Re: PB 1400 + USB?

[John Cate]

> Is there a PC card that will allow me to have a USB port on a PB 1400?

No, it's not possible to support USB on a 1400. USB is a 32-bit only
protocol, which means to support USB on a PC Card, the card must be
CardBus-capable.  Unfortunately, the hacks to support CardBus on the 2400,
3400 and 3500 don't work with the 1400.

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Re: Low Level Formatting and PowerBook IDE/ATA hard drives

[John Smith]

> Well, close to no time.  It will still re-initialize the disk.  And
> if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
> HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds.  But it
> won't take anything like the several minutes to hours it can take to
> write zeros to a several gigabyte disk and/or do an LLF to a SCSI
> disk.
> 
> Peace,
> Drew

So why is that not true then? When LLFing an ATA (or any other) drive, it
can take anywhere from 20min to an hour or more. If it is doing nothing at
all, then why does it take so long? It seems stupid if it is writing zero's,
because it does that in the next step, when it says "Writing Zero's"

I just don't understand why, if it is bad/pointless/impossible to LLF an ATA
drive, it is possible to select it, and (aside from this list) not generally
known to damage the drive. If apple knows all this, why is drive setup
(capable of LLF) still included with new Macs, even though they all use ATA
drives? If a customer puts a SCSI disk in a new Mac, then it is via a 3rd
party driver, which presumably can format it's own disk anyway.

Like you, Drew, I don't particularly want to drag this argument out any
further, but it all sounds very old-wives-tale-ish to me... :-)

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Re: Low Level Formatting and PowerBook IDE/ATA hard drives

[Scott Holder]

At 04:29 AM 3/19/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>i even put a PC ide disk in my mac and formatted it to macintosh
>format, does that mean that the IDE structure is the same for mac and
>PC ???
>i quoted myself !
>kenta

IDE is IDE is IDE, whether it's on a Mac, a PC, or an Atari 8-bit. What 
differs is the filesystem format on the disk.

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Re: Low Level Formatting and PowerBook IDE/ATA hard drives

[k]

>  >  >so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no 
>time at all ?
>>>k
>>
>>Well, close to no time.  It will still re-initialize the disk.  And
>>if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
>>HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds.  But it
>>won't take anything like the several minutes to hours it can take to
>>write zeros to a several gigabyte disk and/or do an LLF to a SCSI
>>disk.
>>
>well I checked out the links about that was in some email here - one
>was from a PC site - another strange thing is that I can note quote
>from the internet and paste it to this list, even if I make it the
>same as the rest of the text, that PC site said that you were not
>allowed to low levelformat even a SCSI disk, and the links to the
>drivesetup seem to be older than the ones I have. (9.1)
>kenta

i even put a PC ide disk in my mac and formatted it to macintosh 
format, does that mean that the IDE structure is the same for mac and 
PC ???
i quoted myself !
kenta

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Re: Low Level Formatting and PowerBook IDE/ATA hard drives

[k]

>  >so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no time at all ?
>>k
>
>Well, close to no time.  It will still re-initialize the disk.  And
>if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
>HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds.  But it
>won't take anything like the several minutes to hours it can take to
>write zeros to a several gigabyte disk and/or do an LLF to a SCSI
>disk.
>
well I checked out the links about that was in some email here - one 
was from a PC site - another strange thing is that I can note quote 
from the internet and paste it to this list, even if I make it the 
same as the rest of the text, that PC site said that you were not 
allowed to low levelformat even a SCSI disk, and the links to the 
drivesetup seem to be older than the ones I have. (9.1)
kenta
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Re: Low Level Formatting and PowerBook IDE/ATA hard drives

[Andrew Kershaw]

>so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no time at all ?
>k

Well, close to no time.  It will still re-initialize the disk.  And 
if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from 
HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds.  But it 
won't take anything like the several minutes to hours it can take to 
write zeros to a several gigabyte disk and/or do an LLF to a SCSI 
disk.

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Re: PB 1400 + USB?

[Winston Smith]

On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 06:09  PM, Jason White wrote:

>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:24:49 -0800
>> Subject: PB 1400 + USB?
>
>> Is there a PC card that will allow me to have a USB port on a PB 
>> 1400? I'm
>> planning a trip overseas and need it so that I can connect a SONY 
>> Memory
>> card reader and download photos.
>>
>> Any ideas? Experience?
>>
>>

I was just at Fry's today and saw a CompactFlash PCMCIA adapter.  I 
have a Canon G2, so I may try that also.  I know that doesn't help you 
though.  ;)Never seen a Memory Stick adapter.


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Re: Low Level Formatting and PowerBook IDE/ATA hard drives

[k]

>
>
>Well John, what is actually happening is that the utility is simply writing
>Zero's to the drive. Although it "looks" like it's doing a LLF it's simply
>not possible.
>
>--
>Aloha, Ken

so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no time at all ?
k
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Re: PB 1400 + USB?

[Jason White]

>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:24:49 -0800
>Subject: PB 1400 + USB?

>Is there a PC card that will allow me to have a USB port on a PB 1400? I'm
>planning a trip overseas and need it so that I can connect a SONY Memory
>card reader and download photos.
>
>Any ideas? Experience?
>
Someone already pointed out that USB won't work. Another option may be to 
find a PCMCIA card reader for whatever media your camera uses. I use a 
Compact Flash reader and a 64M CF card as a "RAM disk" in my 5300. 
Perhaps one is available for the media you want to use. IIRC the memory 
stick by Sony could be put in a floppy disk reader, but I don't know if 
that works with Macs?

