Re: Mail seems to have repetions of content

[Marlyse Comte]

>Here is part of that full header of that email:
>>Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-949890648 
>and here is one from the person who never does the echo:
>>Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII

Quite obvious to me that the 'multipart/alternative' is the cause for the
echo emails.

---marlyse

Re: Mail seems to have repetions of content

[Wayne Brissette]

Midi [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 stated:

>That is interesting. I can believe it between my two correspondents; but
>the email I quoted was to a list with very strict rules on html email. 
>
>Here is part of that full header of that email:

>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552)
>Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-949890648
>
>and here is one from the person who never does the echo:

>Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

Notice how one is sent in plain text (Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit),
while the other is set to multipart (Content-type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=Apple-Mail-2-949890648)? the question is whose problem is this?
is PM doing something strange when it strips the multipart, or is it the
way Apple Mail encodes the message? Million dollar question that I won't
pretend to know the answer to.

Wayne

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Re: Mail seems to have repetions of content

[Midi]

That is interesting. I can believe it between my two correspondents; but
the email I quoted was to a list with very strict rules on html email. 

Here is part of that full header of that email:

Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552)
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552)
Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-949890648

and here is one from the person who never does the echo:

Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551)
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551)
Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

Midi

Michael caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with:

>My guess is that they have it set to send HTML or Rich Text Format mail
>which often sends two versions of the email: RTF version and a text
>version for folks who have email clients that don't do HTML/RTF mail or
>in which they turn off HTML mail. Something in the formatting, some
>command or line PowerMail expects to see to format properly, shows both
>versions instead of showing just one. I receive other mail which shows me
>text with the HTML/RTF version hidden/attached as is supposed to be done,
>so I put the blame on Mail.

Re: Mail seems to have repetions of content

[Andy Fragen]

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003, Midi said:

>c. something in Mail.

I find that happens when someone sends me rich text email. The rich text
mail comes with a plain text part and PM strips the rich text enhancement
so you end up seeing 2 plain text parts.
-- 
Andy Fragen

Re: Mail seems to have repetions of content

[Michael Lewis]

Midi sez:

>I am wondering if it is: 
>
>a. an interaction of PowerMail and Mail 
>b. an interaction of Mail with the outgoing or incoming server
>c. something in Mail.

I pick c. I get tons of mail from all sorts of clients, but only Mail
users send me what I've termed "echomail". The reason I don't believe it
is a PowerMail issue is because several of these Mail users can send me
normal mail -- in fact, it often changes from time to time for whatever
reason.

My guess is that they have it set to send HTML or Rich Text Format mail
which often sends two versions of the email: RTF version and a text
version for folks who have email clients that don't do HTML/RTF mail or
in which they turn off HTML mail. Something in the formatting, some
command or line PowerMail expects to see to format properly, shows both
versions instead of showing just one. I receive other mail which shows me
text with the HTML/RTF version hidden/attached as is supposed to be done,
so I put the blame on Mail.

Check the header of the message you quoted.

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

Mail seems to have repetions of content

[Midi]

I am quoting the whole email because that is the only way to see the
issue. Notice that the content of the email is repeated and that the
repetition is merged with the signature line.

I use PowerMail, not Mail, and have noticed this with email coming from a
regular correspondent who uses Mail - all the time. (I have another
regular correspondent using Mail whose email never has this problem.) It
is really annoying when the email is long; when it is short like this
one, it isn't so bad as you see what is happening right a way. 

As both my correspondent and Thomas could be assumed to be somewhat savy
computer users, I am wondering if it is: 

a. an interaction of PowerMail and Mail 
b. an interaction of Mail with the outgoing or incoming server
c. something in Mail.

In all cases I am receiving the mail with my mac.com address. My ISP is
Earthlink. 

