Re: OT - yellowdog on a 3400c

[Manfred]

Hi,

i did install a Debian on a 3400 and a Yellowdog on a Kanga.


You can not boot from CD on the 3400. You must boot with BootX, the
installation kernel and the installation ramdisc. All is included
on the CD.

The latest Yellowdog will probably not work on older Macs like
the 3400. I am in office now, but  i can give more detailed informations
this evening.


On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 09:18:01PM -0400, Brian Mahoney wrote:
> Someone here suggested Yellowdog on a 3400c a couple of weeks ago more 
> or less. Since then I've downloaded the isos and now I'm trying to 
> install it. Could anyone who has done this please email me offlist 
> please? Thanks. Can't seem to figure out how to boot from the CD. Thanks!
> 
> BM
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Re: More on my PB 190cs

[John Perry]

Ge' wrote:
John,
LineFeeds/word processing: I think Caleb's suggestion is good. If you
have Word 5, ...
All I have for the 190 is Claris, but I'll try the RTF idea. 

If you're more on the engineering side, I think you'll love Tex-Edit
Plus. It determines paragraphs intelligently when removing LineFeeds,
but it has tons of other 'text massaging' tools. And you may like its
support for Apple scripting (kind of like DOS batch files, but brought
to Mac OS level, and working also inside programs).
I'll give it a try. 

Disk size: In the Finder, double-click the disk icon to open its 
content window. In the header of that window, you see the disk info, 
e.g.:
10 items   187.8 MB in disk   69 MB available
If you don't see that header, you can activate it in Control 
Panels/Views.
(This is the situation in 7.5.3. Maybe 7.5.5 is slightly different.)
Well, I used 7.5.3 only to get to 7.5.5, so I can't say what 7.5.3 did, 
but with 7.5.5, I'm completely unable to get anything at all into the 
window header (this is what Windows and linux people call the title bar, 
right?).  The Finder View menu has a "size" option, but it only lets me 
use that as a sort key.  I could find nothing else in Finder except "Get 
Info", which gives the bogus (or at least unintelligible) results I've 
already posted. 

You've likely seen the post I just sent regarding my Norton success.  I 
couldn't find anything else that looked appropriate. 

"looking for engineering aids and such": You're already quite
self-sufficient, but why not post your needs here, in some detail?
That's what the list is for!
One of the big things I had in mind when i wrote that was resource files 
-- NIST fundamental constants, conversions, material characteristics, 
etc.  Actually, though, the PDA handles that very nicely. 

One thing I gave up on with my Palm was a good interpreter.  I'm pretty 
sure I can get a working tcl/tk for 7.5.5, and maybe something like 
Matlab or Octave.  Or even Mathcad, if they ever wrote one for the Macs. 

Web browser: We had some discussion about that a few weeks ago; maybe
check the archive for those posts. I think the main tips were iCab and
Opera 5. But if you need good 'html 4.0 rendering and current
javascript', I think the 190 won't do...
I've downloaded iCab, but not opened it yet.  And the point of the html 
4.0 and javascript comment was not that I have an identified immediate 
need; it was that there are legitimate reasons for being up to date, or 
at least not so far behind. 

Acrobat Reader: If I remember correctly, I'm using version 4 on my PB, 
which is much more compatible than v.3 because they didn't add many 
features after that.
Well, 3.0 is working for me now: the Apple documents about the 190 come 
out very well.  When I went to Adobe and clicked on Mac OS7.5.5, their 
valid selection was 3.0. 

Ethernet: Right, you can't switch to Ethernet as long as you don't have
it. That's the Mac way of doing things.
Which seems to mean I can't do anything with Open Transport until I get 
a card, including updating it.  But then I don't really need to until 
then, do I?

You know, this list is just as well-behaved as the comp.lang.tcl 
newsgroup.  It's a pleasure to beg you guys for help :-).

jp
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Re: More on my PB 190cs

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Software update:  Acrobat Reader 3.0, ResEdit 2.1.3 seem to work 
fine, although I still don't know how to use ResEdit.

__
go to resexcellence.com  They have a lot of cool desktop tweaks to 
impress your Mac using but scared friends and tutorials to show how.

Just remember to always modify a copy of the program part. Not your 
only copy unless you have an install disk handy in case of a flub.

I haven't done much with is lately but still open Eudoa lite to a 
splash screen of  major Babe Mila Jovavich's ( chick from "The Fifth 
Element" one of my SciFi faves)  Luscious Lips !

And you don't need ResEdit to use their great icons.
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Re: More on my PB 190cs

[John Perry]

Fluxstringer wrote:
If it had been a bits vs bytes issue, there would be an 8X 
difference.  Since there's only a 5% or so issue, I don't know what 
the differences mean, and haven't found any enlightenment in Apple or 
the web yet.

jp
_
ASP in OS 9 doesn't report it like that. So I don't know what'd 
happening.

