Re: Feature request: Reply to list command
Shane Stanley wrote: ... in some people's *opinion*. see: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Less than convincing, IMO. I agree. PowerMail makes this very clear and simple to do. An extra button would just clutter the tool bar. RH
Re: Lost scroll mouse support in 5.1
On 22 11 2004 at 2:09 pm -0500, Dr Dave wrote: It's my understanding that Carbon apps are not able to take advantage of OSX multithreading, long filenames, better performance, and other nifty features that OSX has to offer. I'm told that Cocoa apps can do a lot better in this regard. A bunch of Cocoa is simply ObjC wrapper for Carbon routines. There are also things that can be done only with Carbon that have no direct Cocoa analogs. And there is also the factor of planned obsolesce. Carbon apps may not be supported by OSX much longer, and so far, Cocoa is still Apple's favorite. There is no basis for this statement. The Finder continues to be a Carbon application; neither is iTunes a Cocoa-based application. It is a hallmark of a non-developer to proclaim that Cocoa is somehow generally better than Carbon. They are different frameworks, not competing ones. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: Lost scroll mouse support in 5.1
Hi Lane, I'm not a programmer, but I am deeply involved in Macintosh computers. It's my understanding that Carbon apps are not able to take advantage of OSX multithreading, long filenames, better performance, and other nifty features that OSX has to offer. I'm told that Cocoa apps can do a lot better in this regard. Please correct me if this is not the case. -- quoted text--- Carbon apps can run in either OS9(with the Carbon APIs) or OSX, while Cocoa can only run in X. There is an advantage for Cocoa apps though, and that is that they are not dependant on the limitations of OS9 as Carbon has too be. They also often give better performance and integration. For instance, if apple switched to a 64-bit IBM processors, or even to x86, Apple can simply rewrite the Cocoa APIs along with a recompiled OS and all of the sudden all the Cocoa apps you already have get to take advantage of some of the benefits of the new CPU architecture (or they get to work at all, in the case of x86), simply because they used those Cocoa APIs from the beginning. Carbon on the other hand is sort of an OS9 code adapter for OSX and apps built on it could not be so easily adapted to the new architecture, most likly requiring the apps developer to rewrite or at least recompile for the new CPU. Cocoa is just vastly more portable. ---end quoted text--- And there is also the factor of planned obsolesce. Carbon apps may not be supported by OSX much longer, and so far, Cocoa is still Apple's favorite. I notice that my PowerMail will stall for a few seconds when it's checking for mail, and I can't type anything, click a different window to bring it to the foreground, pull a menu until it's finished. If it's going to freeze or crash, this is the time it happens (and it does). In some cases, my PowerMail 5.1 never actually quits, it just stalls forever, after several minutes, i will finally force quit it. But I don't like doing that. I'm checking 17 different mailboxes at a go, and many of them get a lot of mail, so this stall is a lot more noticeable for me than most people may see. But hey, the program is named PowerMail after all. In doing some research to make sure I didn't say something completely wrong I learned more about Carbon versus Cocoa. One of the single best stated referenced articles is this one: http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2004/02/10/70789.aspx Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Lane Roathe's message of 9:04 PM, 11/21/04 on Thu, Nov 18, 2004 Dr Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] may have said: Any chance that PowerMail will be redone in Cocoa? No. There would be few benefits, but a lot of work... As a developer, I'm just curious as to why you'd want PM to be redone in Cocoa?
Re: Bug: doubling of message content
Derry Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Mon, Nov 22, 2004 11:12 said: Interesting. Then it would appear that Outlook for PC has a similar bug? That sounds odd, but I suppose anything is possible :-) And Eudora for that matter. Several eudora users I know have complained of doubled up messages from Mail.app. Well, at least I'm not the only one :) If PM engineering needs example emails, not a day goes by without such a message on the Apple lists. -- First they ignore you, then they attack you, then you win.
