180c screen problem
OK I managed to patch together a whole Powerbook 180c from 2 units. When I switch it on using the button at the back I get the gray screen and a bong and, after it's tested all the RAM it loads. The trouble is the grey screen stays up and I get no Mac OS on the screen at all. The brightness control works ok (which I believe is controlled by the computer not directly?) and the screen is working fine as an LCD should (so the backlight is OK, and the screen seems to be communicating with the rest of the 'Mac' part. Upon attaching the Powerbook to a monitor via the external video port, i get exactly the same thing in glorious 17 VGA. The hard disk (512MB IBM SCSI 2.5) has 7.5.3 on it, likely from a much later Powerbook. I can't get it to boot from a 7.6 CD (I don't know if it even recognises the CD drive!). So is it the software? Or the Daughterboard? Or the LCD (doubtful!!) or am I being stupid? BTW I am pretty new to this game and am bound to be subjecting everyone to a fair amount of torture as I have a 5300 PB waiting in the wings for some serious work... -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 180c screen problem
OK Major Weirdsville! I disconnected the hard disk and got it to boot the 7.6 CD but it doesn't do any better than the hard disk , apart from 1 thing! It loads the desktop pattern for the 7.6 CD Install on the backdrop. Still no Mac OS Finder, Menu Bar or other parts. This is all on an external monitor, indicating it almost certainly is not the LCD at fault (I have tried 2 working ones of those too). I have tried 2 daughter boards from the 2 180c (and diagnosed that the dead one most likely has a dead power system or a dead main board). The only thing I do know is it is struggling for power from the AC adapter (the battery is pretty much dead - it held a day's worth of charging for about 10 mins before, I assume, the OS said the battery was flat at boot and on pressing enter it shut off). I am running it with the LCD and interconnect/kb/trackball part removed at the moment to reduce power consumption. With the LCD attached it doesn't like trying to eject floppies. On Dec 23, 2003, at 06:46 pm, Mark Benson wrote: OK I managed to patch together a whole Powerbook 180c from 2 units. When I switch it on using the button at the back I get the gray screen and a bong and, after it's tested all the RAM it loads. The trouble is the grey screen stays up and I get no Mac OS on the screen at all. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 180c screen problem
On Dec 23, 2003, at 08:04 pm, Mark Benson wrote: OK Major Weirdsville! I disconnected the hard disk and got it to boot the 7.6 CD but it doesn't do any better than the hard disk , apart from 1 thing! It loads the desktop pattern for the 7.6 CD Install on the backdrop. Still no Mac OS Finder, Menu Bar or other parts. This is all on an external monitor, indicating it almost certainly is not the LCD at fault (I have tried 2 working ones of those too). Sorry to keep whittling on (I fee like I'm talking to myself here :( ) but i just need to add - the 7.6 CD install desktop pattern does NOT come up when using the LCD, although the Powerbook still boots successfully. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 180c screen problem
Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no Mac OS Finder, Menu Bar or other parts. This is all on an external monitor, indicating it almost certainly is not the LCD at Your's is an interesting problem for me because a friend with a 180c also had a very similar symptom (IIRC, it's been awhile now...) and AFAIK never figured out the cause eventually shelving the cursed thing. Of course since he didn't have an adapter for the external video his troubleshooting capabilities are a bit handicapped. What it _really_really_ sounds like is the menu bar is located on another screen (?!?!?) which can't be seen. What happens if you move the mouse all around, does the cursor ever appear? I'm assuming you are familiar with the extended desktop mode of which your PB is capable. Did you zap the pram BTW? If not, do so by holding down cmd-opt-P-R right after the startup tones. Have you started up with extensions disabled (holding down shift key?) BTW, you _can_ startup with the HD attached and still boot from the CD, hold down cmd-opt-shft-delete to suppress the internal HD's desire to take over the boot process and release once the CD has begun to boot. Also, you mention power issues, is the main battery installed during your testing? If so, take it out as a dead/dying battery can be a major power sucker even if the dang thing ain't holding a charge. You should be using the 3 amp PS . . . from your description though it doesn't sound like that's the one you have. Dan K . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 180c screen problem
On Dec 23, 2003, at 10:29 pm, Dan K wrote: Your's is an interesting problem for me because a friend with a 180c also had a very similar symptom (IIRC, it's been awhile now...) and AFAIK never figured out the cause eventually shelving the cursed thing. Of course since he didn't have an adapter for the external video his troubleshooting capabilities are a bit handicapped. I do. I find it invaluable, especially for 5300 PBs with no LCD ;-) What it _really_really_ sounds like is the menu bar is located on another screen (?!?!?) which can't be seen. What happens if you move the mouse all around, does the cursor ever appear? I'm assuming you are familiar with the extended desktop mode of which your PB is capable. It's not on the external screen and at the same time nothing shows on the internal screen. Did you zap the pram BTW? I reset the PMU. I thought that was a pretty sure fire way of doing it If not, do so by holding down cmd-opt-P-R right after the startup tones. Have you started up with extensions disabled (holding down shift key?) Didn't try that either - I must be getting rusty ;-) BTW, you _can_ startup with the HD attached and still boot from the CD, hold down cmd-opt-shft-delete to suppress the internal HD's desire to take over the boot process and release once the CD has begun to boot. I guessed that after I played with my 5300 PB and it didn't like 'C' either. Also, you mention power issues, is the main battery installed during your testing? If so, take it out as a dead/dying battery can be a major power sucker even if the dang thing ain't holding a charge. You should be using the 3 amp PS . . . from your description though it doesn't sound like that's the one you have. I have the weedy 2A and yes the battery was in, it didn't work well at all with it out (funnily!) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
180c Screen?
Could I somehow use the screen of my broken 180c Powerbook for my Q630? Thanks! Don :^) Burlington WA -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 180c Screen?
At 4:26 PM -0800 6/27/02, Don Beck wrote: Could I somehow use the screen of my broken 180c Powerbook for my Q630? Why not get a 180c or a 165c with a broken display, and create a good one? I don't think the other thing is workable. Paul -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 180c Screen?
At 4:26 PM -0800 6/27/02, Don Beck wrote: Could I somehow use the screen of my broken 180c Powerbook for my Q630? Why not get a 180c or a 165c with a broken display, and create a good one? Because I'm wanting an economical flat panel monitor for a Q630. Have limited depth at my work station. My neck is complaining that 45 degrees to the right has to go. Don :^) -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
