Re: 3400 and DSL - problem solved
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. In the end, it was the simplest most direct approach that worked: wiping the HD and reinstalling OS 9.1. Upon startup with the fresh system, I set TCP/IP to Ethernet and Configure using DHCP server (no IP address or anything else), fired up IE 5.1 and I was surfing and downloading at super speeds, even on the old 3400 (e.g. download the Norton Antivirus updates to NAV 7 at over 100K/sec). Web pages were loading faster than on my G4 Sawtooth. Wow. And then I set Appletalk to Ethernet, turned on Filesharing and was sharing files with the Lombard and Sawtooth while surfing the web. Very nice. So in the end it was indeed a software problem. Thanks for all your help. Next step, connecting the 3400 wirelessly to the Lombard (both using Wavelan Silver cards), and surfing the web through the Lombard (connected to our router by ethernet cable). Any advice much appreciated ;-) Chris H -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
Thinking some more about your problem... I think I remember you saying you had a strange IP address listed? Or am I getting you confused with something else I've been working on ;-) Anyway, if thats the case, then DHCP isn't working for you. Straight off, double check all of the settings on your TCP/IP tab. If they all look right, contact your ISP and get the block of IP's they assigned you. They'll give you a range of numbers like 23.xxx.xxx.20- 23.xxx.xxx.24 or something like that. Find out what two addresses your other Macs are using and which one your routers using and pick a free one. Assign that as a manually entered IP address on your 3400. Make sure you enter the Subnet Mask and Name Server information (DNS) - very important. Once this is done, if you don't have a PING program on your Mac, go to Apples site and download MacTCP Ping. Using a Ping utility, attempt to PING the IP address of your Router from the 3400. If you can't ping the router, try pinging the other Macs... If you can't ping the other Macs, try pinging yourself. If you can Ping the router, but you can't access the internet, it's likely a DNS issue... Try opening your browser window and instead of typing www.xx, try typing in an IP address. If you don't know the IP address of a website, try 161.58.225.20 Thats the IP address for redriver.com See if you can surf to the site using IP address rather than name... thats a sure sign of a DNS issue. Cheers, Sionnach __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
If your IP addy's start with 23.xxx.xxx.xxx, then those are routable. I took a look last night to figure out what the other non-routable address scheme was I couldn't remember and it was 172.16.xxx.xxx, so, basically, three non-routable schemes: 10.xxx.xxx.xxx 172.16.xxx.xxx 192.168.xxx.xxx Now if you have 23.xxx.xxx.xxx addresses, then your ISP has no doubt given you a block of addresses to use. You could check with them to see which addresses they are. If you can have up to four machines, then they've given you four addresses. If you just change one of the numbers on one of your other Macs a little and try to use that for a manual IP for your 3400, if it's out of your given block, your ISP may drop your service until you call and straighten it out. If you want to try a static (manual) IP on the 3400, I'd call them first. So it sounds like your ISP provided you with the router and all... Pretty neat. I don't know any ISP's around here that do that for home accounts. Usually they just give you 1 routable IP address. Of course, then you just go out and buy a router, link that to the routable IP and run non-routable IP's to all your home PC's. You only have four ports on the router, but that won't keep you from cascading a hub onto it ;-) I run 8 PC's at once from my connection at home through a Linksys Router w/ 4 port switch and a cascaded Bay Networks 8 port hub ;-) Cheers, Sionnach __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
I agree with everyone that CHris' problem seems to be IP related... in fact, I think I mentioned before that I thought his file sharing was likely happening over Appletalk and hiding the IP issues... Anyway, I read through a lot of the feedback, and it all made sense to me, but something stuck me with Chris' email where he asked how to set the IP address manually. I thought I might add a couple things here that hopefully would be less technical if it's needed... I haven't heard of the brand of router you mentioned and don't specifically know how to configure it. Generally, routers are configured with a web based utility or have some sort of management utility you can Telnet into. I get the feeling that your router was provided to you by your ISP and you didn't set it up yourself. If that is true, is what you are calling the router really the DSL modem? Just curious. Some ISP's when you get DSL service will allow you to connect only one or two computers to your DSL line. They assign you an IP address. (THis could be DHCP (changing) or Static (manual) Even if it's based on DHCP, they can still limit your connections if they decide you are only entitled to 1 or 2 machines without paying them additional $$$. In order to set a manual IP address for your 3400, you would need to configure your router (assuming it is a router and assuming that it is setup to be a DHCP Server) to exclude a small range of IP addresses from it's DHCP address pool. You could then use one of those excluded addresses as your manual IP number for the 3400. Obviously you need to make sure that your Subnet Mask and Gateway information are