Midi

Thomas caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with:

>This is the closing sentence from this article: 
>http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,59381-2,00.html
>
>He continued, "From a designer's point of view, it's not an appearance 
>game we're playing. It is very utilitarian. It's the use of material in 
>a very minimalist way."
>
>Read more about why he made this statement!!
>
>
>Thomas A. DiBenedetto
>Apple Product Professional
>**
>Work is easier with a Mac!This is the closing sentence from this article:
>http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,59381-2,00.html
>
>He continued, "From a designer's point of view, it's not an appearance
>game we're playing. It is very utilitarian. It's the use of material in a
>very minimalist way." 
>
>Read more about why he made this statement!!
>
>
>Thomas A. DiBenedetto
>Apple Product Professional
>**
>Work is easier with a Mac!

Re: powermail-discuss Digest #1536 - 06/25/03

[Bill Stecher]

re printer problems:

Using MacOS 9.2.2 on two different computers [Powerbook G3 Bronze and a
G4], and using two different printers [Canon BJC 55 and Epson 740], I
usually can't highlight received mail for copying or to print. However,
if I make a "reply to sender" document, I can do both. Then that can be
trashed. So it must be a property of the Powermail 4.1.3 software.

Bill Stecher
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>--
>End of powermail-discuss Digest
>

Re: printing question

[Robert Price]

Appreciate the input - responses within Tim's email below.

>Hi Robert,
>
>There are two issues to look at: printer drivers and the error msg itself.
>
>I might have missed this in subsequent posts but you don't say which 5000
>(proper, N, DN, LE) you have or what type of printer it is (laser, ink,
>desk,...) so I'll assume it the the HP LaserJet 5000 proper.  The current
>info on printer drivers for the HP LaserJet 5000 is as follows:
>
>  name:  hp LaserJet monochrome printing software and utility
>  type:  Driver
>  version:   1.31
>  release date:  2003-4-2
>  operating system:  Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X
Using Laserjet 5000n
Downloaded and installed above updated software.

>
>The second issue is the error message.  According to HP's web site, the
>79.00FE message has been reported on the HP 5000 printer among others in
>conjunction with Adobe InDesign.  The simplest solution listed was to
>export to PDF and print that.  Perhaps something in the 4.x PowerMail is
>triggering the same flaw.  For more info, check out:
>
>  
Appreciate the link. Interesting I use Indesign and had not had a problem
(nor had I tried to print doing the same thing that caused the problem
with Indesign as outlined on the hp.com website). No obvious link with
the PM problem other than an example of an isolated problem and giving a
workaround ...

>
>I would first try the updated drivers then the PDF option.
PDF works and has been another workaround - and with all the above done
and same problem still there (79.00FE message), will need to continue
with the PDF and using the epson (also wireless) workarounds.

>
>You should also know that the HP 5000 is reported as a discontinued
>product on their website.
>
>Finally, I would add the following bit of experience I and others have
>had with HP products and Macs as of late.  Their much vaunted reputation
>of reliability, ease of configuration and use has taken quite a beating.
> Witness the problems with the HP 1200 line and Mac OS X.  Not pretty I
>assure you.  Also, when questioned regarding their support of Macs in
>general, I have found it to be lukewarm at best.
>
>Now I own not one but two HP printers: HP 990 and a rebadged HP 870
>(stylewriter 6500) and both work fine.  Still, I would no longer
>automatically choose HP anymore.  I would look long and hard at the
>competition, even with laser printers.
>
>Hope this helps.
>--
>Tim Lapin
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
Robert Price
www.eggplant.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>On   Monday, June 23, 2003 at 6:54 PM,   Robert Price   sent forth:
>
>>
>>Printer with problem - HP 5000 using Airport.
>>When trying to print the printer reads:
>>79.00FE
>>Printer Error
>>
>>Printer that works is an Epson via wireless.
>>Mac OX 10.2.6
>>Powermail 4.1.3 (was having same problem with previous 4.0 versions) Have
>>not been able to use the HP5000 printer for several + months). Have
>>replaced application, preferences, printer in Print Center numerous times
>>trying to isolate problem. No change.
>>
>
>

