Re: Outbound (was: Powerbook 100 screen)
Yeah Applefritter got pretty throughly hacked...three days ago I went there and there was this big screen 'This website pwned by Haxorgang' or some such. Then day before yesterday they were refusing connections and they still are. I'd be interested to know what OS/Server they were running... Got this when trying to access applefritter: Applefritter's server was vandalized Monday, July 18, and we're still working at recovering from it. In order to ensure the security of the server, we are engaged in rebuilding the software from the ground up. We're also taking this chance to upgrade some components of the server. Fear not, everything's backed up. When we return, everything will appear as it did right before the server was disrupted. We appreciate your patience as we work to get everything back to normal. With any luck, we should be ready to go live early next week (the week of July 25). If there are any delays, we'll post updated information here. The Applefritter administrators would like to thank all the visitors, forum members, and contributors who help make the site what it is. Without you all, Applefritter would be far from the community it is now. If you are interested in interacting with other Applefritter members while we are recovering, the Applefritter IRC channel is available at #applefritter on irc.freenode.net. Thanks again, Tom Owad BDub, Dr. Bob, Dr. Webster, Eudimorphodon Saul Broudy -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Outbound (was: Powerbook 100 screen)
I have a few Outbounds. They came out before the Portable. They were advanced with detachable Keyboards and the Isobar mouse and you can even use VHS camcorder batteries in them. Heard about these before, but never actually saw one in my life. They are virtually non-existant in Europe (ever seen a kangaroo outside a zoo over here? ;-) I never said Apple was the only company with clever ideas way back then. And using widely available camcorder batts (if you have the space) seems a very clever idea. Don't know about the Isobar Mouse, but a detachable keyboard doesn't sound so bad either. I still think the PB 100's set-back keyboard was a good alternative to this and one of the most ingenious realisations in industrial design of the last decades, readily imitated by its competitors and more or less a standard now. ISTR Outbound was always on the ledge of being sued by Apple for copyright infringement or even actually was, but my memory isn't very precise on this subject. My first notebook was the Outbound Notebook(not the laptop), with built-in keyboard, given to me few years ago with effective 11mb RAM, 68030 processor, DB25 SCSI port, ADB, floppy drive, easy HD replacement slot. Love it, could check email with AOL 2.7 (now defunct IIRC), though rarely use it anymore, what with my Wallstreet, 3400's, 1400's, etc.Applefritter.com has pictures/info, if they're up and running again. Saul Broudy Philadelphia, PA USA -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Outbound (was: Powerbook 100 screen)
On Jul 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first notebook was the Outbound Notebook(not the laptop), with built-in keyboard, given to me few years ago with effective 11mb RAM, 68030 processor, DB25 SCSI port, ADB, floppy drive, easy HD replacement slot. Love it, could check email with AOL 2.7 (now defunct IIRC), though rarely use it anymore, what with my Wallstreet, 3400's, 1400's, etc.Applefritter.com has pictures/info, if they're up and running again. Yeah Applefritter got pretty throughly hacked...three days ago I went there and there was this big screen 'This website pwned by Haxorgang' or some such. Then day before yesterday they were refusing connections and they still are. I'd be interested to know what OS/Server they were running... -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Outbound (was: Powerbook 100 screen)
Yeah Applefritter got pretty throughly hacked...three days ago I went there and there was this big screen 'This website pwned by Haxorgang' or some such. Then day before yesterday they were refusing connections and they still are. It was probably a .php exploit. I was never very comfortable with php and the recent spate of attacks has pretty much convinced me not to run any php-based system for awhile until it's settled down. -- -- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Let us live! Let us love! Let us share our darkest secrets! ... you first. - -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Outbound
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:59:43 -0500 From: Aly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fascinating. Yes, it makes me wish I had one of these hanging about in the basement. If anyone comes across an available one, do please post the news. Sometimes these sorts of machines are left in trash heaps at big places like universities, but I didn't know of any the last time our U purged one of its departments. It used to be an all-Mac campus; now, sadly, that's changing. If you find a Laptop which just buzzes (instead of bonging) and then throws garbage on the screen at start up, and doesn't start up, I can fix it. That's a sign of corrupt EEPROM. Of course, you can't run teh installer that writes teh EEPROM unless you can boot up the machine. I bought some blank EEPROM chips and got them burned with good code and they're in sockets, so they're fairly easy to replace. Some 1 MB SIMMs will corrupt the EEPROM for some reason. I mention this, because I'd hate for someone to find one and then discard it thinking it is dead when it is easily fixable. Oh, and there is a port on the side that looks like it is for a VGA monitor, only hooking a monitor to it will kill the power supply. It's just one diode, and the thing will still run off of battery power (I think), so that's pretty easily fixable too, except that the power supply (the internal bit) is a pain to get to. Oh, one last thing. Let me reemphasize that the Outbound Laptop is a fairly different animal from the Outbound Notebooks. The stuff I wrote is about the Laptop. I don't have a Notebook. Jeff Walther -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:43:45 -0500 From: Mycroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've not followed all of this discussion, and it would be great to have one, but I did run across a link to an Outbound User's Group: http://surf.to/outbound/ There doesn't actually seem to be any User Group to that link though. The guy who runs the site is a former Outbound employee and he's a nice guy who will answer questions and help out, but I've never found any feature to allow members to converse amongst themselves. It would really be more accurate to call it an Outbound Support Site. Jeff Walther -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
