Re: Best OS for a 5300
Watch out for false hopes; last I checked (about 6 months ago), iCab was no faster on my PB5300 than IE 5. It also periodically expires--sort of a pain. As for IE5 being slow, you might consider a different browser that's built much leaner and meaner. I would check out iCab. It's a great browser for for older Macs and has just about all the functionality you could need. -- explorer 5.1 is faster than 5.0 increase the cache etc. kenta -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
On Friday, Mar 28, 2003, at 07:11 US/Central, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And finally, am I expecting too much from my 5300 when I'd like a webpage to download/display in less than 5-10 seconds (on average) Again, yes, unless you have graphics turned off. Frank p'bookers, Try WannaBe http://mindstory.com/wb2/ for a plain text (graphic free!) browsing experience and iCab http://www.icab.de/dl.php is a pretty good little browser (in perpetual Beta?) that works well on these older machines with a few glitches and crashes on more complex web sites. ICab can also be set to not allow certain graphics (like banners or giant pictures). I think that Netscape Communicator 4.7x (I think .78 or .79) http://wp.netscape.com/download/0509102/1-en_qual.html works fairly well...it's got that Big Wink feature (BUG) which lets you know when the page is done downloading. It's Messenger suit is much nicer than Outhouse Express...and a little safer from viruses and macros, which really aren't that scary on an old mac. I would not try any of the newer version of Netscape on your 5300 (or most other Macs for that matter :-). I haven't tried it on my 2300 but noticed that Mozilla, which on my iBook and MacOsX is great, has a version for older Macs, too http://www.mozilla.org/. I may go download it right now. cheers, Randy -- Good thing it's a one-holer, 'cause if it were a two-holer, before McClellan could make up his mind which one to use, he'd beshit himself.--A. Lincoln -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
Frank Scott on 3/27/03 8:40 PM wrote: The first is related to this thread. I've seen lots of posts on the optimal OS to run, some of them contradictory. Specifically, will I really get a noticable benefit (i.e. when running IE 5.1) if I back-off to OS8.1? The sluggish finder I'm experiencing is annoying, but I can live with it, so I'm really interested in benefits that impact IE. Snip Any other obvious (or not so obvious) things I should do to (or with) my 5300 to make it more zippy with IE 5.1? And finally, am I expecting too much from my 5300 when I'd like a webpage to download/display in less than 5-10 seconds (on average). I don't expect it to be as fast as my late-model PC that I use at work, but I'm kinda hoping for something reasonaly close. Since you're dealing with a machine that's about 7-8 years old, what was consider zippy then, is sluggish now. If you haven't already, you should probably open up your Extensions Manager control panel and disable any extensions that are obviously not beneficial to the 5300 (ie. anything USB, FireWire, unused printer drivers etc.). Personally I would go OS8.6 as I haven't noticed a significant difference between it and OS8.1. As for IE5 being slow, you might consider a different browser that's built much leaner and meaner. I would check out iCab. It's a great browser for for older Macs and has just about all the functionality you could need. That's what I load on any Pre-G3 PowerBook. Check it out here: http://www.icab.de/ They indicate a Pro version will be released but it seems like they've been saying that as long as I can remember. I've always used the free download and have not encountered any limitations for what I need a browser for. I know there are a couple other nice browsers but iCab has worked fine. -Mark -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
on 3/28/03 5:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At worst, SpeedDoubler won't hurt, and you can always de-install it. While it is true that it is less useful with later versions of MacOS/applications (especially since more of these later programs are PPC native), I find that the Speed Copy function is still substantially faster than the OS routines, especially when copying files over a network, but even when copying on the same system. The Copy Agent feature is also great for performing lightweight backups. If you try it, be sure to use v8.1.2. I agree with the speed improvements, and especially with the advantages of Copy Agents, but wonder if I'm the only person in the known universe (AKA this list) to have encountered application conflicts with SpeedDoubler? Hypercard, SimpleText, and Battery Recondition all refused to run with it loaded: the identical symptoms have occurred on a 5300c under 8.5, on a 5300ce under 7.5.5, and after several months with no problems, on a 7600 (desktop) under 8.6. It all became so annoying that I've given up on SD altogether (rather regretfully). Best, Victoria -- As war and government prove, insanity is the most contagious of diseases. Edward Abbey -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