Re: printing question

[Tim Lapin]

On   Monday, June 23, 2003 at 6:54 PM,   Robert Price   sent forth:

>
>Printer with problem - HP 5000 using Airport.
>When trying to print the printer reads:
>79.00FE
>Printer Error
>
>Printer that works is an Epson via wireless.
>Mac OX 10.2.6
>Powermail 4.1.3 (was having same problem with previous 4.0 versions) Have
>not been able to use the HP5000 printer for several + months). Have
>replaced application, preferences, printer in Print Center numerous times
>trying to isolate problem. No change.
>

Hi Robert,

There are two issues to look at: printer drivers and the error msg itself.

I might have missed this in subsequent posts but you don't say which 5000
(proper, N, DN, LE) you have or what type of printer it is (laser, ink,
desk,...) so I'll assume it the the HP LaserJet 5000 proper.  The current
info on printer drivers for the HP LaserJet 5000 is as follows:

  name:  hp LaserJet monochrome printing software and utility
  type:  Driver
  version:   1.31
  release date:  2003-4-2
  operating system:  Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X

The second issue is the error message.  According to HP's web site, the
79.00FE message has been reported on the HP 5000 printer among others in
conjunction with Adobe InDesign.  The simplest solution listed was to
export to PDF and print that.  Perhaps something in the 4.x PowerMail is
triggering the same flaw.  For more info, check out:

  

I would first try the updated drivers then the PDF option.

You should also know that the HP 5000 is reported as a discontinued
product on their website.

Finally, I would add the following bit of experience I and others have
had with HP products and Macs as of late.  Their much vaunted reputation
of reliability, ease of configuration and use has taken quite a beating.
 Witness the problems with the HP 1200 line and Mac OS X.  Not pretty I
assure you.  Also, when questioned regarding their support of Macs in
general, I have found it to be lukewarm at best.

Now I own not one but two HP printers: HP 990 and a rebadged HP 870
(stylewriter 6500) and both work fine.  Still, I would no longer
automatically choose HP anymore.  I would look long and hard at the
competition, even with laser printers.

Hope this helps.
--
Tim Lapin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Login problem

[Leslie Burkholder]

Can anyone help me with the following login problem?

I attempt to connect to my pop account. I can't. I get:
"Login error...Removing root credentials would break the rpc services that."

This is a first try at using the time-limited version of powermail. This
happens with powermail 3.x and 4.x. I'm running MacOS 9.2. Did I set
something incorrectly?

Leslie Burkholder
Department Philosophy UBC
Vancouver V6T1Z1 Canada
Phone 604 822 4836  Fax 604 822 8782
Homepage www.philosophy.ubc.ca/faculty/burkholder/

Re: powermail-discuss Printing Problem

[Robert Price]

Thank you for your input Michael. Notes below from you input.

>In your original message you say PM prints fine to your epson printer but
>not to your HP. However everything else seems to print fine to both printers.
>
>This seems a little odd to me, but I'm curious about a couple of things.
>I'm assuming if you can print from PM to the Epson, you can also print to
>a PDF Preview document? try it and see (choose to print, then click the
>"preview" or "save to pdf" button at the bottom of the print dialog...
>maybe try both.)
Have used this and does work fine - i.e. PDF preview document

>
>If this fails, then there is something wrong in Postscript rendering to
>the print device. It MIGHT be PM's fault, but I've never had such a
>problem myself. If it succeeds, it COULD still be postscript rendering:
>It COULD be in the HP driver or just PM's reaction with the HP driver.
Was working (the HP) several+ months ago with previous version of PM.

>
>Another test would be to switch your HP's driver to the Generic
>Postscript driver and see if PM prints fine to it. If it does, then it's
>definitely how PM is playing with HP. Whether that is a PM or HP support
>issue, I don't know, though.
Have used the generic and specific with the HP - same results. Have even
tried different paper formats (tabloid, letter, legal, etc.) and cassette
trays.

