Re: 190/5300 displays

[ACFX44501]

In a message dated 9/22/03 5:27:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I think the 190/190cs only has the one possible mobo? >>

Most likely.

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Re: 190/5300 displays

[Josh Watson]

> Er, sorta.  There's at least 3 different 5300 motherboards.  One has
> 8MB of RAM and 512kB of VRAM, one has 8MB of RAM and 1MB of VRAM, and
> one has 16MB of RAM and 1MB of VRAM (this one is usually 117MHz).

I think there may be four or more. My 5300cs has 16Mb of RAM onboard and i
think it only has 512K VRAM - it couldn't drive a 5300c screen at
640x480x16, only 640x400x16.

I'm very sure the B&W board is the same as the cs one, too.

I think the 190/190cs only has the one possible mobo?

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Re: 190/5300 displays

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In a message dated 9/22/03 12:30:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
How can you tell which one you have?
>>

Look at the top, look at the bottom.

The lowest of the low (5300cs ?) have no chips on the top surface, one large 
chip on the bottom and four small chips on the bottom.

The biggest and the best (the 5300ce, for sure) has one large chip on the 
bottom and four small chips on the bottom and one large chip on the top and four 
small chips on the top.

The intermediate models have one large chip on the bottom and four small 
chips on the bottom and four small chips on the top, IIRC.

I've taken apart more 190s and 5300s than I care to think about.

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Re: 190/5300 displays

[J Sand]

How can you tell which one you have?



Er, sorta.  There's at least 3 different 5300 motherboards.  One has 8MB of 
RAM and 512kB of VRAM, one has 8MB of RAM and 1MB of VRAM, and one has 16MB 
of RAM and 1MB of VRAM (this one is usually 117MHz).
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Re: 190/5300 displays

[Andrew Kershaw]

I believe there are two color 5300 logic boards ... one supports a TFT with
640x480 (5300c), or less, while the other supports 800x600 (5300ce).
Er, sorta.  There's at least 3 different 5300 motherboards.  One has 
8MB of RAM and 512kB of VRAM, one has 8MB of RAM and 1MB of VRAM, and 
one has 16MB of RAM and 1MB of VRAM (this one is usually 117MHz). 
That means that there are three different boards capable of 
displaying color, one of which can only do 256 colors at 640x480 
(16bit at 640x400).  The other two can both do thousands (16bit) 
color at either 640x480 or 800x600, depending on which screen is 
installed.

There are VRAM chips on both sides of the logic board, and the 5300ce has all
locations stuffed.
As a matter of fact, there are places on the logic board for four small RAM
chips and one large RAM chip on the bottom and also on top, and the various
models of machines have different combinations of small and large chips,
Right.  There are pads for 8MB of RAM on top, 8MB on the bottom and 
512kB of VRAM on top, 512kB of VRAM on the bottom.  They usually get 
filled from the bottom up.

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Re: 190/5300 displays

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In a message dated 9/20/03 11:18:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
However (IIRC) only a 5300 logic board with 1MB vram can use a TFT 
display. Hmmm, _do_ I recall that correctly? Anyone, anyone . . . ?
>>

I believe there are two color 5300 logic boards ... one supports a TFT with 
640x480 (5300c), or less, while the other supports 800x600 (5300ce).

There are VRAM chips on both sides of the logic board, and the 5300ce has all 
locations stuffed.

As a matter of fact, there are places on the logic board for four small RAM 
chips and one large RAM chip on the bottom and also on top, and the various 
models of machines have different combinations of small and large chips, with the 
5300ce having all possible locations stuffed.

The ROM chips remain the same across all models.



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Re: 190/5300 displays

[vicki]

on 9/21/03 12:48 PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> he can plug a different display into whatever
>> logic board he has. All PBs 190/5300 have the same logic board connector,
>> so while each different LCD type's cable is unique, all cables share the
>> same type logic-board-end connector.
> 
> Yes! I tried and realized that **any** 5300 can use **any** display.
> 
> Now the problem is:
> 
> I have a non working (bad logic board) 19 and a
> working 5300ce whose screen does not work (I can
> only use the external monitor).
> 
> Since the screen appears to be ok I wanted to try
> to put the 5300ce screen and its logic board into
> the 190.
> 
> So the question is:
> 
> can I use the 190 display cable? If not where can I find one?
> 
> Thanks, guys!
> 
> Ben
> 
> PS. What about the the PB 100 list? I cannot get to re-subscribe.
> 


Hi ben give me a mail off list as i have the exact same problem and i will
tell you what you need to do.

The 5300ce screen will not work in the 190

vicki


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Re: 190/5300 displays

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

 he can plug a different display into whatever
logic board he has. All PBs 190/5300 have the same logic board connector,
so while each different LCD type's cable is unique, all cables share the
same type logic-board-end connector.
Yes! I tried and realized that **any** 5300 can use **any** display.

Now the problem is:

I have a non working (bad logic board) 19 and a 
working 5300ce whose screen does not work (I can 
only use the external monitor).

Since the screen appears to be ok I wanted to try 
to put the 5300ce screen and its logic board into 
the 190.

So the question is:

can I use the 190 display cable? If not where can I find one?

Thanks, guys!

Ben

PS. What about the the PB 100 list? I cannot get to re-subscribe.

I'm positive that any 190/5300 can use a B/W or color passive display.

However (IIRC) only a 5300 logic board with 1MB vram can use a TFT
display. Hmmm, _do_ I recall that correctly? Anyone, anyone . . . ?
Dan K

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Re: 190/5300 displays

[Dan K]

Beniamino Cenci Goga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As I learnt that the screens are interchangeable
>between 190/5300 gray, color, acive or passive
>matrix, now I would like to see whether I can
>replace a dead TFT 5300 screen with a new one.
>
>The problem is that the only good case I have is a PB 190 one.
>
>The cable that connects the LCD to the logic
>board is the same for B/W and color 190/5300 displays?
>
then Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:
>Don't think so - Apple list different part numbers for them.

Very true that each LCD type uses a specific cable, but I'm gonna guess 
that Beniamino asks if he can plug a different display into whatever 
logic board he has. All PBs 190/5300 have the same logic board connector, 
so while each different LCD type's cable is unique, all cables share the 
same type logic-board-end connector.

I'm positive that any 190/5300 can use a B/W or color passive display.

However (IIRC) only a 5300 logic board with 1MB vram can use a TFT 
display. Hmmm, _do_ I recall that correctly? Anyone, anyone . . . ?

Dan K


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Re: 190/5300 displays

[Malcolm Cornelius]

on 20/09/03 09:53, Beniamino Cenci Goga at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The cable that connects the LCD to the logic
> board is the same for B/W and color 190/5300
> displays?

Don't think so - Apple list different part numbers for them.

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190/5300 displays

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

As I learnt that the screens are interchangeable 
between 190/5300 gray, color, acive or passive 
matrix, now I would like to see whether I can 
replace a dead TFT 5300 screen with a new one.

The problem is that the only good case I have is a PB 190 one.

The cable that connects the LCD to the logic 
board is the same for B/W and color 190/5300 
displays?

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