Specifically, will I really get a noticable benefit (i.e. when running IE 5.1) if I back-off to OS8.1? Yes, you will, but you would get more of a benefit from not using IE 5.1 and switching to a browser that doesn't have such a huge overhead on system resources. A few people have mentioned this already, but the only browser I use on a classic MacOS machine is iCab. Will SpeedDoubler 8 really help me with my primary requirement (if I stay with OS8.6 or switch to OS8.1). It helps a lot in 8.1, but not in 8.6, which is really a completely different OS, Apple's version numbers notwithstanding. OS 8.1 still relies a lot of 680x0 emulation; 8.6 is PPC-only and includes a lot more PPC-native code. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
Watch out for false hopes; last I checked (about 6 months ago), iCab was no faster on my PB5300 than IE 5. It also periodically expires--sort of a pain. As for IE5 being slow, you might consider a different browser that's built much leaner and meaner. I would check out iCab. It's a great browser for for older Macs and has just about all the functionality you could need. -- __ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
victoria brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/28/03 wrote: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:46:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Best OS for a 5300 From: victoria brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with the speed improvements, and especially with the advantages of Copy Agents, but wonder if I'm the only person in the known universe (AKA this list) to have encountered application conflicts with SpeedDoubler? Hypercard, SimpleText, and Battery Recondition all refused to run with it loaded: the identical symptoms have occurred on a 5300c under 8.5, on a 5300ce under 7.5.5, and after several months with no problems, on a 7600 (desktop) under 8.6. It all became so annoying that I've given up on SD altogether (rather regretfully). Best, Victoria I haven't had that problem. Battery Recondition 1.5 and SimpleText 1.4, and HyperCard 2.2 work reliably for me (PB 1400cs/upgraded to G3, MacOS 8.6, 44 MB RAM doubled to 88 using RamDoubler 9.0.1). Were you running SpeedDoubler 8.1.2? It was much more reliable than some of the earlier versions... When I've run into problems on my PowerBook, it's usually been because some legacy program insists on installing an older version of an extension on my system. Believe it or not, I started seeing a bunch of crashes recently, and I discovered that something had installed a MacOS 7.something version of the Network control panel on my v8.6 system! You might want to try running with Conflict Catcher 8 or newer (you can download a fully functional demo from http://www.casadyg.com/ ) or installing a clean system. Best regards, Joe -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
on 3/28/03 7:54 AM, Randy Cheyanne at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tried it on my 2300 but noticed that Mozilla, which on my iBook and MacOsX is great, has a version for older Macs, too http://www.mozilla.org/. I may go download it right now. I've been running Mozilla 1.0.1 on my 1400c since it was released. It is zippy fast page loading with my sonnet 333MHZ upgrade, loads slowly though, as it does on my G4 400 OS X machine though too. 1.2 is the last OS 9 version (well 8.6 actually) built by the Mozilla team. Anything higher is OS X only. Netscape 7.0.1 is good too, though a little more bloated with extras. Not bad, I just don't want AOL AIM in my browser and all the shop stuff. Mozilla has a JavaScript debugger too that I use daily in my job. My 48MB 333 1400c plunks along peachy kean with it. No IE needed here. :-) In fact I have AOL IM 4.5.995, OE5.0.2 and Mozilla 1.0.1 all running now with BBEdit open as well... Moz ran well under the original 166 chip in here until I upgraded 2 months back. It was slow to respond to URL typing, but it was bearable and stable. It really isn't supported on slower than 266MHZ, but it ran well other than the text issue. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
on 27/03/03 19:07, Rainer Springenschmid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got 8.5 running on my 5300c. you're only talking about 8.1 and 8.6 here. should i upgrade? I think 8.6 was a bug fix version of 8.5, rather than a significant upgrade. I would but if you are happy as you are why take a risk ? Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic www.pbfanatic.co.uk MSN Messenger - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ - 47738640 -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