filled out properly in the 3400's TCP/IP setup as well. If you do have a router, then I am assuming that it is acting as a proxy. What this means is that your ISP has provided you with a single IP address. The router uses that address to broadcast requests to the internet, but, for communications with your internal machines, your router provides internal IP addresses. There are three main IP schemes that are not routable over the internet and are used as internal addresses. One of them is 10.0.0.x, another is 192.168.0.x and I can't remember the other off the top of my head. If your IP address starts with a 10. or with a 192. then you are using internal addresses for your machines and the router is translating those addresses to the IP address that your ISP gave in order to send information over the internet. That came out more complicated than I intended, but that method also provides you with a measure of security from the outside. Anyway, what I'm getting at is that if your IP addresses don't start with a 10. or a 192., then you should not just randomly assign another IP address to your 3400. If you are truly running routable IP's to your workstations, then those IP's are owned by your ISP, check with them to make sure you have enough IP addresses to service the amount of computers you want connected... Cheers, Sionnach __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
on 23-10-2002 20:14, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I'm 90% certain this is software. If you had a hardware issue, the OTP issue would not result as it is. 2. is TCP/IP showing an IP address # ??? What is that #? if it's a 169, you do not have a connection (intellectually--though you may have one physically). However, I suspect that you DO have an IP# that's valid, due to AppleTalk being happy).. 3. try manually setting your IP# to another address.. If your other Mac's are showing 10.0.1.xx, then set your machine to a slightly higher IP (say 10.1.1.12)... Okay, I'm replying to David's mail, but it's also to all the suggestions from Brian, Drew, Sionnach et al. I seem to have some odd IP addresses: they are not 10.xx or 192.xxx, but rather 23.xxx.xx.81 (on the Sawtooth and Lombard, which both work). The Default gateway address is 23.xxx.xx.1 (same as the IP except for the last digits), the Netmask is 255.xxx.xxx.0 and the Name server address is 213.xxx.xx.xx I get these from the server; I don't insert them manually. Re. number of computers allowed, the server has a 4 device limit, i.e., computers plus networked peripherals. Though there are only 3 available ethernet ports on the back of the router (the fourth goes to the DSL modem). The router remembers the devices that have been connected to it and as soon as you add a fifth, service is cut off and you have to call to get it turned on again. I've had only 2 connected (Lombard and Sawtooth), and am trying to get the 3rd. There is supposed to be no problem in connecting 3 at the same time. Re. configuring my router, unfortunately it was just plug and play. The server provided both modem and router (or residential gateway), which a tech plugged in to the outlet and said ready to go. I plugged an ethernet cable into the router and the G4, opened Explorer 5.1 and was surfing the web. I didn't even go into TCP/IP to change anything. Nor did I install any of the server's software, which was for Windows. Anyway, in order, I'll try taking the address from the G4, changing them a bit and inserting them manually into the 3400 TCP/IP control panel. If that doesn't work, I'll try a fresh install of OS 9.1. Thanks for the help. Chris H -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
on 19-10-2002 21:32, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you ping addresses outside of your LAN from the 3400? Download WhatRoute to try this- and use numeric IP's. Some sites don't respond to a ping so try a couple to avoid misdiagnosis. cnn.com for exmaple ignores ping requests so it's not useful here; apple.com does respond and is IP 17.254.3.183. If pinging IPs works but pinging domain names does not there's something wrong in the way your 3400 is resolving DNS queries. Macs are funny about this but DHCP should provide DNS resolution automatically, depending on your router; specify the DNS server by hand in the TCP/IP-DHCP settings for the 3400 and see if that helps. Check the way that the Gateway machine is providing DHCP to the clients, too. If you can't even ping IP's that are outside the LAN, then you might need to check your router machine setup. B No luck pinging with WhatRoute. Result was Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221 Again, TCP/IP and Appletalk on the 3400 is set up exactly like our G4 Sawtooth and Lombard, all 3 Macs using OS 9.1: Connect via Ethernet and Configure Using DHCP Server. The G4 and Lombard work perfectly on the DSL connection, even thru a NetBarrier firewall (I tried the 3400 with and without the firewall). The 3400 sees and is seen by both other Macs on the LAN, and filesharing (Appletalk: Ethernet) works perfectly between all 3. So, any ideas? How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway, which also carries our voice phone line). To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without an assigned IP address? As per other advice, I tried turning off the router/gateway and then turning it back on, but still no luck. Chris H -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3400 and DSL No luck pinging with WhatRoute. Result was Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221 Find out the IP number assigned to the 3400 by