>
>The upshot of these tests is you'll narrow the trouble a bit more,
>hopefully, so we can pinpoint if there is programming issues or maybe a
>reinstall of printer drivers or a new driver or trashing prefs or
>anything might help.
Have trashed prefs numerous times.
Will give a go at reinstalling the printer drivers.

>
>-- 
>Michael Lewis
>Off Balance Productions
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>www.offbalance.com
>

-- 
Robert Price
www.eggplant.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Robert Price sez:
>
>>When I was originally having this problem several months ago I wrote
>>PowerMail support several times. I received an initial reponse (no case
>>number), but I did not receive any more responses with my follow-ups.
>>Could say a bit disappointing. As a consultant who works around the
>>states and who has often recommended PowerMail over the past several
>>years, this was of concern. Several other things took precedence and put
>>the problem to the side (and could use the epson printer that was
>>working), but now with time I thought I'd try via the discussion group as
>>other than this problem the software has been fine.
>>
>>Thank you. 
>>
>>-- 
>>Robert Price
>>www.eggplant.org
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: powermail-discuss Printing Problem

[Michael Lewis]

Robert Price sez:

>When I was originally having this problem several months ago I wrote
>PowerMail support several times. I received an initial reponse (no case
>number), but I did not receive any more responses with my follow-ups.
>Could say a bit disappointing. As a consultant who works around the
>states and who has often recommended PowerMail over the past several
>years, this was of concern. Several other things took precedence and put
>the problem to the side (and could use the epson printer that was
>working), but now with time I thought I'd try via the discussion group as
>other than this problem the software has been fine.
>
>Thank you. 
>
>-- 
>Robert Price
>www.eggplant.org
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

In your original message you say PM prints fine to your epson printer but
not to your HP. However everything else seems to print fine to both printers.

This seems a little odd to me, but I'm curious about a couple of things.
I'm assuming if you can print from PM to the Epson, you can also print to
a PDF Preview document? try it and see (choose to print, then click the
"preview" or "save to pdf" button at the bottom of the print dialog...
maybe try both.)

If this fails, then there is something wrong in Postscript rendering to
the print device. It MIGHT be PM's fault, but I've never had such a
problem myself. If it succeeds, it COULD still be postscript rendering:
It COULD be in the HP driver or just PM's reaction with the HP driver.

Another test would be to switch your HP's driver to the Generic
Postscript driver and see if PM prints fine to it. If it does, then it's
definitely how PM is playing with HP. Whether that is a PM or HP support
issue, I don't know, though.

The upshot of these tests is you'll narrow the trouble a bit more,
hopefully, so we can pinpoint if there is programming issues or maybe a
reinstall of printer drivers or a new driver or trashing prefs or
anything might help.

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com

Re: powermail-discuss Printing Problem

[Robert Price]

When I was originally having this problem several months ago I wrote
PowerMail support several times. I received an initial reponse (no case
number), but I did not receive any more responses with my follow-ups.
Could say a bit disappointing. As a consultant who works around the
states and who has often recommended PowerMail over the past several
years, this was of concern. Several other things took precedence and put
the problem to the side (and could use the epson printer that was
working), but now with time I thought I'd try via the discussion group as
other than this problem the software has been fine.

Thank you. 

-- 
Robert Price
www.eggplant.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Robert Price on 6/24/03 said
>
>>Have restarted many times and has not changed the results. Thank you.
>
>If your computer prints fine with everything else and the only thing it
>doesn't print with is PowerMail, I think I'd write to PM itself. In the
>help menu there is a choice Send a Message to Power Mail Support which if
>used gives you a case number
>
>-- 
>Barbara Needham
>

Re: sending with .mac account

[Midi]

I frequently get the message "no smtp server on mac.com" and wait a few
minutes then select the item and "send mail" and it all works. There was
quite a long message on .mac last Friday about their problems. You can
check the status of the system by going to the web and selecting support. 