Malcolm Cornelius wrote: on 27/03/03 19:07, Rainer Springenschmid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got 8.5 running on my 5300c. you're only talking about 8.1 and 8.6 here. should i upgrade? I think 8.6 was a bug fix version of 8.5, rather than a significant upgrade. It's a *significant* bug fix upgrade...do it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/27/03 7:04 PM wrote: i've got 8.5 running on my 5300c. you're only talking about 8.1 and 8.6 here. should i upgrade? In general, 8.1 has BIG performance benefits over 8.0 (e.g. compare the speeds of opening windows in a list view in 8.1 vs 8.0). Likewise, 8.6 tends to have better stability than 8.5, but with comparable resource requirements, so I almost always upgrade 8.5 systems to 8.6. Also, many third party vendors only support their software on 8.6 or greater. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
Hi Guys, I've just joined the ranks of PB5300 users (and this list). I've got 3 of 'em (1 ce and 2 c) which I'm trying to get usable for my 3 kids. The 3 main apps of interest are email, MSWord and internet. The first 2 run acceptably on the 5300, but IE (5.1) is far too slow to be useful. Any web-pages with a non-trivial amount of graphics take (at least) tens of seconds to display (sometimes as much as a minute). I have a high-speed connection, so that's not the bottleneck. I'm running OS8.6 (clean-install) with 48-64M of RAM. I have a few questions... The first is related to this thread. I've seen lots of posts on the optimal OS to run, some of them contradictory. Specifically, will I really get a noticable benefit (i.e. when running IE 5.1) if I back-off to OS8.1? The sluggish finder I'm experiencing is annoying, but I can live with it, so I'm really interested in benefits that impact IE. My second question relates to the usage of SpeedDoubler 8. I've also seen contradictary posts on this topic. The latest seems to conclude that it doesn't make any difference once you move to the later OSs (e.g. OS8.6). Will SpeedDoubler 8 really help me with my primary requirement (if I stay with OS8.6 or switch to OS8.1). Any other obvious (or not so obvious) things I should do to (or with) my 5300 to make it more zippy with IE 5.1? And finally, am I expecting too much from my 5300 when I'd like a webpage to download/display in less than 5-10 seconds (on average). I don't expect it to be as fast as my late-model PC that I use at work, but I'm kinda hoping for something reasonaly close. Any thoughts/advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Frank Scott -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PowerBooks) Subject: **SPAM** Re: Best OS for a 5300 Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2003, 9:51 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/27/03 7:04 PM wrote: i've got 8.5 running on my 5300c. you're only talking about 8.1 and 8.6 here. should i upgrade? In general, 8.1 has BIG performance benefits over 8.0 (e.g. compare the speeds of opening windows in a list view in 8.1 vs 8.0). Likewise, 8.6 tends to have better stability than 8.5, but with comparable resource requirements, so I almost always upgrade 8.5 systems to 8.6. Also, many third party vendors only support their software on 8.6 or greater. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
In a message dated 3/23/03 9:10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to up it to 8.1 as soon as people quit outbidding me on eBay. The consensus seems to be to avoid 8.0. In order to get to 8.1 you first have to load 8.0 because 8.1 is merely an update. On the swap list there is an 8.0 CD for sale: (Subject: [swap] Available again...OEM -Mac OS 7.6. and 8.0 CDs w/updates..$10.00 ea.-shipped in lower-48 From: Michael Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Check it out and good luck. RasAzul(Brad) -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
on 3/23/03 2:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to get to 8.1 you first have to load 8.0 because 8.1 is merely an update. On the swap list there is an 8.0 CD for sale Thanks for the prod, Brad -- I'd been delaying re-subscribing to the Swap List just for this because there are so many postings, and nothing else I'm in the market for at the moment. And it's actually an 8.0 CD (a small succession of them) that people have been outbidding me for, I was planning to download the update as soon as 8.0 was at hand. Best, Victoria -- Let's take back our country in 2004: Howard Dean! -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
What notable features does 8.6 have that 8.1 does not have? -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