your DHCP router and then try and ping it from the G4 or Lombard. Again, TCP/IP and Appletalk on the 3400 is set up exactly like our G4 Sawtooth and Lombard, all 3 Macs using OS 9.1: Connect via Ethernet and Configure Using DHCP Server. The G4 and Lombard work perfectly on the DSL connection, even thru a NetBarrier firewall (I tried the 3400 with and without the firewall). The 3400 sees and is seen by both other Macs on the LAN, and filesharing (Appletalk: Ethernet) works perfectly between all 3. They see each other but probably via AppleTalk, not TCP/IP. This is an IP problem. So, any ideas? How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway, which also carries our voice phone line). How do you admin the router? What if you shut everything down, brought up the router and then after a few minutes, just the 3400? Will it work then? If not, boot up one of the other Macs and see if they'll work. If so, maybe reinstall the networking software (or the whole OS) on the 3400. To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without an assigned IP address? There's some internal IP number you can use to do that but I don't remember what it is. Maybe someone else on the list does. Or you might find it in your router's manual. Tom Roth * tel 336.716.4493 Wake Forest University School of Medicine Dept of Biomedical Communications Medical Center Blvd * Winston-Salem, NC 27157 http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
Chris, 1. I'm 90% certain this is software. If you had a hardware issue, the OTP issue would not result as it is. 2. is TCP/IP showing an IP address # ??? What is that #? if it's a 169, you do not have a connection (intellectually--though you may have one physically). However, I suspect that you DO have an IP# that's valid, due to AppleTalk being happy).. 3. try manually setting your IP# to another address.. If your other Mac's are showing 10.0.1.xx, then set your machine to a slightly higher IP (say 10.1.1.12)... IF that works, and you get online, then you'll know that the problem is software on the machine--the DHCP service tools are screwed... if it DOES NOT work, then you've got either a physical issue (which I doubt), or a system issue with Open Transport servicing the Ethernet port. Either way, you will likely need to do a NEW system install to overcome this. DDon't try updating your current sys folder--do a new system folder, to guarantee that all likely parts are replaced.. Thanks, David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.ibookparts.com http://www.wegenermedia.com In a message dated 10/22/02 12:33:39 PM, you wrote: No luck pinging with WhatRoute. Result was Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221 Again, TCP/IP and Appletalk on the 3400 is set up exactly like our G4 Sawtooth and Lombard, all 3 Macs using OS 9.1: Connect via Ethernet and Configure Using DHCP Server. The G4 and Lombard work perfectly on the DSL connection, even thru a NetBarrier firewall (I tried the 3400 with and without the firewall). The 3400 sees and is seen by both other Macs on the LAN, and filesharing (Appletalk: Ethernet) works perfectly between all 3. So, any ideas? How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway, which also carries our voice phone line). To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without an assigned IP address? As per other advice, I tried turning off the router/gateway and then turning it back on, but still no luck. Chris H -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
No luck pinging with WhatRoute. Result was Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221 That sure isn't an error I'd expect; when I've tried to ping on machines that I know have a config problem, Whatroute just give a failed/timeout for each ping attempt (if I tried to ping an IP), or a failed to resolve error if I tried to ping a domain, and my domain services weren't config'd correctly. This makes me suspect your TCP/IP installation is missing pieces or is corrupt... perhaps reinstall it. Have you got working ethernet internet connections if you take your laptop elsewhere (library or something) that provides DHCP? Do we *know* that TCP/IP ever works over ethernet on this laptop? :) How do I check the router setup? (It's a Telsey CPV Residential Gateway, which also carries our voice phone line). No idea; is it web configurable? You'll have to check the instructions, I don't know that model. You aren't limited to just 2 computers on your DSL line are you? If they provided the router they could force that limitation. To check the 3400 with Manual IP address, etc., how can I test that without an assigned IP address? If your router is broadcasting DHCP you can usually just sneak a static IP in there; as long as no one else is using that IP you won't have conflicts. I've never had a problem doing this with any cable or DSL routers anyway, and only once at one university. These little routers will accept anything from x.x.x.2 to x.x.x.253 usually, although some come set to only go up to x.x.x.32 in the default config. What this means, is you can have a DHCP server set up but set up some machines in the LAN via static IP anyway, just fine. In fact sometimes you want it this way. So: In the 3400's TCP/IP panel, set it to manual, specify an IP similar in format to what one of your other macs acquires via DHCP (look at their TCP/IP panel) (192.168.1.x likely, just be sure to keep the first 4 numbers the same as on the working macs, and use the same subnet mask as on the working computer) and just increment the last number by one to get an IP to use for the 3400. umm..better, look