Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Don V. Zahniser

When running under 8.6, does the HTML viewer even work?  I have my
Powerbook 1400 set up with two boot partitions, one for 8.6 and one for
9.1.  I _think_ I recall that when I first tried Powermail under 8.6, the
HTML viewer wouldn't work (or maybe it didn't work right).  I copied the
HTMLRenderingLib from my 9.1 partition, and everything worked fine from there.

For running Powermail without automatically viewing HTML content, here
are some relevant settings:

Under Edit/Preferences/HTML reader, you can check 'Enable HTML reader',
but leave the choices for 'Prefer HTML when plain text is available' and
'Download external pictures if connected' _un_checked.  This will allow
you to see the message content if a sender of HTML messages is kind
enough to include plain text (without rendering the HTML), and will also
not load images on HTML messages, which is one way to suppress a possible
security risk.

BTW - If you are using iCab as your default browser, and want to view
HTML messages from Powermail, make sure that the iCab preferences are set
to have iCab deal with the FILE protocol.  Otherwise, iCab will open to a
blank window. 

-- 
Don V. Zahniser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm running OS 8.6 on a Power Computing Clone.





[ANN] PowerMail 4.2 public beta now available

2003-08-09 Thread PowerMail info

Greetings,

We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 4.2
public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from:

==
http://www.powermailtech.com/pm4.2b1.sit
==

This has been extensively tested both in-house and by devoted external
testers; nevertheless, please see read this text entirely in order to use
this non-final software efficiently and responsibly, thank you.


What's new in the PowerMail 4.2 public beta (from version 4.1.3)


- Now includes entirely new CTM FoxTrot(TM) high-speed search technology;
benefits over previous PowerMail releases include:
* Ultra-fast indexing and searching: benchmarks show performance gains
ranging from 300% to over 500%
* Instant on-the-fly indexing upon fetching messages
* New extensible search user interface with combinable fields - similar
to Panther's Finder searches
* Supports the following search criteriae:
  - Entire message content
  - Subject
  - Body
  - From
  - To
  - From or To
  - other message attributes:
- Date sent [range]
- Date received [range]
- Label
- Account 
* Supports the following combinable search operators:
  - Ability to restrict searches to subject, to, from or body
  - Includes all of the words
  - Includes exact phrase
  - Includes at least one of the words
  - Does not include the words
  - matches the search pattern (advanced mode):
- Search literal (ie: the quick brown fox)
- Search words starting with (ie: quick brown f* )
- Omit words (ie: quick brown -shoe -typewriter)
- OR searches (ie: quick|rapid|fast brown fox)
* Offers colored hiliting of search results in a message's body
* Other improvements over previous searching in PowerMail 3 and 4:
  - Gets rid of all former Lady errors
  - Background indexing now fully reliable on Mac OS X
  - Numbers are now indexed
  - Supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean properly (entirely based on Unicode)
  - Most of the re-indexing process occurs in a background thread,
allowing simultaneous work in the application (this used to only be true
for updating the index)

* FILTERING can now also occur based on a message's content (notably
useful for creating customizeable built-in spam filters)

* IMAP SEARCHES now possible and very fast due to indexing of the local
IMAP cache (once connected, the search dialog will allow restricting
searches to the selected IMAP mailboxes)

* Still supports Mac OS X, Mac OS 9 and even 8.6

* Now compatible with the Panther (Mac OS X 10.3) preview builds

[Note: this test version is currently not localized in French, Japanese,
Dutch or German; these translations will be included in the final 4.2
version.]

---
4 steps to better searching - how to install:
---

1. Make a backup of your current PowerMail files folder. Although we are
confident enough to use this software on our own main databases, keep in
mind that PowerMail 4.2b1 will make changes to your current databases
which will no longer be readable by 4.1.3. As with any pre-release
software, use it at your own risk.