What notable features does 8.6 have that 8.1 does not have? Working USB support, though not much good to a 5300. More relevant is a lot less 68K code in the kernel, which means much better performance. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- It's bad luck to be suspicious. -- Andrew W. Mathis -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On 3/23/03 2:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to up it to 8.1 as soon as people quit outbidding me on eBay. The consensus seems to be to avoid 8.0. In order to get to 8.1 you first have to load 8.0 because 8.1 is merely an update. Not quite true. There are Mac OS 8.1 CDs for direct installation. I have one that was bought from Apple several years ago. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
Not 100% accurate. I have an 8.0 boxed cd, an 8.0 Apple CD that shipped with my 1400c, and an 8.1 Apple cd that shipped with my Beige G3. If anyone has Office 98, all the OS updates are on the CD, updates for 7, 8, and 9 on 3/23/03 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to get to 8.1 you first have to load 8.0 because 8.1 is merely an update. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
What notable features does 8.6 have that 8.1 does not have? Better power management, greater efficiency, better memory management, Carbon support to name a few. Sherlock (infinitely useful)! (Version 1, without the silly metal appearance) OpenTransport in 8.6 is better, faster, too. Don't know if you can get the 8.6 OT version for 8.1... Much better VM code (makes RAMDoubler more or less obsolete). Better 68k emulation, making SpeedDoubler essentially useless. Also, far less 68k code making system operations faster than 8.1. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Want to know if your neighbor has Wi-Fi? Find out with ClassicStumbler! http://homepage.mac.com/alk/classicstumbler.html -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
What notable features does 8.6 have that 8.1 does not have? Better power management, greater efficiency, better memory management, Carbon support to name a few. Actually, Carbon will work in 8.1 (very early versions). It just doesn't work that well. :-P I used it with my 1400 before I swept on to 9.1. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. -- Oscar Wilde -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
Actually, Carbon will work in 8.1 (very early versions). It just doesn't work that well. :-P I used it with my 1400 before I swept on to 9.1. Yes, but most current Carbonated software requires Carbon 1.4 or later. These versions require OS 8.6 or higher. CarbonLib 1.4+ will not load correctly on OS 8.1. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://homepage.mac.com/alk/ Want to know if your neighbor has Wi-Fi? Find out with ClassicStumbler! http://homepage.mac.com/alk/classicstumbler.html -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
What notable features does 8.6 have that 8.1 does not have? some programs just wont run on OS 8.1 - some ethernet cableconnections require an extra dotted line in the TCP control panel that 8.1 does not have, There are better appearance manager in 8.6 and 8.6 is not so jumpy - and it does not stall on odd occasions as much. there is not much of speed difference between the 2 not as if you compare 8.6 to 9.1, but if you need speed and no extras go for 7.6.1 there is probably lots more - but I am a bit mindless as usual kenta -- -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Best OS for a 5300
To all of the Mac OS Illuminati: What is the most stable OS for a 5300. Most of the units I have seen are running either 7.5.3 or 7.6.1 with the occasional 8.0. John Ryan -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
on 3/22/03 2:04 PM, John Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all of the Mac OS Illuminati: What is the most stable OS for a 5300. Most of the units I have seen are running either 7.5.3 or 7.6.1 with the occasional 8.0. John Ryan An Illuminatus I'm not, but I do have a 5300 and also seem to be the only lister around this afternoon. My 5300c started out with 32MB and 8.5 installed. It ran stably but rather slowly. Then the RAM card went bellyup, so it was down to 16MB, still under 8.5, but dependent on VM, and almost too lethargic to bear to use for anything except word processing. It's now back up to 32 MB and also purring along much more zippily with 7.5.5, but (this may be entirely subjective) seems subject to random bombs and freezes. So for that reason among others I'm going to up it to 8.1 as soon as people quit outbidding me on eBay. The consensus seems to be to avoid 8.0. HTH, Victoria -- Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Samuel Clemens -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Best OS for a 5300
i'm running 9.1 :) It is very slow to start up, but it runs fast once it loads. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