at your each of your other macs and increment the highest IP by one :) you can't have 2 machines with the same IP. Everybody has to be unique. You will have to specify (all via IP, not names) the IP, the gateway/router address, the subnet mask, and (important) the DNS server by hand. If you get the DNS wrong, pings of IP numbers can work but pings of domain names (like apple.com) will fail. You can get most of this info from one of your working Macs. The DNS server IP, if you don't know it, you might have to read your providers instructions, or you can glean it from WhatRoute if you put WhatRoute on one of the working macs). HTH. It's not as hard as the long mail might make it look, should be a really quick test. If setting up the manual IP thing doesn't work, my next step would be to reinstall Open Transport, that error is not usual. At this point my guess is your Open Transport services got corrupted somehow and are the cause of the problem. If the other macs are working and you don't have a limitation on the number of computers that you can add to your network, I'd not mess with the router config. B -- ...we parted each feeling superior to the other and is not that feeling after all one of the great desiderata of social intercourse -archy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
Result was Error Opening Transport Endpoints: - 3221 FWIW, I get error -3221 when my TCP/IP stack crashes. It typically happens after switching configurartions too many times without restarting, then trying to use DHCP. It's definitely an OT error, though, so like Brian said, I'd check my OT installation to make sure I have all the parts. Peace, Drew -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Anyone can fly, all you have to do is throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. Is anyone on the list using a 3400 with DSL, connected via Ethernet but not using any software (like Enternet, etc.)? Chris, Sorry, I won't be much help with your problem, but I can attest that I am running a 3400 through a Cable Modem via Ethernet on OS 8.6 going through a LinkSys Router with a 4 port switch. It takes an IP address from the DHCP service running on the router. All I did was setup TCPIP to get the IP automatically, and I set Appletalk to Ethernet. I don't use the dongle but go straight through the cabel and I have the modem extension installed 3400 not with me right now so i can't check the extension version. I also carry this machine to work with me from time ot time and plug right in and access the internet over our DSL link... Don't change any settings or anything ... no problems at all Don't know wht to tell you for your problem... Does seem like it could be DNS related, though... especially if you seem to be able to see the other machines on your network and share files OK... Thats probably happening over Appletalk (via Ethernet) though rather than IP??? Od does OS 9 do IP native like OS X does?? Personally, I'd try like Brian suggested and see i you can ping external addresses from the 3400... Have you tried that? I suppose if ou thought it was a DHCP issue, you could try setting up a couple static IP's on your router and assigning a static IP to the 3400... Manually give it the IP, Subnet and Gateway addresses and see if that helps... Cheers, Sionnach __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
3400 and DSL
Okay, get your thinking caps on ;-) And sorry if this is a cross-post from other Mac lists, but I still haven't sorted it out. I can't get my 3400/240, OS 9.1, 144MB RAM to connect to the internet (or retrieve email) thru our DSL connection. Our DSL consists of an Alcatel Speed Touch Home modem, which is connected by 10bT ethernet to a Telsey Residential Gateway hub/appliance, which has 4 10bT ethernet ports and 2 phone jacks. I currently have the 3400, as well as a G4 Sawtooth (OS 9.1) and a Lombard (OS 9.1) connected to the Gateway. All 3 Macs see each other in our small home network and we can transfer files from/to each without problems. The G4 and Lombard have always used the DSL link 24/7 without problems. Setup was plug and play. No additional software needed. I set up the TCP/IP control panel as Connect via Ethernet, and Configure Using DHCP Server, and that was it. Tried doing the same with the 3400, but any attempt to open a URL gets a an Error message (The attempt to load ... failed). Also unable to check email. The 3400's ethernet/port works fine both for ethernet and as a modem. I've also tried swapping known good ethernet cables, and switching ports on the Gateway, but to no avail. At this point, it would seem as though it's software related. I've even tried different Open Transport extensions on the 3400 (2.7.6, 2.7.8). Any ideas? Thanks, Chris H -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
Chris, You might check to make sure the 3400's Ethernet driver is installed. I don't recall the name of it (somebody help me out), but it's an extension that allows the ethernet to run. Check your TCP/IP to see the IP Address. If it's showing a 169.xxx.xxx.xx number, then your machine isn't seeing the ethernet port, even though you've got the TCP set right. In that case you need to go back check your extensions folder, to make sure your ethernet extension is listed. That's a unique driver to the 3400/Kanga, as it uses a different driver chip than all other Powerbooks, if my memory is correct.. You may even have a green light on your hub, showing a positive port connection, but that won't necessarily mean that the 3400 sees the port as valid, it's only a positive connection indicator. Thanks, David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Powerbooks for the rest of us - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.ibookparts.com http://www.wegenermedia.com In a message dated 10/18/02 12:11:18 PM, you wrote: The G4 and Lombard have always used the DSL link 24/7 without problems. Setup was plug and play. No additional software needed. I set up the TCP/IP control panel as Connect via Ethernet, and Configure Using DHCP Server, and that was it. Tried doing the same with the 3400, but any attempt to open a URL gets a an Error message (The attempt to load ... failed). Also unable to check email. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