2. Install PowerMail 4.2b1 and launch it; as a default, a fresh folder
named PowerMail files 4.2 will be created in your User folder. If you
wish to convert a copy of your 4.1 database (see point 2 above), use
Switch user environments in the Database submenu of the File menu

3. After converting your database and deleting your now-obsolete V-Twin
indexes, PowerMail should automatically begin the indexing process. If
for some reason you wish to rebuild your index later, you may do so with
the Rebuild Indexes item of the Database submenu of the File menu

4. Once the index is complete, start searching ! Compare former search
results and performance, and please discuss your findings either:
- on the PowerMail discussion list
- using the Send a message to PowerMail support option in the Help menu
of registered versions
- if needed, by private post to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We are especially interested in possible crash logs with the situations
that might have lead to them, are also of interest.

Thanks in advance, and kind regards,

The PowerMail development team




Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread The Internet Deity HaTMooL

Okay, ready for this? I had to go to Setup Accounts and select my
default signature there. When I selected Random Text Signature as my
default signature under Accounts, I got the signature line where I
wanted it, when this reply was initially created.

Go figure.

However, with that configured as the default, I can't use the pull-down
menu in the message window to change this signature if I'd like to.

-- HaTMooL

Boot error: keyboard not found.  Press F1 to continue.

-- Kelly Washington

Don V. Zahniser pontificated:

I am using Mac OS 9.1 -

In this reply (which I used for testing):

When I first start a reply, and have the preference for default location
of the signature set to 'Before quoted text', that's where my default
signature goes.

If, while in the body of my reply, I choose a different signature, it
replaces the default signature.

If I put the cursor into the quoted text, and choose a different
signature, it again replaces the previous signature at its original location.

If I choose 'No text signature', my previous signature is erased.

After choosing 'No text signature', any signature that I chose went to
the _bottom_ of the note.

At _no_ time can I change the location of the signature to any place
other than just above the quoted text or just after the quoted text.

I _am_ able to create a text clipping with a copy of one of my signatures
and insert it at any place in the note:

--
Don V. Zahniser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Like that!

On Fri, Aug 8, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

here it works correctly. if I have insertion point set to be before
quoted messages, my signature shows also before the quoted text.

also, if I move the cursor in a message some lines up or down and then
select a signature from the popup at the bottom of the window, the
signature shows up exactly where my cursor was.

---marlyse

are you evaluating the latest version of PM?

-former message(s) quotes:-
 2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point,
 signatures appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be
 typing at the top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change
 this?











--

This is a test of the Default Signature Attribute




Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Mark Gerber

There was a time (Sat, Aug 9, 2003 at 12:59 PM) 
when Don said this thing:

I am using Mac OS 9.1 - 

In this reply (which I used for testing):

When I first start a reply, and have the preference for default location
of the signature set to 'Before quoted text', that's where my default
signature goes.
--snip--

Sounds like a contextual menu that added Insert Signature and/or
Insert Text Clipping would do what you're asking.

Mark

Mark Gerber
GERBER STUDIO/Tradigital Illustration
http://www.gerberstudio.com




Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Don V. Zahniser

I am using Mac OS 9.1 - 

In this reply (which I used for testing):

When I first start a reply, and have the preference for default location
of the signature set to 'Before quoted text', that's where my default
signature goes.

If, while in the body of my reply, I choose a different signature, it
replaces the default signature.

If I put the cursor into the quoted text, and choose a different
signature, it again replaces the previous signature at its original location.

If I choose 'No text signature', my previous signature is erased.

After choosing 'No text signature', any signature that I chose went to
the _bottom_ of the note.  

At _no_ time can I change the location of the signature to any place
other than just above the quoted text or just after the quoted text.

I _am_ able to create a text clipping with a copy of one of my signatures
and insert it at any place in the note:

-- 
Don V. Zahniser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Like that!

On Fri, Aug 8, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

here it works correctly. if I have insertion point set to be before
quoted messages, my signature shows also before the quoted text.

also, if I move the cursor in a message some lines up or down and then
select a signature from the popup at the bottom of the window, the
signature shows up exactly where my cursor was.

---marlyse

are you evaluating the latest version of PM?

-former message(s) quotes:-
 2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point,
 signatures appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be
 typing at the top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change
 this?








Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Marlyse Comte

I wonder if your old(er) system is causing the problem -8.6 has been a
little while since - last I used 8.6 something like 4 years ago or even
more (?). Though why that would cause you having problems with the
insertion of signature is above my logic and knowledge.

---marlyse

-former message(s) quotes:-

Version 4.1.3.

I'm running OS 8.6 on a Power Computing Clone.




Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Leonard Morgenstern

On 8/8/03 7:32 PM Ben Kennedy wrote:

(Or, delete the message altogether without reading it since HTML in e-
mail is a bloody annoying scourge and a waste of your time)

I agree that it's always a scourge, and it's a waste of time in 99% of
cases. But there are exceptions. Unfortunately, some e-mail servers have
a setting to send all messages as HTML, and inexperienced users will do
it that way either because they don't know any better, or because they
look prettier. It happened when my granddaughter got her own computer and
started sending me email letters.

Len
-- 

N. Leonard Morgenstern
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've been rich and I've been poor. Believe me, rich is better. Sophie Tucker




Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread The Internet Deity HaTMooL



Marlyse Comte expounded:

here it works correctly. if I have insertion point set to be before
quoted messages, my signature shows also before the quoted text.

also, if I move the cursor in a message some lines up or down and then
select a signature from the popup at the bottom of the window, the
signature shows up exactly where my cursor was.

---marlyse

are you evaluating the latest version of PM?

-former message(s) quotes:-
 2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point,
 signatures appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be
 typing at the top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change
 this?





Version 4.1.3.

I'm running OS 8.6 on a Power Computing Clone.

-- HaTMooL

Boot error: keyboard not found.  Press F1 to continue.

-- Kelly Washington




Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Marlyse Comte

here it works correctly. if I have insertion point set to be before
quoted messages, my signature shows also before the quoted text.

also, if I move the cursor in a message some lines up or down and then
select a signature from the popup at the bottom of the window, the
signature shows up exactly where my cursor was.

---marlyse

are you evaluating the latest version of PM?

-former message(s) quotes:-
 2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point,
 signatures appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be
 typing at the top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change
 this?




Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Marlyse Comte

don't set PM to automatically render html - exactly for this reason. if
you want to see the message rendered, you can click onto the little globe
at the bottom to be taken to your preferred web browser or select 'render
html' from the little popup menu (also at the bottom of an html message).
thus you can safely look at headers all you wish w/o any dangers involved.

---marlyse

original message(s) follows

Ben,

Thus spoke Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, 8 August 2003 at 7:12
AM +1000:

Unlike Microsoft products, PM won't arbitrarily start executing
attachments or javascript code or anything simply by displaying an e-mail
message.

But if you open or render the html, PM will resolve the urls. That is a
privacy problem: it can inform a remote server that the mail has arrived
and an attempt to spam is successful!

hf,

Nick Quinn
Sunshine Beach Software in OZ







Re(2): Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Bob Moody

Workaround on displaying/headers

I use my web browser (Safari, Mac OSX 10.2.6) to go into webmail on my
ISP and look in my mailbox.  I then select all messages.  Then I
unselect the ones I want to keep and click on delete.  No spam ever gets
downloaded, and I can view the messages from within the server mailbox
and see the headers.  The message is still on the server, not on my
machine, so no attachments get downloaded.  If your ISP doesn't have its
own webmail (mine uses Squirrelmail), Pandamail works well.

- 
Bob Moody [EMAIL PROTECTED]
936 Frog Pond Road
Staunton VA 24401
800-326-9192  www.bobmoody.org

Replying to message quoted at the bottom of this message. (Scroll down
below signature lines.)
Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:12:13 -0400

On 08 8 2003 at 5:02 pm -0400, The Internet Deity HaTMooL wrote:

1) How do you set the priority on a message?

No, because there is no such thing as priority in the mail RFC.  Somebody
else can expound on this however.

2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point, signatures
appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be typing at the
top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change this?

