Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-16 Thread Erich Zechar 


On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Jeff Hubatka wrote:


What's gone is seeing System 7 or 8 with OSX. You can still see OSX  
from System 7 or 8.


Alternate that works for me with my 540c and iMac G4 and TiBook and  
Pismo:


Create a new user on the G4. I have users for all my computer names.
Make sure that you change permissions on the Drop Box so that  
anyone (you) can put files in there. Maybe make an alias of it on  
your desktop.

Find out the IP address of the G4 (System Preferences/Network/TCP-IP)
On the 520c, open Chooser. Use the Connect via IP button and type  
in the IP address of the G4. In the connection box, connect as  
whatever new user and password you just created. Now you'll be able  
to see the Drop Box in that user's Home folder. Open that and  
you're sharing files.
It's an extra step to copy a file into the Drop Box, but that's the  
free way of doing things. Shareway IP just cut their price in about  
half when they learned that OSX could no longer connect via AFP/AT,  
expecting a lot of new customers from the LEM-users out there.



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and remove all doubt."

(Abraham Lincoln)




Thanks for this simple and elegant solution. I can't justify spending  
$29 to do all this, but it's worth holding on to my old book if I can  
do the simple things free.


Erich



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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread Jeff Hubatka 

On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:16 PM, PowerBooks wrote:


Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:30:00 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 520c connectivity problems

At 01:12 PM -0400 06/15/2005, Erich Zechar wrote:


On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



You need to connect via IP address, Appletalk was dropped in 10.4.
You'll need (iirc) Appleshare client 3.7 or better on the 520. This
means you have to initiate the connection from the 520c and know
the IP address of the iMac.

You can get Shareway IP from Open Door networks, but that's
expensive. This is what Apple bundled with OS 9 to get IP file
sharing. <http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/>




So, do I need a router or something to do this? I've been doing it
with just a crossover cable, looks like I may have to finally spring
for a router to get the job done. Someone else suggested using FTP
to do it, but I have no idea how to set my 520c up for a broadband
connection.

Also, where do I look to see what version Appleshare I have on the
520? And how would I upgrade that? I'm not going to spring for any
expensive programs to get this to work, since I don't intend on
spending any money on this old clunker. Just trying to beat it into
usage.



This issue has nothing to do with routing.  The cross-over cable is
just fine.  Thru it, you can provid perfectly usable connectivity via
AppleTalk and TCP/IP.

This problem is with the higher-level protocol you're using to do the
file sharing.

Your 520c currently only knows how to share files via AFP/AT.

The Mac running Tiger no longer speaks AFP/AT.  It knows only AFP/IP
or FTP or SMB.

To add AFP/IP to the 520c, you need to either upgrade the OS or add a
(software) $product such as Shareway IP (a commercial version of
AFP/IP).

If you don't want to upgrade the 520c, the easiest solution would
probably be to turn on the ftp server in Tiger (OS X's Help mechanism
has how-to info) then use an FTP client such as Anarchie or Fetch on
the 520c.

- Dan.


What's gone is seeing System 7 or 8 with OSX. You can still see OSX  
from System 7 or 8.


Alternate that works for me with my 540c and iMac G4 and TiBook and  
Pismo:


Create a new user on the G4. I have users for all my computer names.
Make sure that you change permissions on the Drop Box so that anyone  
(you) can put files in there. Maybe make an alias of it on your desktop.

Find out the IP address of the G4 (System Preferences/Network/TCP-IP)
On the 520c, open Chooser. Use the Connect via IP button and type in  
the IP address of the G4. In the connection box, connect as whatever  
new user and password you just created. Now you'll be able to see the  
Drop Box in that user's Home folder. Open that and you're sharing files.
It's an extra step to copy a file into the Drop Box, but that's the  
free way of doing things. Shareway IP just cut their price in about  
half when they learned that OSX could no longer connect via AFP/AT,  
expecting a lot of new customers from the LEM-users out there.



---
JSH
TiBook
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and  
remove all doubt."

(Abraham Lincoln)


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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread Wanda K. 
on 6/15/05 10:23 AM, Erich Zechar at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 10.4.1
that's the problem
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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread darm0k 

At 01:12 PM -0400 06/15/2005, Erich Zechar wrote:

On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


You need to connect via IP address, Appletalk was dropped in 10.4. 
You'll need (iirc) Appleshare client 3.7 or better on the 520. This 
means you have to initiate the connection from the 520c and know 
the IP address of the iMac.


You can get Shareway IP from Open Door networks, but that's 
expensive. This is what Apple bundled with OS 9 to get IP file 
sharing. 




So, do I need a router or something to do this? I've been doing it 
with just a crossover cable, looks like I may have to finally spring 
for a router to get the job done. Someone else suggested using FTP 
to do it, but I have no idea how to set my 520c up for a broadband 
connection.