I assume your  HD is  a sub 500 MB. I guesss the difference is in the 
math of the ASP for your OS.  Or maybe there is some discrepency 
caused by headers or fragmentation..

What do other HD utilities report?
Finally found Norton Disk Doctor, which reports:
Mac HD  324MB on disk, 189MB available
(Compact Flash)  238MB on disk, 8MB available
So now my Mac HD shows 513 MB, the CF shows 246MB.  Much closer to what 
I expected. 

Software update:  Acrobat Reader 3.0, ResEdit 2.1.3 seem to work fine, 
although I still don't know how to use ResEdit.

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Cheap wifi card 802.11b

[Fluxstringer]

I have been looking for a cheap wifi for my 1400.
I just snagged a Lucent Orinoco Silver for Mac from eBay for $ 10.00 
They have been going for $ 20 or more. The downside is the seller 
only ships by UPS ground. Much cheaper by mail but I am still saving. 
have not seen any cheaper.

The seller has more of these. I am not getting anything for telling 
this list . I just thought I would inform listers as these seem to 
bee in demand.

The page I referred to the other day says the silvers can be flashed 
to Gold specs.

If you are interested email off list and I will send info
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Re: 3400c hard drive ?

[Fluxstringer]

Problem has been avoided, more or less. I switched back to the 2 gig
drive that came with the 3400c and still had 9.1 on it. The 5 gig went
to my Toshiba temporarily, as the drive just snaps in and out of it
without a huge overhaul, and I loaded Mandrake 9.x on it. I wanted to
get linux on the 3400c but that didn't seem to be working out. Now I'm
on linux in gmail on a darkside (more or less) laptop replying to a
powerbook problem which isn't really a problem any longer.
Still don't know what was wrong with the 5 gig under 8.5 but the 2 gig
runs fine now. Thanks for the help, crew.
(Is a pc still on the darkside if it runs Linux??)
BM

I have a friend who has run Linux for a decade along with other OSes. 
And I get the  message there are always problems with it. I don't 
blame the hardware  as being on the darkside as several fine OSes can 
un on it.  Only the soul less Macroscoff products qualify in my book 
yet I must use them sometimes too.

And Office for Mac works pretty well.Gotta admit. IE I hate on Macs 
though never worked for me.

Just don't mention the platform and only the line feeds will give you away !
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Re: 3400c hard drive ?

[Fluxstringer]

Fluxstringer wrote:
Recently, I took a 5 gig drive from a Toshiba laptop and put it
into one of my 3400c laptops. Now I'm trying to load 8.5 but after
initialization, the OS installation stops about halfway through
with the note that the new hard drive can't be used. Then I verify
it and the message is : Test done. Problems were found but Disk
First Aid cannot repair them. Problem : Keys out of order, 4, 17.
This is with both standard and extended formats and with one or
multiple partitions. Any thoughts?
I've copied the System Folder to the drive and tried to boot but
that won't work. Should it? Or should I copy the whole CD and then
try to boot. I'm wondering if there is some boot info on the old
drive which wasn't formatted before the switch from windows. Is
there another utility to use?
Thanks!
__
I forget, was OS 8.5 able to format a drive that "big "?  Could you
try formatting with OS 9 ?
Thanks but the problem is, I can't boot from OS 9. That's the OS I
want to end up with but I have to go through OS 8.5 first, then
upgrade. Shouldn't be any reason why I can't boot from 9.1 but I
can't.
BM
••   ••  ••
H .  .  .  .  ???
You cannot use an OS 9 upgrade disk to install ontop of OS 8,5.  You
need  to have an OS 9  disk to install 9 at all  ( or a 9.1 install
disk)
That's the way it is.
You can upgrade to 8.6 as a free download if 8.5 is installed.
Your OS 9 disk may be one that expects to see a G3 or better. I have
a PB disk that does this.  An iMac gray disk solved the problem. It
installs to any PPC Mac or better I believe.
otherworldcomputing.com sells OS disks as cheap as anyone. And used
cheaper yet on the swap list ( if they are accepting new
subscriptions yet. )
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Re: 3400c hard drive ?

[Brian Mahoney]

Problem has been avoided, more or less. I switched back to the 2 gig
drive that came with the 3400c and still had 9.1 on it. The 5 gig went
to my Toshiba temporarily, as the drive just snaps in and out of it
without a huge overhaul, and I loaded Mandrake 9.x on it. I wanted to
get linux on the 3400c but that didn't seem to be working out. Now I'm
on linux in gmail on a darkside (more or less) laptop replying to a
powerbook problem which isn't really a problem any longer.
Still don't know what was wrong with the 5 gig under 8.5 but the 2 gig
runs fine now. Thanks for the help, crew.
(Is a pc still on the darkside if it runs Linux??)