So you want your signature to appear in the body of the message, with all
quoted text trailing thereafter?  I thought there was a pref for this,
but maybe not.  You may wish to check out the Text Clippings feature,
which will let you throw arbitrary text wherever you want with a mere
click of the mouse.

3) It appears I cannot view a message's full headers without opening it
first. Really scary if you want to check suspicious e-mail before opening
it. Even Netscape, Mozilla and *Gasp!* Outlook let me look at a message's
source without opening it.

Why is this scary?  If by opening it you mean displaying it in the
window, well, I guess that's true, but who cares?  The only way in which
this poses a problem is that the build-in HTML renderer PM uses is so
flaky that it sometimes tends to crash the application.  Hopefully CTM is
busily integrating WebKit into the next release as I type this.

Unlike Microsoft products, PM won't arbitrarily start executing
attachments or javascript code or anything simply by displaying an e-mail
message.

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca








Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Barbara Needham

Ben Kennedy on 8/8/03 said

On 09 8 2003 at 7:18 pm -0400, Nick Quinn's list address wrote:

But if you open or render the html, PM will resolve the urls. That is a
privacy problem: it can inform a remote server that the mail has arrived
and an attempt to spam is successful!

Good point.

So, disable the download external pictures item in the Preferences. :)

My solution is to keep html off, and open html in my browser should it
happen to be from someone I know. Which is very very rare. Most html ends
up in my spam folder and I just look at it unrendered before sending it
to trash.

Other items to note in evaluation PM: Check all the preferences and the
menus, sometimes things are not where you would think, intuitively, they
should be.

And SpamSieve works well with PM for Spam identification or whatever you
call it.
-- 
Barbara Needham




Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Ben Kennedy

On 09 8 2003 at 7:18 pm -0400, Nick Quinn's list address wrote:

But if you open or render the html, PM will resolve the urls. That is a
privacy problem: it can inform a remote server that the mail has arrived
and an attempt to spam is successful!

Good point.

So, disable the download external pictures item in the Preferences. :)

(Or, delete the message altogether without reading it since HTML in e-
mail is a bloody annoying scourge and a waste of your time)

-ben

-- 
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zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca




Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Nick Quinn's list address

Ben,

Thus spoke Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, 8 August 2003 at 7:12
AM +1000:

Unlike Microsoft products, PM won't arbitrarily start executing
attachments or javascript code or anything simply by displaying an e-mail
message.

But if you open or render the html, PM will resolve the urls. That is a
privacy problem: it can inform a remote server that the mail has arrived
and an attempt to spam is successful!

hf,

Nick Quinn
Sunshine Beach Software in OZ




Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Kjell Olausson

The Internet Deity HaTMooL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[cut]

 Nope. I can tell PM I want to reply at the top of the message, but it
 will still insert the signature at the end. :-/

Well it works for me. Have you set Preferences/Replying/Move Insertion
point by default and added a Default signature so your mail account.

  You may wish to check out the Text Clippings feature,
 which will let you throw arbitrary text wherever you want with a mere
 click of the mouse.

 Sounds great, but what I really want to do is throw a random signature
 quote wherever I whish with the mere click of a mouse. ;-)

Well it works for me. I used random signatures before.

--
Regards, Kjell O
Alingsås, Sweden

Windows Daymares, Why Macs Are Better  Switching to Mac!
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Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Kjell Olausson

The Internet Deity HaTMooL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Howdy folks! I'm giving PM a try and there are three things I'm having
 trouble with and, yes, I've noticed the user manual and FAQ don't tell
 you diddly:

 1) How do you set the priority on a message?

Do you mean priority labels in the File menu?

 2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point, signatures
 appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be typing at the
 top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change this?

Preferences/Replying/Move Insertion point by default

 3) It appears I cannot view a message's full headers without opening it
 first. Really scary if you want to check suspicious e-mail before opening
 it. Even Netscape, Mozilla and *Gasp!* Outlook let me look at a message's
 source without opening it.

Can't see a problem here really. Please explain what's scary?