Hope this helps,




J White

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Re: OK, so why doesn't my MV16/EN work?

[Andrew Kershaw]

>
>
>Includes both the 1.04 installer and the 2.0 beta
>
>Dan K
>

Oh sheesh...  It _would_ make sense to look at Focus's website, wouldn't it?

Sometimes I can be pretty daft.

Thanks for the URL!

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Re: External cdrom drive

[THE ROCK]

I bought one off ebay yesterday and I believe the whole package, including
shipping, was a better deal than the one on swap list. Now that's a first.
Peter.

Bruce Johnson wrote:

> THE ROCK wrote:
> > Ah. My bad.
> > Peter.
> >
> > Bruce Johnson wrote:
> >
> >
> >>THE ROCK wrote:
> >>
> >>>Yes it did need drivers. I have them somewhere in my apartment. I will also
> >>>need an adapter since the CD-ROM's connection cable is 25 pins whereas the
> >>>connection behind my powerbook has 15.
> >>
> >>You need a powerbook SCSI cable...the SCSI connection on your powerbook
> >>is the big square thing with 30 holes. The 15 pin connector is your
> >>external video.
> >>
>
> And a cable exactly like what you need just popped up on the LEM swap
> list...
>
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Re: OK, so why doesn't my MV16/EN work?

[Dan K]

Drew wrote:

>I looked around, and my version 1.0.2 seems quite old!  There's a 
>1.0.4 and a 2.0, at least.  Google, as fantastic as it is, can't seem 
>to find much else, including download locations.
>
>I would love a copy of both, if anyone out here has either version... 
>A disk image of the installer disk would be "eeehxcellent."



Includes both the 1.04 installer and the 2.0 beta

Dan K

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Re: PB 1400 + USB?

[Richard Skipp]

>>> Is there a PC card that will allow me to have a USB port on a PB 1400?
> I'm
>>> planning a trip overseas and need it so that I can connect a SONY Memory
>>> card reader and download photos.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas? Experience?

...for your purposes: just use a PC Card Adapter like this one:
> 
> http://www.semsons.com/pccarmemstic.html
> 
> (This was just a quick search, but there are tons of them out there, just
> google for "Memory Stick PC Card Adapter")
> I've found that these Adapters work better than cables anyways, and you
> preserve camera battery power ...
> 
> HTH, tobias.
> 
 Neat! I didn't know about these. I was reading about Compact Flash card
readers as well at the Low-End Mac site being used as Virtual memory. Can
Sony's memory cards be used in this way as well?

Richard


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Re: PB 1400 + USB?

[Tobias Strohe]

> > Is there a PC card that will allow me to have a USB port on a PB 1400?
I'm
> > planning a trip overseas and need it so that I can connect a SONY Memory
> > card reader and download photos.
> >
> > Any ideas? Experience?
>
> Can't be done, so I have heard.  Think all USB PC cards require Cardbus
with
> the 1400 isn't.

True, but for your purposes: just use a PC Card Adapter like this one:

http://www.semsons.com/pccarmemstic.html

(This was just a quick search, but there are tons of them out there, just
google for "Memory Stick PC Card Adapter")
I've found that these Adapters work better than cables anyways, and you
preserve camera battery power ...

HTH, tobias.


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Re: PB 1400 + USB?

[Malcolm Cornelius]

on 18/03/03 19:24, Richard Skipp at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there a PC card that will allow me to have a USB port on a PB 1400? I'm
> planning a trip overseas and need it so that I can connect a SONY Memory
> card reader and download photos.
> 
> Any ideas? Experience?

Can't be done, so I have heard.  Think all USB PC cards require Cardbus with
the 1400 isn't.

Best wishes

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Re: OK, so why doesn't my MV16/EN work?

[Andrew Kershaw]

>5300cs, OS 8.6, 48 MB RAM, MV16/EN with latest driver

Just out of curiousity, Josh, what is your driver version?

I looked around, and my version 1.0.2 seems quite old!  There's a 
1.0.4 and a 2.0, at least.  Google, as fantastic as it is, can't seem 
to find much else, including download locations.

I would love a copy of both, if anyone out here has either version... 
A disk image of the installer disk would be "eeehxcellent."

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PB 1400 + USB?

[Richard Skipp]

Hi All,

The Question:


Is there a PC card that will allow me to have a USB port on a PB 1400? I'm
planning a trip overseas and need it so that I can connect a SONY Memory
card reader and download photos.

Any ideas? Experience?


Thanks,

Richard


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Re: Low Level Formatting and PowerBook IDE/ATA hard drives

[Harbourmaster]

>Well, all I can say is that Apple has got it wrong. I can, and have,
>low-level formatted my hard drive. Then, when 'initialise' is 
>selected, the program shows
>"Performing Low-Level-Format" for a while (time shown varies, depending on
>size of Hard Drive), then it goes on to zero-all data (if it's selected) and
>finally finishes off, naming the disk etc etc.

Well John, what is actually happening is that the utility is simply writing
Zero's to the drive. Although it "looks" like it's doing a LLF it's simply
not possible.

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