I use an ethernet connection in two away-from home places. Using location manager, I set up the choices. If you have the free PPP lurking somewhere, make sure your modem selection is set to generic. Make sure AppleTalk is off. Have you pressed the reset button? Cheers George (3400c, 80 MB/180 MHz) I did check on missing extensions. The extension I've always had is the Powerbook 3400/G3 Modem, version 1.0.1, that was installed with OS 9.1. Under Extensions Manager, it says Supports the internal combined Ethernet/Modem expansion card. The odd thing is that I've never had any problems with Ethernet on the 3400. As I said, it is currently connected to our hub (supplied by the DSL provider) and it is seen by the other 2 Macs on our home network and file sharing among all 3 is problem free. The 3400 even worked fine in the past with a direct Mac-to-Mac ethernet crossover cable link. The modem works fine too for dial-up connections. So it seems odd that Ethernet works perfectly (both with and without the 3400 dongle), but I can't connect to the web via Ethernet. I tried replacing the 9.1 extension with 2 other 3400 extensions: Powerbook 3400 Modem and Powerbook 3400 Ethernet, both vers. 1.1f2. But the higher version number seems to be a misnomer, as they predate the 1.0.1 from OS 9.1. In any case, they didn't solve the problem. As to TCP/IP, I configured the 3400 the same as the other 2 Macs connected to our DSL line. We don't have a static IP address. TCP/IP is configured by the DHCP Server. Could this be the problem? That the 3400 ethernet port and/or extension may not work with a non-static IP address? I should also add that I called our DSL company's tech support and we tried to solve the problem in real time over the phone. No go. And something that really troubled the guy is that he couldn't see the 3400 from his end over their network (while he could see that our other 2 Macs were connected). It's irritating, as I've read of several people using lowly 5300's on their DSL connections. There must be a way to get the 3400 connected. Any help much appreciated. Chris H = /'\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / No HTML/RTF in email X No Word docs in email / \ Respect for open standards Love your neighbour as yourself. (from Luke 10:27) __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:powerbooks-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:powerbooks-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 3400 and DSL
He might also check to see if the Router IP address is set correctly and I would uncheck that Load only when needed in the TCP/IP control panel. I've only known that to cause problems. Tom Roth * tel 336.716.4493 Wake Forest University School of Medicine Dept of Biomedical Communications Medical Center Blvd * Winston-Salem, NC 27157 http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ -- From: Sionnach Aisling Subject: Re: 3400 and DSL Well... a couple thoughts. You do have your router set to give out IP addresses via DHCP, right? I'm assuming you do since you have the other machines working and logic would dictate that you set the 3400 up the same way. If your other macs are using static addresses (manually set) then try setting a manual address for the 3400 as well. Be sure to get the proper subnet mask. Also, making sure the DNS information is correct is very important. Just match it up to the other machines. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
3400 and DSL
Sorry for the cross-post (if you're on the Powerlist): I've got an always-on DSL connection at home that consists of a DSL modem (ethernet port) and a Telsey Gateway hub/appliance that has 4 10BT ethernet ports (1 for the DSL modem and 3 for our Macs). We currently have a G4 Sawtooth (OS 9.2) and a Lombard (OS 9.1) hooked up to the Gateway and the internet connection is outstanding (ave. 120KB/sec downloads). The Gateway also works as an ethernet hub and the two Macs see each other perfectly; transferring files between them is super. I added a 3400/240 (144MB RAM, OS 9.1) to the network. It works just great on the household network: is seen by and sees the other two Macs perfectly. File transfer fast and trouble free. BUT, I can't get the 3400 to connect to the internet at all. I've tried switching Gateway ports and ethernet cables, but to no avail. I've tried different browsers, too, but that's not the problem. I keep getting an error message, as if the 3400 wasn't even connected to the web; no email either, of course. The only setting I've used (as with the other 2 Macs) is in TCP/IP: Connect via ETHERNET Configure using DHCP SERVER Options: Make TCP/IP Active and LOAD ONLY WHEN NEEDED Appletalk is ON and set to ETHERNET. Any ideas? Seems like a software problem, as all the hardware is working fine. Thanks for any help. Chris H P.S. I'm on Digest, so if you have any valuable info, please let me know directly. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