--
Regards, Kjell O
Alingsås, Sweden

Windows Daymares, Why Macs Are Better  Switching to Mac!
http://www.kio.nu/evangelista/index.html




Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Michael Lewis

The Internet Deity HaTMooL sez:

I have no clue what you just said; RFC? PM doesn't recognize the
Priority header?

The Priority header does not officially exist. Different email clients
use priority in different ways so there are no guarantees the person
you're sending it to will get a priority or the right priority unless
they use the same mail client. (Or use one of the few that do match up.)

This is the same for the Notify of Receipt command which is also, I
believe, not necessarily standard amongst all servers and clients, so one
never knows just how such a thing will be recognized, if it even is.

-- 
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com




Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Wayne Brissette

The Internet Deity HaTMooL [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, August 08,
2003 stated:

I have no clue what you just said; RFC? PM doesn't recognize the
Priority header?

No. What Ben said was in the Internet mail specification (RFC). There is
an option in the specification to use what are called X Headers. This is
what Microsoft and every other company that uses priorities is using. I
did figure out a way of making this happen in PowerMail and forwarded the
message from last year back to the group.

Wayne

-- 
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- Napoleon Bonaparte

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Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread The Internet Deity HaTMooL

Oh and, by the way, thanks for you prompt reply!

Ben Kennedy expounded:

On 08 8 2003 at 5:02 pm -0400, The Internet Deity HaTMooL wrote:

1) How do you set the priority on a message?

No, because there is no such thing as priority in the mail RFC.  Somebody
else can expound on this however.

2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point, signatures
appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be typing at the
top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change this?

So you want your signature to appear in the body of the message, with all
quoted text trailing thereafter?  I thought there was a pref for this,
but maybe not.  You may wish to check out the Text Clippings feature,
which will let you throw arbitrary text wherever you want with a mere
click of the mouse.

3) It appears I cannot view a message's full headers without opening it
first. Really scary if you want to check suspicious e-mail before opening
it. Even Netscape, Mozilla and *Gasp!* Outlook let me look at a message's
source without opening it.

Why is this scary?  If by opening it you mean displaying it in the
window, well, I guess that's true, but who cares?  The only way in which
this poses a problem is that the build-in HTML renderer PM uses is so
flaky that it sometimes tends to crash the application.  Hopefully CTM is
busily integrating WebKit into the next release as I type this.

Unlike Microsoft products, PM won't arbitrarily start executing
attachments or javascript code or anything simply by displaying an e-mail
message.

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca






And this is why I want to be able to pick where this signature appears.

-- HaTMooL

We are Microsoft of Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be...
 *Bzzzrt* General Protection Fault in msborg32.dll.




Fwd: Re: Mail priorites

2003-08-09 Thread Wayne Brissette

Here is an old mail on priorities and how you CAN get them to work.

Wayne

 Begin Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Mail priorites
Date Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:45 PM
From: Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PowerMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Zach Selland [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 20 December 2002 stated:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2002, Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I won't get into the merits or non-merits of priorities, but will suggest
that you contact CTM Development directly and ask them about this feature
request. 

It should be noted, also, that with version 4 there is now an option
(under Accounts) to add user-specified headers to outgoing mail. While
this isn't terribly realistic for setting various priorities for outgoing
mail, perhaps it can be applescripted?

Thanks,
Zach


Hey, now this isn't such a bad idea. AppleScripts to do this aren't the
best idea, but you could make this work. 

To make this work, you would have to do the following:

Make 5 accounts

Account_Highest
Account_High
Account_Normal (or just Account)
Account_Low
Account_Lowest

These accounts would be identical except for one part. In the Account
area in the Advanced: area you would have to put the following:

Set Account_Highest's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 1  (minus the quotes)
Set Account_High's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 2  (minus the quotes)
Set Account_Normal's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 3  (minus the
quotes -- or leave off all together)
Set Account_Low's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 4  (minus the quotes)
Set Account_Lowest's Other Headers to -- X-Priority: 5  (minus the quotes)

Then you would need to setup incomming filters that would do something
based on the priorities (change items color, put into certain folder, etc.)