Also, where do I look to see what version Appleshare I have on the 
520? And how would I upgrade that? I'm not going to spring for any 
expensive programs to get this to work, since I don't intend on 
spending any money on this old clunker. Just trying to beat it into 
usage.


This issue has nothing to do with routing.  The cross-over cable is 
just fine.  Thru it, you can provid perfectly usable connectivity via 
AppleTalk and TCP/IP.


This problem is with the higher-level protocol you're using to do the 
file sharing.


Your 520c currently only knows how to share files via AFP/AT.

The Mac running Tiger no longer speaks AFP/AT.  It knows only AFP/IP 
or FTP or SMB.


To add AFP/IP to the 520c, you need to either upgrade the OS or add a 
(software) $product such as Shareway IP (a commercial version of 
AFP/IP).


If you don't want to upgrade the 520c, the easiest solution would 
probably be to turn on the ftp server in Tiger (OS X's Help mechanism 
has how-to info) then use an FTP client such as Anarchie or Fetch on 
the 520c.


- Dan.

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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread Fluxstringer 

On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


You need to connect via IP address, Appletalk was dropped in 10.4. 
You'll need (iirc) Appleshare client 3.7 or better on the 520. This 
means you have to initiate the connection from the 520c and know 
the IP address of the iMac.


You can get Shareway IP from Open Door networks, but that's 
expensive. This is what Apple bundled with OS 9 to get IP file 
sharing. 




So, do I need a router or something to do this? I've been doing it 
with just a crossover cable, looks like I may have to finally spring 
for a router to get the job done. Someone else suggested using FTP 
to  do it, but I have no idea how to set my 520c up for a broadband 
connection.


Also, where do I look to see what version Appleshare I have on the 
520? And how would I upgrade that? I'm not going to spring for any 
expensive programs to get this to work, since I don't intend on 
spending any money on this old clunker. Just trying to beat it into 
usage.



__

From what Bruce said I don't deduce the need for a router. Only some 
bit of software to get the IP  sharing ability. And with some 
investigation you may find it cheap or even free.

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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread darm0k 

At 09:54 AM -0700 06/15/2005, Bruce Johnson wrote:


You need to connect via IP address, Appletalk was dropped in 10.4.


Just to clarify:

AppleTalk itself is present, in Tiger, in its entirety, except for 
the actual AFP/AT interface module.  You can still use all the other 
AppleTalk services, routing mechanisms, etc, even printer sharing.


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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread darm0k 

At 11:23 AM -0400 06/15/2005, Erich Zechar wrote:
My 520c and iMac G4 will not interface via Appletalk anymore. I get 
an error message when I connect the two using an ethernet crossover 
cable that says "This file server uses an incompatible version of 
the AFP protocol. You cannot connect to it."


I was able to use Appletalk to connect the two when I was running 
10.2.8, but now that I'm on 10.4.1, I can't seem to make it happen.


Right.  Apple has eliminated standard AFP/AT (Apple Filing Protocol 
over AppleTalk) from Tiger.  Only AFP/IP (AFP over IP) and FTP and 
SMB are available now.  This makes OS X incompatible with all Macs 
running OS 8.x and earlier.


Apple's official solution is to either install OS 9.0 or later (which 
has AFP/IP), or to purchase ShareWay IP (a 3rd party extension that 
adds AFP/IP to older systems).


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301183

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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread Erich Zechar 


On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


You need to connect via IP address, Appletalk was dropped in 10.4.  
You'll need (iirc) Appleshare client 3.7 or better on the 520. This  
means you have to initiate the connection from the 520c and know  
the IP address of the iMac.


You can get Shareway IP from Open Door networks, but that's  
expensive. This is what Apple bundled with OS 9 to get IP file  
sharing. 




So, do I need a router or something to do this? I've been doing it  
with just a crossover cable, looks like I may have to finally spring  
for a router to get the job done. Someone else suggested using FTP to  
do it, but I have no idea how to set my 520c up for a broadband  
connection.


Also, where do I look to see what version Appleshare I have on the  
520? And how would I upgrade that? I'm not going to spring for any  
expensive programs to get this to work, since I don't intend on  
spending any money on this old clunker. Just trying to beat it into  
usage.


EZ

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Re: 520c connectivity problems

2005-06-15 Thread Bruce Johnson 


On Jun 15, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Erich Zechar wrote:

My 520c and iMac G4 will not interface via Appletalk anymore. I get  
an error message when I connect the two using an ethernet crossover  
cable that says "This file server uses an incompatible version of  
the AFP protocol. You cannot connect to it."


I was able to use Appletalk to connect the two when I was running  
10.2.8, but now that I'm on 10.4.1, I can't seem to make it happen.


You need to connect via IP address, Appletalk was dropped in 10.4.  
You'll need (iirc) Appleshare client 3.7 or better on the 520. This  
means you have to initiate the connection from the 520c and know the  
IP address of the iMac.


You can get Shareway IP from Open Door networks, but that's  
expensive. This is what Apple bundled with OS 9 to get IP file  
sharing. 



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