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need to 
> > > work
> > > around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within 
> > > minutes.
> > 
> > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=postfix
> > 
> > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/p/postfix-3.0.2-1.fc24.src.rpm
> > 
> > You should probably start with a Fedora source rpm, and tweak/build
> > that for the legacy platform producing an RPM.
> 
> That's exactly what I will do. Thank you!

What I've not yet checked, is whether Fedora (like Debian) has
started splitting up Postfix into multiple RPMs with optional
databases (LDAP, MySQL, ...) in separate packages, now that Postfix
supports shared library builds, and dynamic maps.  If they have
not, they probably should.

Who's the Fedora Postfix maintainer these days?  

Debian Postfix seems to be cycle-starved, any volunteers to take
over and bring it up to date?

-- 
Viktor.

Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Viktor Dukhovni]

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:55PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:

> for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need to work
> around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within minutes.

http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=postfix

ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/p/postfix-3.0.2-1.fc24.src.rpm

You should probably start with a Fedora source rpm, and tweak/build
that for the legacy platform producing an RPM.

-- 
Viktor.

Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Viktor Dukhovni :
> On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:55PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> 
> > for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need to 
> > work
> > around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within minutes.
> 
> http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=postfix
> 
> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/p/postfix-3.0.2-1.fc24.src.rpm
> 
> You should probably start with a Fedora source rpm, and tweak/build
> that for the legacy platform producing an RPM.

That's exactly what I will do. Thank you!

p@rick

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Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Steve Jenkins]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM, John R. Dennison  wrote:

> Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.


...because ?

Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Steve Jenkins]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Viktor Dukhovni 
wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 04:50:42PM -0700, Steve Jenkins wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM, John R. Dennison 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.
> >
> > ...because ?
>
> We don't need to go there...  Different strokes for different folks.


That's fine. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, or even be contrary. My
question was sincere as I'm always interested in learning. If there are
valid reasons why one should completely avoid building Postfix from source
on RHEL and/or any other platform (aside from voiding RedHat service
contracts, which I don't care about), I'd love to carefully consider those
reasons. Perhaps it would change my mind. If the reasons are
Postfix-specific, then it's possible this list is the right place to
discuss it.

But if they're not, and this is John's opinion about compiling ANY source
code vs. rolling your own, this list is NOT the right place to discuss it,
and I'll be grateful if John contacted me off-list with his thoughts.

SJ

Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[Viktor Dukhovni]

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 04:50:42PM -0700, Steve Jenkins wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
> 
> > Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.
> 
> ...because ?

We don't need to go there...  Different strokes for different folks.

-- 
Viktor.

Re: [Postfix-Users] Re: Postfix 3.x for RedHat/CentOS 7.x

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:38:23PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> * Viktor Dukhovni :
> > On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:55PM +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > 
> > > for the moment I am still searching for RPMs. You're right! If I need to 
> > > work
> > > around the packages, your tutorial will give me what I need within 
> > > minutes.
> > 
> > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=postfix
> > 
> > ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/p/postfix-3.0.2-1.fc24.src.rpm
> > 
> > You should probably start with a Fedora source rpm, and tweak/build
> > that for the legacy platform producing an RPM.
> 
> That's exactly what I will do. Thank you!

Postfix v3 is in the ghettoforge repository and has been for some time.

pkgs.org would have shown these packages available.

http://ghettoforge.org for more information.

PS.

Building from source on RHEL or respins is _never_ the correct answer.





John
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