From: Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) I just joined the list. Are there are any Outbound owners/users here? Hey, happy to see you here! Wish I had an Outbound, myself. Hi Cameron. It's a pleasant surprise to find you here. Jeff -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:29:40 EDT What's an Outbound? Back in the early nineties (late 80's?) Outbound made unlicensed Mac clones by scavenging ROMs from existing Macintoshes. All the clones they made were laptop and notebook models. They had some very cool features. The Laptop Model 125 ran a 15 MHz 68000 which was comparable to Apple's Mac Portable. But the 125 only weighed 9 lbs where the portable weighed 16 lbs. I don't know what the starting list price for the 125 was, but list on the Apple Portable was $6,500. On the other hand, the Apple Portable had that nice active matrix screen (125 was passive) and, I think, longer battery life. But the 125 used standard Camcorder batteries, so for the difference in price and weight, you could carry a few extra charged batteries for the 125. The 125 could only have either a hard drive or a floppy drive installed internally, but here was an external floppy, making it similar to the PowerBook 100 before the PB100 came out. But, the 125 could dock via cable with the Compact Mac from which the ROMs were scavenged, giving you two monitors (albeit, small ones) and access to the Compact Mac's ports. I'm still looking for one of the docking cards, or to borrow one long enough so that I can copy it. The 125 also has a cool detachable IR keyboard which has a very nice feel to it. And there's a port on the keyboard into which you can plug a PS2 mouse. Often overlooked is the Silicon Disk feature. The 125 has four extra 30 pin SIMM slots inside (8 total). The four extras are solely for a silicon disk. So, if you could install up to 16 MB of RAM in the four extra slots and have a 16 MB RAM disk on the machine. When shut down, the battery maintained it's contents and there was a back-up battery to allow you to change the main battery without losing the Silicon Disk contents. Having the OS and applications on the Silicon Disk made the 125 very fast. The link Dave R (Hi, Dave!) put up covers the Outbound Notebook, but not the earlier Laptop 125. The Laptop 125 is described in more detail here: http://www.applefritter.com/macclones/outbound/laptop/ EveryMac says they were only around from 91 - 92 but I could swear they were around longer than that. But that was a long time ago, so maybe the period during which I saw all those ads in MacUser and MacWorld seems longer than it was. EveryMac also says that the PB100 put them out of business, but it wasn't just the PB100. The PB100 could outcompete the Outbound Laptop, but the Outbound Notebooks had 68030 processors and were as light as a normal notebook. It was the whole line of first PBs that ran them out of business. I know they were around before the PowerBooks, and they lasted about six months to a year after PowerBooks were introduced. The Outbound actually had some advantages over the first PowerBooks (less expensive, standard expansion of RAM/hard drive) but they just couldn't compete in users' minds with the sleek PB 100/140 and 170. MacUser and MacWorld of that era had ads from Outbound doing a tabular comparison of the Outbound models to the PowerBooks and showing how the Outbounds were a better buy. The notebook computer in the movie Single White Female is an Outbound. Jeff Walther -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
Jeff, That's a real interesting unit. Never seen an Outbound before of any version. I suppose it will probably become a collector's item one of these days, especially w/ that IR link. It's also interesting that http://www.everymac.com does not list 'every mac' after all. Dave -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
Thanks for the OutBound info. Interesting, the business side of it, too. Tagg -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
Fascinating. Yes, it makes me wish I had one of these hanging about in the basement. If anyone comes across an available one, do please post the news. Sometimes these sorts of machines are left in trash heaps at big places like universities, but I didn't know of any the last time our U purged one of its departments. It used to be an all-Mac campus; now, sadly, that's changing. Aly (University of Kansas) Jeff Walther wrote: Back in the early nineties (late 80's?) Outbound made unlicensed Mac clones by scavenging ROMs from existing Macintoshes. All the clones they made were laptop and notebook models. They had some very cool features. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
I've not followed all of this discussion, and it would be great to have one, but I did run across a link to an Outbound User's Group: http://surf.to/outbound/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Outbound
I just joined the list. Are there are any Outbound owners/users here? I don't have any Outbound questions, I just wonder if there's some place where they gather electronically. I have several Outbound Model 125 Laptops. Jeff Walther -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
At 3:22 AM -0500 8/10/02, Jeff Walther wrote: I just joined the list. Are there are any Outbound owners/users here? I don't have any Outbound questions, I just wonder if there's some place where they gather electronically. I have several Outbound Model 125 Laptops. I have a 25 Mhz 2030, which I'm intending to sell very soon. Too many laptops! I'm not aware of any lists for them, though. Paul They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, 1759. For insomnia, http://www.kgoam810.com/ For news: http://lists.alternet.org/headlines -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
I just joined the list. Are there are any Outbound owners/users here? Hey, happy to see you here! Wish I had an Outbound, myself. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You cannot have a science without measurement. -- R. W. Hamming -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Outbound
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