Now when somebody wanted to send a high priority message, they would
simply use the pull-down to change the account. This wouldn't be any more
difficult than Microsoft has made setting labels in their products.

Wayne

-- 
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Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread The Internet Deity HaTMooL



Ben Kennedy expounded:

On 08 8 2003 at 5:02 pm -0400, The Internet Deity HaTMooL wrote:

1) How do you set the priority on a message?

No, because there is no such thing as priority in the mail RFC.  Somebody
else can expound on this however.


I have no clue what you just said; RFC? PM doesn't recognize the
Priority header?

2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point, signatures
appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be typing at the
top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change this?

So you want your signature to appear in the body of the message, with all
quoted text trailing thereafter? 

Yes, because sometimes, in mail lists, we have pretty fast exchanges that
involve quoting the text -- for reference purposes -- but with the real
action taking place at the top of the e-mail.

 I thought there was a pref for this,
but maybe not. 

Nope. I can tell PM I want to reply at the top of the message, but it
will still insert the signature at the end. :-/

 You may wish to check out the Text Clippings feature,
which will let you throw arbitrary text wherever you want with a mere
click of the mouse.

Sounds great, but what I really want to do is throw a random signature
quote wherever I whish with the mere click of a mouse. ;-)


3) It appears I cannot view a message's full headers without opening it
first. Really scary if you want to check suspicious e-mail before opening
it. Even Netscape, Mozilla and *Gasp!* Outlook let me look at a message's
source without opening it.

Why is this scary?  If by opening it you mean displaying it in the
window, well, I guess that's true, but who cares?  The only way in which
this poses a problem is that the build-in HTML renderer PM uses is so
flaky that it sometimes tends to crash the application.  Hopefully CTM is
busily integrating WebKit into the next release as I type this.

Unlike Microsoft products, PM won't arbitrarily start executing
attachments or javascript code or anything simply by displaying an e-mail
message.


Gnarly. Okay, then I guess I'm okay with this limitation of PM.

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca






-- HaTMooL

Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with
a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are beautiful.

-- Ian S. Mitchell




Re: Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread Ben Kennedy

On 08 8 2003 at 5:02 pm -0400, The Internet Deity HaTMooL wrote:

1) How do you set the priority on a message?

No, because there is no such thing as priority in the mail RFC.  Somebody
else can expound on this however.

2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point, signatures
appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be typing at the
top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change this?

So you want your signature to appear in the body of the message, with all
quoted text trailing thereafter?  I thought there was a pref for this,
but maybe not.  You may wish to check out the Text Clippings feature,
which will let you throw arbitrary text wherever you want with a mere
click of the mouse.

3) It appears I cannot view a message's full headers without opening it
first. Really scary if you want to check suspicious e-mail before opening
it. Even Netscape, Mozilla and *Gasp!* Outlook let me look at a message's
source without opening it.

Why is this scary?  If by opening it you mean displaying it in the
window, well, I guess that's true, but who cares?  The only way in which
this poses a problem is that the build-in HTML renderer PM uses is so
flaky that it sometimes tends to crash the application.  Hopefully CTM is
busily integrating WebKit into the next release as I type this.

Unlike Microsoft products, PM won't arbitrarily start executing
attachments or javascript code or anything simply by displaying an e-mail
message.

-ben

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Evaluating Powermail: 3 Questions

2003-08-09 Thread The Internet Deity HaTMooL

Howdy folks! I'm giving PM a try and there are three things I'm having
trouble with and, yes, I've noticed the user manual and FAQ don't tell
you diddly:

1) How do you set the priority on a message?

2) No matter how I set preferences or use the insertion point, signatures
appear at the END of the e-mail, even if I happen to be typing at the
top, before quoted text. Is there a way to change this?

3) It appears I cannot view a message's full headers without opening it
first. Really scary if you want to check suspicious e-mail before opening
it. Even Netscape, Mozilla and *Gasp!* Outlook let me look at a message's
source without opening it.

Any answers you folks could supply would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

-- HaTMooL

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, 
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, 
The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, 
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.