Re: HELP - Lost system folder on pb3400c

[k]

 >I figured the directory got messed up

Guy,

You are probably right.  DiskWarrior should be able to repair this.  That's
what it specializes in.  Can you get a hold of a copy from somebody you know
to fix it. 
Afterwards, make sure you have blessed your System as well.  This is
sometimes easily forgotten after an install and can lead to the problems you
are having. 
If the corruption has progressed beyond DW's capability, you might need to
reinstall your System Folder.  Just make sure to Bless it afterwards. (Drag
System file to desktop and then put back).
Good luck.

but if you can not mount itself at all without a freeze ? is there a
special startup Diskwarrior disk that can work around that ??
kenta
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Re: HELP - Lost system folder on pb3400c

[k]

>
>Tried zapping the P-Ram, loading with extensions off and it made no
>difference.
>
>Anyone have any idea what happened and how to fix it?

it freezes when trying to mount the hd, could be various reasons, i 
never met this in a powerbook but in other macs, and my fix has been 
to disconnect the powerchord to the hd and reconnect it when the mac 
has started from cd or another hd, but this is risky and a would 
imagine almost impossible in a powerbook, because you need to have it 
open when you start it, i hope someone else has a more refined aid to 
offer. the problem is a broken rootstructure or a broken hd, or just 
that finder/system has becomed renamed , anyone  suggestion of any 
program that can delay the diskstart ?
kenta
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Re: HELP - Lost system folder on pb3400c

[David R.]

>I figured the directory got messed up

Guy,

You are probably right.  DiskWarrior should be able to repair this.  That's
what it specializes in.  Can you get a hold of a copy from somebody you know
to fix it.  

Afterwards, make sure you have blessed your System as well.  This is
sometimes easily forgotten after an install and can lead to the problems you
are having.  

If the corruption has progressed beyond DW's capability, you might need to
reinstall your System Folder.  Just make sure to Bless it afterwards. (Drag
System file to desktop and then put back).

Good luck.


Dave




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Re: HELP - Lost system folder on pb3400c

[Clark Martin]

At 4:35 AM -0600 3/14/2003, Guy Crook wrote:
>I have a pb3400c, 240mhz, 80m ram, 6 partitions on a 12g HD with OS9.1.
>
>Was running fine until the last time I shut it down, I got a message that my
>start up disk did not have a system folder and if I continued the shut down
>I might not be able to restart. I tried to open some appls but they would
>not open because they couldn't find the extensions and the System folder was
>not on the disk.
>
>I figured the directory got messed up and I would be able to boot from a CD
>and fix the disk or reload the system.
>WRONG. Have tried numerous CDs. They load the extensions, get a desktop with
>only the CD icon in top RH corner, then the system freezes with the pointer
>changing into a clock.
>The TechTool 3 Pro loads with the TT icon in top RH corner and the Apple,
>File, Edit, View, Special, & Help across the top. then it freeze like the
>other CDs. The disks do not show up on the desktop.
>
>Tried zapping the P-Ram, loading with extensions off and it made no
>difference.
>
>Anyone have any idea what happened and how to fix it?


It sounds like Finder (from the CD) is choking when it tries to mount 
the harddisk which does indicate a potentially severe problem.  Try 
using DOCS (Delete-Option-Command-Shift) to start up from the CD. 
This should keep the HD from being mounted.  Since you zapped the 
PRAM it may not work.  DOCS avoids mounting and booting the start up 
disk as specified in PRAM.  Since it's been zapped it will depend on 
what if any default is.  Assuming it does work try updating the disk 
driver on the HD, it's possible this got corrupted.   If that doesn't 
work then try whatever disk tools you have.

If DOCS doesn't work it gets more difficult.  Normally what I would 
do is to unplug the power cable from a problematic drive, boot and 
then power up the drive but that isn't possible with a 2.5" drive, 
the power and data are on a single cable.You might need to get an 
adapter that lets you plug the 2.5" drive into cabling for a 3.5" 
drive which would let you unplug the power cable.
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HELP - Lost system folder on pb3400c

[Guy Crook]

I have a pb3400c, 240mhz, 80m ram, 6 partitions on a 12g HD with OS9.1.

Was running fine until the last time I shut it down, I got a message that my 
start up disk did not have a system folder and if I continued the shut down 
I might not be able to restart. I tried to open some appls but they would 
not open because they couldn't find the extensions and the System folder was 
not on the disk.

I figured the directory got messed up and I would be able to boot from a CD 
and fix the disk or reload the system.
WRONG. Have tried numerous CDs. They load the extensions, get a desktop with 
only the CD icon in top RH corner, then the system freezes with the pointer 
changing into a clock.
The TechTool 3 Pro loads with the TT icon in top RH corner and the Apple, 
File, Edit, View, Special, & Help across the top. then it freeze like the 
other CDs. The disks do not show up on the desktop.

Tried zapping the P-Ram, loading with extensions off and it made no 
difference.

Anyone have any idea what happened and how to fix it?

Thanks
Guy





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