Re: Feature request: Reply to list command
Shane Stanley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Mon, Nov 22, 2004 02:10 said: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:14:45 -0500, Sean McBride wrote: Many mailing lists (like this one) set the 'reply-to' header so that messages go back to the list. This is bad ... in some people's *opinion*. Yes, of course... that's why I wrote But nevermind all that!!, which I should have known people would not. :) Te real point of my message was that I think a 'reply to list' button would be valuable. Then when one wants to reply to the list, wether it munges the 'reply to' field or not (list moms will do both, regardless or what anyone wants) one can be sure they just need this one new command, and voila! -- But if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence - Pop Will Eat Itself
Re: Bug: doubling of message content
Steve at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 22/11/04 4:06 pm Interesting. Then it would appear that Outlook for PC has a similar bug? That sounds odd, but I suppose anything is possible :-) And Eudora for that matter. Several eudora users I know have complained of doubled up messages from Mail.app. -- Derry Thompson g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming http://www.gloderworks.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 44 (0) 1562 631430 t + 44 (0) 7976 802487 m
Re: Bug: doubling of message content
Hello Jay, I believe that PowerMail Engineering has taken the blame for this bug. No matter what Mail is doing, PowerMail intends to display email message text only once. I believe that this bug in PowerMail, which in my experience only appears in emails from people using Mail, is already on Jerome's project list, and was actually intended to be resolved by the time 5.1 was released. Interesting. Then it would appear that Outlook for PC has a similar bug? That sounds odd, but I suppose anything is possible :-) Steve
Re: Bug: doubling of message content
On 11/22/04, David declared: Steve Grammont wrote on Mon 22 Nov 2004 at 01:54 -0500 I am guessing this is some sort of bug with Mail, not with PM. It has something to do with its Rich Text option, we think. The odd thing is that it doesn't appear to happen all the time. Note that we've not really tried to narrow this down so take this info with a pinch of salt :-) I'm pretty sure I've asked Mail users to ensure they have their preferences set to 'plain text' and the problem has gone away. There may be a problem with Mail though as it does seem to re-appear now and again. 100% a Mail issue though. I always advise users to get a proper email application! I believe that PowerMail Engineering has taken the blame for this bug. No matter what Mail is doing, PowerMail intends to display email message text only once. I believe that this bug in PowerMail, which in my experience only appears in emails from people using Mail, is already on Jerome's project list, and was actually intended to be resolved by the time 5.1 was released. ---Jay
Re: Email lists with PM?
Am 22.11.2004 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: Hi - I have a number of lists (50-200 names) of people I need to contact sporadically. What are the best options for this kind of list management with PowerMail? I want to avoid putting them all, individually, into the Apple Address Book and then loading them into groups. But why not? This would be the very best way! If you dislike to have the group(s) inside of your addressbook, make-it like this: Build group(s), after this drag'n'drop the group(s)-icon to the desktop or somewhere else - now, all addresses are exported. As soon as you need one of the group, make the same in the reverse way - now all addresses will be re-imported into the addressbook.
Email lists with PM?
Hi - I have a number of lists (50-200 names) of people I need to contact sporadically. What are the best options for this kind of list management with PowerMail? I want to avoid putting them all, individually, into the Apple Address Book and then loading them into groups. When I used Claris Emailer, I used a nice little applescript that read the names in from a text file. After moving to OSX I used Eudora, and kept them in separate address books. Then my University's mail servers somehow started refusing access from Eudora, so I moved on to Mail - and into the affectionate but possessive clutches of the Address Book. PowerMail is just great so far and *feels* like it ought to do exactly what I want but at the moment I can't figure out how. Any suggestions? Best regards, Bob Hughes Phone: 01865 726804 Mobile: 07968 292499 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: doubling of message content
Steve Grammont wrote on Mon 22 Nov 2004 at 01:54 -0500 I am guessing this is some sort of bug with Mail, not with PM. It has something to do with its Rich Text option, we think. The odd thing is that it doesn't appear to happen all the time. Note that we've not really tried to narrow this down so take this info with a pinch of salt :-) I'm pretty sure I've asked Mail users to ensure they have their preferences set to 'plain text' and the problem has gone away. There may be a problem with Mail though as it does seem to re-appear now and again. 100% a Mail issue though. I always advise users to get a proper email application! -- David Gordon
Re: Feature request: Reply to list command
le Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:14:45 -0500, Sean McBride a écrit : Many mailing lists (like this one) set the 'reply-to' header so that messages go back to the list. This is bad, see: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I found this : Reasonable mail programs have two separate reply commands: one that replies directly to the author of a message, and another that replies to the author plus all of the list recipients. Well PM is a 'reasonable mail program' ! You just have to do a long clic on reply button and you will find those two separate commands. Jacques -- Jacques Bossy - ... Qu'est-ce que ça signifie, « apprivoiser » ? - C'est une chose trop oubliée. Cela signifie créer des liens. (Antoine de Saint Exupéry)
Re: Feature request: Reply to list command
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:14:45 -0500, Sean McBride wrote: Many mailing lists (like this one) set the 'reply-to' header so that messages go back to the list. This is bad ... in some people's *opinion*. see: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Less than convincing, IMO. -- Shane Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: doubling of message content
A lot of messages from various people appear 'doubled' in PM 5.1. Its best explained with a picture, which I've put here: I'm pretty sure I've seen this prior to 5.1 and we (i.e. PowerMail users) aren't the only ones. A friend uses Mail on 10.3.x and his messages sometimes come through doubled to me and to another friend using Outlook on a PC. I am guessing this is some sort of bug with Mail, not with PM. It has something to do with its Rich Text option, we think. The odd thing is that it doesn't appear to happen all the time. Note that we've not really tried to narrow this down so take this info with a pinch of salt :-) Steve
Bug: doubling of message content
Hi all, Anyone here on Apple's mailing lists, like Carbon Dev or Cocoa Dev? A lot of messages from various people appear 'doubled' in PM 5.1. Its best explained with a picture, which I've put here: http://www.cam.org/~cwatson/PM5DoubleMessageBody.png Anyone else see this? -- Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac Software Designer Montréal, Québec, Canada