Midi

Karel caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with:

>The last few days I cannot send messages through my .mac account.
>I am not sure whether it is a problem with .mac or with me.
>I get the message: 'no smtp server at smtp.mac.com'
>For as I know I didn't change any settings at my 'mail accounts' (At
>least not deliberately ;-))
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Karel
>
>(Using PM 4.1.3 on OS 10.2.6 and treating my .mac as POP3 --I don't like
>IMAP) 
>
>
>
>

Re: Safari rendering?

[Chris Walker]

Hi Rick: 

>could you tell us what criteria you use for reliably identifying HTML
>mails via Filters? I'd love to know.

Other field Content-Type contains text/html  AND from is not in address book

This does seem to work for me since virtually all of my correspondents
use text only, so this also works as a spam filter.  Where I do get
problems is with multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative and variations
thereof.  Not sure how these multipart msgs are formed, unless its a
byproduct of MIME encoding.  For these I use similar criteria to the
above except content type contains multipart/whatever.

These filters come immediately after my 'normal' filters which sort
mailing list stuff and so on.

Millennium wrote: 

>It would be 
>nice if a only certain subset of HTML could be supported (B, I, A, and 
>maybe a small subset of CSS; no tables, images, objects, or positioning 
>though) 
Much as that seems a good idea I doubt it will ever happen...

cheers
Chris
G4/400 OS 9.2.2 Intl

Re: sending with .mac account

[Scott at HobbyLink Japan]

>The last few days I cannot send messages through my .mac account.
>I am not sure whether it is a problem with .mac or with me.
>I get the message: 'no smtp server at smtp.mac.com'
>For as I know I didn't change any settings at my 'mail accounts' (At
>least not deliberately ;-))
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Karel

.mac has had widespread problems in the past few weeks with their mail
service and servers.I wouldn't be surprised if this is related to
that.  Many of the Mac support sites (www.macintouch.com, etc.) have news
items about this.

---

Scott T. Hards
President
HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)

sending with .mac account

[Karel Gillissen]

The last few days I cannot send messages through my .mac account.
I am not sure whether it is a problem with .mac or with me.
I get the message: 'no smtp server at smtp.mac.com'
For as I know I didn't change any settings at my 'mail accounts' (At
least not deliberately ;-))

Any suggestions?

Karel

(Using PM 4.1.3 on OS 10.2.6 and treating my .mac as POP3 --I don't like
IMAP) 

Re: powermail-discuss Printing Problem

[Barbara Needham]

Robert Price on 6/24/03 said

>Have restarted many times and has not changed the results. Thank you.

If your computer prints fine with everything else and the only thing it
doesn't print with is PowerMail, I think I'd write to PM itself. In the
help menu there is a choice Send a Message to Power Mail Support which if
used gives you a case number

-- 
Barbara Needham

Re: powermail-discuss Printing Problem

[Robert Price]

Have restarted many times and has not changed the results. Thank you.

-- 
Robert Price
www.eggplant.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>Appreciate the response. Have had the same occurrence (large number out
>>of range), but is not the problem as have always adjusted and my HP
>>printer still doesn't print (only with PM) and my Epson does (with PM and
>>all other applications).
>>
>>So any other ideas would be greatly welcomed. Thank you.
>
>I had this experience once with PM and occasionally with other
>applications.  What seems to work for me is to do a Restart (not Logout/
>in).  This was with an Epson C80 and OS 10.2.3.  Let us know what
>worked.--Ira 
>

Re: Safari rendering?

[Scott at HobbyLink Japan]

>could you tell us what criteria you use for reliably identifying HTML
>mails via Filters? I'd love to know.

Other field...  Content-Type  contains  "HTML"

Works great for me.

---

Scott T. Hards
President
HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)