BM


On 5/1/05, Brian Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fluxstringer wrote:
> 
> >> Recently, I took a 5 gig drive from a Toshiba laptop and put it into 
> >> one of my 3400c laptops. Now I'm trying to load 8.5 but after 
> >> initialization, the OS installation stops about halfway through with 
> >> the note that the new hard drive can't be used. Then I verify it and 
> >> the message is : Test done. Problems were found but Disk First Aid 
> >> cannot repair them. Problem : Keys out of order, 4, 17.
> >> This is with both standard and extended formats and with one or 
> >> multiple partitions. Any thoughts?
> >> I've copied the System Folder to the drive and tried to boot but that 
> >> won't work. Should it? Or should I copy the whole CD and then try to 
> >> boot. I'm wondering if there is some boot info on the old drive which 
> >> wasn't formatted before the switch from windows. Is there another 
> >> utility to use?
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> > __
> >
> > I forget, was OS 8.5 able to format a drive that "big "?  Could you 
> > try formatting with OS 9 ?
> 
> Thanks but the problem is, I can't boot from OS 9. That's the OS I want 
> to end up with but I have to go through OS 8.5 first, then upgrade. 
> Shouldn't be any reason why I can't boot from 9.1 but I can't.
> 
> BM
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Re: 3400c hard drive ?

[Brian Mahoney]

Fluxstringer wrote:
Recently, I took a 5 gig drive from a Toshiba laptop and put it into 
one of my 3400c laptops. Now I'm trying to load 8.5 but after 
initialization, the OS installation stops about halfway through with 
the note that the new hard drive can't be used. Then I verify it and 
the message is : Test done. Problems were found but Disk First Aid 
cannot repair them. Problem : Keys out of order, 4, 17.
This is with both standard and extended formats and with one or 
multiple partitions. Any thoughts?
I've copied the System Folder to the drive and tried to boot but that 
won't work. Should it? Or should I copy the whole CD and then try to 
boot. I'm wondering if there is some boot info on the old drive which 
wasn't formatted before the switch from windows. Is there another 
utility to use?
Thanks!

__
I forget, was OS 8.5 able to format a drive that "big "?  Could you 
try formatting with OS 9 ?
Thanks but the problem is, I can't boot from OS 9. That's the OS I want 
to end up with but I have to go through OS 8.5 first, then upgrade. 
Shouldn't be any reason why I can't boot from 9.1 but I can't.

BM
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Re: 3400c hard drive ?

[Dan Palka]

I've formatted 40gb drives with OS 7.6.1
Macs shipped with larger than 5gb drives in the Mac OS 8.5 era.
On May 1, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Fluxstringer wrote:
I forget, was OS 8.5 able to format a drive that "big "?  Could you 
try formatting with OS 9 ?

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Re: 3400c hard drive ?

[Fluxstringer]

Recently, I took a 5 gig drive from a Toshiba laptop and put it into 
one of my 3400c laptops. Now I'm trying to load 8.5 but after 
initialization, the OS installation stops about halfway through with 
the note that the new hard drive can't be used. Then I verify it and 
the message is : Test done. Problems were found but Disk First Aid 
cannot repair them. Problem : Keys out of order, 4, 17.
This is with both standard and extended formats and with one or 
multiple partitions. Any thoughts?
I've copied the System Folder to the drive and tried to boot but 
that won't work. Should it? Or should I copy the whole CD and then 
try to boot. I'm wondering if there is some boot info on the old 
drive which wasn't formatted before the switch from windows. Is 
there another utility to use?
Thanks!

__
I forget, was OS 8.5 able to format a drive that "big "?  Could you 
try formatting with OS 9 ?
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Re: 3400c hard drive ?

[Jared Noska]

The drive may be going bad. I know that's not a positive way to put it, 
but it could be just a bad drive. You really should stick with a drive 
that came from a Mac when possible. It saves a lot of hassles in the 
long run, or so I've heard.


I've copied the System Folder to the drive and tried to boot but that 
won't work. Should it? Or should I copy the whole CD and then try to 
boot. I'm wondering if there is some boot info on the old drive which 
wasn't formatted before the switch from windows. Is there another 
utility to use?

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3400c hard drive ?

[Brian Mahoney]

Recently, I took a 5 gig drive from a Toshiba laptop and put it into one 
of my 3400c laptops. Now I'm trying to load 8.5 but after 
initialization, the OS installation stops about halfway through with the 
note that the new hard drive can't be used. Then I verify it and the 
message is : Test done. Problems were found but Disk First Aid cannot 
repair them. Problem : Keys out of order, 4, 17.
This is with both standard and extended formats and with one or multiple 
partitions. Any thoughts?
I've copied the System Folder to the drive and tried to boot but that 
won't work. Should it? Or should I copy the whole CD and then try to 
boot. I'm wondering if there is some boot info on the old drive which 
wasn't formatted before the switch from windows. Is there another 
utility to use?
Thanks!

BM
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